Detax Canada

[dtugg]

How do people get so crazy?

[Ian Osborne]

Innocent III became Overlord of England in 1213. Pope Boniface VIII was responsible for the incorporation of the English Crown in 1297, and the declaring of 'all humankind' subjects of the Pontiff of Rome in Unam Sanctam of 1302.

Idi Amin declared himself the King of Scotland, and Ducky claimed mayorship of your front lawn. Do/did they hold those positions in reality?

[D'rok]

Let me get your logic straight.

There were some red robed priests of Isis who brought a religion to Rome.

I'm still trying to figure out why priests of Isis would set up a religion that worships Mithras. Wouldn't that piss off Isis?

I guess they're just diabolical that way, what with their red robes and all.

[D'rok]

Hey Eldon,

Jlord kindly pointed this out to you but you ignored it:

"Parliament changed the law by making an amendment to the Bank of Canada Act stating:

25.(6) Notes of the Bank are neither promissory notes nor bills of exchange within the meaning of the Bills of Exchange Act."

Here's a link for you so you can see for yourself:

http://canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-b-2/latest/rsc-1985-c-b-2.html#NOTE_ISSUE__48572

Satisfied? Can we expect you to stop repeating the particular lie that Canadian dollars are promissory notes??

[JLord]

I notice that EldonG has now stopped responding to my posts entirely. Instead preferring to debate the history of the Catholic church. It makes me think he has no answer to my points and would prefer to ignore the facts rather than try to support his position.

I have to wonder if this is a situation like the one described on the detax website where he would believe that the maxim of law "silence constitutes acquiescence" would apply?

[D'rok]

I notice that EldonG has now stopped responding to my posts entirely. Instead preferring to debate the history of the Catholic church. It makes me think he has no answer to my points and would prefer to ignore the facts rather than try to support his position.
Yup.

I have to wonder if this is a situation like the one described on the detax website where he would believe that the maxim of law "silence constitutes acquiescence" would apply?Nah. That only works for freemen/sovereigns/detaxers, etc.

They subscribe to the well known legal maxim illic est talis a res ut a libero prandium, rendered loosely into English as "there is such a thing as a free lunch".

[Macgyver1968]

I thought the Jews controlled the world? :)

All of this FTOL bravo sierra is just using "weasel wording" to try to get out of paying for stuff.

[EldonG]

See what I mean?


For sure! You mean to deceive.

From Online Etymology: Hint: etymonline.com/index.php?l=g&p=15

govern
c.1300, from O.Fr. governer "govern," from L. gubernare "to direct, rule, guide," originally "to steer," from Gk. kybernan "to steer or pilot a ship, direct" (the root of cybernetics). The -k- to -g- sound shift is perhaps via the medium of Etruscan. Related: Governed; governing.


We might as well be speaking Klingon to this fellow.

You couldn't use Klingon, because Klingons always prided themselves in valor, bravery and truth.

[8den]

You couldn't use Klingon, because Klingons always prided themselves in valor, bravery and truth.

Okay we're going to go ahead and add Star Trek to the ever expanding list of stuff you don't understand.

[EldonG]

The meaning of liber:

li·ber (lī′bər, lē′ber′)

noun pl. libri li′·bri′ (lī′brī′, lē′brē′)
a book; esp., a book of public records, as of mortgages or deeds
http://www.yourdictionary.com/liber

Here it is in the Latin used in the original Magna Carta of 1215, the one the Pope voided because it used 'liber homo - (two words)

"20. Liber homo non amercietur pro parvo delicto, nisi secundum modum delicti; et pro magno delicto amercietur secundum magnitudinem delicti, salvo contenemento suo; et mercator eodem modo, salva mercandisa sua; et villanus eodem modo amercietur salvo waynagio suo; si inciderint in misericordiam nostram; et nulla predictarum misericordiarum ponatur, nisi per sacramentum proborum hominum de visneto.

Hint: magnacartaplus.org/magnacarta/latin.htm#latin-text

Now, here is an excerpt of an Oath of A Freeman in the Colony of Massassachusetts, 1630:

"The Oath of a FREEMAN

I, A B, etc., being, by the Almighty's most wise disposition, become a member of this body (body politic/incorporated body), consisting of the Governor, Deputy Governor, Assistants and a commonalty of the Massachusetts in New England, do freely and sincerely acknowledge that I am justly and lawfully subject to the government of the same, and do accordingly submit my person and estate to be protected, ordered, and governed by the laws and constitutions thereof, and do faithfully promise to be from time to time obedient and conformable thereunto, and to the authority of the said Governor and Assistants and their successors, and to all such laws, orders, sentences, and decrees as shall be lawfully made and published by them or their successors; and I will always endeavor (as in duty I am bound) to advance the peace and welfare of this body or commonwealth to my utmost skill and ability; and I will, to my best power and means, seek to divert and prevent whatsoever may tend to the ruin or damage thereof, or of any the said Governor, Deputy Governor, or Assistants, or any of them or their successors, and will give speedy notice to them, or some of them, of any sedition, violence, treachery, or other hurt or evil which I shall know, hear, or vehemently suspect to be plotted or intended against the said commonwealth, or the said government established; and I will not at any time suffer or give consent to any counsel or attempt that shall be done, given, or attempted for the impeachment of the said government, or making any change alteration of the same, contrary to the laws and ordinances thereof, but shall do my utmost endeavor to discover, oppose, and hinder all and every such counsel and attempt. So help me God. Unquote

Does that sound like a free will man making himself a freeman - subject to the corporate body politic? A subjet man is NOT a free will man.

I provide FACTS. You give your weak and totally 'dis-information' opinion.

[twinstead]

I provide FACTS. You give your weak and totally 'dis-information' opinion.

How is pointing out the overwhelmingly common usage for a word or phrase, that you ignore in order to provide your own arbitrary meaning to, dis-information?

And how is the transparent thing you are attempting "facts"? You can't define words to suit your purposes. USAGE defines words. Anybody who studies the history of languages knows that the origin of words and phrases can go through multiple changes in the course of history. A word means what it means because the vast majority of people use it for that purpose. Over the course of time that meaning can actually change. Isn't etymology delightful?

so, you are purposefully either using the meaning of a word or phrase that has no connection with the common usage, or simply making stuff up as you go along.

Jesus, If I can see it, ANYBODY can.

[carlitos]

It is already devolving with big text, bold text, and ALL CAPS. The end is nigh.

[EldonG]

Thus, liber homo -- a man at which a judge should throw the book.

Nice try - mister dis-info.

From GOOGLE Latin to English translator:

Liber = Translations: free, child, book, offspring, independent, unrestricted

You see Section 20 of the Magna Carta above. Are you suggesting that 'liber homo', where it is obvious that 'homo' is the Latin term for 'man', that the phrase 'liber homo' meant: child man, book man, or offspring man?

Independent man, or unrestricted man would be appropriate.

[EldonG]

... do you have any actual evidence indicating the Vatican retains any control over any parts of the world besides its own city-state? Because without some type of framework in place to make decisions, pass those decisions on to subordinates, and some type of force to enforce the decisions with, the only thing that random comments from officials seven centuries ago proves is that people seven centuries ago were kind of arrogant.

Well, if you were truly interested, you would do some of your own research. Obviously, the vast majority of the posters on this thread obviously don't wish to believe my researched findings, so do your own.

You can try some of these websites by other researchers, unless you choose to 'debunk' everything that is on a website on the internet.

I cannot yet post full links, so you will have to improvise:

wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_%26_Jesuits

taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons-additional.html

z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=10&st=0

newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff329.htm

one-evil.org/acts_holocaust/acts_vatican_holocaust.htm

emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

[EldonG]

Why do you think Canada is an "imaginary" ship at sea. It's a real ship actually floating on the sea.

Whatever!

[EldonG]

Let me get your logic straight.
There were some red robed priests of Isis who brought a religion to Rome.
When they were ordered by Constantine to accept Christianity, they re-named the Savior of the new religion "Iesus," which really meant "Id est Sus," or "he is a pig." Ha ha, funny guys. Byzantium's own Beavis and Butthead.
All the followers of this new religion didn't notice the nickname, falsely assuming it sounded like "Yeshua" or the Greek equivalent.


As for "slave control," perhaps you could share some evidence for this?


Would you like to present evidence for any of this?


At the risk of repeating myself, perhaps you could post evidence or examples of me "calling you names" and "making derogatory comments" about you?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

If you choose to be 'deaf, dumb and blind', I'm afraid I cannot help you 'hear, understand or see. If, what I say bothers you, then, do your own research.

I just provide some source material for anyone who wishes to research to use as 'key words and phrases' for GOOGLE searches.

As with any good teacher, I can most effectively teach you the subject by giving you keys, and pointing you to sources where you do your own research and gaining of actual experience. Otherwise, if I, or any teacher tells you something, it just goes into your short term memory bank, and gains you nothing.

[EldonG]

Hey Eldon,

Jlord kindly pointed this out to you but you ignored it:

Here's a link for you so you can see for yourself:

http://canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-b-2/latest/rsc-1985-c-b-2.html#NOTE_ISSUE__48572

Satisfied? Can we expect you to stop repeating the particular lie that Canadian dollars are promissory notes??

So??? The Bills of Exchange Act of Canada has not been otherwise modified, making promissory notes 'negotiable instruments' as per the Financial Administration Act of Canada.

The Bills of Exchange Act was enacted or revised in the early 1930s to allow 'settlement' of debt because there was no real asset value money to 'pay' a debt, thus preventing a creditor from sueing or confiscating property because they did not get an exchange of a real asset for an asset sold. So, if Parliament says that Canadian currency is no longer a bill of exchange, then that means that creditors are getting truly ripped off, and currency is purely a con game.

The revision just says that Canadian Currency is now pure Monopoly Money, and is a total fraud upon the Canadian people.

[EldonG]

How do people get so crazy?

Your question. You answer it.

Do not change another member's post without making it very clear what you have changed.

[EldonG]

I notice that EldonG has now stopped responding to my posts entirely. Instead preferring to debate the history of the Catholic church. It makes me think he has no answer to my points and would prefer to ignore the facts rather than try to support his position.

I have to wonder if this is a situation like the one described on the detax website where he would believe that the maxim of law "silence constitutes acquiescence" would apply?

What is the point of attempting to discuss such matters with a traitor and liar? All the evidence and proof in the world would not change your loyalty to your primary oath to the Lawyers Guild ( The BAR) of the City of London, and thus the Pontiff's Holy Roman Empire evil dictatoprship.

[carlitos]

If you choose to be 'deaf, dumb and blind', I'm afraid I cannot help you 'hear, understand or see. If, what I say bothers you, then, do your own research.

I just provide some source material for anyone who wishes to research to use as 'key words and phrases' for GOOGLE searches.

As with any good teacher, I can most effectively teach you the subject by giving you keys, and pointing you to sources where you do your own research and gaining of actual experience. Otherwise, if I, or any teacher tells you something, it just goes into your short term memory bank, and gains you nothing.

If you think that this refutes anything I posted, you are mistaken. What a bizarre response.

[EldonG]

I thought the Jews controlled the world? :)

All of this FTOL bravo sierra is just using "weasel wording" to try to get out of paying for stuff.

How can you 'pay for stuff' when there is no money to PAY for stuff?

Taxes are just the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of mankind, and what is taken is the phoney Monopoly money that you ignorantly accept as exchange for your labour. Do you not realize that 'life' = 'time', and 'labour = time'? Do the math - 'labour = life'!

When they confiscate your fruits of your labour, they are confiscating your life.
And, it may not be so bad IF income taxes actually paid for something, but all that is done with declared income tax is that it is deleted from existence.

The Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of NY, the voting shares owner of the Bank of Canada, said in a speech to the American Bar assn. in 1946, that the purpose of the income tax was: "As an instrument of fiscal policy to help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar;" meaning to destroy $$ in circulation so as to enhance the value of newly created currency coming into existence by bank creation out of nothing. Like the pig with a bulldog mouth and a j-bird rectum - too much food going in will cause the pig to blow up (hyper-inflation).

That problem could be completely rectified without stealing mankinds labour/life by using asset value money/currency.

[EldonG]

If you think that this refutes anything I posted, you are mistaken. What a bizzare response.

The words of someone who is deaf, dumb and blind.

[carlitos]

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[EldonG]

How is pointing out the overwhelmingly common usage for a word or phrase, that you ignore in order to provide your own arbitrary meaning to, dis-information?

'Common usage' is NOT 'legal usage'. That is why politicians and lawyers, usually one and the same, use 'code'. What does 'code' mean? Does it not mean 'secret or hidden meaning'? One of the major means of deception is the convincing of the people that legal/code words and phrases are used in a 'common usage' meaning. A good example of this is 'person'. That term is commonly used to mean a human creature, but in legal terms/code, it means a subservient member of a corporate body, or a crewmember on a ship, who is subservient to the supreme command of the captain of the ship. The term 'person' derives from the Greek/Roman role of an actor - a fictional role.

And how is the transparent thing you are attempting "facts"? You can't define words to suit your purposes. USAGE defines words. Anybody who studies the history of languages knows that the origin of words and phrases can go through multiple changes in the course of history. A word means what it means because the vast majority of people use it for that purpose. Over the course of time that meaning can actually change. Isn't etymology delightful?

This just shows me, and readers, that you have accepted the deceit, as stated above.

so, you are purposefully either using the meaning of a word or phrase that has no connection with the common usage, or simply making stuff up as you go along.

Guess you ignore authorities - oh well... Whatever.


Jesus, If I can see it, ANYBODY can.

Hmm.. you are calling on the PIG, the deity of the Vatican to actually see? You'd better make an appointment with the eye doctor.

[EldonG]

deleted response to insult

Well, guess you have no decent responses, so that is the only answer you have - duck!

It is amazing how a would be bully cowers when you confront him with truth.

[Horatius]

For sure! You mean to deceive.




I mean to deceive? Let's look at what you said:


Those who doubt my stating that all corporate bodies are 'make believe ships at sea' should be aware that 'to govern' means to 'steer, direct or administer a ship at sea. It has nothing to do with a land based world. A land based world has 'servants' to do what individuals are incapable of doing on their own.


I post the definition of the verb "to govern", that is, what the word means, and you post this:



From Online Etymology: Hint: etymonline.com/index.php?l=g&p=15

govern
c.1300, from O.Fr. governer "govern," from L. gubernare "to direct, rule, guide," originally "to steer," from Gk. kybernan "to steer or pilot a ship, direct" (the root of cybernetics). The -k- to -g- sound shift is perhaps via the medium of Etruscan. Related: Governed; governing.




So apparently, in your world, along with treaties that exist for all time and cannot be abrogated by any action of any party, we are also not allowed to ever alter the meaning of any word, even if we use a different pronunciation in a different language altogether.


So who is it who seeks to deceive here?

[Redtail]

How can you 'pay for stuff' when there is no money to PAY for stuff?

Taxes are just the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of mankind, and what is taken is the phoney Monopoly money that you ignorantly accept as exchange for your labour. Do you not realize that 'life' = 'time', and 'labour = time'? Do the math - 'labour = life'!

When they confiscate your fruits of your labour, they are confiscating your life.
And, it may not be so bad IF income taxes actually paid for something, but all that is done with declared income tax is that it is deleted from existence.

The Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of NY, the voting shares owner of the Bank of Canada, said in a speech to the American Bar assn. in 1946, that the purpose of the income tax was: "As an instrument of fiscal policy to help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar;" meaning to destroy $$ in circulation so as to enhance the value of newly created currency coming into existence by bank creation out of nothing. Like the pig with a bulldog mouth and a j-bird rectum - too much food going in will cause the pig to blow up (hyper-inflation).

That problem could be completely rectified without stealing mankinds labour/life by using asset value money/currency.... No, taxes pages my salary at several points in my life.

[dudalb]

It wasn't 'Catholics' who made such a decision. It was the Red Robed Priesthood of Isis. That priesthood had brough a conglamorate religion with them to Rome, when they established Rome around 300 BC, called Mythraism. That priesthood has always used 'religion' to implement their true trinity - Force, Fear and False Hope. Mithraism had served them well for this purpose, but when Emperor Constantine (as Pontifex Maximus, ordered the Priesthood to accept Christianity, they had to do some major modifications the Christianity of the first 3 centuries AD they were saddled with, so as to serve their 'slave control' mechanisms as part of the corporate structure for their society that they continued from Egypt, through Babylon and on into Rome.

The Red Robed Priesthood has always been primarly 'priest/kings' where secular rule dominated their existence. Religion was, and always has been a tool to control the subject people under their control.

We can add religion in The Roman Empire to the growing list of topics that EldonG knows nothing about.
The Isis Cult and Mithraism had little in common,and in fact competed with each other for followers.
And it is sort of contradictory for somebody who talks so much about "Creator God" to knock religon like that.

[EldonG]

I mean to deceive? Let's look at what you said:

I post the definition of the verb "to govern", that is, what the word means, and you post this:

I did notice that you posted the deceptive definition meant for the stupid/ dumbed down peons. However, I posted the original and still quite adequate and meaningful definition of the term 'govern' as meaning to steer or pilot a ship (or to administer a make-believe ship called a body politic.


So apparently, in your world, along with treaties that exist for all time and cannot be abrogated by any action of any party, we are also not allowed to ever alter the meaning of any word, even if we use a different pronunciation in a different language altogether.

So who is it who seeks to deceive here?

You can alter all you wish, but when it comes to a man's rights being stolen by your contrived (common) usage, then one must stick to the original meaning. The 'mens rea' is the prime factor in trying to replace legal terminology with common usage, as lying and deceitful judges and lawyers are so often want to do.

[EldonG]

... No, taxes pages my salary at several points in my life.

Removed breach of Rule 12 and Rule 0

[drkitten]

However, I posted the original and still quite adequate and meaningful definition of the term 'govern' as meaning to steer or pilot a ship

No, you didn't. You posted the etymology of a related word in Ancient Greek. You might have gotten a clue about the fact that it was an etymology, not a definition, by the fact that it was labelled as an etymology.

You didn't post any definitions at all.

In case you hadn't noticed, people here tend to speak and write English. Except for "freeman" tax protesters, who can usually at best achieve gibberish.

[EldonG]

We can add religion in The Roman Empire to the growing list of topics that EldonG knows nothing about.
The Isis Cult and Mithraism had little in common,and in fact competed with each other for followers.
And it is sort of contradictory for somebody who talks so much about "Creator God" to knock religon like that.

I'll forgive your total ignorance of the subject matter, but around 350 AD, when ordered by Emperor Constantine to convert to Christianity, Mythraism ceased to exist, except maybe in a few holdout pockets of the Roman Empire.

If Creator God had anything to do with either the creation of Mythraism or Christianity, then that only proves that Creator God is/was a damned fool.

[EldonG]

No, you didn't. You posted the etymology of a related word in Ancient Greek. You might have gotten a clue about the fact that it was an etymology, not a definition, by the fact that it was labelled as an etymology.

You didn't post any definitions at all.

In case you hadn't noticed, people here tend to speak and write English. Except for "freeman" tax protesters, who can usually at best achieve gibberish.

Where in Hell do you think most words and terms come from in the English language? - Latin, Greek, German and French.

And, what do you think (if you think at all) 'etymology' means?

You are very weak in your debunking powers.

Removed breach of Rule 12 and Rule 0.

[Horatius]

Where in Hell do you think most words and terms come from in the English language? - Latin, Greek, German and French.

And, what do you think (if you think at all) 'etymology' means?



I'd post a definition, but I'm afraid of what that might trigger.


You are very weak in your debunking powers. Removed quote of modded content.

....and I'll just leave this bit here for the mods to edit after I report it......

[EldonG]

I'd post a definition, but I'm afraid of what that might trigger.






....and I'll just leave this bit here for the mods to edit after I report it......

Removed breach of Rule 0 and Rule 12.

[Horatius]

Removed quoted modded content.



Yes, violate both the rules of the forum that you agreed to, and common decency, when people point out your nonsense.

[drkitten]

Where in Hell do you think most words and terms come from in the English language?

They come from other words.


And, what do you think (if you think at all) 'etymology' means?

The study of the history and origins of words, as opposed to lexicography and/or semantics, which is the study of the meanings of words.

As some simple examples, can men be "hysterical"? Can women in Manhattan be "lesbians"? Is a "leopard" a crossbreed between a panther and a lion? Are "praying mantises" religous? Does a "pineapple" grow on a tree? How many feet does a "centipede" have?

When you understand how the common house centipedes (Scutigera coleoptrato) can have 15 pairs of feet (30 in all), you'll understand how etymology doesn't control meaning.

[carlitos]

EldonG, please take a gander at the Membership Agreement. All the insults are going to accomplish is to get you suspended or something. If you'd like to keep posting here, just keep it civil. This shouldn't be too hard.

Anyway, while words came into English from Greek or whatever, words mean, in 2010, what they mean. Take the words "gay" or "faggot" for instance. In North America in the year 2010 those don't mean "happy" or "bundle of sticks." There is no secret code in legal language. "Govern" does not refer to a ship. A person is a person. Heck, people are people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGlTR71FEk)!

[Alareth]

I thought the Jews controlled the world? :)

Ooooo!!! Oooooo!!! I can answer this one!

You see the act of going to Pontius Pilate by the Jewish elders to resolve their little Jesus problem, caused the Jews to cede sovereignty to Rome and become forever subservient to the Catholic Church which didn't exist yet.

They are just another set of pawns in the Pope's grand game.

The worst part is I didn't make that up, it came from a Catholic CT website I read a few years ago.

[D'rok]

So??? The Bills of Exchange Act of Canada has not been otherwise modified, making promissory notes 'negotiable instruments' as per the Financial Administration Act of Canada.

The Bills of Exchange Act was enacted or revised in the early 1930s to allow 'settlement' of debt because there was no real asset value money to 'pay' a debt, thus preventing a creditor from sueing or confiscating property because they did not get an exchange of a real asset for an asset sold. So, if Parliament says that Canadian currency is no longer a bill of exchange, then that means that creditors are getting truly ripped off, and currency is purely a con game.

The revision just says that Canadian Currency is now pure Monopoly Money, and is a total fraud upon the Canadian people.Natch. Invincible delusion. Facts that directly counter your beliefs are in fact evidence for them.

Get help.

[Aitch]

Anyway, while words came into English from Greek or whatever, words mean, in 2010, what they mean. Take the words "gay" or "faggot" for instance. In North America in the year 2010 those don't mean "happy" or "bundle of sticks." There is no secret code in legal language. "Govern" does not refer to a ship. A person is a person. Heck, people are people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGlTR71FEk)!

Which causes confusion/amusement to US tourists when they see 'Faggots in Gravy' (http://wackyiraqi.com/wtf/6_faggots.jpg) for sale in UK supermarkets. ;)

[BaaBaa]

I think 'sticks in gravy' pretty much says it all about English cookery. Although I expect it can be blamed on Benedict VIII, yeah?

Also, it's "MITHRA", not "Mythra".

[uke2se]

Eldon, as I said I am very interested in your way of dodging taxes. Could you provide a real world example of where it works?

[Ian Osborne]

You'll have to wait three days. He's been suspended. Though of course, in his world, the suspension only applies to the entity called EldonG, and he's not restricted by names, governments, the Roman Catholic church or reality.

[dudalb]

You'll have to wait three days. He's been suspended. Though of course, in his world, the suspension only applies to the entity called EldonG, and he's not restricted by names, governments, the Roman Catholic church or reality.

Why am I not shocked at EldonG being suspended?
His career at JREF is not going to be long and will not end well.....

[Alareth]

Which causes confusion/amusement to US tourists when they see 'Faggots in Gravy' (http://wackyiraqi.com/wtf/6_faggots.jpg) for sale in UK supermarkets. ;)

Back in the 80's I had a dive instructor from the UK. One morning he walks into the dive shop and says, "I'm feeling a bit queer, I could really use a fag."

After we were able to pull ourselves up off the floor where we were rolling around laughing we sat him down and had a discussion of US vs UK slang.

[drkitten]

You'll have to wait three days. He's been suspended. Though of course, in his world, the suspension only applies to the entity called EldonG, and he's not restricted by names, governments, the Roman Catholic church or reality.

Shrug. Won't be the first case of suicide by mod, won't be the last.

I'm sure this is just proof that Randi is a crypto-Jesuit who only pretends to be one of the world's most outspoken atheists.....

[lopeyschools]

Okay, while he is gone...

How much is the Pope paying you guys? After my shill taxes I'm barely scraping by.

:D

[BaaBaa]

All I've gotten so far is a crappy "trainee" name tag and some snazzy red socks.

[JLord]

I'm sorry to hear that EldonG has been banned for three days. I will reply now regardless in hopes that EldonG will respond after three days when he is able to post again.

So??? The Bills of Exchange Act of Canada has not been otherwise modified, making promissory notes 'negotiable instruments' as per the Financial Administration Act of Canada.


That doesn't mean that promissory notes are money. Obviously promissory notes are negotiable instruments by definition, and they always have been.

The Bills of Exchange Act was enacted or revised in the early 1930s to allow 'settlement' of debt because there was no real asset value money to 'pay' a debt,

No, the act has never been inacted or revised for this reason.

thus preventing a creditor from sueing or confiscating property because they did not get an exchange of a real asset for an asset sold.

No. Switching to a fiat currency at no point allowed anyone to make this argument. If you think that anyone ever did make this argument succesfully feel free to point us to the decision.

So, if Parliament says that Canadian currency is no longer a bill of exchange, then that means that creditors are getting truly ripped off, and currency is purely a con game.

Yes, it is a fiat currency and I can understand why some poeple have trouble with the concept. But money has value because the vast majority of people value it highly. This is the same for anything when you break it down. Gold only has value because the vast majority of people value it. Gold has some intrinsic value and fiat currency doesn't, but at the end of the day both are highly valued by the vast majority of people. Nobody is getting ripped off.

If a person for some reason doesn't value money and thinks getting paid in money is a "rip off" they are free to negotiate payment in any form they like. If you can find someone willing to pay you for your labour in chickens, or gold, or magic beans rather than money there is nothing preventing you from entering into this kind of arrangement.

The revision just says that Canadian Currency is now pure Monopoly Money, and is a total fraud upon the Canadian people

It isn't a fraud because everyone knows we have a fiat currency. Most people understand what this means and are still happy to accept money as payment for their services. This isn't any kind of secret, and as I pointed out, people are not forced to accept money if they can make other arrangements. So the situation clearly doesn't come close to anything amounting to fraud.

What is the point of attempting to discuss such matters with a traitor and liar?

I guess calling me a traitor is somewhat subjective and you are entitled to your opinion. But to call me a liar it would make sense to first point out something I have said that you believe is a lie. You haven't really responded to any of my points and I believe that I can provide evidence and reaons to back up what I have said here. So I would suggest that you should either point out what you consider to be a lie or else retract your statement.

All the evidence and proof in the world would not change your loyalty to your primary oath to the Lawyers Guild ( The BAR) of the City of London, and thus the Pontiff's Holy Roman Empire evil dictatoprship.

First of all, the fact that lawyers swear an oath to uphold the law does not mean that pledged any loyalty to the government above their clients. I am not a government employee and I regularly assist individuals who are in disputes with the government. I have no loyalty to the pope or to city of London because obviously no lawyer's oath has anything to do with these entities. It is an oath to uphold principles of fairness and to follow the law. Not an oath to follow or be loyal to any specific entity.

Also, there is not a "Lawyers Guild" but lawyers in Canada are members of the law society in their respective provinces. However being a member does not require anyone to swear any kind of oath of loyalty to the organization. The law society is responsible for setting the requirements for education, training, and qualifications that someone must complete and maintain in order to become or remain a lawyer. The law society obviously does not prevent someone from being swayed by good arguments even if they run counter to best interests of the law society (not that any of your arguments have anything to do with the law society even if I did swear some kind of oath to them). There is also nothing that prevents a lawyer from representing clients in disputes with the law society, something which happens regularly.

A good example of this is 'person'. That term is commonly used to mean a human creature, but in legal terms/code, it means a subservient member of a corporate body, or a crewmember on a ship, who is subservient to the supreme command of the captain of the ship.

This is not the case. There are countless numbers of statutes that define "preson." None of which define it in the manner you suggest. There are also many cases where the courts have considered the legal definition of person (many where people have tried to make the same type of argument you are making here). Again, none of these decision have agreed with your definition.

So if you are the only one saying that a certian definition is the right one, I think by default yu are wrong regardless of what type of linguistic argument you make. Reality has simply trumped whatever linguistic/historical/legal argument you think you have.

[lopeyschools]

All I've gotten so far is a crappy "trainee" name tag and some snazzy red socks.

Are they red robed priests of Isis socks?

[lionking]

Are they reb robed priests of Isis socks?
If a trainee gets that I'm complaining. It took me years. ;)

[patchbunny]

Back in the 80's I had a dive instructor from the UK. One morning he walks into the dive shop and says, "I'm feeling a bit queer, I could really use a fag."

After we were able to pull ourselves up off the floor where we were rolling around laughing we sat him down and had a discussion of US vs UK slang.

And Brits get revenge when they hears Yanks talk about stuffing our cameras back into our fanny packs. :)

[BaaBaa]

If a trainee gets that I'm complaining. It took me years. ;)


My uncle Dave got me in: I'm a legacy.

[BaaBaa]

Are they red robed priests of Isis socks?


Hugo Boss, actually.

[TjW]

Thus, liber homo -- a man at which a judge should throw the book.

Nice try - mister dis-info.

From GOOGLE Latin to English translator:

Liber = Translations: free, child, book, offspring, independent, unrestricted

You see Section 20 of the Magna Carta above. Are you suggesting that 'liber homo', where it is obvious that 'homo' is the Latin term for 'man', that the phrase 'liber homo' meant: child man, book man, or offspring man?

Independent man, or unrestricted man would be appropriate.

Man without a sense of humor would be even more so.

[EldonG]

I'm sorry to hear that EldonG has been banned for three days. I will reply now regardless in hopes that EldonG will respond after three days when he is able to post again.

Originally Posted by EldonG
So??? The Bills of Exchange Act of Canada has not been otherwise modified, making promissory notes 'negotiable instruments' as per the Financial Administration Act of Canada.

[QUOTE=JLord;6289202]That doesn't mean that promissory notes are money. Obviously promissory notes are negotiable instruments by definition, and they always have been.

Well, if you look at the history of paper money, it was always 'promissory notes' to pay the real asset valued money, and the assets have historically in the caucasian world, gold or silver, and a measure thereof, as depicted in the US Coinage Act of 1793. When currency is not a promissory note, it is a pure 'con' game - with the term 'to con' meaning to defraud by deceit. Thus, you say that Canadian currency is valued by the CON-fidence of the Canadian people.

Originally Posted by EldonG
The Bills of Exchange Act was enacted or revised in the early 1930s to allow 'settlement' of debt because there was no real asset value money to 'pay' a debt,

No, the act has never been inacted or revised for this reason.

If not, then What is the reason? Just making the statement proves nothing, especially when the one making the unsupported statement is representing the Mickey Mouse fiction world that is corporate Canada, and the corporate Crown of the City of London.

Originally Posted by EldonG
thus preventing a creditor from sueing or confiscating property because they did not get an exchange of a real asset for an asset sold.

No. Switching to a fiat currency at no point allowed anyone to make this argument. If you think that anyone ever did make this argument succesfully feel free to point us to the decision.

Who would make or issue such a decision? A black robed priest? They are just administrative officers of the make-believe ship at sea called Canada, with their allegiance pledged to the Crown of the City of London. Canada has always, since claimed by the British, been a vassal colony of the City of London through the British Board of Trade (run out of the City of London). Remember, the Monarch and Lords of GB have been vassals of the Pontiff since 1213, so calling something British and headed by a Lord Carnarvon in the 1800s. And, I am not refering to the Roman Catholic Church that became a sub-corporation long after the establishment of the secular rule by the Red Robed Priesthood of Isis in what is now Italy.

Originally Posted by EldonG
So, if Parliament says that Canadian currency is no longer a bill of exchange, then that means that creditors are getting truly ripped off, and currency is purely a con game.


Yes, it is a fiat currency and I can understand why some poeple have trouble with the concept. But money has value because the vast majority of people value it highly. This is the same for anything when you break it down. Gold only has value because the vast majority of people value it. Gold has some intrinsic value and fiat currency doesn't, but at the end of the day both are highly valued by the vast majority of people. Nobody is getting ripped off.

So? What is fiat currency but a tool to control slaves and used to harvest the fruits of the labour of the slaves by both taxation harvesting and by 'watering down the soup' inflation, so that even savings by the peons is stripped from them. And, don't tell me that such has not been the case with Candian funny money. In the late 1950s and early 1960s, $10,000 would get one a decent 1,000 sq foot house. Now, one would be looking at $400,000 for the same house. In those days, a $100,000 nest egg was plenty as a retirement account. Now $5,000,000 would be needed to maintain the same standard of living for the senior years. Fortunately, the USA is being forced into going back to the gold standard, and when they do, Canada will be obliged to follow suit.

If a person for some reason doesn't value money and thinks getting paid in money is a "rip off" they are free to negotiate payment in any form they like. If you can find someone willing to pay you for your labour in chickens, or gold, or magic beans rather than money there is nothing preventing you from entering into this kind of arrangement.

Not if CRA finds out, and assesses some inflated value for the magic beans.


Originally Posted by EldonG
The revision just says that Canadian Currency is now pure Monopoly Money, and is a total fraud upon the Canadian people


It isn't a fraud because everyone knows we have a fiat currency. Most people understand what this means and are still happy to accept money as payment for their services. This isn't any kind of secret, and as I pointed out, people are not forced to accept money if they can make other arrangements. So the situation clearly doesn't come close to anything amounting to fraud.

Everybody knows???? Since when. And, if all one gets in rexchange for their labour/time/life is this con job called fiat money, and then CRA takes it from them because CRA sees them as slaves belonging to the corporate Crown, and subject to the harvesting of the fruits of their labour, may I suggest that the fraud is all too evident.

Originally Posted by EldonG
All the evidence and proof in the world would not change your loyalty to your primary oath to the Lawyers Guild ( The BAR) of the City of London, and thus the Pontiff's Holy Roman Empire evil dictatoprship.

First of all, the fact that lawyers swear an oath to uphold the law does not mean that pledged any loyalty to the government above their clients.

If the law meant what the term is supposed to mean, then you would be dedicated to 'doing no harm, and helping others who have suffered harm. Legal is NOT law, it is statutory rules - rules of a corporate body, a make believe ship at sea with a captain, officers, and slave crewmembers subservient to the captain and officers.


I am not a government employee and I regularly assist individuals who are in disputes with the government. I have no loyalty to the pope or to city of London because obviously no lawyer's oath has anything to do with these entities. It is an oath to uphold principles of fairness and to follow the law. Not an oath to follow or be loyal to any specific entity.

If you are an 'officer of the corporate Crown', then your first loyalty is to that corporation. Follow what law? The rules made by the 'policy makers' (politicians) of the corporate Parliament of corporate Provincial legislatures? Who owns those corporate bodies. The judge in the People of Wetaskiwin v. Milton Littlechild MP certainly pointed out that, once an MP is sworn in as an officer of Parliament, they were not beholden to the people who voted for that MP.

Also, there is not a "Lawyers Guild" but lawyers in Canada are members of the law society in their respective provinces. However being a member does not require anyone to swear any kind of oath of loyalty to the organization.

Maybe in fact, but not in practise. I have met lawyers who were disBARred for defending someone against Crown policy.

The law society is responsible for setting the requirements for education, training, and qualifications that someone must complete and maintain in order to become or remain a lawyer. The law society obviously does not prevent someone from being swayed by good arguments even if they run counter to best interests of the law society (not that any of your arguments have anything to do with the law society even if I did swear some kind of oath to them). There is also nothing that prevents a lawyer from representing clients in disputes with the law society, something which happens regularly.

As long as their defense tactic is ineffective, I presume.

Originally Posted by EldonG
A good example of this is 'person'. That term is commonly used to mean a human creature, but in legal terms/code, it means a subservient member of a corporate body, or a crewmember on a ship, who is subservient to the supreme command of the captain of the ship.

This is not the case. There are countless numbers of statutes that define "preson." None of which define it in the manner you suggest. There are also many cases where the courts have considered the legal definition of person (many where people have tried to make the same type of argument you are making here). Again, none of these decision have agreed with your definition.

Let's have a few quotes that shows that 'person' means an adult free will man. In case you weren't aware, an adult man(male or female) can only have the status of 'free will', or 'subservient/slave status' while on Planet Earth. Describing a man as an 'individual', 'married', 'single','husband' or 'wife', does not address the issue of status. If a man can be punished for disobeying a rule where there is no victim, or have his life/time/labour confiscated without his voluntary approval, that certainly signifies a status of subservience to another. And, within every statute by any level of Government that deals with mankind, and rules to be followed, and prohibitions to be observed upon penalty of punishment, the term 'person' is used. Thus, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.... Quo Warranto?

So if you are the only one saying that a certian definition is the right one, I think by default you are wrong regardless of what type of linguistic argument you make. Reality has simply trumped whatever linguistic/historical/legal argument you think you have.

Trumped? By whom? A defender of the Mickey Mouse fiction world that is Government and corporate bodies politic?

[EldonG]

Eldon, as I said I am very interested in your way of dodging taxes. Could you provide a real world example of where it works?

Well, first off, I don't offer a way to 'dodge taxes'. One doesn't have to submit to the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of an owned slave, unless you desire to be a slave, where all your labour and fruits of your labour belong to a foreign corporate body. If that is the case, then have at it.

I use my filing system in 2003 for the year 2001 in filing with the IRS for my pension payout from the airline for which I worked for 19 years. I am Canadian, but have a USA SSN#. If I had filed their way, I would likely have owed 1/2 Mil. $$. Using my method, I paid the IRS nothing.

Also, the damage control goon cite the 'myths' posted by CRA and the 'false tax arguments, posted on the net by the IRS. Neither mention anything in relation to my system of filing. And, absolutely nobody has been hauled into court for using my method, at least that I know about, anyway.

Since my system is, and always has been free and available on the internet, I have no idea how many use it. And, further, I really don't care. It is information I post as a service and a ministry to my fellow man - unlike a lawyer, who is a mercinary predator upon those who break, and are charged with the myriad of rules that no man could possibly know of or about, or, in many cases accept.

[LightinDarkness]

Well, first off, I don't offer a way to 'dodge taxes'. One doesn't have to submit to the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of an owned slave, unless you desire to be a slave, where all your labour and fruits of your labour belong to a foreign corporate body. If that is the case, then have at it.

I use my filing system in 2003 for the year 2001 in filing with the IRS for my pension payout from the airline for which I worked for 19 years. I am Canadian, but have a USA SSN#. If I had filed their way, I would likely have owed 1/2 Mil. $$. Using my method, I paid the IRS nothing.

Also, the damage control goon cite the 'myths' posted by CRA and the 'false tax arguments, posted on the net by the IRS. Neither mention anything in relation to my system of filing. And, absolutely nobody has been hauled into court for using my method, at least that I know about, anyway.

Since my system is, and always has been free and available on the internet, I have no idea how many use it. And, further, I really don't care. It is information I post as a service and a ministry to my fellow man - unlike a lawyer, who is a mercinary predator upon those who break, and are charged with the myriad of rules that no man could possibly know of or about, or, in many cases accept.

Looks like someone is to busy embracing delusions again, time to pull you back to reality.

Lots of people have tried the same thing..and you will meet their fate, free loader :D By the way, for someone so enraged and frothing at the mouth over the value of fiat currency, he sure is doing quite a bit to protect his worthless paper money. If you REALLY believe that your "system" is perfectly legal and you've found a loophole in the gigantic system used to enslave us all that cannot be touched, why not PM me your name and address? I'll do nothing but send it to the IRS, and if you've found a perfectly legal method to escape all this terrible enslavement then you have nothing to worry about. If, however, you are simply a tax evader, it could cause problems.

Your "method" is simply tax evasion: You have to file in both countries (if you are a citizen for both), if you don't file in either or tell each country you filed in the other they DO communicate with each other and will flag you as a tax evader. And unfortunately for you, if we are really talking about a tax liability of hundreds of thousands, you will very soon be paying up or be in jail since thats enough money to motivate the IRS to do something.
There are two possible things going on here: either you are a US citizen (since most people can only get a SSN if they are a citizen - SSDI has a ton of exemptions against non-citizens getting it) and a Canadian citizen, or you are one of the few who qualify for a SSN as a non-resident and are only a Canadian citizen. In the first case, you have to pay US taxes and possibly Canadian taxes, and if you lie to either government they have treaties in place to find out. In the second case you are paying at the minimal SSDI taxes at some point and are only a Canadian citizen, which if you no longer paying because your retired means you only owe taxes in Canada, in which your scheme would still fail.

[EldonG]

Anyway, while words came into English from Greek or whatever, words mean, in 2010, what they mean. Take the words "gay" or "faggot" for instance. In North America in the year 2010 those don't mean "happy" or "bundle of sticks." There is no secret code in legal language. "Govern" does not refer to a ship. A person is a person. Heck, people are people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGlTR71FEk)!

Your arguments have offered inviolate proof that the Jesuit program of 'dumbing down' of the Canadian population in their control of school curriculum and textbooks is most effective. Common usage of certain words is most effective in trapping the unwary in the world of legal code meanings that are intended to deceive and defraud mankind of the realm. If men cannot be deceived, they cannot be dominated as slaves. Thank you.

Now, offer some proof that 'govern' does not mean to steer, direct or administer a ship at sea, or to administer, steer, or direct a make-believe ship at sea, called an incorporated body, of which Government is a 'body politic' (policy making fictional body) - a thing that does not exist in nature.

[Sledge]

Anyone provided proof of this nonsense working yet?

[LightinDarkness]

Your arguments have offered inviolate proof that the Jesuit program of 'dumbing down' of the Canadian population in their control of school curriculum and textbooks is most effective. Common usage of certain words is most effective in trapping the unwary in the world of legal code meanings that are intended to deceive and defraud mankind of the realm. If men cannot be deceived, they cannot be dominated as slaves. Thank you.

Now, offer some proof that 'govern' does not mean to steer, direct or administer a ship at sea, or to administer, steer, or direct a make-believe ship at sea, called an incorporated body, of which Government is a 'body politic' (policy making fictional body) - a thing that does not exist in nature.

This is classical CT rationalization before our very eyes...every time EldonG is debunked the facts that debunked him simply become part of a larger conspiracy. Now, the fact that his arguments on the meanings of words has been debunked and shown to be wrong means that its a part of the "jesuit education conspiracy."

He then COMPLETELY ignores that the word "govern" indeed does NOT mean to steer a ship at sea, and acts like all the proof that debunked him simply doesn't exist.

[uke2se]

Well, first off, I don't offer a way to 'dodge taxes'. One doesn't have to submit to the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of an owned slave, unless you desire to be a slave, where all your labour and fruits of your labour belong to a foreign corporate body. If that is the case, then have at it.

I use my filing system in 2003 for the year 2001 in filing with the IRS for my pension payout from the airline for which I worked for 19 years. I am Canadian, but have a USA SSN#. If I had filed their way, I would likely have owed 1/2 Mil. $$. Using my method, I paid the IRS nothing.

Also, the damage control goon cite the 'myths' posted by CRA and the 'false tax arguments, posted on the net by the IRS. Neither mention anything in relation to my system of filing. And, absolutely nobody has been hauled into court for using my method, at least that I know about, anyway.

Since my system is, and always has been free and available on the internet, I have no idea how many use it. And, further, I really don't care. It is information I post as a service and a ministry to my fellow man - unlike a lawyer, who is a mercinary predator upon those who break, and are charged with the myriad of rules that no man could possibly know of or about, or, in many cases accept.

It sure looks like dodging taxes to me. However, I asked for a real verifiable example of this working. That means, someone taking it to court and winning. As it is right now, either the reason you haven't been caught (again, right?) is dumb luck, or you have taken it to court and you have the documents to prove the legality of your "system". If so, I'd like to see those documents.

[Lyrandar]

So? What is fiat currency but a tool to control slaves and used to harvest the fruits of the labour of the slaves by both taxation harvesting and by 'watering down the soup' inflation, so that even savings by the peons is stripped from them. And, don't tell me that such has not been the case with Candian funny money. In the late 1950s and early 1960s, $10,000 would get one a decent 1,000 sq foot house. Now, one would be looking at $400,000 for the same house. In those days, a $100,000 nest egg was plenty as a retirement account. Now $5,000,000 would be needed to maintain the same standard of living for the senior years. Fortunately, the USA is being forced into going back to the gold standard, and when they do, Canada will be obliged to follow suit.

If this were true, wouldn't every smart government in the world be insuring rising inflation so they could take advantage of their slaves some more?

In case you're curious, this isn't the case. There are in fact countries in which deflation is a bigger problem - Japan is the only example I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more.

Everybody knows???? Since when. And, if all one gets in rexchange for their labour/time/life is this con job called fiat money, and then CRA takes it from them because CRA sees them as slaves belonging to the corporate Crown, and subject to the harvesting of the fruits of their labour, may I suggest that the fraud is all too evident.

*shrug* It's just one of those things which no one thinks about, because it doesn't matter. My employer flips a few bits in a server somewhere every month and suddenly I have something I can use to buy food, computer games, etc. If we were on the gold standard, it would be no different; the only thing that would change would be the identity of the materials I was exchanging for goods or services.

Let's have a few quotes that shows that 'person' means an adult free will man. In case you weren't aware, an adult man(male or female) can only have the status of 'free will', or 'subservient/slave status' while on Planet Earth. Describing a man as an 'individual', 'married', 'single','husband' or 'wife', does not address the issue of status. If a man can be punished for disobeying a rule where there is no victim, or have his life/time/labour confiscated without his voluntary approval, that certainly signifies a status of subservience to another. And, within every statute by any level of Government that deals with mankind, and rules to be followed, and prohibitions to be observed upon penalty of punishment, the term 'person' is used. Thus, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.... Quo Warranto

Except that by holding the status of a US citizen (or Canadian citizen or whatever you are) you are in fact implying that you are willing to incur the responsibilities inherent with that. Any position, title, or status with benefits will have at least minimal responsibilities. And don't try and say it's not voluntary - you can give up your citizenship, if you so desire. Just keep in mind that you lose all the benefits of a citizen when you do that - including, probably, the ability to stay in the country. And if you don't like that, well, that's the way the world works. There is no such thing as a completely free lunch.

[EldonG]

Looks like someone is to busy embracing delusions again, time to pull you back to reality.

Well, who is the one here in delusion? The one supporting the world of fictional ships at sea, where mankind is made slaves of those copporate fictional bodies? Or the one teaching that an adult man is a free will mind and Son of Creator Diety, and has the natural unalienable rights of life, liberty, property and due process of law? And, by due process - no 'mens rea' damage or harm to another man - no law broken.

Lots of people have tried the same thing..and you will meet their fate, free loader :D

That is a statement for which you have no proof. I am the only party who has taught the method I use. And, I have no idea who has used my method, no one has reported even being cited with any charge bringing them into the administrative court system. Yes, some have had money stolen from bank accounts that were not properly set up, but they are warned in my program info to take asset protection precautions from outright theft by CRA or the IRS. If they don't heed the warnings, it is not my fault.

By the way, for someone so enraged and frothing at the mouth over the value of fiat currency, he sure is doing quite a bit to protect his worthless paper money.

I use the analogy of the flimsy plastic bags one finds on the rolls at the produce section of the supermarket, as being a representation of the Canadian or American fiat currency. It is not those bags which have any value. It is the produce you have selected and paid for (defrauded the store owner by paying them fiat currency) that is in those plastic bags that has value to you. When you accept the worthless currency as exchange for your labour, the currency you have in your pocket or bank account is filled with the fruits of your labour. Now suppose you clear the grocery store checkout and proceed to your car in the parking lot, and are intercepted by store security demanding those bags with the store name on them. They don't give a damn what you have in them, they just want 50% of the bags back, which they then throw in the garbage bin. That is the story of income tax, and what CRA does when collecting the worthless fiat money from a working man.

If you REALLY believe that your "system" is perfectly legal and you've found a loophole in the gigantic system used to enslave us all that cannot be touched, why not PM me your name and address? I'll do nothing but send it to the IRS, and if you've found a perfectly legal method to escape all this terrible enslavement then you have nothing to worry about. If, however, you are simply a tax evader, it could cause problems.

Is that supposed to scare me, or others reading this forum? Who do you think I sent the IRS 1040 to in the summer of 2003. And, it was the IRS who
sent me a 'bussiness expense statement' a month or so later to complete the return. They had full knowledge as to how much the gross amount was that the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension. Also, they certainly communicated with CRA at that time. And, both recognized that no taxes were unpaid or evaded by myself.

Your "method" is simply tax evasion: You have to file in both countries (if you are a citizen for both), if you don't file in either or tell each country you filed in the other they DO communicate with each other and will flag you as a tax evader. And unfortunately for you, if we are really talking about a tax liability of hundreds of thousands, you will very soon be paying up or be in jail since thats enough money to motivate the IRS to do something.

How can it be 'tax evasion' (refusing to pay over the fruits of the labour of an owned slave to the slave owner, under the property right) when, income tax only applies to a fictional legal entity/name which does not have a live man (declared legally dead) attached to it as an accessory, making the live man also the property of the owner of the legal name - the corporate Crown of the City of London?

There are two possible things going on here: either you are a US citizen (since most people can only get a SSN if they are a citizen - SSDI has a ton of exemptions against non-citizens getting it) and a Canadian citizen, or you are one of the few who qualify for a SSN as a non-resident and are only a Canadian citizen. In the first case, you have to pay US taxes and possibly Canadian taxes, and if you lie to either government they have treaties in place to find out. In the second case you are paying at the minimal SSDI taxes at some point and are only a Canadian citizen, which if you no longer paying because your retired means you only owe taxes in Canada, in which your scheme would still fail.

Not a US citizen (citizen = slave) , but a green card immigrant to the USA.

The legal name, ELDON WARMAN may be a slave of the Crown in right of Canada, but the free will adult man who uses the name as his agent in commerce under private necessity is certainly not a citizen -slave owned by the Crown.

Eldon Warman/ELDON WARMAN may have to pay taxes, if taxes are owed after deducting basic exemptions from income. However, since ELDON WARMAN is merely an agent, the only income an agent has is the fee for services. And, that fee is determined by private contract between the free will man and the Crown owned legal name. The Crown doesn't set the fee.
As a free will adult man, one is a mind existing within a human body/a vessel.
As an operating system in a computer, a human mind has no substance, nor other physical presence. It is an interaction process of electrons within the physical brain/computer. Thus, a mind cannot be identified by a name. A mind can only have sounds, words and terms that it recognizes through hearing, vision or other senses. That is called an appellation - commonly called term. The legal system of make-believe ships at sea/corporate bodies requires an identifying name.

[EldonG]

Anyone provided proof of this nonsense working yet?

Anyone provided proof that Eldon's detax system hasn't worked?

Of course, one has to be able to read and comprehend the English language to determine whether it may, or may not work.

And, I could care less if someone does determine that it won't work. All we need is less than 2%of the population believing and doing to make the '100th monkey' feature kick in, and blow away the whole fiction world of the Wonderful Wizard of Oz - the Pontiff of Rome, and his 104 Red Robed hoodlems.

[D'rok]

Long story short: Eldon pays his taxes.

[EldonG]

This is classical CT rationalization before our very eyes...every time EldonG is debunked the facts that debunked him simply become part of a larger conspiracy. Now, the fact that his arguments on the meanings of words has been debunked and shown to be wrong means that its a part of the "jesuit education conspiracy."

He then COMPLETELY ignores that the word "govern" indeed does NOT mean to steer a ship at sea, and acts like all the proof that debunked him simply doesn't exist.

Well.. You can believe that the world is flat, and Bugs Bunny is a real rabbit if you wish. But, that doesn't make it so. So far, nothing that I have written has been 'debunked' on this thread, except the list I posed for D'rok, to allow him to debunk the dis-information types 'red herring' diversions.

[uke2se]

Well, who is the one here in delusion? The one supporting the world of fictional ships at sea, where mankind is made slaves of those copporate fictional bodies? Or the one teaching that an adult man is a free will mind and Son of Creator Diety, and has the natural unalienable rights of life, liberty, property and due process of law? And, by due process - no 'mens rea' damage or harm to another man - no law broken.



That is a statement for which you have no proof. I am the only party who has taught the method I use. And, I have no idea who has used my method, no one has reported even being cited with any charge bringing them into the administrative court system. Yes, some have had money stolen from bank accounts that were not properly set up, but they are warned in my program info to take asset protection precautions from outright theft by CRA or the IRS. If they don't heed the warnings, it is not my fault.



I use the analogy of the flimsy plastic bags one finds on the rolls at the produce section of the supermarket, as being a representation of the Canadian or American fiat currency. It is not those bags which have any value. It is the produce you have selected and paid for (defrauded the store owner by paying them fiat currency) that is in those plastic bags that has value to you. When you accept the worthless currency as exchange for your labour, the currency you have in your pocket or bank account is filled with the fruits of your labour. Now suppose you clear the grocery store checkout and proceed to your car in the parking lot, and are intercepted by store security demanding those bags with the store name on them. They don't give a damn what you have in them, they just want 50% of the bags back, which they then throw in the garbage bin. That is the story of income tax, and what CRA does when collecting the worthless fiat money from a working man.



Is that supposed to scare me, or others reading this forum? Who do you think I sent the IRS 1040 to in the summer of 2003. And, it was the IRS who
sent me a 'bussiness expense statement' a month or so later to complete the return. They had full knowledge as to how much the gross amount was that the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension. Also, they certainly communicated with CRA at that time. And, both recognized that no taxes were unpaid or evaded by myself.



How can it be 'tax evasion' (refusing to pay over the fruits of the labour of an owned slave to the slave owner, under the property right) when, income tax only applies to a fictional legal entity/name which does not have a live man (declared legally dead) attached to it as an accessory, making the live man also the property of the owner of the legal name - the corporate Crown of the City of London?



Not a US citizen (citizen = slave) , but a green card immigrant to the USA.

The legal name, ELDON WARMAN may be a slave of the Crown in right of Canada, but the free will adult man who uses the name as his agent in commerce under private necessity is certainly not a citizen -slave owned by the Crown.

Eldon Warman/ELDON WARMAN may have to pay taxes, if taxes are owed after deducting basic exemptions from income. However, since ELDON WARMAN is merely an agent, the only income an agent has is the fee for services. And, that fee is determined by private contract between the free will man and the Crown owned legal name. The Crown doesn't set the fee.
As a free will adult man, one is a mind existing within a human body/a vessel.
As an operating system in a computer, a human mind has no substance, nor other physical presence. It is an interaction process of electrons within the physical brain/computer. Thus, a mind cannot be identified by a name. A mind can only have sounds, words and terms that it recognizes through hearing, vision or other senses. That is called an appellation - commonly called term. The legal system of make-believe ships at sea/corporate bodies requires an identifying name.

Ok, so if I understand you correctly, one does not have to pay income tax, because income tax is something invented by those that wants to enslave people? Income tax is basically an invention to get a piece of your money?

Well, duh. Income tax is a fee that's going towards paying for costs that citizens (slaves, as you put it) incur throughout their lives, such infrastructure costs, and in the case of Sweden (my home country) and, I believe, Canada, towards funding health care. Paying income tax is called "living in a society". If you don't want to live in society, you will have to exclude yourself from all the benefits that taxes go towards paying, such as infrastructure (no more driving on roads for you), benefits, health care (other than private, non-subsidized health care) etc. Basically, you will have to go live in the wilderness, away from society.

If you do not, you are nothing but a free-loader, living off the benefits payed for by tax-payers.

[uke2se]

Anyone provided proof that Eldon's detax system hasn't worked?


Not how it works. Rather than us proving a negative, the burden of proof is on you to prove that it works.

[uke2se]

Long story short: Eldon pays his taxes.

Is that what all that word-salad meant?

[EldonG]

It sure looks like dodging taxes to me. However, I asked for a real verifiable example of this working. That means, someone taking it to court and winning. As it is right now, either the reason you haven't been caught (again, right?) is dumb luck, or you have taken it to court and you have the documents to prove the legality of your "system". If so, I'd like to see those documents.

I wish I could accomodate your desires, but, I don't know of anyone using my detax methods who has been taken to court. Sorry.

You are asking me to prove a negative. Even the 'highly intelligent' lawyer who started this thread couldn't likely prove a negative.

If you want 'proof of legality', then you are of the mindset that you are a slave of the Crown, and have to have permission of the corporate slave owner to do what Creator Diety granted to you as His Son. You have a long way to go before you are ready to remove the slave chains from your ankles.

[D'rok]

Is that what all that word-salad meant?Looks like it to me. He explicitly said that income tax is deducted from his paycheck. As his last job appears to have been as a bus driver, he probably never owes any more than what was initially deducted.

[EldonG]

Not how it works. Rather than us proving a negative, the burden of proof is on you to prove that it works.

Why would I have such a burden. I don't charge you, nor anyone, for my information. As most 'debunkers' say: "Advice is worth what you pay for it." If that be the case, and you are a debunker, as obviously pretty much all of the other posters are on this thread, then you are free to ignore my website and my material. Hasn't cost you a penny.

[uke2se]

If you want 'proof of legality', then you are of the mindset that you are a slave of the Crown, and have to have permission of the corporate slave owner to do what Creator Diety granted to you as His Son. You have a long way to go before you are ready to remove the slave chains from your ankles.

Yes, I want proof of legality. The rest of this paragraph basically says "then you are a citizen of a society", which I am, and so are you. We humans live in societies. We need laws to regulate these societies. We pay taxes in these societies to pay for communally utilized things, like infrastructure, health care, retirement benefits etc. I really have no interest in living in a society were nobody pays taxes, as that would mean a much worse society.

[uke2se]

Why would I have such a burden. I don't charge you, nor anyone, for my information. As most 'debunkers' say: "Advice is worth what you pay for it." If that be the case, and you are a debunker, as obviously pretty much all of the other posters are on this thread, then you are free to ignore my website and my material. Hasn't cost you a penny.

The burden of proof is on you if you want to make the claim that your "system" is legal. If you waive the burden of proof, we take that as admission that your system isn't legal.

This is how a debate works. The burden of proof is on the claimant - you. You can stop engaging in the debate if you don't want the burden of proof.

[EldonG]

Is that what all that word-salad meant?

If Eldon Warman, the Crown owned legal name owes taxes, it will pay taxes. But, as long as the free will adult man commonly called Eldon determines the fee paid to ELDON WARMAN, that entity will never owe taxes.

By the way, the all caps spelling just means that the entity is pledged as chattel in bankruptcy (of the corporate Government). It is the conversion of a family name of the 'registered' child to a 'sur' or 'primary' name that makes the legal fiction/legal name. A child is considered property, and can be named. An adult man cannot be 'identity' named.

[D'rok]

Hey Eldon.

If you filed your taxes properly, you'd probably get a decent refund. At minimum, you'd get a GST/HST refund.

Kind of ironic, eh?

[uke2se]

If Eldon Warman, the Crown owned legal name owes taxes, it will pay taxes. But, as long as the free will adult man commonly called Eldon determines the fee paid to ELDON WARMAN, that entity will never owe taxes.

By the way, the all caps spelling just means that the entity is pledged as chattel in bankruptcy (of the corporate Government). It is the conversion of a family name of the 'registered' child to a 'sur' or 'primary' name that makes the legal fiction/legal name. A child is considered property, and can be named. An adult man cannot be 'identity' named.

Why can't you refer to yourself as "me" or "I" instead of "the entity". Speaking of yourself in third person just make you sound nuts.

And, you are wrong. An adult man can be named, and does have an identity. This identity is used by him to claim benefits from society, and by society to regulate the individual.

[D'rok]

If Eldon Warman, the Crown owned legal name owes taxes, it will pay taxes. But, as long as the free will adult man commonly called Eldon determines the fee paid to ELDON WARMAN, that entity will never owe taxes.

This is hilarious. Eldon Warman (free will human) doesn't pay taxes, but ELDON WARMAN (slave to Rome) does. Of course, all of ELDON WARMAN's income is earned by Eldon Warman, so the whole charade is a distinction without a difference.

Eldon pays his taxes. Good boy.

[EldonG]

Looks like it to me. He explicitly said that income tax is deducted from his paycheck. As his last job appears to have been as a bus driver, he probably never owes any more than what was initially deducted.

Sorry, I have been an 'anti-slave's labour harvesting' advocate longer than I was a tour bus driver. And, I was an RCAF fighter pilot for 6 years, and an airline pilot and captain for 19 years. How many posters here have intelligence enough to perform those skilled occupations?

And, I have not filed an income tax return in Canada since 1964, when I was in the RCAF. I was in the USA from 1965 to 1985, and that is where my education on the evil scheme of income tax started to come to light for me.

Why no tax return has been demanded. Read Section 150 of the Income Tax Act of Canada. No return required if no tax owed. And, I certainly haven't lived on the street since 1985.

[uke2se]

Sorry, I have been an 'anti-slave's labour harvesting' advocate longer than I was a tour bus driver. And, I was an RCAF fighter pilot for 6 years, and an airline pilot and captain for 19 years. How many posters here have intelligence enough to perform those skilled occupations?


Quite a number, I would expect, since none of the occupations you listed demand any excessive intelligence, but rather training. Training which was provided to you by tax funded organizations.

[D'rok]

Sorry, I have been an 'anti-slave's labour harvesting' advocate longer than I was a tour bus driver. And, I was an RCAF fighter pilot for 6 years, and an airline pilot and captain for 19 years. How many posters here have intelligence enough to perform those skilled occupations?

And, I have not filed an income tax return in Canada since 1964, when I was in the RCAF. I was in the USA from 1965 to 1985, and that is where my education on the evil scheme of income tax started to come to light for me.

Why no tax return has been demanded. Read Section 150 of the Income Tax Act of Canada. No return required if no tax owed. And, I certainly haven't lived on the street since 1985.There is a difference between "not filing a tax return" and "not paying taxes".

On behalf of other Canadians, thank you for paying your taxes.

[D'rok]

Quite a number, I would expect, since none of the occupations you listed demand any excessive intelligence, but rather training. Training which was provided to you by tax funded organizations.It's OK. He paid it back with deductions from his paychecks. Just like (most of) the rest of us.

ETA: And unlike the rest of us, he doesn't even file a return asking for a refund. Quite noble really.

[EldonG]

This is hilarious. Eldon Warman (free will human) doesn't pay taxes, but ELDON WARMAN (slave to Rome) does. Of course, all of ELDON WARMAN's income is earned by Eldon Warman, so the whole charade is a distinction without a difference.

Eldon pays his taxes. Good boy.

Oh! Come now! How can something that only exists as a name on paper 'earn' income (whatever that is, since it is nowhere defined).

It takes a mind and physical body to do work, and work is exchanged for worthless fiat money in the con-game of fiat money. The only way ELDON WARMAN could have income is if the free will man was stupid enough to consider himself as being 'one and the same as' the legal name, Eldon Warman, and thus performed the work to get exchange. The free will adult man who uses the legal name, Eldon Warman as his agent in commerce (and, 'commerce' is trade or business at sea- for the lawyer), does not consider or consent to be identified by any name, as such would be a lie, if I were to consent to do that.

A family or clan name is NEVER a child's name, and, a man can have NO 'identifying' name.

[D'rok]

Oh! Come now! How can something that only exists as a name on paper 'earn' income (whatever that is, since it is nowhere defined).

It takes a mind and physical body to do work, and work is exchanged for worthless fiat money in the con-game of fiat money. The only way ELDON WARMAN could have income is if the free will man was stupid enough to consider himself as being 'one and the same as' the legal name, Eldon Warman, and thus performed the work to get exchange. The free will adult man who uses the legal name, Eldon Warman as his agent in commerce
(and, 'commerce' is trade or business at sea- for the lawyer), does not consider or consent to be identified by any name, as such would be a lie,
if I were to consent to do that.

A family or clan name is NEVER a child's name, and,m a man can have NO 'identifying' name.Well gosh. I guess you better ask the IRS and the CRA to repay those deductions then. 25 years as a pilot, you say? That's a lot of income tax that was unjustly taken from you. What's your plan to get it back?

[EldonG]

Quite a number, I would expect, since none of the occupations you listed demand any excessive intelligence, but rather training. Training which was provided to you by tax funded organizations.

Why are you still coming up with this crap that taxes fund anything the Government does, especially, the Federal Government? Are you incapable of reading Beardsley Rum's speech that I show on my website in the first couple of pages on this thread?

And, what is your training? Training for skilled occupations requires high and capable intelligence. What is your skilled occupation?

[EldonG]

Hey Eldon.

If you filed your taxes properly, you'd probably get a decent refund. At minimum, you'd get a GST/HST refund.

Kind of ironic, eh?

Refund? Refund of what? GST/HST refund = sucker bait.

[D'rok]

Refund? Refund of what? GST/HST refund = sucker bait.Refund on your income taxes. You know, those regular deductions from when you were a working man?

I salute you for letting the govt keep more of your money than is necessary.

[EldonG]

Why can't you refer to yourself as "me" or "I" instead of "the entity". Speaking of yourself in third person just make you sound nuts.

And, you are wrong. An adult man can be named, and does have an identity. This identity is used by him to claim benefits from society, and by society to regulate the individual.

I do. The 'ENTITY' is the legal name, ELDON WARMAN/Eldon Warman.
That is not me, so it is a third party. 'I am, I, or Me, is all I call or refer to myself, the un-namable free will man.

No, you are Wrong. That is done through the agent in commerce, Eldon Warman. And, if other than Creator Diety's law 'regulates' a man, then that man is a slave of the regulator. Creator Diety's Law = Do no harm.

[uke2se]

Why are you still coming up with this crap that taxes fund anything the Government does, especially, the Federal Government?

Uhm... because that's how it works in the real world? Seriously, were do you think the money used for infrastructure, health care, benefits etc. come from?


Are you incapable of reading Beardsley Rum's speech that I show on my website in the first couple of pages on this thread?

I'm not incapable, just unwilling. If Mr Rum claims that taxes don't pay for the things I've listed, he's wrong.


And, what is your training?

Not that it is relevant, but my training is that of Ship Officer, which means, Captain of a sea going vessel. You would probably say I "govern" a ship.


Training for skilled occupations requires high and capable intelligence.

Nope. It doesn't require more than average intelligence.


What is your skilled occupation?

Already stated.

[uke2se]

I do. The 'ENTITY' is the legal name, ELDON WARMAN/Eldon Warman.
That is not me, so it is a third party. 'I am, I, or Me, is all I call or refer to myself, the un-namable free will man.

No, it's not a third party. It's your identity, meaning, you.


No, you are Wrong. That is done through the agent in commerce, Eldon Warman.

Which means, you.


And, if other than Creator Diety's law 'regulates' a man, then that man is a slave of the regulator.

Society's laws supersede laws penned by imaginary beings.


Creator Diety's Law = Do no harm.

There is no creator deity.

[EldonG]

There is a difference between "not filing a tax return" and "not paying taxes".

On behalf of other Canadians, thank you for paying your taxes.

What is that supposed to mean? I have no taxes/fruits of the labour as a slave to be harvested, since I am not a slave, as you obviously are.

Seems that you are defending the status of slavery that has been imposed upon you.

Are you suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome?

[uke2se]

What is that supposed to mean? I have no taxes/fruits of the labour as a slave to be harvested, since I am not a slave, as you obviously are.

Seems that you are defending the status of slavery that has been imposed upon you.

Are you suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome?

He just means that you are paying your taxes. It's good to know that you don't live like a free-loader just because you preach for free-loading.

[EldonG]

Refund on your income taxes. You know, those regular deductions from when you were a working man?

I salute you for letting the govt keep more of your money than is necessary.

Hasn't happened. Wonder why you cannot get it through your head that income tax is just the means to destroy fiat money so that new fiat money coming into existence by bank loans does not bloat the pig - cause inflation.

That would be fine if the people were given proper remuneration in goods or services for the plastic bags (fiat money) with their labour inside that are stolen from them to reduce the plastic bags filling the environment.

[EldonG]

He just means that you are paying your taxes. It's good to know that you don't live like a free-loader just because you preach for free-loading.

Why are you happy that someone else is a victim of having slavery imposed upon him and having the fruits of his labour harvested by a corporate body that claims ownership of him. Is that your idea of a desirable or ideal human life? If you insist that I pay taxes, think as you wish. So skin off my derriere.

[uke2se]

Borrowed from banks who create it out of nothing.

Wrong. Money borrowed from banks aren't created out of nothing, and tax money isn't borrowed from banks.



Well, if you are too stubborn to learn, and you think you are more intelligent and more informed than the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then so be it.

I'm not too stubborn to learn. I'm just too smart not to fall for your BS. If the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said that tax money isn't used for the things I've listed, I can think of three possibilities:

1. Mr Rum has gone mad.
2. Mr Rum is lying.
3. You are lying about what Mr Rum said, alternatively quote mining him. This seems most likely.

ETA: I can't find the quote you are talking about on your webpage. Could you link directly to it so that I don't have to wade through pages and pages of loony bin crap?


12 foot or 14 foot? Row or kicker?

79 meters.


And, you are living proof of that? Whatever......

Are you saying that I'm stupid?

[uke2se]

Why are you happy that someone else is a victim of having slavery imposed upon him and having the fruits of his labour harvested by a corporate body that claims ownership of him. Is that your idea of a desirable or ideal human life? If you insist that I pay taxes, think as you wish. So skin off my derriere.

I'm happy that you're doing your part in society. You see it as slavery, I see it as helping out.

[tsig]

Long story short: Eldon pays his taxes.

Sounds like he retired:

the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension

[tsig]

I do. The 'ENTITY' is the legal name, ELDON WARMAN/Eldon Warman.
That is not me, so it is a third party. 'I am, I, or Me, is all I call or refer to myself, the un-namable free will man.

No, you are Wrong. That is done through the agent in commerce, Eldon Warman. And, if other than Creator Diety's law 'regulates' a man, then that man is a slave of the regulator. Creator Diety's Law = Do no harm.

Which Eldon is posting here?

[D'rok]

Sounds like he retired:

the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension

He was forcibly retired (i.e., fired), but he could still be collecting a pension. If so, he's probably paying tax on that income through automatic deductions...and then not collecting his refund because he doesn't file a tax return. Too funny.

[EldonG]

Parliament changed the law by making an amendment to the Bank of Canada Act stating:

25.(6) Notes of the Bank are neither promissory notes nor bills of exchange within the meaning of the Bills of Exchange Act.

You may be correct on this; however, the only version of the Bank of Canada Act published on the internet is the CANLII versions, Section 25 is in regard to shares of the Bank of Canada, and the Business Development Bank of Canada Act, Section 25 only has 3 subsections.

As you can see there is no reference to reference to a ship at sea or a make-believe vessel. There is no need to reference a ship's script situation because fiat currency was a well known concept when this law was changed. Again, the fact that we have a fiat currency and that a ship's script could also be considered like a form of fiat currency does not mean the two are one in the same. Nor does it imply that parliament considered Canadian currency to be a form of ship's script.

There are specific definitions of "ship's script" and "fiat currency" that will show you the difference. Ship's script only applies to the specific situation of being on a ship. It doesn't mean that any other type of fiat currency not relating to ships has to be described in the terms of ship's script.

A ship's script is a form of fiat currency, that doesn't mean fiat currency is a ship's script. It is similar in some ways and different some ways. Similarly schizophrenia is a form of mental illness, but that doesn't mean a mental illness is always schizophrenia. You wouldn't look at a person with depression and say "he's got some wierd form of make-believe schizophrenia." You would just call it by the more accurate description "depression." So when faced with Canada having a fiat currency I am at a loss why anyone would try to describe it as "Canada has some wierd form of ship's script as currency where the country is a make believe ship and the citizens are like slave crewmembers." Just describe what is happening by the correct and most accurate English words that have been widely used for decades to describe the situation and say "Canada uses a fiat currency."

I would suspect that, as a lawyer, you understand the difference between 'evidence' and 'proof positive'? Regarding incorporated bodies being 'make-beileve ships at sea' ,and 'fiat currency' being a form of 'ship script', what can be said is that 'evidence' shows that such is the case.

I suppose, when one is so brainwashed into the box of the world of fiction and make-believe, as lawyers obviously are, one cannot expect to see any conclusions of evidence that is outside that box. I, however, am not encumbered by being in a mental box, and I can conclude that 'if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it most likely is a duck'.

If a man can be incarcerated or otherwise punished for disobedience to other men's rules and demands for performance, that man is NOT of 'free will status'. Corporate bodies, being fictional, make no rules, only men's minds within those fictional bodies make rules and demands for performance.

There is only one other status an man can be, and that is 'slave status'. And, by 'slave status' I mean as a vessel under tow, and subject to the administration of captain of the towing vessel - not the narrow definition of a 'worker slave', although, the income tax creates that condition for Canadians.

[EldonG]

Wrong. Money borrowed from banks aren't created out of nothing, and tax money isn't borrowed from banks.

OK! from where does it come? Has you bank ever stated on your account reports that some or all of your money in your account has been loaned out?
Does all the money they loan out come from bank earnings from interest collected on other loans? Does the bank borrow money from the Bank of Canada? If so, where does the Bank of Canada get the money to loan to banks to lend out?

I'm not too stubborn to learn. I'm just too smart not to fall for your BS. If the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said that tax money isn't used for the things I've listed, I can think of three possibilities:

1. Mr Rum has gone mad.
2. Mr Rum is lying.
3. You are lying about what Mr Rum said, alternatively quote mining him. This seems most likely.

ETA: I can't find the quote you are talking about on your webpage. Could you link directly to it so that I don't have to wade through pages and pages of loony bin crap?

Go to the link to my website posted by OP on page 1. Use the GOOGLE website search feature, and search: "fairshare". the
link to Ruml's speech is on that webpage.

79 meters.

Is that the length of the barge?
barge (bärj) n. 1. a. A long, large, usually flatbottom boat for transporting freight that is generally unpowered and towed or pushed by other craft.

Are you saying that I'm stupid?

No. I didn't say that. Are you. perchance, looking into a mirror?

[D'rok]

You may be correct on this; however, the only version of the Bank of Canada Act published on the internet is the CANLII versions, Section 25 is in regard to shares of the Bank of Canada, and the Business Development Bank of Canada Act, Section 25 only has 3 subsections.No need to rely on canlii.org.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/B-2/

Better yet, why not go straight to the source. All statutes are published in the Annual Statutes of Canada. You're in Calgary, correct? The law library at the U of C will have a complete collection:

http://library.ucalgary.ca/branches/law/about/contact

[uke2se]

OK! from where does it come? Has you bank ever stated on your account reports that some or all of your money in your account has been loaned out?
Does all the money they loan out come from bank earnings from interest collected on other loans? Does the bank borrow money from the Bank of Canada? If so, where does the Bank of Canada get the money to loan to banks to lend out?

Look, it's pretty simple really. Let's break it down. On the one hand we have the "treasury", the money available for the government in their budget. This "treasury" is filled in part by tax money, the rest by interests, revenue from state owned corporations etc.

On the other hand we have you, the tax payer. You pay taxes on your salary and on transactions and on property etc. This money goes into the "treasury".

Money from this "treasury" is used to pay for all the things in the government's budget, including military spending, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, retirement benefits and all other expenses.

The government also loans money from banks to achieve their goals in a budget. This money isn't just "created" by the bank. It is money from their account holders.

So to summarize, the money you pay in taxes is used to fund the government's budget, which includes all the things needed for society to function.

I ask you again, were do you think the money for the budget come from? Also, were do you think the money you pay in taxes go?

ETA: If you're really that ignorant of how money is "created", look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation).


i didn't say that. Are you. perchance, looking into a mirror?

Then what did you say? What did the person you talked about say? What did it have to do with my original statement?

[EldonG]

I'm happy that you're doing your part in society. You see it as slavery, I see it as helping out.

Yass Sah! Bossman! How are you helping out? Helping to prevent the Canadian Monopoly money from inflating by turning over the Canadian Monopoly money you foolishly accepted for your labour to be deleted from existence by CRA?

If we had real asset value money, like Canada had prior to 1932, there would be no inflation, and people who saved money for their retirement years would still have the money they exchanged for their labour for the years they cannot work. If there was a need for taxes, because there was not enough royalties collected for the natural resources harvested from the common property of the land called Canada, then, the Biblical 10% tithe would be adequate to do the job of financing needed services performed by a legitimate administrative committee (an unincorporated body - a Congress - a form of people's jury).

[EldonG]

No need to rely on canlii.org.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/B-2/

Better yet, why not go straight to the source. All statutes are published in the Annual Statutes of Canada. You're in Calgary, correct? The law library at the U of C will have a complete collection:

http://library.ucalgary.ca/branches/law/about/contact

Thank you.

[LightinDarkness]

Well, who is the one here in delusion? The one supporting the world of fictional ships at sea, where mankind is made slaves of those copporate fictional bodies? Or the one teaching that an adult man is a free will mind and Son of Creator Diety, and has the natural unalienable rights of life, liberty, property and due process of law? And, by due process - no 'mens rea' damage or harm to another man - no law broken.

Your entire worldview is based on a delusion that has no basis in reality. You believe in it because you want to believe, because to recognize that its all fantasy would mean that you have to be responsible for your own actions. There is no secret law declaring we are all fictional ships at sea, there is no plot to make anyone a slave (in the first world, at least). You cry about wanting to be free while being a hypocrite and living in a society where you leech from the rest of us by claiming to avoid your taxes.


That is a statement for which you have no proof. I am the only party who has taught the method I use. And, I have no idea who has used my method, no one has reported even being cited with any charge bringing them into the administrative court system. Yes, some have had money stolen from bank accounts that were not properly set up, but they are warned in my program info to take asset protection precautions from outright theft by CRA or the IRS. If they don't heed the warnings, it is not my fault.

Actually, as I've already quoted from the IRS, your "method" is simply tax evasion and is fraud. Lots of have tried it, all have failed.


I use the analogy of the flimsy plastic bags one finds on the rolls at the produce section of the supermarket, as being a representation of the Canadian or American fiat currency. It is not those bags which have any value. It is the produce you have selected and paid for (defrauded the store owner by paying them fiat currency) that is in those plastic bags that has value to you. When you accept the worthless currency as exchange for your labour, the currency you have in your pocket or bank account is filled with the fruits of your labour. Now suppose you clear the grocery store checkout and proceed to your car in the parking lot, and are intercepted by store security demanding those bags with the store name on them. They don't give a damn what you have in them, they just want 50% of the bags back, which they then throw in the garbage bin. That is the story of income tax, and what CRA does when collecting the worthless fiat money from a working man.

Its to bad that your analogy doesn't work: I've never spent so much time and devoted my life to believing in delusions in order to protect supermarket bags.


Is that supposed to scare me, or others reading this forum? Who do you think I sent the IRS 1040 to in the summer of 2003. And, it was the IRS who
sent me a 'bussiness expense statement' a month or so later to complete the return. They had full knowledge as to how much the gross amount was that the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension. Also, they certainly communicated with CRA at that time. And, both recognized that no taxes were unpaid or evaded by myself.

Why would you be scared? You have no reason to be...unless your just another delusional tax fraud who knows your time is short. So, yet again: PM me your name and mailing address. I won't do a thing with it except report it to the IRS. If your system is so legitimate because you've uncovered a global conspiracy based on admiralty law and slavery, you have nothing to worry about it. If your simply a tax cheat, well thats another story. Are you scared?


How can it be 'tax evasion' (refusing to pay over the fruits of the labour of an owned slave to the slave owner, under the property right) when, income tax only applies to a fictional legal entity/name which does not have a live man (declared legally dead) attached to it as an accessory, making the live man also the property of the owner of the legal name - the corporate Crown of the City of London?

It would be tax evasion because your entire idea of what taxes are is based on mythology, and yet you continue to live in society and enjoy the benefits of those taxes (roads, health insurance if your in canada, fire service, etc.) all while not paying for it because your a freeloader.


Not a US citizen (citizen = slave) , but a green card immigrant to the USA.

Citizen has nothing to do with slave, but I'm glad your not a US citizen. At least we seem to have some standards. If thats the case, then you may indeed not have to pay the IRS under certain circumstances. But these have nothing to do with your conspiracy world view - its just its assumed your paying taxes to your sovereign government.


The legal name, ELDON WARMAN may be a slave of the Crown in right of Canada, but the free will adult man who uses the name as his agent in commerce under private necessity is certainly not a citizen -slave owned by the Crown.

There is no legal name ELDON WARMAN. ELDON WARMAN is you, the entire "legal name/strawman" theory is a mythology. The crown doesn't own any slaves except in your fantasy world.


Eldon Warman/ELDON WARMAN may have to pay taxes, if taxes are owed after deducting basic exemptions from income. However, since ELDON WARMAN is merely an agent, the only income an agent has is the fee for services. And, that fee is determined by private contract between the free will man and the Crown owned legal name. The Crown doesn't set the fee.
As a free will adult man, one is a mind existing within a human body/a vessel.
As an operating system in a computer, a human mind has no substance, nor other physical presence. It is an interaction process of electrons within the physical brain/computer. Thus, a mind cannot be identified by a name. A mind can only have sounds, words and terms that it recognizes through hearing, vision or other senses. That is called an appellation - commonly called term. The legal system of make-believe ships at sea/corporate bodies requires an identifying name.

Witness the complete insanity of FOTL here. I can't do anything but quote and laugh at the ignorance.

I will offer you the same challenge as I have many a debunked Freeman/sovereign freeloader that came before you and failed: All you have to do to prove your points is offer 1 single sustained (ie, not overturned on appeal) case from any level of court in any country that states a person can "decline" paying taxes due to their status as a sovereign citizen and that is their right. Just one. Until you do this, your entire posts are nothing but thousands of words based on unproven delusion.

[D'rok]

Thank you.No prob. Law libraries are excellent resources. We tend to forget about this in the age of Google.

[EldonG]

[QUOTE=uke2se;6303773]Look, it's pretty simple really. Let's break it down. On the one hand we have the "treasury", the money available for the government in their budget. This "treasury" is filled in part by tax money, the rest by interests, revenue from state owned corporations etc.

On the other hand we have you, the tax payer. You pay taxes on your salary and on transactions and on property etc. This money goes into the "treasury".

Money from this "treasury" is used to pay for all the things in the government's budget, including military spending, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, retirement benefits and all other expenses.

The government also loans money from banks to achieve their goals in a budget. This money isn't just "created" by the bank. It is money from their account holders.

So to summarize, the money you pay in taxes is used to fund the government's budget, which includes all the things needed for society to function.

I ask you again, were do you think the money for the budget come from? Also, were do you think the money you pay in taxes go?[QUOTE]

Then, what you are saying is that the corporation called Canada and its incorporate administrative body, called parliament, harvests the labour from owned slaves, called Canadians, and gives it to the banks to lend out at interest, and gives them the credits of the hypothicated slaves to create fiat money that is not a bill of exchange medium. Hmm..

[uke2se]

Yass Sah! Bossman! How are you helping out? Helping to prevent the Canadian Monopoly money from inflating by turning over the Canadian Monopoly money you foolishly accepted for your labour to be deleted from existence by CRA?


Nah, I'm just paying my taxes like every other upstanding citizen. Not in Canada though.

[uke2se]

Then, what you are saying is that the corporation called Canada and its incorporate administrative body, called parliament, harvests the labour from owned slaves, called Canadians, and gives it to the banks to lend out at interest, and gives them the credits of the hypothicated slaves to create fiat money that is not a bill of exchange medium. Hmm..

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that citizens of the nation called Canada pay taxes to the governing body of said nation. This tax money is then used to fund the governing body's budget which benefits society as a whole. In short, we are pitching in to keep everyone well off.

You, on the other hand, are preaching free loading off of this system, thereby benefiting from society without being an active part. That's A: Illegal and B: something only a douche would do.

You didn't answer either of my two questions, so I'll just make a note of your dodge.

[Alareth]

Your posts are beginning to make less sense than Yrreg's. That's quite an achievement.

[EldonG]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that citizens of the nation called Canada pay taxes to the governing body of said nation. This tax money is then used to fund the governing body's budget which benefits society as a whole. In short, we are pitching in to keep everyone well off.

You, on the other hand, are preaching free loading off of this system, thereby benefiting from society without being an active part. That's A: Illegal and B: something only a douche would do.

You didn't answer either of my two questions, so I'll just make a note of your dodge.

Yeh! But... 'citizen means one of slave status, and is synonomous with freeman and subject.

A 'nation' is a make-believe ship with a hull/boundary in this fascist world under the Holy Roman Empire of the Pontiff of Rome.

'Tax' is the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of owned slaves.

'Governing' body is an incorporated body that administers the make believe ship - the body politic.

How does paying over the fiat/fake money to be deleted from existence result in keeping people well off. Guess it makes one's pockets lighter as we travel along the road of life.

[bikerdruid]

Hmmmmm. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm
not sure that what you heard is what I actually meant!

i got it figured....you are a politician.
that is the only light in which that statement makes any sense, and since you completely failed to answer the question, it is the only reasonable explanation..

[EldonG]

Your posts are beginning to make less sense than Yrreg's. That's quite an achievement.

Why does that concern you?

[EldonG]

i got it figured....you are a politician.
that is the only light in which that statement makes any sense, and since you completely failed to answer the question, it is the only reasonable explanation..

A 'politician' is one who makes 'policy' for the administrator of the make-believe ship, called the body politic. Don't quite think I fit that description.

[jargon buster]

EldonGs posts are "especially" familiar.

JB

[EldonG]

i still find it hard to believe that they sent manure to the new world by ship, or at all.
(b.s. is everywhere, particularly in this thread....)
however, s-h-i-t is not an acronym. it is a fine old english word.
and what you mean by "govern, person, queen, queer, gay, faggot," i have absolutely no idea, unless you are calling me names because i'm queer...:confused:
but, i'm extremely interested to hear your very creative answer....

I don't have any complaint about queers, faggots, and such. I could care less if men choose to use their penis as a rectum stimulator, and call it sex. At least they are not contributing their genes to the future gene pool that way.
So, it is a single generation phenomenon of that party anyway.

[bikerdruid]

A 'politician' is one who makes 'policy' for the administrator of the make-believe ship, called the body politic. Don't quite think I fit that description.

hmmm...so you say...:rolleyes:

btw, are you going to answer my question about govern, queen, queer, faggot?
what did you mean by that statement?

[EldonG]

EldonGs posts are "especially" familiar.

JB

From where? The outhouse walls? My reputation does get around. Just had a big 'THANK YOU! from New Zealand on my e-mail.

And, I find it quite gratifying that sommany 'debunkers are showing up on this thread. Someone who is unimportant, or totally 'off base', as ya all imply or state, certainly wouldn't get so much attention, now would they?

So, thank ya all for the supportive recognition that I am truly disturbing the hornet's nest.

[D'rok]

From where? The outhouse walls? My reputation does get around. Just had a big 'THANK YOU! from New Zealand on my e-mail.

And, I find it quite gratifying that sommany 'debunkers are showing up on this thread. Someone who is unimportant, or totally 'off base', as ya all imply or state, certainly wouldn't get so much attention, now would they?

So, thank ya all for the supportive recognition that I am truly disturbing the hornet's nest.We're not very important. This is the Internet, after all. But thanks for thinking so highly of us.

Trolling the JREF forums is easy to do. We like trolls. What's more revealing is just how quickly you showed up here after JLord's initial post. It smacks of desperation for an audience. Do you Google yourself daily in the hopes that someone, somewhere is talking about you?

[catsmate1]

Quoted moderated content removed.
where are you getting this stuff?
The same place he gets the rest of his "material"? Just be thankful he's not calling you a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Yet.
Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_html.asp?doid=639&lg=_e&isruling=0)has to say about him.
Nor did his drivel do his much good when he was tried for assault (http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2000/00/p00%5F0022.htm) and then lost his appeal (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/ca/01/05/2001bcca0510.htm). He doesn't appear to ever have tried his "detax" nonsense in an actual court but others have, most notably Thomas Kennedy, who lost badly.

[bikerdruid]

The same place he gets the rest of his "material"? Just be thankful he's not calling you a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Yet.
Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_html.asp?doid=639&lg=_e&isruling=0)has to say about him.
Nor did his drivel do his much good when he was tried for assault (http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2000/00/p00%5F0022.htm) and then lost his appeal (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/ca/01/05/2001bcca0510.htm). He doesn't appear to ever have tried his "detax" nonsense in an actual court but others have, most notably Thomas Kennedy, who lost badly.

wow.
up to now, i just thought this dude was mildly amusing.
now i see what he really is about.
he disgusts me.

i wonder if eldon will address these issues.

[jargon buster]

well ,well well.

I wonder if he will come back now,

nice post catsmate1

[Fitter]

Yeh! But... 'citizen means one of slave status, and is synonomous with freeman and subject.

A 'nation' is a make-believe ship with a hull/boundary in this fascist world under the Holy Roman Empire of the Pontiff of Rome.

'Tax' is the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of owned slaves.

'Governing' body is an incorporated body that administers the make believe ship - the body politic.

How does paying over the fiat/fake money to be deleted from existence result in keeping people well off. Guess it makes one's pockets lighter as we travel along the road of life.
To paraphrase the Coffee Crisp commercial : Just because you say something is so, doesn't make it so.

[tsig]

From where? The outhouse walls? My reputation does get around. Just had a big 'THANK YOU! from New Zealand on my e-mail.

And, I find it quite gratifying that sommany 'debunkers are showing up on this thread. Someone who is unimportant, or totally 'off base', as ya all imply or state, certainly wouldn't get so much attention, now would they?

So, thank ya all for the supportive recognition that I am truly disturbing the hornet's nest.

Stirring up hornets' nests is a sport usually reserved for young boys.

[Horatius]

well ,well well.

I wonder if he will come back now,

nice post catsmate1



Considering I've already mentioned the "lampshades and soap (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6282325#post6282325)" comment, and he sailed right past it, I doubt he'll slink off in shame.


But look on the bright side: If he continues, we may be able to get the human rights commission on his ass again.

[EldonG]

Considering I've already mentioned the "lampshades and soap (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6282325#post6282325)" comment, and he sailed right past it, I doubt he'll slink off in shame.


But look on the bright side: If he continues, we may be able to get the human rights commission on his ass again.

Why? I am not the least anti-semitic? I have never met a Palestinian I didn't like. They are the only Semites that I am aware of.

[EldonG]

Stirring up hornets' nests is a sport usually reserved for young boys.

I would like to be seen as a 'young boy'. To my 102 year old Mother, guess I still am a youngster to her.

[EldonG]

To paraphrase the Coffee Crisp commercial : Just because you say something is so, doesn't make it so.

That is your opinion, and you have a right to it. Now, respect someone elses opinion.

[EldonG]

The same place he gets the rest of his "material"? Just be thankful he's not calling you a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Yet.
Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_html.asp?doid=639&lg=_e&isruling=0)has to say about him.
Nor did his drivel do his much good when he was tried for assault (http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2000/00/p00%5F0022.htm) and then lost his appeal (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/ca/01/05/2001bcca0510.htm). He doesn't appear to ever have tried his "detax" nonsense in an actual court but others have, most notably Thomas Kennedy, who lost badly.

Someone else talking to themselves in their mirror. We sure do have some comical debunkers on this thread. Are you all equipped with the Megaphone software progam? It is amazing that you people stoop to crotch kicking when you cannot win your debunking arguments.

You are just another one who is proving that Eldon Warman is a target for the hatred of the fascism and corporate slavery supporters, and this certainly helps in interesting those who have been victims of their evil system in Eldon's program and website. [OP links my website in the first post on this thread on Page 1.]

[BaaBaa]

And, the friendly fascist Government has blocked the sale of a simple cure for AIDS, called MMS (Miracle Mineral Solution), discovered by a man called Jim Humble. Look it up.

Thanks for the suggestion....

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm

"FDA NEWS RELEASE

For Immediate Release: July 30, 2010
Media Inquiries: Elaine Gansz Bobo, 301-796-7567, elaine.bobo@fda.hhs.gov
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA Warns Consumers of Serious Harm from Drinking Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)
Product contains industrial strength bleach

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to take Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid also known as “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS.” The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health.

The FDA has received several reports of health injuries from consumers using this product, including severe nausea, vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure from dehydration.

Consumers who have MMS should stop using it immediately and throw it away. "

Thanks for the heads up!

Look it up. And, this is the fascist Government that ya all are doing your damnedest to defend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/Geoffiscool/spanishinquisition4ll8.jpg

[catsmate1]

Someone else talking to themselves in their mirror. We sure do have some comical debunkers on this thread. Are you all equipped with the Megaphone software progam? It is amazing that you people stoop to crotch kicking when you cannot win your debunking arguments.

You are just another one who is proving that Eldon Warman is a target for the hatred of the fascism and corporate slavery supporters, and this certainly helps in interesting those who have been victims of their evil system in Eldon's program and website. [OP links my website in the first post on this thread on Page 1.]

I'm sorry I don't speak gibberish, can you translate into English please.
It's "crotch kicking" to point out that you are a fraud, liar, anti-semite, convicted criminal and general nutter? Hmmm.

Oh and he also buys into the FDA suppresses cancer cure meme, pushing into the Hoxsey cancer fraud. He's also linked to Ross Stanfield and the highly dubious Gallowai Bul River goldmine.

And finally, here's another rant of his:"The truth about the present Canadian "red rag" is that it is a Zionist emblem (Zion blood red) – the colour of 56 million Russian's (sic) and Ukranian's (sic) Zionist spilled blood, plus the spilled blood of millions of unborn babies by the Zionist controlled abortion thugs, and the many more millions of peoples' blood spilled by Nazi/Zionist controlled pharmaceutical companies and their poisoned vaccines and drugs. That is what the ‘dead maple leaf’ represents."

[BaaBaa]

Oh me, oh my, oh me...

I had no idea that 'Hatikvah' was the Hebrew title for "The Maple Leaf Forever".

Posters and lurkers, I apologize on behalf of all sane Canadians.

[D'rok]

And finally, here's another rant of his:Does this mean that every time we pour delicious maple syrup on something, we're really drinking the spilled blood of millions of unborn babies?

Mmmmm...babies.

[EldonG]

Thanks for the suggestion....

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm

"FDA NEWS RELEASE

For Immediate Release: July 30, 2010
Media Inquiries: Elaine Gansz Bobo, 301-796-7567, elaine.bobo@fda.hhs.gov
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA Warns Consumers of Serious Harm from Drinking Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)
Product contains industrial strength bleach

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to take Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid also known as “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS.” The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health.

The FDA has received several reports of health injuries from consumers using this product, including severe nausea, vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure from dehydration.

Consumers who have MMS should stop using it immediately and throw it away. "

Thanks for the heads up!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/Geoffiscool/spanishinquisition4ll8.jpg

Well, you can believe the FDA who allows aspartame, MSG, modified furctose/glucose, and assorted other very dangerous and harmful substances to be included into our food supply, if you wish, but thousands of people have greatly benefitted from Jim Humble's product and findings. Thousands have been cured of aids. malaria and other killer diseases in South America and Africa. Read what he and people who have benefitted from MMS at humblemiraclemineral.com .

[bikerdruid]

Well, you can believe the FDA who allows aspartame, MSG, modified furctose/glucose, and assorted other very dangerous and harmful substances to be included into our food supply, if you wish, but thousands of people have greatly benefitted from Jim Humble's product and findings. Thousands have been cured of aids. malaria and other killer diseases in South America and Africa. Read what he and people who have benefitted from MMS at humblemiraclemineral.com .

now he's pushing spam...:cool:

[TjW]

Well, you can believe the FDA who allows aspartame, MSG, modified furctose/glucose, and assorted other very dangerous and harmful substances to be included into our food supply, if you wish, but thousands of people have greatly benefitted from Jim Humble's product and findings. Thousands have been cured of aids. malaria and other killer diseases in South America and Africa. Read what he and people who have benefitted from MMS at humblemiraclemineral.com .

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the widespread use of Dihydrogen Monoxide? (http://www.dhmo.org/) Should its use be banned?

[Alareth]

Thousands have been cured of aids. malaria and other killer diseases in South America and Africa.

That sir is an outright lie.

[uke2se]

Yeh! But... 'citizen means one of slave status, and is synonomous with freeman and subject.

No, it doesn't. 'Citizen' means member of society with associated rights and responsibilities.


A 'nation' is a make-believe ship with a hull/boundary in this fascist world under the Holy Roman Empire of the Pontiff of Rome.

No it isn't. A nation is a grouping of people who share real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government


'Tax' is the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of owned slaves.

No, it is not. Tax is a contribution made by people to fund the services provided by the government, such as transport, education or health services.


'Governing' body is an incorporated body that administers the make believe ship - the body politic.

No, it is not. A 'Governing body' is an administration: the persons (or committees or departments etc.) who make up a body for the purpose of administering something; in this case, a nation.


How does paying over the fiat/fake money to be deleted from existence result in keeping people well off. Guess it makes one's pockets lighter as we travel along the road of life.

The money isn't deleted from existence. The money is used to fund the services provided by the government, such as transport, education or health services.

You're really not good at this 'words' stuff, are you?

[uke2se]

Wow, this thread has gone from nutty to bat crap over night.

[catsmate1]

Wow, this thread has gone from nutty to bat crap over night.
Yeah. I apologise for my part in that.

Does this mean that every time we pour delicious maple syrup on something, we're really drinking the spilled blood of millions of unborn babies?

Maple syrup is one of Canada's great contributions to civilisation.

[blobru]

Does this mean that every time we pour delicious maple syrup on something, we're really drinking the spilled blood of millions of unborn babies? ...


I feel like such a sap.

[D'rok]

Maple syrup is one of Canada's great contributions to civilisation.That and Celine Dion.
:duck:

I feel like such a sap.
:D

[SanityGap]

Well, you can believe the FDA who allows aspartame, MSG, modified furctose/glucose, and assorted other very dangerous and harmful substances to be included into our food supply, if you wish, but thousands of people have greatly benefitted from Jim Humble's product and findings. Thousands have been cured of aids. malaria and other killer diseases in South America and Africa. Read what he and people who have benefitted from MMS at humblemiraclemineral.com .

Proof for any of that?
Otherwise it's just the usual batcrap CT lies.

[Blue Mountain]

Well, you can believe the FDA who allows aspartame, MSG, modified furctose/glucose, and assorted other very dangerous and harmful substances to be included into our food supply, if you wish ...
We should start making a list of the conspiracy theories Eldon doesn't believe in. It would probably be rather short.

I'll second TjW's question on dihydrogen monoxide. That seems to be pretty lethal stuff!

[SanityGap]

I'll second TjW's question on dihydrogen monoxide. That seems to be pretty lethal stuff!

It has been responsible for thousands of deaths over the years.

[Horatius]

It has been responsible for thousands of deaths over the years.



And billions in property damage!

[carlitos]

Your arguments have offered inviolate proof that the Jesuit program of 'dumbing down' of the Canadian population in their control of school curriculum and textbooks is most effective.
1 - I am not Canadian.
2 - I have never attended a catholic / Jesuit school.
3 - I have never read a Canadian textbook.

Common usage of certain words is most effective in trapping the unwary in the world of legal code meanings that are intended to deceive and defraud mankind of the realm. If men cannot be deceived, they cannot be dominated as slaves. Thank you.
Could you perhaps post a shred of evidence that the pope or someone is "defrauding mankind of the realm." First define realm. Then show the defrauding. Thanks!

Now, offer some proof that 'govern' does not mean to steer, direct or administer a ship at sea, or to administer, steer, or direct a make-believe ship at sea, called an incorporated body, of which Government is a 'body politic' (policy making fictional body) - a thing that does not exist in nature.
My proof? I spent part of the long weekend with friends on a boat. I kept calling the guy who was steering "governor." Finally, he asked me if I was crazy. I told him "no, govern means to steer a boat." He replied "I was in the Navy for 6 years, and you are full of crap."

We live in a society. Society determines what words mean. This has been true for millenia.


How many posters here have intelligence enough to perform those skilled occupations?
:rolleyes:

Yeh! But... 'citizen means one of slave status, and is synonomous with freeman and subject.

A 'nation' is a make-believe ship with a hull/boundary in this fascist world under the Holy Roman Empire of the Pontiff of Rome.

'Tax' is the harvesting of the fruits of the labour of owned slaves.

'Governing' body is an incorporated body that administers the make believe ship - the body politic.

How does paying over the fiat/fake money to be deleted from existence result in keeping people well off. Guess it makes one's pockets lighter as we travel along the road of life.

I'm sorry that you made up all of these definitions and facts. None of them are true. I'd tell you to "open your eyes" or something, but I doubt it will help. At the very least, take the suggestion and file for some tax refunds. If you won't spend it on educating yourself, at least you could have some fun, maybe take a trip to Rome and mess with the slave-drivers.

Also, someone asked before. Who is posting here - Eldon Warman or ELDON WARMAN? And what is the difference? Just for clarity, I am all-lowercase carlitos, but some people also call me "carlito." Thanks! :)

[carlitos]

That and Celine Dion The Tragically Hip.



Fixed that for you :)

[EldonG]

We're not very important. This is the Internet, after all. But thanks for thinking so highly of us.

Trolling the JREF forums is easy to do. We like trolls. What's more revealing is just how quickly you showed up here after JLord's initial post. It smacks of desperation for an audience. Do you Google yourself daily in the hopes that someone, somewhere is talking about you?

No. I have no problem with the positive exposure and hits on my website. I just noticed that there were a number of hits on my hitcounter from JREF Forum, and wondered what was triggering the hits on my website.

Then, I find a whole bunch of the fascist crowd chiming in to supposedly 'debunk' Detax Canada and Eldon Warman.

I find that a lawyer, who uses the old lawyer technique of lying by not giving all the fact or ignoring that which does not conform to his agenda, laying out the pattern for the debunking crowd to follow. Lying by omission is just as much lying as is stating falsehoods.

For instance, he says there is no mention of incorporated bodies being 'make believe ships at sea' in the legislation on the creation of incorporated bodies.

Does a nautical engineer have to explain what a ship is when he is designing and overseeing the building of a ship or vessel? If a body has bounds, boundaries, a hull or skin in which the body is contained, and has a captain (by whatever name), and 'officers' (by whatever name) and (crew) members (by whatever name), then that describes a ship at sea, or a make-believe ship at sea - an incorporated (from the Latin, 'corpus' meaning 'body'), where the word 'to incorporate means to assemble into a completed structure (body).

So, you all can continue your Eldon Warman bashing, as you obviously will; however, it makes no difference to me or my mission to help the Canadian and American men and women return to their true God Given status as free will men, and stop the enslavement and life/time ripoff that they now suffer.

You cannot affect my interests financially, as my detax program is totally free for the asking, and always has been since I went on the internet in January of 1998.

Therefore, if you wish to have any help or advice in recovering your Creator Diety given rights and freedoms, find my e-mail on my website.

Sticks and stones may break one's bones, but names can make you a slave!

Bye Bye!

[D'rok]

Bye Bye!Toodles!

Here's some reading for you as a parting gift:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

[JLord]

Well, if you look at the history of paper money, it was always 'promissory notes' to pay the real asset valued money, and the assets have historically in the caucasian world, gold or silver, and a measure thereof, as depicted in the US Coinage Act of 1793. When currency is not a promissory note, it is a pure 'con' game - with the term 'to con' meaning to defraud by deceit. Thus, you say that Canadian currency is valued by the CON-fidence of the Canadian people.


It's not a con game because nobody is being decieved. It isn't as if they secretly switched to a fiat currency system and you are the only one to discover it and the rest are being fooled. It was a widely publicized event and it has been widely discussed since. Everyone who is interested in the topic knows that Canada (and other countries) operate with a system of fiat currency. We still choose to use this money knowing that it is fiat currency. So where is the con?

Even if you make the argument that economically it makes sense to move back to a gold standard, to call it a con there has to be some element of deception. There is no deception going on here. We all know what fiat currency is and choose to use it. If I want to do business only with gold coins I can if I want. This is not a con. (unless you have some old English/latin definition of the word that is different from it's current English definition)

If not, then What is the reason? Just making the statement proves nothing,

Bills of exchange existed for hundreds of years. Well before the current system of fiat currency. Your claim that the Bills of Exchange Act was enacted because money was worthless and people had no other way of settling debts falls down on this fact alone. As with the English Bills of Exchange Act (which is from the 1880s, again well before the current system of fiat currency), the Canadian Act was made for the purposes of codifying rules relating to Bills of Exchange. It wasn't bringing any new type of financial instrument into existence as a way of dealing with the switch to a fiat currency.

especially when the one making the unsupported statement is representing the Mickey Mouse fiction world that is corporate Canada, and the corporate Crown of the City of London.

I am not representing anyone else in these conversations.

Who would make or issue such a decision? A black robed priest? They are just administrative officers of the make-believe ship at sea called Canada, with their allegiance pledged to the Crown of the City of London.

Yes, a judge employed by the government of Canada. You are one saying they needed to make changes to the law to allow people to sue for debts. You could have just claimed they ignore the law and are loyal to pope or something. But in this you are claiming that they were following the law but had to make some changes in response to a fiat currency. If so there must be some decision reflecting this fact, or else how did you come to the conlusion you have reached?

So, if Parliament says that Canadian currency is no longer a bill of exchange, then that means that creditors are getting truly ripped off, and currency is purely a con game.

Again, it isn't a con game if there is no deception.

Everybody knows???? Since when. And, if all one gets in rexchange for their labour/time/life is this con job called fiat money, and then CRA takes it from them because CRA sees them as slaves belonging to the corporate Crown, and subject to the harvesting of the fruits of their labour, may I suggest that the fraud is all too evident.

No. The current system of currency is known to everyone. Sure some people are ignorant and have never looked into it, but the information is widely available. The fact that we pay taxes is widely known as well. If the CRA secretly considers people to be like slaves they are keeping this to themselves and administering the tax system in accordance with parliament's wishes.

All the evidence and proof in the world would not change your loyalty to your primary oath to the Lawyers Guild ( The BAR) of the City of London, and thus the Pontiff's Holy Roman Empire evil dictatoprship.

As I have said before, I have no loyalty to any of these groups.

If the law meant what the term is supposed to mean,

This sort of thinking seems to be leading you to a lot of incorrect conclusions. A word means what it means. It is ridiculous to insert your own meaning and then say "that's what it is supposed to mean." Someone brought up the example with calling someone "gay." You can say it is supposed to mean happy and cheerful and to back up your argument you can point to a dictionary definition from 100 years ago. But that argument instantly fails as soon as someone else looks for the meaning in current sources.

If you are an 'officer of the corporate Crown', then your first loyalty is to that corporation. Follow what law? The rules made by the 'policy makers' (politicians) of the corporate Parliament of corporate Provincial legislatures? Who owns those corporate bodies. The judge in the People of Wetaskiwin v. Milton Littlechild MP certainly pointed out that, once an MP is sworn in as an officer of Parliament, they were not beholden to the people who voted for that MP.

Well, I'm not an "officer of the corporate crown" but that is a reasonable accurate description of the political system. You're not using the corret words but I know what you mean.

Maybe in fact, but not in practise. I have met lawyers who were disBARred for defending someone against Crown policy.

Who? I would be very interested.

[Alareth]

Now, offer some proof that 'govern' does not mean to steer, direct or administer a ship at sea, or to administer, steer, or direct a make-believe ship at sea, called an incorporated body, of which Government is a 'body politic' (policy making fictional body) - a thing that does not exist in nature.

The person that steers a ship is called a Helmsman.

The person in charge of a ship is called a Captain.

[JLord]

For instance, he says there is no mention of incorporated bodies being 'make believe ships at sea' in the legislation on the creation of incorporated bodies.

This kind of implies that he is about to come back with some kind of response to my assertion. But instead this:

Does a nautical engineer have to explain what a ship is when he is designing and overseeing the building of a ship or vessel? If a body has bounds, boundaries, a hull or skin in which the body is contained, and has a captain (by whatever name), and 'officers' (by whatever name) and (crew) members (by whatever name), then that describes a ship at sea, or a make-believe ship at sea - an incorporated (from the Latin, 'corpus' meaning 'body'), where the word 'to incorporate means to assemble into a completed structure (body).

[carlitos]

The person that steers a ship is called a Helmsman.

The person in charge of a ship is called a Captain.

That's what my ex-Navy buddy said. You guys must be shills.

[Sledge]

Oh, has he gone? Damn, and I wanted to know what a "diety" was.

[blobru]

Oh, has he gone? Damn, and I wanted to know what a "diety" was.


From its etymology, it's obviously this worn inside-out:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/madebyhippies/DSC03502.jpg

[SanityGap]

Oh, has he gone? Damn, and I wanted to know what a "diety" was.

It's the profound feeling of sorrow felt after reducing your calorie intake and seeing no change on the scales.

[D'rok]

From its etymology, it's obviously this worn inside-out:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/madebyhippies/DSC03502.jpg

It's the profound feeling of sorrow felt after reducing your calorie intake and seeing no change on the scales.

Nonsense. You're both wrong. It obviously means "Diet" as in a "formal deliberative assembly". In particular, the general assembly of Imperial Estates of the Holy Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_(assembly)).

So, when Eldon says...
Therefore, if you wish to have any help or advice in recovering your Creator Diety given rights and freedoms, find my e-mail on my website.
...he plainly means the rights and freedoms allowed us by our Roman overlords in the Imperial Diet. Thus, they are our "diety" rights.

I think Eldon's red robes are showing.

[dudalb]

Eldon's statements on "The Pope's Holy Roman Empire" get this reaction from anybody familiar with the history of the HRE in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance period:

:dl:

Let us just say the constant fighting between the Pontiff and the Emperor of the HRE made anything between Barack Obama and the GOP look mild in comparasion.

[LightinDarkness]

No. I have no problem with the positive exposure and hits on my website. I just noticed that there were a number of hits on my hitcounter from JREF Forum, and wondered what was triggering the hits on my website.

Then, I find a whole bunch of the fascist crowd chiming in to supposedly 'debunk' Detax Canada and Eldon Warman.

I find that a lawyer, who uses the old lawyer technique of lying by not giving all the fact or ignoring that which does not conform to his agenda, laying out the pattern for the debunking crowd to follow. Lying by omission is just as much lying as is stating falsehoods.

For instance, he says there is no mention of incorporated bodies being 'make believe ships at sea' in the legislation on the creation of incorporated bodies.

Does a nautical engineer have to explain what a ship is when he is designing and overseeing the building of a ship or vessel? If a body has bounds, boundaries, a hull or skin in which the body is contained, and has a captain (by whatever name), and 'officers' (by whatever name) and (crew) members (by whatever name), then that describes a ship at sea, or a make-believe ship at sea - an incorporated (from the Latin, 'corpus' meaning 'body'), where the word 'to incorporate means to assemble into a completed structure (body).

So, you all can continue your Eldon Warman bashing, as you obviously will; however, it makes no difference to me or my mission to help the Canadian and American men and women return to their true God Given status as free will men, and stop the enslavement and life/time ripoff that they now suffer.

You cannot affect my interests financially, as my detax program is totally free for the asking, and always has been since I went on the internet in January of 1998.

Therefore, if you wish to have any help or advice in recovering your Creator Diety given rights and freedoms, find my e-mail on my website.

Sticks and stones may break one's bones, but names can make you a slave!

Bye Bye!

Another one debunked and on the run. Why do they all run? It would be so easy to silence the entire forum and "win" the argument...if it had ANY basis in reality. All you need to do is cite 1 sustained court case from any country that says a defendant Freeloader on the Land does not have to pay taxes because of his sovereign citizen status. Thats it - you win. Why can none of the Freeloaders do this simple thing and silence us all?

Oh, because the entire thing is made up and prays on the minds of dumb people trying to escape legitimate debts.

By the way, if you google this guy its nothing but a tragic tale of him being banned/abandoning forum after forum where he finds 0 supports and to much reality to deal with.

Eldon Warman: 0
Reality: 1

[bikerdruid]

Fixed that for you :)

'our lady peace' is a pretty cool canadian export too.:)

[lopeyschools]

Well that was highly entertaining! I thought the whole catholic papal conspiracy thing was regulated to the past, but ELDON has clearly demonstrated that is incorrect.

[BaaBaa]

I have to say I really enjoyed it and I finally got my custom title sorted out, because of it.

[EldonG]

Another one debunked and on the run. Why do they all run? It would be so easy to silence the entire forum and "win" the argument...if it had ANY basis in reality. All you need to do is cite 1 sustained court case from any country that says a defendant Freeloader on the Land does not have to pay taxes because of his sovereign citizen status. Thats it - you win. Why can none of the Freeloaders do this simple thing and silence us all?

Oh, because the entire thing is made up and prays on the minds of dumb people trying to escape legitimate debts.

By the way, if you google this guy its nothing but a tragic tale of him being banned/abandoning forum after forum where he finds 0 supports and to much reality to deal with.

Eldon Warman: 0
Reality: 1

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.

[dudalb]

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.



So now he goes into "Black Knight From Monty Python and The Holy Grail" mode.......
"COME BACK,AND I'LL BITE YOU TO DEATH!".

[catsmate1]

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.

Misplaced arrogance rocks!!!:D
Now will you be addressing your criminal convictions, anti-semitism, lying, scams et cetera?

[Horatius]

Misplaced arrogance rocks!!!:D
Now will you be addressing your criminal convictions, anti-semitism, lying, scams et cetera?



I'd say self supporting delusions rock!


He knows he's on to something big, because everywhere he goes, he runs into people who tell him he's insane.

[carlitos]

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.

The genius who said that my (native-born American) argument was "inviolate proof that the Jesuit program of 'dumbing down' of the Canadian population in their control of school curriculum and textbooks" honors us with a short post building up his own intelligence and ego compared with us mortals and then he misspells "puerile."

:i:

PS - When you put stuff in quotes, you should make it a quote. No one here said "damage control goons" but you, smart guy.

[jaydeehess]

Is intelligence a roadblock to proper spelling and grammar?

hey, I just read page 1 and this page and its been a hoot. Especially Eldon's last post above.

Yep, no better proof that you are right and that TPTB are sending 'goons' to stifle your clarion call, than to have dozens of people tell you that you are wrong.

[Hans]

I'd say self supporting delusions rock!


He knows he's on to something big, because everywhere he goes, he runs into people who tell him he's insane.

Ah but he isn't insane he's just so mistaken and misoriented he SEEMS insane - just a plain old ID ten T problem.

[The Platypus]

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.

Why do these cult kooks always seem to think that spewing delusions of grandeur and over the top pompous arrogance covers up the fact that they are trying to peddle lies and snake oil???

[dtugg]

If there were a legal way to avoid pay income taxes or way that I would be positive that I wouldn't get caught, I wouldn't pay a penny (although to be honest I have under-reported my income by a lot when I could- nothing the IRS could prove of course). Because **** the federal government. I would rather have that money myself. But fortunately, I am not insane and/or retarded and realize that the federal government of the USA does indeed have the authority to collect income taxes. And even if the government of the USA technically does not have the authority to collect income taxes (which, it of course does), it absolutely has the physical power to either make you pay or ruin your life. And I don't know about you people, but I would rather pay some money than have the feds on my back.

[uk_dave]

If there were a legal way to avoid pay income taxes or way that I would be positive that I wouldn't get caught, I wouldn't pay a penny (although to be honest I have under-reported my income by a lot when I could- nothing the IRS could prove of course). Because **** the federal government. I would rather have that money myself. But fortunately, I am not insane and/or retarded and realize that the federal government of the USA does indeed have the authority to collect income taxes. And even if the government of the USA technically does not have the authority to collect income taxes (which, it of course does), it absolutely has the physical power to either make you pay or ruin your life. And I don't know about you people, but I would rather pay some money than have the feds on my back.

So you don't use roads? Emergency services? Benefit from living in a country (and economy) protected by a strong military? Appreciate regulation of polluters and the safety of the air you breathe, the water you drink, the food you eat and the medicines you take?

What are you? A hippy?

[dtugg]

A very small percentage of the income taxes I pay to the feds is actually used for stuff I find useful. The vast majority is pissed away. So yes, if there is a way that I could keep it without going to prison, I would do it.

[JLord]

Nah! It is just that I find no one participating in this thread with the high intelligence of myself, and thus none worthy of my further responses.

Such purile minds bore me! However, the response from so many 'damage control goons' does suggest to me that I, and my Detax Canada website, am obviously a burr under some big shot's saddle.

I am not a bigshot of any kind. As I said my work is helping poor people. The opposite of a bigshot.

And I am happy to give the detax Canada website some publicity. I think most people find it pretty comical on a number of levels. The content is obviously hilarious, but so is the style, the crazy colours, the one super long page, the classic amateur web page style from the mid 90s.

And another point to think about... If there were any merit to these claims who would be the first people to jump all over it? Lawyers. They are the one group who has the means to dispute this and is always quick to jump all over any kind of loophole in the law. The fact that it is always homemade web pages that promote these theories and there are never any lawyers who take advantage of these great "loopholes" is pretty much proof alone that the theories are bunk.

[drkitten]

And another point to think about... If there were any merit to these claims who would be the first people to jump all over it? Lawyers. They are the one group who has the means to dispute this and is always quick to jump all over any kind of loophole in the law.

Not to mention the fact that they probably have more to benefit from being able to escape taxes on their typically much larger than median salaries.

I remember a conversation I had with my eye doctor a while back about then-experimental laser surgery. He pointed out that he still wore glasses even though he could get the surgery done for free as a professional courtesy.

I found that a deeply compelling argument against.

[Mongrel]

And another point to think about... If there were any merit to these claims who would be the first people to jump all over it? Lawyers.

Second, first would be accountants ;)

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Second, first would be accountants ;)

And considering, that every couple of years either a lawyer or an accountant identifies a clever loop in the tax law and sneaks a reduction in his tax through that the NRS promptly closes for the next year, it's not like they aren't interested. ;)

[Sledge]

Not to mention the fact that they probably have more to benefit from being able to escape taxes on their typically much larger than median salaries.

I remember a conversation I had with my eye doctor a while back about then-experimental laser surgery. He pointed out that he still wore glasses even though he could get the surgery done for free as a professional courtesy.

I found that a deeply compelling argument against.

Did you check his glasses had prescription lenses and not just clear glass?

[drkitten]

Did you check his glasses had prescription lenses and not just clear glass?

Oddly enough, I didn't.

I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a Frootloop on the Lam.

[EldonG]

If there were a legal way to avoid pay income taxes or way that I would be positive that I wouldn't get caught, I wouldn't pay a penny (although to be honest I have under-reported my income by a lot when I could- nothing the IRS could prove of course). Because **** the federal government. I would rather have that money myself. But fortunately, I am not insane and/or retarded and realize that the federal government of the USA does indeed have the authority to collect income taxes. And even if the government of the USA technically does not have the authority to collect income taxes (which, it of course does), it absolutely has the physical power to either make you pay or ruin your life. And I don't know about you people, but I would rather pay some money than have the feds on my back.

Just go to the DetaxCanada webpage linked by OP in the opening post on this thread, and download the file called "The Name Game Blog". That will explain the mechanism used by the IRS to steal the fruits of your labor with impunity and without considering your human rights.

[EldonG]

I am not a bigshot of any kind. As I said my work is helping poor people. The opposite of a bigshot.

And I am happy to give the detax Canada website some publicity. I think most people find it pretty comical on a number of levels. The content is obviously hilarious, but so is the style, the crazy colours, the one super long page, the classic amateur web page style from the mid 90s.

And another point to think about... If there were any merit to these claims who would be the first people to jump all over it? Lawyers. They are the one group who has the means to dispute this and is always quick to jump all over any kind of loophole in the law. The fact that it is always homemade web pages that promote these theories and there are never any lawyers who take advantage of these great "loopholes" is pretty much proof alone that the theories are bunk.

Well, I am glad that I provided you with some comedy, even though there apparently is little hope that I could instigate any thought of helping you to seek a remedy for your slave status. Enjoy the rattle of your chains.

Your 'help' for those caught up in the distress of the legal system reminds me of the story of a fellow who comes out of the fast food restaurant with a sack of Big Macs, double fries, and a large mikkshake. Outside is a homeless man begging, and says the the fellow. I haven't had anything to eat in 2 days. The fellow with the sack of food says to the homeless man: "I sure wish I had your will power to resist food."

And, the 'loopholes' to which you refer, are outside the fiction world in which lawyers exist, and have their being. The DetaxCanada detax program is NOT a loophole in the legal system laws. It is the right of a free will adult man to exercise his own unalienable property right, with a man's primary property being his labour produced by his own mind, and through his physical body.

[EldonG]

Second, first would be accountants ;)

A few years ago, Parliament/the corporate Crown enacted an amendment that made all lawyers and accountants pseudo-CRA agents, under penalty of a heavy fine for giving any meaningful advice to the Canadian people on how to avoid or escape taxation. So much for any lawyers or accountants advising or helping find loopholes , let alone advising people how to get out from under the imposed 'slave status', and the 'harvesting of the friuts of the labour of Crown owned slaves' - income tax.

[uke2se]

I thought you said you were done here, Eldon.

[EldonG]

And considering, that every couple of years either a lawyer or an accountant identifies a clever loop in the tax law and sneaks a reduction in his tax through that the NRS promptly closes for the next year, it's not like they aren't interested. ;)

You give another good reason why there is no help with income tax issues coming from lawyers or accountants.

The DetaxCanada program teaches you how to get out from under the slave status status imposed upon you by the corporate Crown of the City of London - yes, the Queen of GB is just an agent for the corporate Crown of the City of London - as all British Monarchs have been since the treaty between Pope Innocent III and King John of 1213 - that made the Pontiff of Rome 'Overlord' of England, and that is not a Roman Catholic thing - it is a secular/worldly rulership that has not changed since that time. Don't believe me? GOOGLE "King John and Innocent III". The information is on RC websites.

The DetaxCanada program has absolutely no reference to 'so-called' loopholes. It is just a matter of reality over fiction.

But then, I am forgetting... Those posting here know a lot more than anyone else about such matters.....

[EldonG]

I thought you said you were done here, Eldon.

Removed breach. Read Rule 10 and abide by it.

[ktesibios]

A few years ago, Parliament/the corporate Crown enacted an amendment that made all lawyers and accountants pseudo-CRA agents, under penalty of a heavy fine for giving any meaningful advice to the Canadian people on how to avoid or escape taxation. So much for any lawyers or accountants advising or helping find loopholes , let alone advising people how to get out from under the imposed 'slave status', and the 'harvesting of the friuts of the labour of Crown owned slaves' - income tax.

Evidence?

That means a direct cite of the law involved, from a reliable source- not an unsupported assertion spread by cybermetastasis from one CT Web site to another?

[Sledge]

Oddly enough, I didn't.

I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a Frootloop on the Lam.

Maybe a little paranoia wouldn't go amiss. After all, your optician could gain perfect eyesight without glasses, but how much more valuable is being able to say "Yeah, I could get that surgery for free, but I didn't"? "Oh, and by the way, did you want to order some prescription sunglasses whilst you're here? Maybe a spare pair of glasses to keep in the car?" I don't think it's too unreasonable to suggest your optician has something of a vested interest in ensuring you keep coming back every couple of years.

[Blue Mountain]

The DetaxCanada program teaches you how to get out from under the slave status status imposed upon you by the corporate Crown of the City of London - yes, the Queen of GB is just an agent for the corporate Crown of the City of London - as all British Monarchs have been since the treaty between Pope Innocent III and King John of 1213 - that made the Pontiff of Rome 'Overlord' of England, and that is not a Roman Catholic thing - it is a secular/worldly rulership that has not changed since that time. Don't believe me? GOOGLE "King John and Innocent III". The information is on RC websites.
I did just that. It appears there wasn't very much done about the Papal Fiefdom thing after the death of King John in 1216 and the recall of Pandulf Masca to Rome in 1221. John's son Henry III worked tirelessly to get England back under his control.

Then there was that little split with Rome that Henry VIII did in 1536. And the fact there hasn't been a Roman Catholic monarch in Great Britain since the Glorious Revolution of 1688, when James II was kicked off the throne and replaced with William III and Mary II.

But don't let facts get in your way. (That hasn't seemed to be a problem so far, actually.)

If you can supply proof that England still sends 1000 silver marks a year to Rome as required by the treaty of 1213, I'll believe that England is still a vassal state of the Roman Catholic Church.

[EldonG]

If you can supply proof that England still sends 1000 silver marks a year to Rome as required by the treaty of 1213, I'll believe that England is still a vassal state of the Roman Catholic Church.

I would suggest that the fact that the Monarch of England has to 'down-dress' and ask the Lord Mayor of London for permission to enter the City (City of London) should be a clue as to the servitude status of the British Monarchs to the Holy Roman Empire and its sub-capitol for banking, Temple Bar (lawyers) and Professional standards (educational degrees).

[Lyrandar]

I would suggest that the fact that the Monarch of England has to 'down-dress' and ask the Lord Mayor of London for permission to enter the City (City of London) should be a clue as to the servitude status of the British Monarchs to the Holy Roman Empire and its sub-capitol for banking, Temple Bar (lawyers) and Professional standards (educational degrees).

Except you haven't provided any actual links between London and the Roman Catholic Church. Getting permission wouldn't necessarily be done for the reason you postulate - there are all sorts of simpler explanations, starting with saying it's an outdated tradition that no longer means anything real. (Assuming this policy Eldon mentions is even true - I don't know that for certain.)

[Horatius]

Except you haven't provided any actual links between London and the Roman Catholic Church. Getting permission wouldn't necessarily be done for the reason you postulate - there are all sorts of simpler explanations, starting with saying it's an outdated tradition that no longer means anything real. (Assuming this policy Eldon mentions is even true - I don't know that for certain.)



I don't think you'll be surprised. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Mayor_of_London#Rights_and_privileges)



It is sometimes asserted that the Lord Mayor may exclude the Sovereign from the City of London. The legend is based on the misinterpretation of the ceremony observed each time the Sovereign enters the City. At Temple Bar the Lord Mayor presents the City's pearl-encrusted Sword of State to the Sovereign as a symbol of the latter's overlordship. The Sovereign does not, as is often purported, wait for the Lord Mayor's permission to enter the City.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Bar,_London

It has long been the custom that the monarch stop at Temple Bar before entering the City of London, so that the Lord Mayor may offer him or her the City's pearl-encrusted Sword of State as a token of loyalty. This historic ceremony has often featured in art and literature, as well as shown on television when it occurs at special occasions in the present era. However, the popular view that the monarch requires the Lord Mayor's permission to enter the City is incorrect.

[Blue Mountain]

I would suggest that the fact that the Monarch of England has to 'down-dress' and ask the Lord Mayor of London for permission to enter the City (City of London) should be a clue as to the servitude status of the British Monarchs to the Holy Roman Empire and its sub-capitol for banking, Temple Bar (lawyers) and Professional standards (educational degrees).
This is a logical fallacy known as "moving the goalposts." I implied I wanted proof that England is sending a thousand silver marks per year to Rome as required by the treaty of 1213. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if the payment was sent less that a dozen times, and probably only two or three: 1213, 1214, and 1215. John died in 1216.

[bikerdruid]

What are you? A hippy?

you ask that like you see that as a bad thing.
do you believe that tax evaders are hippies?
i wish....i pay $1000/month off my pension cheques.
if i told them i was an old hippy could i avoind paying those?

btw....i enjoy the socialized medical system that my taxes support.

[bikerdruid]

A few years ago, Parliament/the corporate Crown enacted an amendment that made all lawyers and accountants pseudo-CRA agents, under penalty of a heavy fine for giving any meaningful advice to the Canadian people on how to avoid or escape taxation. So much for any lawyers or accountants advising or helping find loopholes , let alone advising people how to get out from under the imposed 'slave status', and the 'harvesting of the friuts of the labour of Crown owned slaves' - income tax.

evidence for this please?

[bikerdruid]

You give another good reason why there is no help with income tax issues coming from lawyers or accountants.

The DetaxCanada program teaches you how to get out from under the slave status status imposed upon you by the corporate Crown of the City of London - yes, the Queen of GB is just an agent for the corporate Crown of the City of London - as all British Monarchs have been since the treaty between Pope Innocent III and King John of 1213 - that made the Pontiff of Rome 'Overlord' of England, and that is not a Roman Catholic thing - it is a secular/worldly rulership that has not changed since that time. Don't believe me? GOOGLE "King John and Innocent III". The information is on RC websites.

The DetaxCanada program has absolutely no reference to 'so-called' loopholes. It is just a matter of reality over fiction.

But then, I am forgetting... Those posting here know a lot more than anyone else about such matters.....


perhaps you are unaware of the english reformation under henry viii.:rolleyes:

[Lyrandar]

I don't think you'll be surprised. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Mayor_of_London#Rights_and_privileges)

Thanks for the link. This tells me that my suspicion that that entire line of argument was based on misinterpretation is in fact correct. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, after what Eldon's done to other historical details.

[D'rok]

If you read the posts of the damage control goons, you will find a myriad of 'off topic' and 'damn the messenger' posts, and very little discussion on the merits or lack of merits of the Detax Canada program, which seems to me to be the topic of this thread.
Your detax nonsense was completely debunked by post #10 of this thread. Go back and re-read if you need a reminder, especially post #10. In fact, you debunk your own system yourself on your own web page. Shall I quote you again?

Recent problems encountered by those who file a T1 using my method.


So-called 'employees' are having CRA re-assess their returns based upon the T-4 slip sent to CRA by the 'employer'. That is the document the employer sends to you sometime during January or February stating 'employee 'income'.

Conclusion: I don't currently have a solution to this problem

http://www.detaxcanada.org/filing%20problems.rtf

The rest has just been entertainment.

[Horatius]

Damn, an entire tax avoision (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Avoision) scheme derailed by a T4 slip*? That's one robust bit of woo, I must say!




*For the non-Canadians out there, the T4 is one of, if not the most common bits of government paperwork seen by regular citizens. You usually only get driver's licenses once in your life, a passport or birth certificate a few times, but most people get a T4 every damn year. More than one, if you have more than one job.

How Eldon missed this is beyond me.

[D'rok]

Darn. Eldon is on sabbatical again.

[blobru]

Tax-deductible, at least.

[Thunder]

I don't have any complaint about queers, faggots, and such. I could care less if men choose to use their penis as a rectum stimulator, and call it sex. At least they are not contributing their genes to the future gene pool that way.
So, it is a single generation phenomenon of that party anyway.

oh my

[tsig]

Damn, an entire tax avoision (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Avoision) scheme derailed by a T4 slip*? That's one robust bit of woo, I must say!




*For the non-Canadians out there, the T4 is one of, if not the most common bits of government paperwork seen by regular citizens. You usually only get driver's licenses once in your life, a passport or birth certificate a few times, but most people get a T4 every damn year. More than one, if you have more than one job.

How Eldon missed this is beyond me.

Your link goes to the urban dictionary.

[Horatius]

Your link goes to the urban dictionary.



I couldn't find a good Kent Brockman link.

[dafydd]

Well, I am glad my website is serving two good purposes - teaching Canadians and Americans how to get out from under the Pope imposed involuntary servitude (slave) status, and creating some humour for those who have had their heads removed by the guillotine.

Are you feeling alright?

[dafydd]

The City of London, n independent city /state within England is owned by the Pontiff of Rome. The Crown of the City is a sub-corporation of the corporate Holy Roman Empire, of which the pontiff of Rome is CEO.



That is total crap,pure babble from the looney bin.Get help.

[fitzgibbon]

Darn. Eldon is on sabbatical again.

Wanna bet he's trying to do 'Death by Mod'? That way, JREF can be part of his perceived problem instead of part of the solution.

Just askin'. ;)

[dafydd]

That is a childish response. But, I guess, if one is a shill with nothing to say in rebuttal, your response would be appropriate.

You are funny. Keep it up.

[dafydd]

I, Eldon Warman have no quarrel or obsession with the Roman Catholic Church. It mattes not to me how many beads they count or how much holy water they sprinkle, or the fact that they worship a pig (Iesus and later Jesus just means 'pig' in latin).

What I am concerned about is the secular or worldly claim to power that is by the Pontifex maximus (Pontiff) of the Holy Roman Empire, whose claim is to be Ruler of the World. That Rule was made perfectly clear when the Pope of Rome became overlord over England in 1213. And that treaty is FOREVER.

I could care less if any 'detaxers' decide to stay as a slave of the corporation owned by the pontiff of Rome. that is their free will right .

I,Eldon Warman? Ooooh,get you!

[D'rok]

Wanna bet he's trying to do 'Death by Mod'? That way, JREF can be part of his perceived problem instead of part of the solution.

Just askin'. ;)Yup. Declare victory and leave with delusions intact.

[X]

Question:


Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there is a difference between a "fictional person" called JOHN DOE (who has to pay taxes), and a "free person" named John Doe (who doesn't).

Income taxes are paid on money earned (i.e. income).

In order to be paid, you have to be a recognized person. To wit, JOHN DOE is the one being paid. And thus JOHN DOE owes taxes.

It then follows that John Doe does not owe any taxes, because John Doe does not get paid. At all. JOHN DOE is the one making money, and paying taxes. John Doe is a bum, who, not being part of the state, does not even qualify for social assistance.


So, if EldonG wants to tell his employer that he is a free man, and thus exempt from the drudgery of income, who are we to stop him?

Do I have the right of this?

It really does seem to be supreme selfish hyposcrisy.
I take what suits me to take, but I don't want to give anything back, so I'll plead a special case when it suits me to do so.

[twinstead]

Yea, income is horribly overrated.

[Hans]

I,Eldon Warman? Ooooh,get you!

oh my a poseur......I wonder if he puts 'esquire' at the end of his name?

[Horatius]

oh my a poseur......I wonder if he puts 'esquire' at the end of his name?



I, Horatius, Supreme Potentate, wonder this as well.

[tsig]

oh my a poseur......I wonder if he puts 'esquire' at the end of his name?

Sovereign i believe.

[TjW]

Sovereign i believe.

But as we all know, a rein is a control used on animals, and the obvious link of Sov with Soviet Russia can't be overlooked... is he admitting he's actually a pawn of the Communists?

[drkitten]

Question:


Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there is a difference between a "fictional person" called JOHN DOE (who has to pay taxes), and a "free person" named John Doe (who doesn't).

Income taxes are paid on money earned (i.e. income).

In order to be paid, you have to be a recognized person. To wit, JOHN DOE is the one being paid. And thus JOHN DOE owes taxes.

It then follows that John Doe does not owe any taxes, because John Doe does not get paid. At all. JOHN DOE is the one making money, and paying taxes. John Doe is a bum, who, not being part of the state, does not even qualify for social assistance.


So, if EldonG wants to tell his employer that he is a free man, and thus exempt from the drudgery of income, who are we to stop him?

Do I have the right of this?

It really does seem to be supreme selfish hyposcrisy.
I take what suits me to take, but I don't want to give anything back, so I'll plead a special case when it suits me to do so.

To be fair, the idea of an individual doing business through a corporate shell is hardly new or revolutionary. If you need me to mow your lawn or to realign the dilithium crystals in your warp nacelles, you'd probably hire not me, but DRKITTEN, INC. (and make the check out to DKI), even though I would be the flesh-and-blood person pushing the mower. There are several very good reasons for doing this; it provides me with a certain degree of protection from lawsuits and, yes, tax benefits. Any of the lawyers on the thread could provide you with details at length.

Since I don't earn any money, I don't pay any taxes -- DKI pays the taxes by a different set of rules, and if I've played my cards right, DKI is incorporated in the Seychelles or Narnia or the Klingon Empire or something and owes a whopping 0.001% tax rate.

Is that "supreme selfish hypocracy," or simply an internet nerd with a good tax lawyer?

[Horatius]

Since I don't earn any money, I don't pay any taxes -- DKI pays the taxes by a different set of rules, and if I've played my cards right, DKI is incorporated in the Seychelles or Narnia or the Klingon Empire or something and owes a whopping 0.001% tax rate.

Is that "supreme selfish hypocracy," or simply an internet nerd with a good tax lawyer?



That could be used to avoid a lot of taxes, but not all. At some point, if you want to use any of that money for personal needs like food and shelter, you'll have to pay money form the corporation to yourself, either as an employee income, or some sort of dividends, and that income will be taxable.

You could play a lot of games like leasing a vehicle as a work expense, so you wouldn't need the personal income to buy it yourself, but you can't do that with every expense you have, and there are still limits as to how much of that you can do, and stay within the law.

[drkitten]

That could be used to avoid a lot of taxes, but not all. At some point, if you want to use any of that money for personal needs like food and shelter, you'll have to pay money form the corporation to yourself, either as an employee income, or some sort of dividends, and that income will be taxable.


Ah, but since DKI is registered in the Klingon Empire, money they pay me qualifies under the "foreign earned income exclusion," via the legal principle of "quia ego sic dico," and so as long as I don't earn more than $80k (US) in taxable benefits, I'm fine.


You could play a lot of games like leasing a vehicle as a work expense,

Yeah, my lawyer is really good with games.

That's my question. I don't think that I'm being immoral by wanting to reduce my tax burden by every legal method that my lawyer can dream up. But is the only moral difference the fact that my lawyer knows the law and Rob Menard doesn't?

[X]

To be fair, the idea of an individual doing business through a corporate shell is hardly new or revolutionary. If you need me to mow your lawn or to realign the dilithium crystals in your warp nacelles, you'd probably hire not me, but DRKITTEN, INC. (and make the check out to DKI), even though I would be the flesh-and-blood person pushing the mower. There are several very good reasons for doing this; it provides me with a certain degree of protection from lawsuits and, yes, tax benefits. Any of the lawyers on the thread could provide you with details at length.

Since I don't earn any money, I don't pay any taxes -- DKI pays the taxes by a different set of rules, and if I've played my cards right, DKI is incorporated in the Seychelles or Narnia or the Klingon Empire or something and owes a whopping 0.001% tax rate.

Is that "supreme selfish hypocracy," or simply an internet nerd with a good tax lawyer?


Fair point.
But how many people who aren't self-employed work for companies via an intermediary incorporation?

I think I'd raise a few eyebrows at work I said to make my cheques payable to <name redacted>, Inc.

[D'rok]

But is the only moral difference the fact that my lawyer knows the law and Rob Menard doesn't?No. Your lawyer has a professional ethical requirement to represent your interests rather than his/hers, and a fiduciary duty to properly manage your financial affairs. He/she will face professional censure if he/she does not.

Menard does precisely the converse on both counts. The only interest he represents is his own and the only financial affairs he is concerned with are his own. That is the nature of his relationship with his "clients". He runs a con, not a professional service.

[JLord]

A few years ago, Parliament/the corporate Crown enacted an amendment that made all lawyers and accountants pseudo-CRA agents, under penalty of a heavy fine for giving any meaningful advice to the Canadian people on how to avoid or escape taxation.

An amendment to what? I find it amazing that someone would make a claim like this with so little detail. Obviously nobody is penalized for giving legitimate tax advice.

Your 'help' for those caught up in the distress of the legal system reminds me of the story of a fellow who comes out of the fast food restaurant with a sack of Big Macs, double fries, and a large mikkshake. Outside is a homeless man begging, and says the the fellow. I haven't had anything to eat in 2 days. The fellow with the sack of food says to the homeless man: "I sure wish I had your will power to resist food."

Why would a lawyer helping someone with a legal problem remind of this story? In your story a man is begging for food, presumably an analogy to someone begging a lawyer for some legal assitance. And in your story he's begging for food from someone who has lots of food (including the apparently new menu item "double fries"). Presumably this would be analogous to the fact that lawyers have an abundance of "legal means" at their disposal while the person begging feels that they don't have the means. And then the lawyer says something like "I sure wish I had the ability to resist using the legal means at my disposal" presumably missing the point that the person has no such means. You must have had some unusual encounters with lawyers.

[Horatius]

Ah, but since DKI is registered in the Klingon Empire, money they pay me qualifies under the "foreign earned income exclusion," via the legal principle of "quia ego sic dico," and so as long as I don't earn more than $80k (US) in taxable benefits, I'm fine.



Well, if you say so.....:D



Yeah, my lawyer is really good with games.

That's my question. I don't think that I'm being immoral by wanting to reduce my tax burden by every legal method that my lawyer can dream up. But is the only moral difference the fact that my lawyer knows the law and Rob Menard doesn't?


I'd say, the moral difference isn't just that you know the law, but that you're willing to admit the law exists, and work within it. That's the difference between tax avoidance, using legal means, and tax evasion, using fraudulent means.

If they write the law in such a manner that it becomes fairly easy to avoid 100% of your taxes, and that becomes enough of an issue to impact their revenue, then they can simply amend the law to fix the problem. And anyone who is honestly trying to avoid taxes, within the law, would then start to pay the tax that is now owed. A tax evader would never do that, as they're already determined to ignore the law in order to secure their own profit.

Also note that legal tax avoidance usually involves some sort of additional burden on the taxpayer in place of the tax normally owed. In this case, you'd have to set up your corporation, and maintain all the legal requirements of that status. That may not be a large monetary burden for a small company, but it would require a greater investment in time and effort, as compared to just filing normal income tax.

Other legal avoidances, like charitable donations, child tax credits, and retirement savings have their own burdens. Evasion has no such burden - until caught, it's pure profit.

[Horatius]

You must have had some unusual encounters with lawyers.


I'm going to go ahead and say, "That's a safe bet."


Or at least, some lawyers have had some unusual encounters with Eldon.

[EldonG]

Seems that we have a plethora here of those who are parasites feasting on the blood of the Canadian victims of the income tax scam and extortion racket; or, we have a lot of slaves who suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.

I guess, those with pockets full of money from their feasting on the victims would make such parasites do a lot of smiling and chuckling, especially when they do it is derision against someone who would show Canadians how they are not subject to the income tax, and how to avoid the scheme that supposedly makes them liable to the predatory acts by CRA. Wonder what ever happened to conscience?

[D'rok]

Seems that we have a plethora here of those who are parasites feasting on the blood of the Canadian victims of the income tax scam and extortion racket; or, we have a lot of slaves who suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.

I guess, those with pockets full of money from their feasting on the victims would make such parasites do a lot of smiling and chuckling, especially when they do it is derision against someone who would show Canadians how they are not subject to the income tax, and how to avoid the scheme that supposedly makes them liable to the predatory acts by CRA. Wonder what ever happened to conscience?
Welcome back.

Any luck with the T4 re-assessment issue yet? Or is your system still failing miserably?

P.S. Thanks again for paying income tax. You can enjoy your health care (which I gather you need quite a bit these days) guilt free.

[Horatius]

So, Eldon, how's it coming with those totally unexpected T-4 slips? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6325069#post6325069)


ETA: D'oh'rok!

[twinstead]

From what I can see, Canadians ARE subject to the income tax, just like Americans and people in many, many other countries. Why would anybody try to convince them they aren't? That could get people in trouble.

[D'rok]

Congrats Horatius. You have exactly one minute more of a life than me. :p

[drkitten]

Seems that we have a plethora here of those who are parasites feasting on the blood of the Canadian victims of the income tax scam and extortion racket; or, we have a lot of slaves who suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.

Yeah, I can see where a forum full of Americans and Europeans would be "feasting on the blood of the Canadian victims of the income tax scam."

Because there's no possibility that a legal theory that has never in its life been the basis for a successful case could be wrong, now, is there? And there's no possibility that the people pushing this perfectly unsuccessful legal theory are the actual scammers?

[bikerdruid]

Seems that we have a plethora here of those who are parasites feasting on the blood of the Canadian victims of the income tax scam and extortion racket; or, we have a lot of slaves who suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.

I guess, those with pockets full of money from their feasting on the victims would make such parasites do a lot of smiling and chuckling, especially when they do it is derision against someone who would show Canadians how they are not subject to the income tax, and how to avoid the scheme that supposedly makes them liable to the predatory acts by CRA. Wonder what ever happened to conscience?

income tax is alreadfy deducted from my pensions cheque.
the only way i can get any back is to file.
and i always get money back. sometimes a lot.

since i paid into pension my entire working life and had no choice, you can call me a parasite if you wish.....
however, if you claim to pay no income tax....
and ever access the medical system,
or call the RCMP,
or use a passport to travel to another country,.
or accept anything form the government, ever.....you are the parasite.

[dirtywick]

EldonG, you should use all that tax money you're not paying to hire a web designer. It's like you didn't even try. I'd be embarrassed. Honestly.

[EldonG]

Welcome back.

Any luck with the T4 re-assessment issue yet? Or is your system still failing miserably?

P.S. Thanks again for paying income tax. You can enjoy your health care (which I gather you need quite a bit these days) guilt free.

It is you who are failing miserably - at your attempts to convince Canadians and Americans that they must be good obedient 'plantation slaves' and give the fruits of their labour up to the slave master - the corporate Crown of the City of London. Many are now awakening to the fact that income tax pays for NOTHING. A few likely have read the US Grace Commission Report that was written during the President Reagan era, and it certainly applies to Canada as well.

Quote from the Grace Commission Report:
"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." Unquote freecanadian.net/articles/grace.html

[EldonG]

EldonG, you should use all that tax money you're not paying to hire a web designer. It's like you didn't even try. I'd be embarrassed. Honestly.

Geee.... I'm sorry about that. Go to source, copy it, and re-design it for me will you? Since I don't charge anyone for the info I have or offer on it, I am not about spending my money of 'gussying it up' for the snooty ones, especially those who reject its info, and wish to continue to be good milk cows to the corporate Crown, the (tax) farmer - or, those who are to cowardly to fight back.

[D'rok]

It is you who are failing miserably - at your attempts to convince Canadians and Americans that they must be good obedient 'plantation slaves' and give the fruits of their labour up to the slave master - the corporate Crown of the City of London. Many are now awakening to the fact that income tax pays for NOTHING.
You didn't answer my question. Is your system still failing? Yes or no?

A few likely have read the US Grace Commission Report that was written during the President Reagan era, and it certainly applies to Canada as well.No. A US commission's report on the US federal government has precisely zero relevance to Canada.

Quote from the Grace Commission Report:
"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." Unquote freecanadian.net/articles/grace.html
This is a non sequitur. Your quoted text is an insertion into the Grace commission report by the author of that website. The Grace commission has no relevance to Canada.

All tax revenue in Canada goes into the Consolidated Revenue Fund. The costs for services are charged to this fund.

Your taxes directly pay for your health care. It is good that you have paid them throughout your working life and that you likely continue to pay them on your pension. It is also generous of you not to apply for a refund.

[drkitten]

Quote from the Grace Commission Report:

You mean the outdated, irrelevant, and long-discredited Grace Commission Report?

I'll bet you get your ideas for proper medical treatment out of 19th century snake oil advertisements, don't you?

ETA: Sorry, out of 19th century veterinary snake oil advertisements.

[EldonG]

income tax is alreadfy deducted from my pensions cheque.
the only way i can get any back is to file.
and i always get money back. sometimes a lot.

since i paid into pension my entire working life and had no choice, you can call me a parasite if you wish.....
however, if you claim to pay no income tax....
and ever access the medical system,
or call the RCMP,
or use a passport to travel to another country,.
or accept anything form the government, ever.....you are the parasite.

And, when you get your rotten bread and pig guts as your 'benefit' from your slave master, you get on your knees and say: "Thank you Massah! Youze a mighty good Massah!" Must be nice to know in your heart that you are a son of the Father in Heaven, and yet have to 'suck-hole' and 'brown-nose' some fictional entity, and those who are evil enough to operate the levers within that fictional body. What a sad diminution of your real status within this Universe. Where is that Chinese man who stood in front of the tanks on Tienanmen Square a few years ago. Are there no Canadians with that level of bravery and dedication to cause? Resistance against CRA thugs and their Communist income tax (see 2nd Plank of the Communist Manifesto - criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html ), and the Communist thugs driving those tanks would seem to be very comparable to me.

And, if you have the honesty to peruse the US GRACE COMMISSION REPORT, you will see their statement: Quote: "In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." unquote And, don't bother spewing the retort that the report only applies to the USA. You'd better believe - it applies to Canada as well.

[EldonG]

You mean the outdated, irrelevant, and long-discredited Grace Commission Report?

I'll bet you get your ideas for proper medical treatment out of 19th century snake oil advertisements, don't you?

ETA: Sorry, out of 19th century veterinary snake oil advertisements.

What sort of idiotic response is that? You make statements that cannot at all be proven with certifiable facts.

And, it seems to me that you have taken sufficient amounts of that snake oil to warp your puny mind.

[Praktik]

Good luck with that Eldon!

Having personally seen a tax avoidance scheme ruin the lives of many friends and associates I hope that you don't end up with wage garnishing and possible prison.

And I hope that you haven't convinced too many of your friends and associates with this - because sooner or later the whole ring you've established will be brought down, and you will be personally responsible for the lost homes and increased debtloads of all of them.

These things can last a while. But if they haven't caught up yet just means they're a bit behind.

The commies will get you in the end. You need to ask yourself pragmatically: I'm living in this NWO Commie Nightmare that is Canada, how do I do so the most successfully?

Willfully adding tens of thousands in debt obligations to the government and potential legal trouble doesn't seem like the wisest course to Fight The Evil Government - sounds like a good way of making yourself and anyone else who you've convinced with this BS victims of the Evil Commies.

[Praktik]

Eldon... you wouldn't happen to be Eldon Warman eh?

You can reply by PM if you don't want to reveal that publicly...

[carlitos]

Must be nice to know in your heart that you are a son of the Father in Heaven, and yet have to 'suck-hole' and 'brown-nose' some fictional entity, and those who are evil enough to operate the levers within that fictional body.
Hi EldonG,

I'm looking for clarification here. I am under the impression that the "Father in Heaven" is a fictional entity, and the government is real. I have evidence that the government exists, but none for the "Father in Heaven." Do you disagree? I can't quite follow your argument here.

Thanks!

[D'rok]

Eldon... you wouldn't happen to be Eldon Warman eh?

You can reply by PM if you don't want to reveal that publicly...Yes, he is Eldon Warman. He's made no secret of that from the beginning of this thread.

[drkitten]

What sort of idiotic response is that?

A very direct implication that the Grace Commission Report is is irrelevant, outdated, and long-discredited.

You make statements that cannot at all be proven with certifiable facts.

Yeah, like I can't prove that the tax laws and policies of the United States are different from Canada. Everyone knows that Canuckistan is really just the fifty-first state. We just let you have those pretty little play-money "dollars" because y'all can't be trusted with anything actually valuable.

[EldonG]

From what I can see, Canadians ARE subject to the income tax, just like Americans and people in many, many other countries. Why would anybody try to convince them they aren't? That could get people in trouble.

Canadians and Americans are only "SUBJECT TO" the 2nd Plank of Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto - "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax." - by their having been duped into 'slave status' by the corporate administrative Crown of the City of London, a wholly owned city/state of the Pontiff's 'FASCIST" Holy Roman Empire. As natural born men and women, there is no innate reason why a fictional corporate body has the right of domination over mankind. And, it cannot be reasoned that the majority of mankind would suffer themselves to be under such domination, if they fully understood the implications of that domination.

My son graduated from Ottawa's Carlton University 20 or so years ago. Upon graduating, he made the comment that 'There were more Communists in Carlton University than there were in Moscow, Russia. Are they now all spending their day lurking by their computers and watching this thread, which was obviously designed to debunk Eldon Warman's character and his website, www.detaxcanada,org ?? I suppose that would be an honour to me, considering the number of trolls, shills and debunkers that have occupied the postings on this thread. It certainly should prove to casual readers of this thread that Eldon Warman is truly a burr under the saddle of the 'income tax extortion racket's horse.

[Praktik]

Yes, he is Eldon Warman. He's made no secret of that from the beginning of this thread.

Hehe great!

Eldon, do you know Murray Gauvreau?

[D'rok]

My son graduated from Ottawa's Carlton University 20 or so years ago. Upon graduating, he made the comment that 'There were more Communists in Carlton University than there were in Moscow, Russia. Are they now all spending their day lurking by their computers and watching this thread, which was obviously designed to debunk Eldon Warman's character and his website, www.detaxcanada,org (http://www.detaxcanada,org) ?? I suppose that would be an honour to me, considering the number of trolls, shills and debunkers that have occupied the postings on this thread. It certainly should prove to casual readers of this thread that Eldon Warman is truly a burr under the saddle of the 'income tax extortion racket's horse.Hey, we have to earn our Red Robes somehow. The Priesthood of Isis doesn't just hand those things out, you know!

[EldonG]

A very direct implication that the Grace Commission Report is is irrelevant, outdated, and long-discredited.

Yeah, like I can't prove that the tax laws and policies of the United States are different from Canada. Everyone knows that Canuckistan is really just the fifty-first state. We just let you have those pretty little play-money "dollars" because y'all can't be trusted with anything actually valuable.

You have no argument from me on that point. A lady who now lives in Langley, BC, did some major research on the founding of the Bank of Canada that happened in the mid 1930s. She found that the Bank of Canada (central bank) was incorporated with 50,000 voting shares. Those voting shares were promptly sold to the Federal Reserve Bank of NYC, where they were stripped of the voting rights, and the then 50,000 non-voting shares were sold back to the Crown in Right of Canada, making it appear as if the Crown in Right of Canada was the owner of the Bank of Canada. The result was that the Bank of Canada was wholly put under the control of the Federal Reserve of the USA. As D. Rockefeller said, it matters not who owns a property, but who controls it.

Unfortunately, the liberal Americans and the big banksters are finding out the truth of Rockefeller's observation (paraphrased) by Obama becoming the inaugurated President of the corporate UNITED STATES. As the 'captain' of the make believe corporate ship, he is inviolate from outside attacks, either from within America, or the secret Government of the Pope above America.

If you think the destruction of the WTC was impressive, wait until Obama finishes planting all the demolition charges under the foundation of the Pope's FASCIST imposition on America, the corporate UNITED STATES and the foreign enemy and terrorist enclave, the District of Columbia.