Twoof movement - the champions of censorship

[Oystein]

In recent days, I have spend a little time commenting on videos posted on youtube by twoofers. With a few youtube members, part of the debate spilled to their or my channel / profile.

So far, 3 of them have decided to block me from making any further comments on their pages and videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarCrime911
http://www.youtube.com/user/Bernadotte01
http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STUDIES

IC911STUDIES apparently has also deleted a great number of comments both on videos and his/her channel page.


The yahoo-article that announced the AE911-webcast of yesterday is approaching 500 comments, many if not most, it seems, by truthers. You can rate comments: Truther comments general get more thumbs up than down, skeptic comments invariably get the thimb down, to the point where they are blocked because of too many bad ratings.


I again and again read about JREFers who post at LCF, ATS and other sites and immediately get banned, their posts deleted etc.


Suppose truthes formed a party and won elections. Would you feel that your freedoms, such as freedom of speech, would be kept safe?

Please share your experiences with Twoofer censorship





(Yeah I know, it is technically not censorship, as they are not government)

[Horatius]

Please share your experiences with Twoofer censorship




I got banned at one of the versions of the Loose Change forums because I kept asking why none of the members of the "Truth" movement bothered to even acknowledge that one of their truther pals had blatantly lied about something.

[beachnut]

Their ideas are delusions on 911. You have to be censored, they are the truthNAZIs. Lies are the truth to 911 truth. If they don't censor the truth, their lies will be exposed.

The only way not to get banned or blocked is to play along with the nuts. If you want to post at p4t, you have to be like the inmates, dumber than dirt. It is hard to do, but when they make you a mod at p4t, you have beat Balsamo at his own game. What a dolt.

[Miragememories]

I again and again read about JREFers who post at LCF immediately get banned, their posts deleted etc.

Please share your experiences with Twoofer censorship

(Yeah I know, it is technically not censorship, as they are not government)

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

[Disbelief]

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

I was. I answered a specific question put to me and was banned. Do you honestly believe that there is no censorship at LCF when they have a specific area to contain sceptics?

[GlennB]

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

Too funny.

[Oystein]

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

What opinion?


I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

What would be a legitimate cause - and what would not?
One truther banned me from his or her youtube channel because I claimed that one could set aluminium dust to fire with a standard gas (cigarette) lighter. Claimed that I lied when I said I have done that.

But I have. As a kid even. Just apparently not through the heat of the gas flame, but with the ignition spark of the lighter.

I basically got banned by these truthers for advancing my opinion, giving reasons, and pointing out what's wrong with theirs. Pretty much what you do here. Do you get banned when you oppose our opinions? No. You get a slap on the hand when you call me an idiot (yes, I noticed the admin warning you got for that :D). You don't get banned for that.

[Miragememories]

What opinion?




What would be a legitimate cause - and what would not?
One truther banned me from his or her youtube channel because I claimed that one could set aluminium dust to fire with a standard gas (cigarette) lighter. Claimed that I lied when I said I have done that.

But I have. As a kid even. Just apparently not through the heat of the gas flame, but with the ignition spark of the lighter.

I basically got banned by these truthers for advancing my opinion, giving reasons, and pointing out what's wrong with theirs. Pretty much what you do here. Do you get banned when you oppose our opinions? No. You get a slap on the hand when you call me an idiot (yes, I noticed the admin warning you got for that :D). You don't get banned for that.

I was speaking for the Loose Change Forum.

Any clown can start their own forum.

I suggest you only join the more respectable ones.

MM

[Horatius]

I was speaking for the Loose Change Forum.




That would be this Loose Change forum? (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/boardrules/)

Also, if you are a self-professed "skeptic", please note the following arguments will be either ignored or erased, as they have no merit:

*


* "too many people would be involved, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "all the people involved must be paid off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "you guys are still alive, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "our government is too dumb to pull this off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "our government would NEVER do this, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "screw you guys, your conspiracy is bogus"
* "you guys are all in this for the money"
* "you guys are all Bush bashers"
* "you guys are all Liberals"
* "you guys are all nuts"


On a final note, NPT theories, and support of movies like September Clues, is not allowed in any way. Planes hit the WTC. We refuse to allow that to be disputed on this forum.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I suggest you only join the more respectable ones.


Hence his membership in this forum...

[DGM]

Richard Gage had a forum for about 2 hours. He abandoned the idea because the "distractors" asking questions were getting in the way of his "research".


:rolleyes:

[Miragememories]

That would be this Loose Change forum? (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/boardrules/)
You fail to make a point.

Oh I see.

You expect children's rules like you are used to in this forum.

Sorry, a certain measure of respect for fellow members is expected in
the adult forums.

MM

[Hokulele]

Sorry, a certain measure of respect for fellow members is expected in the adult forums.


But not for their evidence-based conclusions.

[Miragememories]

Hence his membership in this forum...
My mistake.

I thought this forum was a parody of real forums?

I come here for entertainment.

MM

[Miragememories]

But not for their evidence-based conclusions.
Clearly you haven't spent enough time there.

Quality vs. quantity.

MM

[Oystein]

I was speaking for the Loose Change Forum.

Any clown can start their own forum.

I suggest you only join the more respectable ones.

MM

You replied to a post with 2 very specific questions, clearly directed at you.

You answered 0.

Pretty average twoofer performance ;)

[Disbelief]

You replied to a post with 2 very specific questions, clearly directed at you.

You answered 0.

Pretty average twoofer performance ;)

I hope you weren't expecting him to answer, as he has proven unwilling in other threads. Especially when he makes a specific claim, but won't provide evidence.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

My mistake.

I thought this forum was a parody of real forums?

I come here for entertainment.


So... not heeding your own advice. Good job.

[JihadJane]

The anti-Twoof movement - abusers of the speech-impedimented.

[Sabretooth]

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

LOL.

I got banned almost immediately, just for asking a question.

Someone had posted a story how NORAD should have had no problem having fighters intercept AA11 before it got to NYC.

I simply asked how, because the time was rather short. (yes, I was truly polite.)

I was banned within minutes of posting. It was my ONLY post.

It was just a few hours after that when I started lurking the JREF. :)

So. Thank you, LCF! ;)

[Horatius]

You fail to make a point.

Oh I see.

You expect children's rules like you are used to in this forum.

Sorry, a certain measure of respect for fellow members is expected in
the adult forums.

MM



I "fail to make a point"?

Perhaps you could explain what is "adult" about a forum that "doesn't practice censorship", while publicly declaring not only certain arguments, but also certain opinions, unwelcome and subject to automatic removal, with no consideration for any arguments that might be advanced in their favour.

While you're at it, perhaps you could compare and contrast that to the policy at this "entertainment" forum.








Oh, who am I kidding? You can't do any of that.

[Dog Town]

My mistake.

I thought this forum was a parody of real forums?

I come here for entertainment.

MM

Sadly for you, who most resembles a parody (at least we hope, you aren't this deluded). Is the entertainment!

[Unsecured Coins]

Clearly you haven't spent enough time there.

Quality vs. quantity.

MM


May 8 2009, 10:04 PM, a record 299 users were online.
There have been a total of 13 posts made in the last 24 hours


:bigclap

[Garb]

I was speaking for the Loose Change Forum.

Any clown can start their own forum.

I suggest you only join the more respectable ones.

MM

You mean like a forum whos most active moderators subscribe to the "north of Citgo" theory based on 7 witnesses? The forum that keeps all the "skeptics" to a single subforum so they may create threads to berate and challenge those who believe the official story and took the time to actually discuss the issue? The same forum whos moderators restrict and ban those who get into even the most timid of debates with "truthers"?

Yeah, respectable.

[Thunder]

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

um.....the LCF specifically states that certain statements regarding 9-11 are UNACCEPTABLE.

[Thunder]

"May 8 2009, 10:04 PM, a record 299 users were online.
There have been a total of 13 posts made in the last 24 hours"

lolololol!!!!!!!!!!

[alienentity]

LOL.

I got banned almost immediately, just for asking a question.

Someone had posted a story how NORAD should have had no problem having fighters intercept AA11 before it got to NYC.

I simply asked how, because the time was rather short. (yes, I was truly polite.)

I was banned within minutes of posting. It was my ONLY post.

It was just a few hours after that when I started lurking the JREF. :)

So. Thank you, LCF! ;)

LCF shot themselves in the bollocks - the dreadfully low number of posts on their forum is testimony to its zombie status.

[alienentity]

Oystein - I also got banned on the
http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STUDIES
channel.

Cowards. Complete sacks of elephant dung - actually, it's mean to compare them to elephant dung, at least when it composts it does something useful for the environment :)

[16.5]

You fail to make a point.Oh I see.

You expect children's rules like you are used to in this forum.

Sorry, a certain measure of respect for fellow members is expected in
the adult forums.

MM

Hee hee!

Hey MM:

Also, if you are a self-professed "skeptic", please note the following arguments will be either ignored or erased, as they have no merit:

*


* "too many people would be involved, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "all the people involved must be paid off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "you guys are still alive, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "our government is too dumb to pull this off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "our government would NEVER do this, so your conspiracy is bogus"
* "screw you guys, your conspiracy is bogus"
* "you guys are all in this for the money"
* "you guys are all Bush bashers"
* "you guys are all Liberals"
* "you guys are all nuts"

Man, you don"t get it.

eta: six posts in 24 hours, three by you. win!

[Grizzly Bear]

The only venue I've really gone into is youtube commenting.... and the only censorship I've wound up getting is a sack full of thumb downs to make the comments not show... LCF has no concept of free speech, I'm perfectly fine with being bashed and all, but the last thing I'll deal with is having irresponsible staff relegating my activity purely on the grounds that my views don't match with their own, so I exercise my right to not join.

[alienentity]

Actually, the very idea that you could even begin to compare the LCF with the JREF 9/11 conspiracy forums in terms of quality of moderation or even fairness of policies is ludicrous.

The LCF stated policy regarding what is acceptable for debate is already so blatantly unfair and police-state like, but add to this their draconian policy of herding the dreaded 'debunkers' into a ghetto on the site and you have a very poor-quality experience for proper discourse.

If it were the wonderful place that MM appears to think it is, then why is he hanging around on the JREF forums? (the question is rhetorical - honestly, who can blame him?)

I have MM on ignore btw, there isn't a subject I can think of I'd like to hear his opinion on. He has proven himself to be basically worthless in conversation.
Sorry MM, that's how I feel, and that's why LCF is a dead zone, because of the way y'all operate.

[Scott Jurgenson]

This guy is the 3rd person in the last month to block me on his youtube videos. It's hilarious. I try and shed some light on the topic explaining why his 9/11 Coincidences videos are misleading and I get blocked. Email shortly after reads...

"You are delusional if you believe this crap! I come from a country where the news in not agenda driven, you live in a country where the news is censored and the majority of you people lap up any ******** the government tells you. Explain how 3 buildings were attacked with MILITARY precision in the most protected country in the world!! You idiots will keep on towing the line, your crooked government relies on the stupidity of it's citizens, well done! Glad to never hear from you again...Bye Bye Now!"

Is this any way to have a truth movement? To completely shut out anyone who has an opposing view? Why won't they just listen to reason? Should I stop beating myself up on this?

[T.A.M.]

As has been discussed elsewhere, the need to prove their case died in 2006-2007. Since then...since their realization that (A) They do not need to prove it to most of the naives they try to convert and (B) Do not have the evidence to prove it to those who are knowledgable enough to see through them, they have decided that the promotion of the snake oil is paramount

Any attempt by the subversives (read: anyone with a grain of brains who questions their theories) to question anything "9/11 truth" is to be censored at all costs, and immediately.

TAM:)

[DGM]

This guy is the 3rd person in the last month to block me on his youtube videos. It's hilarious. I try and shed some light on the topic explaining why his 9/11 Coincidences videos are misleading and I get blocked. Email shortly after reads...

"You are delusional if you believe this crap! I come from a country where the news in not agenda driven, you live in a country where the news is censored and the majority of you people lap up any ******** the government tells you. Explain how 3 buildings were attacked with MILITARY precision in the most protected country in the world!! You idiots will keep on towing the line, your crooked government relies on the stupidity of it's citizens, well done! Glad to never hear from you again...Bye Bye Now!"

Is this any way to have a truth movement? To completely shut out anyone who has an opposing view? Why won't they just listen to reason? Should I stop beating myself up on this?
I'd email him back and tell him to get his facts straight, it's "toe" the line.



:rolleyes:

[Oystein]

See http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=185231

[T.A.M.]

I am gonna suggest to the mods we merge this thread with the other one.

TAM:)

[Scott Jurgenson]

Yeah sorry I was enraged didn't read further down.

Merge away.

[Scott Jurgenson]

We should just start a collection of youtuber douchery :)

[Oystein]

I am gonna suggest to the mods we merge this thread with the other one.

TAM:)

Did ya?

[beachnut]

We should just start a collection of youtuber douchery :)
What super country was the gullible 911 truth cult member from?

[ozeco41]

(quoting the truther) "...You idiots will keep on towing the line, ..."
We need a graphic for that one - seems a common bit of illiteracy with truthers. :rolleyes:

[NYCEMT86]

We need a graphic for that one - seems a common bit of illiteracy with truthers. :rolleyes:

http://dog-games-shop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/480x/602f0fa2c1f0d1ba5e241f914e856ff9/t/o/towing500.jpg

I cant post pictures from my iPhone so I hope this helps

[grandmastershek]

Don't believe everything you read.

Try backing up your opinions with evidence.

I have been an LCF member for a long time and don't any recall posts being deleted, or members being banned without legitimate cause.

MM

More like people who should be banned didn't get it. Like the guy who threatened Gravy and Dylan provided information to find him. Therefore Dylan and the guy should have been banned.

And yes, I have experience with truther pages censoring dissent. IC9111S, WACLA, WACNY, WACU

[ozeco41]

http://dog-games-shop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/480x/602f0fa2c1f0d1ba5e241f914e856ff9/t/o/towing500.jpg

I cant post pictures from my iPhone so I hope this helps

Thank you.

http://conleys.com.au/webstuff/towing500.jpg

[dafydd]

My mistake.

I thought this forum was a parody of real forums?

I come here for entertainment.

MM

So do I,because of people like you.Priceless,keep it up.

[beachnut]

911 truth groups have to censor information, or their followers might gain reality based knowledge and leave the movement.

[T.A.M.]

More like people who should be banned didn't get it. Like the guy who threatened Gravy and Dylan provided information to find him. Therefore Dylan and the guy should have been banned.

And yes, I have experience with truther pages censoring dissent. IC9111S, WACLA, WACNY, WACU

Loose Change still has a forum? Really?

Wow...old habits die hard I guess.

TAM:)

[sheeplesnshills]

I got banned from even looking at the P4T forum for just showing the errors in CITs fantasy and adding details with pictures of other non NOC witnesses.
Likewise I got kicked from 911oz for doing the same thing.

Truthers are only interested in their version of the "truth":mad:

[Miragememories]

I got banned from even looking at the P4T forum for just showing the errors in CITs fantasy and adding details with pictures of other non NOC witnesses.
Likewise I got kicked from 911oz for doing the same thing.

Truthers are only interested in their version of the "truth":mad:
Truthers are interested in undistorted truth.

Show us the post(s) that got you banned and I'm sure it'll be easy to see why.

MM

[BigAl]

Truthers are interested in undistorted truth.

Show us the post(s) that got you banned and I'm sure it'll be easy to see why.

MM

So you advocate censorship but criticize others for it?

[DGM]

So you advocate censorship but criticize others for it?
Only if you sensor out the bad stuff!

:rolleyes:

[Macgyver1968]

I got "temporarily" suspended on the CIT forum....until 2032....no lie. :)

[Miragememories]

So you advocate censorship but criticize others for it?
Being banned from posting for agreeing to rules of decorum and then violating them is not censorship.

MM

[BigAl]

Being banned from posting for agreeing to rules of decorum and then violating them is not censorship.

MM

Is making factual statements and being willing to back them up precluded in the TOS?

[Bell]

I got banned from even looking at the P4T forum for just showing the errors in CITs fantasy and adding details with pictures of other non NOC witnesses.
Likewise I got kicked from 911oz for doing the same thing.

Truthers are only interested in their version of the "truth":mad:

I got banned from the PfffT forums before I made my first post.

Hi cappy Rob! It's Bell JREF Troll :)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I got banned from one of the Loose Change forums for calling out Dylan over his silence about the delay of Loose Change: Final Cut, even going so far as to suggest that his flock deserved some kind of explanation. One post, less than two minutes...

Show us the post(s) that got you banned and I'm sure it'll be easy to see why.


Pretty odd request when he clearly stated that he can no longer even view the forum.

[Macgyver1968]

Being banned from posting for agreeing to rules of decorum and then violating them is not censorship.

MM

I never broke any rules....and the administration changed my username from "Macgyver1968" to "Mitch the Bitch" after my suspension. Really mature.

[sheeplesnshills]

Truthers are interested in undistorted truth.

Show us the post(s) that got you banned and I'm sure it'll be easy to see why.

MM

As I said I cannot even look at the forum anymore. Balsammo is really into tracking down IPs and blocking them (I'll have a try again and see what I can find on P4T and 911oz if its still there). Both tolerate appalling behavior and language from "believers" but will quickly move to block then eject anyone that questions what they assert.

I'm signing up with loose change today to see whats its like:)

[Grizzly Bear]

There's a big reason why I don't join forums like loose change. Any forum whos' policy is to restrict somebody's posting privileges to one section of a forum purely on the basis that their positions disagree with the forum's main audience isn't free speech. Far more than that, but the above is justification enough that I won't waste my time.

[Dog Town]

My all time fave, was being banned for asking "Do Over" about the FBI, and JB's frat web page issues, he claimed were occurring. Classic!
Erased in seconds!1100lololo!!!!!

[Dog Town]

Show us the post(s) that got you banned and I'm sure it'll be easy to see why.

MM

You are freaken funny! LCF is into erasing dissent. The moron JFK, is a sad statement on humanity. Would have done well in Stalin's back pocket! Pathetic!


GOT NO PLANERS? Or REALITY? Pffftttt...

[sheeplesnshills]

As I said I cannot even look at the forum anymore. Balsammo is really into tracking down IPs and blocking them (I'll have a try again and see what I can find on P4T and 911oz if its still there). Both tolerate appalling behavior and language from "believers" but will quickly move to block then eject anyone that questions what they assert.

I'm signing up with loose change today to see whats its like:)


ROTFLOL I posted this:

Mr Morin is a SOC witness or no witness at all................

Posted Image
http://s643.photobucket.c...agonandcitgoannotated.jpg

The red line indicates the CIT north of the Citgo routing. Mr Morin describes himself as being about ten feet into the middle leg of the Navy Annex and that the plane passed over his head. he said he ran out and watched it fly down and collide with the Pentagon. As you can see from the above the plane must have flown either close along the edge of the navy annex and parallel with it or even further out over Columbia pike for him to have done so.

If it had really taken the CT supposed route north of the Citgo he would have seen nothing after it passed over his head as the navy annex ( a four floor high and blocks long building) would have blocked his line of sight.

That leaves two options.

a) he is lying about what he saw which means his entire account is suspect. We could not rely on his speed estimate nor his account of the aircraft going over his head. In that event he is no longer a witness to anything.

b) He is just a little mistaken. What he may have thought was the plane going over his head may simply have been its SHADOW. It actually was flying over Columbia Pike (you can look at google earth and you can see that the Pike is east of the Navy annex and that time of the morning the sun would not have been that high in the sky. He turned and ran to the end of the street and would have seen the aircraft already past the end of the annex and drop down and probably just out of his sight as it hit the Pentagon. If it had gone over the top and pulled hard right (as it would have had to do for Roosevelt Roberts to see it) it would have pulled clear of the smoke and been very visible against the skyline.


Mr Morin says quite clearly it was close to the edge of the navy annex with its wing sticking out. The interviewer asks him if it was on the south side and he says no but that does not mean it was way to the north as assumed by the makers. In fact as I have shown Mr Morin could only have seen it IF it was on the edge of the navy annex or over Columbia Pike.


and within 5 hours I get this reply...........

Yeah, we get it... ALL the other eyewitnesses are lying ( in your eyes ).

You shall now be confined to the skeptics section since obviously you are one.


http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3083747/10/?x=0#post462682


So much for wanting the truth.":rolleyes:

They are so scared of the real truth they won't even debate the simplest of points in a Truther assertion.

[Childlike Empress]

You received the proper response. Even if the excuse you've found to convince yourself that Morin doesn't describe what he obviously did would be valid, then Morin would simply contradict all the other witnesses who describe the same as he does: that the plane flew over the annex.

You are free to believe what you want, but don't expect people to allow you on their own soil to waste their time with your discomposed denial.

[triforcharity]

Point made. Enough said.

[Childlike Empress]

Point made. Enough said.


Indeed.

[Hokulele]

You are free to believe what you want, but don't expect people to allow you on their own soil to waste their time with your discomposed denial.


Which is pretty much the definition of censorship.

[Bell]

Which is pretty much the definition of censorship.

Is that not what the truthers constantly cry about the evil government and MSM are doing? :rolleyes:

[NutCracker]

You received the proper response. Even if the excuse you've found to convince yourself that Morin doesn't describe what he obviously did would be valid, then Morin would simply contradict all the other witnesses who describe the same as he does: that the plane flew over the annex.

You are free to believe what you want, but don't expect people to allow you on their own soil to waste their time with your discomposed denial.


Thank you for explaining 9/11 Truth is a cult.

[sheeplesnshills]

You received the proper response. Even if the excuse you've found to convince yourself that Morin doesn't describe what he obviously did would be valid, then Morin would simply contradict all the other witnesses who describe the same as he does: that the plane flew over the annex.

You are free to believe what you want, but don't expect people to allow you on their own soil to waste their time with your discomposed denial.


Mr Morin probably did see exactly what he describes but in that case he is a SOC witness as he cannot possibly have seen the plane fly down to and hit the pentagon otherwise. This not opinion, it is fact because the Navy Annex prevents anything else.
If CIT want to drop him as a witness, thats fine with me, just they can no longer plausibly claim him as a NOC witness. His is one of the few witnessses in the CIT story that can be definitively shown to have witnessed a SOC flightpath. By continuing to deny that they just call into question all their statements.

Please, if you see any inaccuracy in what I posted, let me know.

[TexasJack]

I didn't realize that LC was now a no-planer forum.

It's a funny place, you can give well-reasoned arguments and get banished to the unworthy section. Yet, if you post rubbish like Bush is going to start dropping nukes, declare martial law, and suspend the elections, you're considered normal.

I would say that LCF is a cross between Animal Farm and Animal House.

[Childlike Empress]

Mr Morin probably did see exactly what he describes but in that case he is a SOC witness as he cannot possibly have seen the plane fly down to and hit the pentagon otherwise. This not opinion, it is fact because the Navy Annex prevents anything else.
If CIT want to drop him as a witness, thats fine with me, just they can no longer plausibly claim him as a NOC witness. His is one of the few witnessses in the CIT story that can be definitively shown to have witnessed a SOC flightpath. By continuing to deny that they just call into question all their statements.

Please, if you see any inaccuracy in what I posted, let me know.


This was explained over and over again, in general and to you. If you were interested in the answer, you would have found it by now - for example on CITs forum, which is for research, not discussion purposes. The 911oz forum, btw, is still full of (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=35) anti-CIT posts, so if they banned you it certainly wasn't because of the topic.

After years and years of sock puppet armies with deaf ears and mean attitudes disrupting those places, they have every right to show you the door.

[Brainster]

I'm one of the rare 2006-vintage debunkers who was never banned from the Loose Change Forums. Rather, I was suspended the first day I joined (for three months) and only posted once after the suspension ended in response to a direct request by Dylan.

I was actually IP banned over at 9-11 Blogger for about 6 months so that I had to use a proxy server to see the site. I'm not sure if they lifted the ban intentionally or not, and not about to test their current hospitality by posting a blog or a comment.

I was banned from the chatroom at Truth Action. And I note that inappropriately named 911debunkers blog does not allow comments from anybody but their own members.

[Bell]

I was ASKED to leave the LC forums :boggled:

[Childlike Empress]

I'm one of the rare 2006-vintage debunkers who was never banned from the Loose Change Forums. Rather, I was suspended the first day I joined (for three months) and only posted once after the suspension ended in response to a direct request by Dylan.

I was actually IP banned over at 9-11 Blogger for about 6 months so that I had to use a proxy server to see the site. I'm not sure if they lifted the ban intentionally or not, and not about to test their current hospitality by posting a blog or a comment.

I was banned from the chatroom at Truth Action. And I note that inappropriately named 911debunkers blog does not allow comments from anybody but their own members.


Pat, funny you show up! Yesterday i payed my occasional visit to your charming little blog and found this comment thread (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27396589&postID=2017186194057299612). Hell, what's going on there? With the (every) amount of foul language (be warned visitors) you allow over there, i wonder what all those deleted posts may have contained? :eek:

Yep, I'm deleting OT posts. If a truther wants to discuss the actual post, I will let the comment stand. But if they want to spam the comments section with quotes from three years ago, eff 'em.

14 September, 2010 00:47


Gotta love your audience, Pat - it's of course the "troofers" fault, they figure:

Aweeee.... did the troofer's comments get deleted? Bet they wish they kept their name-calling ******** to themselves now. Well, congrats, troofers. You've caused this blog to be as moderated as your ******** sites.

Post something of substance, or STFU.

13 September, 2010 18:16


Tsk Tsk. :D

[Hokulele]

And now a tu quoque. How surprising...

[Oystein]

Ooh, JFK found me out at LCG, going off-topic on a thread that discusses smoke puffs just before (actually after) the second hit, to quote my OP here:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3788017/1/#new

oystein from JERF

I again and again read about JREFers who post at LCF, ATS and other sites and immediately get banned, their posts deleted etc.



The only posts which are deleted here are the ones made by porntards...
Are you one of them and do you miss those posts ?

Also notice that you are not banned... or confined to the skeptics section ?

:D

So I guess he'll be careful with me, lest he feeds the flames :p

[Oystein]

Oh, and folks, please talk about Mr Morin and the south/north of Citgo business elsewhere.

This here is about truthers habitually deleting and banning debunkers (and the vice versa of course is also on topic here).

[Garb]

Truthers are interested in undistorted truth.

That is the exact opposite of CIT.

[waypastvne]

Oystein you should to add displacement of the building into your argument. There are lots of reports of the building swaying on impact. I did a quick calculation: if the building swayed 10 ft to the north it would have to displace 1352000 cubic feet of air. On its return and 8 ft past center to the south it would leave a 2433600 cu ft vacuum in its wake that would need to be filled rather quickly. This to me is the most likely cause of the puff of smoke in the video.

[beachnut]

You received the proper response. Even if the excuse you've found to convince yourself that Morin doesn't describe what he obviously did would be valid, then Morin would simply contradict all the other witnesses who describe the same as he does: that the plane flew over the annex.

You are free to believe what you want, but don't expect people to allow you on their own soil to waste their time with your discomposed denial.
All CIT witnesses are point to the south flight path, as is Morin. CIT censors the truth by being stupid. RADAR points to the south flight path, but that is censored by CIT.

All CIT witnesses say 77 impacted the Pentagon. That is censored by CIT.

Can't have the truth show up at delusional forums where lies and hearsay rule.

[Miragememories]

All CIT witnesses are point to the south flight path, as is Morin. CIT censors the truth by being stupid. RADAR points to the south flight path, but that is censored by CIT.

All CIT witnesses say 77 impacted the Pentagon. That is censored by CIT.

Can't have the truth show up at delusional forums where lies and hearsay rule.
The CIT present an excellent witness-based case for a north flight path which reveals the south flightpath evidence fakery.

MM

[Oystein]

Oh, and folks, please talk about Mr Morin and the south/north of Citgo business elsewhere.

This here is about truthers habitually deleting and banning debunkers (and the vice versa of course is also on topic here).

bumped for MM and beachnut

[Miragememories]

bumped for MM and beachnut
Oh sorry Oystein.

I thought the thread was dead since you failed to prove your case.

MM

[dc1971]

Suppose truthes formed a party and won elections. Would you feel that your freedoms, such as freedom of speech, would be kept safe?



They have formed a party. It's called the Tea Party.

[Garb]

The CIT present an excellent witness-based case for a north flight path which reveals the south flightpath evidence fakery.

MM

They provide seven (maybe more as of late?) witnesses to prove their theory. They hand-wave the physical damage, plane parts, and witness testimony citing a plane crash as if all of those were faked.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and
104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

So which one has more evidence, MM?

[BigAl]

The CIT present an excellent witness-based case for a north flight path which reveals the south flightpath evidence fakery.

MM

Which is shown to be silly by the fact that there are hundreds of eyewitnesses to the fact that all of the airplane, all the bodies and the two black boxes were found crashed into the Pentagon and radar data consistent with that.

[sheeplesnshills]

[QUOTE=Childlike Empress;6349984]This was explained over and over again, in general and to you. If you were interested in the answer, you would have found it by now - for example on CITs forum, which is for research, not discussion purposes."

No, not once has anyone explained how Mr Morin could have seen the plane fly down to the pentagon unless it was SOC. He is either lying or CIT are misrepresenting what he said. The google earth picture clearly shows the Navy Annex would block any NOC fightpath from his vision.



"The 911oz forum, btw, is still full of (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=35) anti-CIT posts, so if they banned you it certainly wasn't because of the topic."

I suspect it was because I was simply pointing out with clear graphics that CIT were misrepresenting what the witnesses saw and that there were many other witnesses they simply ignored. Its not as if Mr Morin was the only fault in the CIT video.

After years and years of sock puppet armies with deaf ears and mean attitudes disrupting those places, they have every right to show you the door.


As we would have the right to show you the door but yet still you are here.....I guess that tell us who has the moral high ground here:)

[T.A.M.]

MM is a CIT believer...lol, OMG...I knew he was "out there" in terms of his 9/11 beliefs, but a CIT believer...REALLY?

TAM:D

[Cl1mh4224rd]

MM is a CIT believer...lol, OMG...I knew he was "out there" in terms of his 9/11 beliefs, but a CIT believer...REALLY?


Possibly. He may also simply be in "defensive mode", where he feels the need to defend any insanity from the various 9/11 Truth Movement factions. He's been on the defense this entire thread and, much like many truthers, just doesn't know when to quit.

Anyway... Miragememories, since you seem to have willingly taken on the role of apologist for all Truth Movement forums, perhaps you can offer your best politician-like spin on the following situation:

I got banned from the PfffT forums before I made my first post.

[Grizzly Bear]

You received the proper response.

I'll be a little kinder than most...
The proper response, if anything would have been to move the "offending" posts of threads into their little skeptics forum. That is afterall their own policy being mostly about their conspiracy theme. Unappealing, but I'd totally be fine with it if it were just that. Restricting a member to one section of a forum... I call that irresponsible at the very best, and their TOS concerning even whackier theories though amusing, is quite disturbing.

[Childlike Empress]

[delete - wrong thread]

[Oystein]

Whoohooo I am now made a pariah on LCF - quarantined to "Skeptics"! :cool:

[Miragememories]

Whoohooo I am now made a pariah on LCF - quarantined to "Skeptics"! :cool:

I'm sure you were hoping to goad the moderators into banning you.

Clearly your intention was to present an anti-9/11 Truth position.

The LCF has always maintained a clear policy of confining closed-minded and confrontational members to the skeptics sub forum.

You are not in isolation. That forum often generates a great deal of discussion when the topic is well presented.

MM

[triforcharity]

MM,

If we did the same thing over here, that LCF does over there, you would be crying for days and days, every single day, that we censor people, and try to stifle the debate.

You know you would, as would every single truther out there.

[beachnut]

I'm sure you were hoping to goad the moderators into banning you.

Clearly your intention was to present an anti-9/11 Truth position.

The LCF has always maintained a clear policy of confining closed-minded and confrontational members to the skeptics sub forum.

You are not in isolation. That forum often generates a great deal of discussion when the topic is well presented.

MM
You are a CIT believer? The fly over and 11.2g Balsamo idiot math and physics?

Balsamo is the biggest fraud, he censors and keeps all rational posters in a ghetto to keep their reality away from his moronic claptrap and idiotic delusions.

When will you join reality?

[Oystein]

I'm sure you were hoping to goad the moderators into banning you.

Clearly your intention was to present an anti-9/11 Truth position.

The LCF has always maintained a clear policy of confining closed-minded and confrontational members to the skeptics sub forum.

You are not in isolation. That forum often generates a great deal of discussion when the topic is well presented.

MM

I couldn't make my point better than you do: It is a matter of policy at LCF that opinions contrary to a canon of orthodoxy (thanks, CE) will not be tolerated and will be purged from the main body of the forum.

I have no doubt that the skeptics sub forum generates a great deal of discussion when the topic is well presented. It definitely is the ONLY subforum there where topics CAN be well presented.
All the other sub-forums are obviously devoted to preserving lies.

[Miragememories]

MM,

If we did the same thing over here, that LCF does over there, you would be crying for days and days, every single day, that we censor people, and try to stifle the debate.

You know you would, as would every single truther out there.
Hardly.

I've always considered this subforum to be a Skeptics subforum.

At least at LCF they enforce a more mature level of behavior.

From all appearances, fart jokes are still popular here.

MM

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

At least at LCF they enforce a more mature level of behavior.

MM

They're not "mature" if they continue to ban people for having an opinion that's different from their own. Those "people" at LCF are just a bunch of punk kids.

[GlennB]

Hardly.

I've always considered this subforum to be a Skeptics subforum.

At least at LCF they enforce a more mature level of behavior.

From all appearances, fart jokes are still popular here.

MM

What world are you living in?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3645394/1/

check post #2. This is from a LCF admin.

Note - contains foul language

[Dave Rogers]

What world are you living in?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3645394/1/

check post #2. This is from a LCF admin.

Note - contains foul language

Yes, but it's unlikely that MirageMemories ever read that particular thread.

Oh, wait. Look at post #4.

Dave

[fess]

Yes, but it's unlikely that MirageMemories ever read that particular thread.

Oh, wait. Look at post #4.

Dave

He was just displaying his intellect. :)

[Sabretooth]

LOL.

I got banned almost immediately, just for asking a question.

Someone had posted a story how NORAD should have had no problem having fighters intercept AA11 before it got to NYC.

I simply asked how, because the time was rather short. (yes, I was truly polite.)

I was banned within minutes of posting. It was my ONLY post.

It was just a few hours after that when I started lurking the JREF. :)

So. Thank you, LCF! ;)


I see you completely ignored my post, MM. No answer for this one, eh?

Why not search my username over at LCF and see what I actually said and post your findings?

[Dog Town]

the lcf has always maintained a clear policy of confining closed-minded and confrontational members to the skeptics sub forum.



Stundied!

[Miragememories]

They're not "mature" if they continue to ban people for having an opinion that's different from their own. Those "people" at LCF are just a bunch of punk kids.
You would certainly no a lot more about that kind of behavior than me.

In case you failed to take note, Oystein was not banned.

MM

[Bell]

You would certainly no a lot more about that kind of behavior than me.

In case you failed to take note, Oystein was not banned.

MM

When did LCF revert their banning of the whole of Germany?

[Oystein]

You would certainly no a lot more about that kind of behavior than me.

In case you failed to take note, Oystein was not banned.

MM

I was in fact banned from all but 1 subforum of LCF.

We may call that subforum "The Skeptics Ghetto".
Surely a person shipped off to a ghetto has been banned.

[Miragememories]

What world are you living in?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3645394/1/

check post #2. This is from a LCF admin.

Note - contains foul language
OMG

Consider the context man!

It was a very human response to "the names of the Representatives (Republican AND Democrat) who turned their backs on all 9/11 responders".

And you object to foul language?

You are truly sick to take offense at that response given the issue.

Unbelievable.

Anything to win a point.

Talk about immaturity.

MM

[Oystein]

When did LCF revert their banning of the whole of Germany?

CE told me her part of Germany is banned. Which is not far from my part.
But my IP is not banned.
Don't know why.

[Miragememories]

Yes, but it's unlikely that MirageMemories ever read that particular thread.

Oh, wait. Look at post #4.

Dave
Typical kneejerk response Dave.

I suppose your all for crapping on the health of the first responders?

Unbelievable hypocrisy here.

If anything, that thread is a classic example of what makes LCF a quality forum.

MM

[Miragememories]

I see you completely ignored my post, MM. No answer for this one, eh?

Why not search my username over at LCF and see what I actually said and post your findings?
Provide me with a link and I'll provide you with a comment.

MM

[Miragememories]

When did LCF revert their banning of the whole of Germany?
You make no sense.

One of the most esteemed members of LCF, NK-44, is from Germany.

MM

[Thunder]

If anything, that thread is a classic example of what makes LCF a quality forum.


quality forums do not announce which peaceful and honest arguments will NOT be tolerated.

[Sabretooth]

Provide me with a link and I'll provide you with a comment.

MM

What part of "banned" do you not understand?

I can even view the LCF main page...I'M BANNED!

My username was the same as here. Go search the LCF forum for post with my name...I only made ONE post, so it should be easy to find...

[Miragememories]

quality forums do not announce which peaceful and honest arguments will NOT be tolerated.

I agree.

Peaceful and honest arguments should always be tolerated.

In that case I guess JREF has no need of moderators.

Too funny.

MM

[Miragememories]

What part of "banned" do you not understand?

I can even view the LCF main page...I'M BANNED!

My username was the same as here. Go search the LCF forum for post with my name...I only made ONE post, so it should be easy to find...
Are you that intellectually challenged that you cannot provide a link to the offending post?

MM

[Miragememories]

CE told me her part of Germany is banned. Which is not far from my part.
But my IP is not banned.
Don't know why.
So it is BS.

Lies are so easily manufactured in this forum.

There is so little accountability.

MM

[Oystein]

What part of "banned" do you not understand?

I can even view the LCF main page...I'M BANNED!

My username was the same as here. Go search the LCF forum for post with my name...I only made ONE post, so it should be easy to find...

No, it can't be searched, and is not shown in your profile.

[Bell]

So it is BS.

Lies are so easily manufactured in this forum.

There is so little accountability.

MM

Why is the region where CE is from banned from LCF?

[Oystein]

Are you that intellectually challenged that you cannot provide a link to the offending post?

MM

Are you intellectually challenged that you don't understand the meaning of the word BANNED?

[DGM]

So it is BS.

Lies are so easily manufactured in this forum.

There is so little accountability.

MM
This goes back awhile. They wanted to ban one poster (and a sock or two) and banned most of Germany in the process. I think Bell meant it as a joke.

[Oystein]

So it is BS.

Lies are so easily manufactured in this forum.

There is so little accountability.

MM

Lies? Who lied? What was the lie?

[Bell]

This goes back awhile. They wanted to ban one poster (and a sock or two) and banned most of Germany in the process. I think Bell meant it as a joke.

Partly. But still...

MM, do you agree with LCF banning most of Germany?

[Childlike Empress]

CE told me her part of Germany is banned.


That's not what i told you and i would appreciate if you would ask me before you repeat content of private messages, and if so, be exact.

Miragememories, Bell was referring to an event that took place in 2006 or 2007 when the LCF forum blocked not whole Germany, but the IP range of the major german ISP to stop Oliver and his sock puppets.

Sunday evening i told Oystein, with whom i had a casual PM exchange over the last time, about this old story, because i thought he was banned from the LCF. Reason was that i couldn't access it since Sunday evening, after i read a few posts there following Oysteins link earlier in this thread. Got this message:

Your access to this board has been blocked by the administration.


Remembering the old story, i thought they blocked me with Oystein (i'm not too far away from him and may use the same ISP). I told him that i can't access it (not that my part of Germany is banned, Oystein!), but also told him that that happened before and may just be a coincidence, after he told me he was skeptified and still could access it.

Two hours or so ago i was still blocked. I had the same IP-adress since Sunday. I just disconnected and got a new one - and now the LCF is back again.

So yes, maybe JFK blocked the wrong German.

[Miragememories]

Partly. But still...

MM, do you agree with LCF banning most of Germany?
Your kidding right?

MM

[Miragememories]

That's not what i told you and i would appreciate if you would ask me before you repeat content of private messages, and if so, be exact.

Miragememories, Bell was referring to an event that took place in 2006 or 2007 when the LCF forum blocked not whole Germany, but the IP range of the major german ISP to stop Oliver and his sock puppets.

Sunday evening i told Oystein, with whom i had a casual PM exchange over the last time, about this old story, because i thought he was banned from the LCF. Reason was that i couldn't access it since Sunday evening, after i read a few posts there following Oysteins link earlier in this thread. Got this message:




Remembering the old story, i thought they blocked me with Oystein (i'm not too far away from him and may use the same ISP). I told him that i can't access it (not that my part of Germany is banned, Oystein!), but also told him that that happened before and may just be a coincidence, after he told me he was skeptified and still could access it.

Two hours or so ago i was still blocked. I had the same IP-adress since Sunday. I just disconnected and got a new one - and now the LCF is back again.

So yes, maybe JFK blocked the wrong German.

Sorry if that happened to you CE.

You can use me for a reference anytime.

MM

[DGM]

Sorry if that happened to you CE.

You can use me for a reference anytime.

MM
That's right, your a "top ten poster" today. You had one post. Not exactly a got bed of activity over there anymore.

:rolleyes:

[Miragememories]

That's right, your a "top ten poster" today. You had one post. Not exactly a got bed of activity over there any more.

:rolleyes:
Unlike here in JREFLand, it is quality and not quantity that counts at LCF.

MM

[Disbelief]

So it is BS.

Lies are so easily manufactured in this forum.

There is so little accountability.

MM

Says an expert on the subject. Figure out that freefall in CDs yet?

[Oystein]

That's not what i told you and i would appreciate if you would ask me before you repeat content of private messages, and if so, be exact.

Miragememories, Bell was referring to an event that took place in 2006 or 2007 when the LCF forum blocked not whole Germany, but the IP range of the major german ISP to stop Oliver and his sock puppets.

Sunday evening i told Oystein, with whom i had a casual PM exchange over the last time, about this old story, because i thought he was banned from the LCF. Reason was that i couldn't access it since Sunday evening, after i read a few posts there following Oysteins link earlier in this thread. Got this message:




Remembering the old story, i thought they blocked me with Oystein (i'm not too far away from him and may use the same ISP). I told him that i can't access it (not that my part of Germany is banned, Oystein!), but also told him that that happened before and may just be a coincidence, after he told me he was skeptified and still could access it.

Two hours or so ago i was still blocked. I had the same IP-adress since Sunday. I just disconnected and got a new one - and now the LCF is back again.

So yes, maybe JFK blocked the wrong German.

Yes, you made that mental connection "LCF put a wide ban on German internet users before" and "I am banned now, despite not personally being targeted" and "maybe Oystein was banned" and "we are geographically close, in the same part of Germany".
A casual summary would be "CE thinks there is a ban on users in a certain region of Germany".

Assuming you did not change your ISP and also not your geographical region, your being "banned" yesterday is best explained by LCF still enforcing an anonymous ban on some IPs issued by your, German, ISP. Or maybe on IPs identifiable by geographic region in Germany.

"just a coincidence"? Hardly.
Ask the guys at LCF. There are no coincidences ^^

[DGM]

Unlike here in JREFLand, it is quality and not quantity that counts at LCF.

MM
Yeah... that was some quality stuff I saw a few posts back.




:eek:

[Oystein]

Sorry if that happened to you CE.

You can use me for a reference anytime.

MM

So how do you explain that CE appeared to be "banned" from LCF the other day?

[Childlike Empress]

So how do you explain that CE appeared to be "banned" from LCF the other day?


If i'd have had clear evidence of any malfeasance i may have posted it. As we now established, changing the IP helped. I don't recall if i changed IP between sunday afternoon and evening. It's possible that that single dynamic IP at my popular ISP was blocked long ago for reasons completely unrelated. There are other explanations.

But maybe someone blocked the wrong German. Doesn't change the fact that openly sharing information about when or why i change my IP address or can or cannot access certain websites is entirely up to me, Oystein. You have shown that you are not a trustworthy person.

[Miragememories]

So how do you explain that CE appeared to be "banned" from LCF the other day?
Appearances can be deceiving.

MM

[triforcharity]

Hardly.

I've always considered this subforum to be a Skeptics subforum.

At least at LCF they enforce a more mature level of behavior.

From all appearances, fart jokes are still popular here.

MM

So, you want me to believe that if we had a seperate forum for idiots, aka truthers, you wouldn't pitch a fit? I bet you also want to sell me a bridge too eh?

[Sabretooth]

Are you that intellectually challenged that you cannot provide a link to the offending post?

MM

holy spit, dude...

I'm B A N N E D

I can't even access the main page of LCF, let alone search for the post I'm referring to. So HTF am I supposed to post a link??

Take the fingers out of your ears for a few minutes and search my username on LCF.

Or just tell me that you're not going to bother because it would constitute [more] proof that LCF is a ball of ****.

[Miragememories]

So, you want me to believe that if we had a seperate forum for idiots, aka truthers, you wouldn't pitch a fit? I bet you also want to sell me a bridge too eh?
Oh I'm sorry.

This isn't the forum represented by a majority of OCT idiots?

I'm here because I heard it had 24/7 visiting hours and visits were
considered therapeutical.

MM

[Miragememories]

holy spit, dude...

I'm B A N N E D

I can't even access the main page of LCF, let alone search for the post I'm referring to. So HTF am I supposed to post a link??

Take the fingers out of your ears for a few minutes and search my username on LCF.

Or just tell me that you're not going to bother because it would constitute [more] proof that LCF is a ball of ****.
Your name does not show up under a search.

Too bad you don't keep records.

I do.

MM

[alienentity]

holy spit, dude...

I'm B A N N E D

I can't even access the main page of LCF, let alone search for the post I'm referring to. So HTF am I supposed to post a link??

Take the fingers out of your ears for a few minutes and search my username on LCF.

Or just tell me that you're not going to bother because it would constitute [more] proof that LCF is a ball of ****.

Couldn't find your name in a search.....

[Sabretooth]

Couldn't find your name in a search.....

balls.

Do they just wipe out your name completely once your banned?

[alienentity]

balls.

Do they just wipe out your name completely once your banned?

No idea

[carlitos]

CE is worried about people knowing when or why he changes IP addresses, and MM "keeps records" about internet forum activity? What kind of scary world do these people inhabit?

[Sabretooth]

Couldn't find your name in a search.....

Screenshot of what I see...just so y'all know I'm not going crazy...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_424124c993da2a447b.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=21117)

[TexasJack]

CE is worried about people knowing when or why he changes IP addresses, and MM "keeps records" about internet forum activity? What kind of scary world do these people inhabit?

I guess that is what happens when you live in a world of paranoia.

[Oystein]

Your name does not show up under a search.

Too bad you don't keep records.

I do.

MM

Wrong. It does. Try again.

[Chuck Guiteau]

Truthers are interested in undistorted truth.


MM
Funny, I thought you were only interested in promoting your distorted version of the truth.
If you really believe what you wrote, why haven't you posted a technically viable theory consistent with the known facts of 9/11 along with the evidence you claimed to possess? It's the one thing above all else that would justify the post I just quoted, and yet every time you're asked you run away like a little girl.
I think a more accurate statement from you would be, " Truthers are interested in frightened to death of undistorted truth."

Now run along and hide, Susie.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

LCF's "Skeptics Forum" (or whatever it's called) = "Free Speech Zones". We know how well that concept sits...

[Oystein]

balls.

Do they just wipe out your name completely once your banned?

Here's what I find:

I clicked on "Members" and searched for sabretooth47, finding one member
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_368864c9942203e48e.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=21118)

Opened your profile, and picked the Profile Options - List Member's Posts option

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We see that you have 1 Post total

There, I could list posts made in August and September, but found none:

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[Sabretooth]

Here's what I find:

I clicked on "Members" and searched for sabretooth47, finding one member
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Opened your profile, and picked the Profile Options - List Member's Posts option

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We see that you have 1 Post total

There, I could list posts made in August and September, but found none:

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Well, that's odd.

IIRC, the post I did make would've been, at most, a few days prior to me joining JREF, which was 8/9/2010.

Maybe I'll try searching it from a different IP...?

EDIT: Oh, and THANK YOU very much for searching for me...I really do appreciate it :)

[Lyrandar]

Hmm... IP based bans?

I should maybe try going over there. I've been thinking I wanted actual practice with some IP spoofing techniques.

I suppose doing that to them wouldn't be very nice of me, though.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Unlike here in JREFLand, it is quality and not quantity that counts at LCF.

MMSome of the recent "quality" posts at LCF...

JawsInc brilliantly articulates his disdain for the rubbish "alternative" theories.
i clicked on that no plane rubbish once from a youtube sidebar video that came up. you are right not to allow it here or you might as well allow the "aliens flew the planes into the towers" theory...

prob already discussed but seems like fake posters/spammers trying to make us look like tinfoil hat wearers.
This guy seems to have issues with individual liberties. He has a "right" to be confused? I suppose so, everyone at LCF is confused.
WTF?...it is my right as a noob here to be confused.

NPT?...n just when you think you have heard it all.

Admin Lin Kuei countering the claim that the Naudet brothers were "in on it."
Ok, so they had a sound-man...

This is a bit of a wild and far-fetched theory.

With all of the mountains of strong evidence proving the official 9/11 story a lie, I find this kind of far-out speculation about supposed faked/edited videos is an absolute waste of time. Sorry, that's my 2 cents.

Moved to lounge section (for now).

How to make the 9/11 Truth juggernaut even more unstoppable, by Mumin.....
It's good that there are lots of great articles posted here, but most people across the country aren't getting their information from the LC forums. They are on sites, such as CNN and Huffingtonpost. We need to all join those forums and post messages there. People are welcoming new information that they don't hear in the mainstream media. There are lots of stories on Huffingtonpost.com and we have the power to sway public opinion.

<After reading his own post, JawsInc looks for his copy of Strunk & White>
huh? whatsa deaf military bush fire fighter 7 (seven) Goanna's of W.A.s roads sheeples? i dont speak aussie obviously? not as bad as some guys out there, like huh? im reading his posts cause its my thread but WTF is he talking about?

id say spammer that says just enough non-crap not to get banned. or maybe just bored? dunno.

[GlennB]

balls.

Do they just wipe out your name completely once your banned?

Your name is still there, it's just that the member name search facility is flakey. If you go to the full member list final page and scoll back page by page you'll get to yours. 1 post. Banned.

However there is no search facility for posts by a member, so unless you typed your name or included it as a sig then search will not find it.

If you could remember a key word I could find it for you, but when you look at the quality of response you're getting from MM here, plus the abuse that is routinely thrown around at LCF (including by admins) you might wonder what the point is.

eta: oystein did it better. zero posts

[GlennB]

Some of the recent "quality" posts at LCF...



You did pretty well to find so many 'recent' posts. It's a ghost town over there.

[Miragememories]

Some of the recent "quality" posts at LCF...

Like I said, quality and not quantity.

Since it is a public forum, it is impossible to make it all quality.

You would not have over 3,300 posts over at LCF.

MM

[Miragememories]

...plus the abuse that is routinely thrown around at LCF (including by admins) you might wonder what the point is.

This forum wrote the book on abusive tactics.

MM

[Sabretooth]

Your name is still there, it's just that the member name search facility is flakey. If you go to the full member list final page and scoll back page by page you'll get to yours. 1 post. Banned.

However there is no search facility for posts by a member, so unless you typed your name or included it as a sig then search will not find it.

If you could remember a key word I could find it for you, but when you look at the quality of response you're getting from MM here, plus the abuse that is routinely thrown around at LCF (including by admins) you might wonder what the point is.

eta: oystein did it better. zero posts

I did some searching last night from another machine...my 1 post there was definitely deleted.

It was in response to one of "Shoestrings" posts about NORAD conducting hijacking drills on 9/9/01. My post would have been dated 8/9/10...the same day I was banned. Now I remember that I was pissed when I tried to login 20 minutes later and saw that I got banned and I created an account at JREF almost immediately after that.

[Oystein]

Like I said, quality and not quantity.

Since it is a public forum, it is impossible to make it all quality.

You would not have over 3,300 posts over at LCF.

MM

I got banned after 12.
That's why.

[Garb]

Like I said, quality and not quantity.

Since it is a public forum, it is impossible to make it all quality.

You would not have over 3,300 posts over at LCF.

MM

1. Because there is hardly anyone there.

2. Heated debate ends up in the skeptics being banned.

I guarantee if you had the same attitude as a skeptic there as you do as a truther here, you wouldn't last long.

[grandmastershek]

Appearances can be deceiving....

MM

Are you just a good Samaritan?

[1337m4n]

Like I said, quality and not quantity.

Since it is a public forum, it is impossible to make it all quality.

You would not have over 3,300 posts over at LCF.

MM

Please cite examples of "quality" posts made on LCF.

[twinstead]

Please cite examples of "quality" posts made on LCF.

That's an unfair question. I suspect that quality posts are defined by those which he agrees with.

[1337m4n]

OMG

Consider the context man!

It was a very human response to "the names of the Representatives (Republican AND Democrat) who turned their backs on all 9/11 responders".

And you object to foul language?

You are truly sick to take offense at that response given the issue.

Unbelievable.

Anything to win a point.

Talk about immaturity.

MM

Your claim was that

At least at LCF they enforce a more mature level of behavior.

How many "mature" people do you know who use the word "**********", even when angered?

Mature people don't use sexual preferences as insults.

[Sabretooth]

Sorry if that happened to you CE.

You can use me for a reference anytime.

MM

Hey MM, since you have so much pull over there, and you love a good debate and love free speech and all, how about getting me unbanned?

[fess]

Oh I'm sorry.

This isn't the forum represented by a majority of OCT idiots?

MM

Idiots you say? Perhaps I should extend the invitation I gave to your cousins, Jammonius and BS, to meet me in NYC. I’ll introduce you to some of my brother idiots who would be more than happy to discuss 9/11 with you.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Like I said, quality and not quantity.

Since it is a public forum, it is impossible to make it all quality.

You would not have over 3,300 posts over at LCF.

MMI lasted 2.

Since LCF is a forum dedicated to discovering "what really happened on 9/11," are there any posts than could answer the following questions?

What hit the twin towers?
a) AA11 and UA175 under the control of hijackers
b) AA11 and UA175 under the control of remote control
c) Military planes with the paint schemes of commericial airliners under remote control
d) Missles

What hit the pentagon?
a) AA77 under the control of hijackers
b) AA77 under the control of remote control
c) A military plane with the paint scheme of a commerical airliner under remote control
d) Nothing (CIT Style stupidity)

What brought down the twin towers?
a) thermite
b) thermate
c) nanothermite
d) RDX
e) HMX
f) a and d
g) a and e
h) b and d
i) b and e
j) c and d
k) c and e

After providing the answers, please give us the link to these "quality posts" that have the answers in them.

TIA

[Thunder]

This isn't the forum represented by a majority of OCT idiots?


...and Truthers whine when we call them names. ;)

[Oystein]

I found a nice case of twoofers censoring other twoofers:

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=280&Itemid=60

Short story: A medical student named Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez had donated over 100 US$ to AE911twoof, signed their blabla, and then emailed Richard Gage to suggest they contact Dr. Judy Wood and discuss things with her.
AE911twoof then deleted Abraham's name from the list :D




And of course Jerry V. Leaphart, attorney of Judy Wood an Morgan Reynolds, attempting a cease and desist letter on Alex Jones:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=176&Itemid=60
I like the following excerpt:
If, however, we who are taking formal legal action have generated an enthusiastic response from others, then we would like to go on record to encourage such people, in no uncertain terms, to immediately cease and desist from comporting themselves in any threatening way towards anyone who disagrees with them, such as Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson, perhaps, and persons who may have come in contact with either of you, directly or indirectly, or anyone else, whatsoever, now, henceforth and at all relevant times in future, without exception.

That is our clear and unequivocal message and always has been.


Can someone explain the clear message? To me, it is a dizzying message... :D

[Cl1mh4224rd]

This forum wrote the book on abusive tactics.


Don't be your username; cite some examples.

[Sabretooth]

Hey, MM, are you gonna get me unbanned over at LCF?

[Scott Jurgenson]

My total is now 5 banned channels. It's getting pathetic. I can only imagine these kids sitting at home going "Look at this guy he thinks he's smart but he's not. I already know all the answers so why do I need to debate". Pussys.

[sheeplesnshills]

Well they did it again I got completely banned from all of loose change......

"You are banned.
As I have already stated, I do not have an account at JREF whereas you do...
This means that I can not access the search engine there whereas you can.

You may search there for the terms "joos" ( with various numbers of "o"'s ), "ragheads", and "towelheads" as those slanders all refer to semetic people.

I have grown weary of your trolling here and you are therefore banned.

Have a nice life."


All when I asked him to back up his assertion that JREF were anti Semitic........I used none of those words.
...and maybe the posts on CIT were getting too close for comfort........


So its now official.............Loose Change censors ALL who disagree with them.:rolleyes:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Well they did it again I got completely banned from all of loose change......

As I have already stated, I do not have an account at JREF whereas you do...
This means that I can not access the search engine there whereas you can.

You may search there for the terms "joos" ( with various numbers of "o"'s ), "ragheads", and "towelheads" as those slanders all refer to semetic people.


All when I asked him to back up his assertion that JREF were anti Semitic........I used none of those words.
...and maybe the posts on CIT were getting too close for comfort........


Heh. Good thing I know how to use Google to search specific websites...


joos site:forums.randi.org (http://www.google.com/search?q=joos+site%3Aforums.randi.org) (236 results)
raghead site:forums.randi.org (http://www.google.com/search?q=raghead+site%3Aforums.randi.org) (95 results)
towelhead site:forums.randi.org (http://www.google.com/search?q=towelhead+site%3Aforums.randi.org) (71 results)


That's out of a total of 49,300 pages indexed (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.randi.org) (0.47%, 0.19% and 0.14% of results, respectively).

And that's ignoring the fact that those results are across the entire forum, not just the Conspiracy Theory subforum. (Although the second result for "towelhead" does come from this section, it was made by... *drumroll* ...a truther, OldSchool.) It also ignores the fact that "joos" is often used in mockery of real anti-semites and not as an epithet for Jewish people.

I think it's fair to say that this idiot is imagining things.

[GlennB]

Well they did it again I got completely banned from all of loose change......


"You are banned.
As I have already stated, I do not have an account at JREF whereas you do...
This means that I can not access the search engine there whereas you can.

All when I asked him to back up his assertion that JREF were anti Semitic........I used none of those words.
...and maybe the posts on CIT were getting too close for comfort........

So its now official.............Loose Change censors ALL who disagree with them.:rolleyes:

As a matter of interest, doesn't the Google search format :
xyz site:http://forums.randi.org
remove any need to be a member?
Not saying that this is absolutely true, but it's a search method I often use.

JFK over there, especially, fails to understand that JREF references to 'joos' is an ironic reflection on the tendency of Thruthers to implicate Israel/Mossad in their supposed 9/11 CT. I reckon he knows this perfectly well, but it gives him a little PC leverage among the LC followers maybe?

[Bell]

As a matter of interest, doesn't the Google search format :
xyz site:http://forums.randi.org
remove any need to be a member?
Not saying that this is absolutely true, but it's a search method I often use.

Correct. But Google only indexes the public parts of the forum, not the members only parts (e.g. Community)

[Miragememories]

Well they did it again I got completely banned from all of loose change......




All when I asked him to back up his assertion that JREF were anti Semitic........I used none of those words.
...and maybe the posts on CIT were getting too close for comfort........


So its now official.............Loose Change censors ALL who disagree with them.:rolleyes:
You all but begged for the honor of being banned.

Get over yourself.

MM

[sheeplesnshills]

You all but begged for the honor of being banned.

Get over yourself.

MM

How exactly did I do that? which post do you think shows that I was "begging to be banned????

I do wish Truthers would stop making baseless assertions. I got banned for simply asking when someone is going to show evidence for his claim that JREFs were anti Semitic.

How in any way is asking someone to demonstrate they are telling the truth a bad thing?? You are such shameless hypocrites.

[Dog Town]

You all but begged for the honor of being banned.


Yes, he should know better than to ask questions!:rolleyes:


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[Dave Rogers]

You all but begged for the honor of being banned.

So let's try playing turnabout here. RedIbis has frequently complained that members of this forum portray truthers as antisemitic. Can we let him know that you'd be happy for him to be banned from JREF for making that complaint, and that, indeed, in your opinion he's all but begging for it?

Dave

[twinstead]

If JREF operated like CIT people like MM would have been banned long ago.

[ProBonoShill]

You all but begged for the honor of being banned.

Get over yourself.

MM

Evidence?

[Sabretooth]

Evidence?

thermite.

[sheeplesnshills]

thermite.


No! No! NANO Thermite:D

[Dave Rogers]

So let's try playing turnabout here. RedIbis has frequently complained that members of this forum portray truthers as antisemitic. Can we let him know that you'd be happy for him to be banned from JREF for making that complaint, and that, indeed, in your opinion he's all but begging for it?

Hello? MirageMemories? Are you serious in your claim that complaining about being portrayed as antisemitic is grounds for banning?

Dave

[Sabretooth]

No! No! NANO Thermite:D

SUPER-nano-thermite!

[Bell]

SUPER-nano-thermite!

Nah-noo nah-noo thermite!

[Sabretooth]

Nah-noo nah-noo thermite!

And there you have it...Robin Williams caused 9/11. :jaw-dropp


All this by using the new Troofer Calculator 3000TM...now with even more TWOOF!

[leftysergeant]

Quality vs. quantity.


You're still screwed.

[240-185]

I found a nice case of twoofers censoring other twoofers:

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=280&Itemid=60

Short story: A medical student named Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez had donated over 100 US$ to AE911twoof, signed their blabla, and then emailed Richard Gage to suggest they contact Dr. Judy Wood and discuss things with her.
AE911twoof then deleted Abraham's name from the list :D

He was here too, under the nickname of "Pootzka".
But he didn't know that copying and pasting URLs was spamming and not discussing, so he was banned from here too.

[leftysergeant]

I lasted about a week on the original LCF. I took issue with them on the concrete walls inside the Pentagon and thenature of the "squibbs" on the towers and WTC7.

Then I called Bollyn a Nazi piece of crap and Bunel a liar because he deliberately identified himself as a fire fightiong expert and called a primary crash-response rig a "tanker for medium-sized fires."

Buh-bye.

On You Tube, I wound up just summarily banning a lot of people because they started rating down my poetry and leaving nasty comments, even though none of them were themselves poets. The Nazis were the worst. If I see 14/88 on a profile page, there will be no communications between us.

They just aren't worth the trouble.

[beachnut]

911 truth claims are censorship, loosely disguised as moronic lies.

911 truth, twoofers, don't have any evidence, they have hearsay, lies and fantasy; solid nonsense for more than 9 years.

One of the biggest method of censorship used by 911 truth, quote mining and not presenting the context and complete information. Building lies by quote mining.

[beachnut]

I lasted about a week on the original LCF. I took issue with them on the concrete walls inside the Pentagon and thenature of the "squibbs" on the towers and WTC7.

Then I called Bollyn a Nazi piece of crap and Bunel a liar because he deliberately identified himself as a fire fightiong expert and called a primary crash-response rig a "tanker for medium-sized fires."

Buh-bye.

On You Tube, I wound up just summarily banning a lot of people because they started rating down my poetry and leaving nasty comments, even though none of them were themselves poets. The Nazis were the worst. If I see 14/88 on a profile page, there will be no communications between us.

They just aren't worth the trouble.

They have to quote-mine, post hearsay as their evidence and make up idiotic lies like thermite, or the super stupid flyover by CIT.

I think RADAR, FDR, and DNA is not understood by 911 truth; they have failed for more than 9 years to understand 911, an event that took minutes for heroes on flight 93 to figure out and take action. 911 only action, censorship in the form of idiotic lies, such as the crash site of 93 does not look like a crash. A moronic lie.

[Miragememories]

Hey MM, since you have so much pull over there, and you love a good debate and love free speech and all, how about getting me unbanned?
I wouldn't agree that I have "pull".

Respect yes.

Do I respect you enough to recommend your reinstatement?

Based on your behavior here, there is no basis for expecting you
to make a positive contribution to any discussion in the LCF.

But I'm quite sure you know that already.

MM

[Miragememories]

My total is now 5 banned channels. It's getting pathetic. I can only imagine these kids sitting at home going "Look at this guy he thinks he's smart but he's not. I already know all the answers so why do I need to debate". Pussys.

A good true skeptic teaches us a lot.

I've learned a great deal of in this JREF subforum and not just from those who support 9/11 Truth.

Official Conspiracy Theory believers have presented a great deal of quality research and opinion and I thank them for it.

They have not convinced me one iota that the NIST's explanation for what caused the collapse of WTC 7 has any plausibility,
but I honestly would rejoice if they could.

IMHO, the biggest problem here is that too many members (but not all), feel their anonymity, combined with sharing a majority group opinion,
entitles them to show total disrespect for those who disagree with them.

If you act like a child, expect to be treated like one.

MM

[RedIbis]

A good true skeptic teaches us a lot.

I've learned a great deal of in this JREF subforum and not just from those who support 9/11 Truth.

Official Conspiracy Theory believers have presented a great deal of quality research and opinion and I thank them for it.

They have not convinced me one iota that the NIST's explanation for what caused the collapse of WTC 7 has any plausibility,
but I honestly would rejoice if they could.

IMHO, the biggest problem here is that too many members (but not all), feel their anonymity, combined with sharing a majority group opinion,
entitles them to show total disrespect for those who disagree with them.

If you act like a child, expect to be treated like one.

MM

If nomination and voting in the language awards wasn't biased entirely toward the prevailing view, I'd nominate this post for its concision and dead-on accuracy.

[dtugg]

IMHO, the biggest problem here is that too many members (but not all), feel their anonymity, combined with sharing a majority group opinion,
entitles them to show total disrespect for those who disagree with them.


No, it's because twoofers deserve to be treated in that manner. If I knew any twoofers in real life, I would treat them exactly the same. Why should terrorist apologizing morons be treated with anything besides total disrespect?

[cooperman]

No, it's because twoofers deserve to be treated. Why should a bunch of terrorist apologizing morons be treated with anything besides total disrespect?

Umm.....perhaps because this forum has a user agreement?

[dtugg]

Umm.....perhaps because this forum has a user agreement?

That's the only reason that I am as civil as I am towards the terrorist apologizing morons. Which is to say not very.

[cooperman]

That's the only reason that I am as civil as I am towards the terrorist apologizing morons. Which is to say not very.

James Randi would be so proud.

[Miragememories]

"So, you want me to believe that if we had a seperate forum
for idiots, aka truthers, you wouldn't pitch a fit?""Oh I'm sorry.
This isn't the forum represented by a majority of OCT idiots?""...and Truthers whine when we call them names."
Idiots are people who speak and behave stupidly.

You misunderstand if you believe that I think that all OCT believers are idiots.

Unfortunately, there many OCT believers who are idiots and unfortunately, there are many 9/11 Truth believers who are also idiots.

To re-phrase my original response, a majority of the OCT members here, appear to be idiots.

MM

[Miragememories]

"So let's try playing turnabout here. RedIbis has frequently complained that members of this forum portray truthers as antisemitic. Can we let him know that you'd be happy for him to be banned from JREF for making that complaint, and that, indeed, in your opinion he's all but begging for it?"

You are accepting sheeplesnshills explanation for his/her treatment at LCF on his/her questionable word only.

Getting back to your question, it all comes down to context.

I have seen members make that anti-semitic accusation when the subject of Mossad or Israel's involvement in 9/11 has been raised.

The JREF forums cover a vast range of themes and subject material.

The JREF rules are quite explicit as to what treatment will be afforded those members who are in violation.

THE LC forums have a singular purpose and theme, 9/11 Truth.

When members make it clear that they are disingenuous in their reason for membership, the moderators
have to act in the best interests of the forum's stated purpose.

MM

[funk de fino]

If nomination and voting in the language awards wasn't biased entirely toward the prevailing view, I'd nominate this post for its concision and dead-on accuracy.

Those awards are not just for stuff from the CT section. Try again.

[triforcharity]

Idiots are people who speak and behave stupidly.

You misunderstand if you believe that I think that all OCT believers are idiots.

Unfortunately, there many OCT believers who are idiots and unfortunately, there are many 9/11 Truth believers who are also idiots.

To re-phrase my original response, a majority of the OCT members here, appear to be idiots.

MM

That post right there, would have gotten you suspended from LCF.

And yet, you're still here........

[leftysergeant]

THE LC forums have a singular purpose and theme, 9/11 Truth.


It is a disinformation inititative to dumb us all down so that the white nationalists and anarchists can overthrow legitimate authority, like most twoof sites.

They can't have any militant-enthusiasm-deficient people mucking that up.

[DGM]

Does LCF still ask you to declare your "affiliation" when you join?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I repeat...

Miragememories, since you seem to have willingly taken on the role of apologist for all Truth Movement forums, perhaps you can offer your best politician-like spin on the following situation:

I got banned from the PfffT forums before I made my first post.


...and...


This forum wrote the book on abusive tactics.


Don't be your username; cite some examples.

[cantonear1968]

So far, 3 of them have decided to block me from making any further comments on their pages and videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarCrime911
http://www.youtube.com/user/Bernadotte01
http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STUDIES



I've had the same experience with WarCrime. Called me out on his own videos, posted the same old easily debunkable crap and then banned me before I could respond. I found him lurking on another video and raked him over the coals before he ran back to his own videos.

I've come across Bernadotte, but I can't say it was memorable as I don't remember anything special. More truther tripe but I don't remember anything beyond that.

I have not witnessed IC911STUDIES before and I won't be looking them up. I haven't been on youtube in 10 days and I have no intentions of posting there anytime soon (never say never) as it is devoid of any intelligent debate. I know this was originally stated by Mark Roberts, but the shear number of people who argue against, criticize and dismiss the NIST reports without ever having read them or even a rudimentary understanding of their conclusions is astounding!! I honestly believe the vast majority who post there have literally just finished watching Loose Change and feel that is all the research they need to do! I can only point out so many times that no report ever said steel was melted before I get sick of hearing it myself!

To get back on point, yes, truthers are the most ready to become that which they profess to be fighting against; cover up. I leave my comments section open to anyone, good or bad, only as long as their own is the same. "Friends only" or "comment pending approval" instantly get removed from my page and a nasty letter on free speech from me. I have been banned from several video poster's pages, not from hostility, but merely from posting differing ideas (reality). I can't say this for every video, but the ones I posted on which could be categorized as Official Story Friendly, do not ban anyone, even if they have delusional thoughts.

The truther movement is dead. Like the Japanese soldiers left behind to wait on Pacific Islands for years after the war ended, there are simply a few who have not yet got the memo.

But then Gage & Griffin would have no income without them!

[tsig]

A good true skeptic teaches us a lot.

I've learned a great deal of in this JREF subforum and not just from those who support 9/11 Truth.

Official Conspiracy Theory believers have presented a great deal of quality research and opinion and I thank them for it.

They have not convinced me one iota that the NIST's explanation for what caused the collapse of WTC 7 has any plausibility,
but I honestly would rejoice if they could.

IMHO, the biggest problem here is that too many members (but not all), feel their anonymity, combined with sharing a majority group opinion,
entitles them to show total disrespect for those who disagree with them.

If you act like a child, expect to be treated like one.

MM

So how have you been treated here?

[Oystein]

If nomination and voting in the language awards wasn't biased entirely toward the prevailing view, I'd nominate this post for its concision and dead-on accuracy.

JihadJane beat you to it :D
I consider bribing Hokulele into taking MM's post to the finals - if only to see how it gets 0 (zero) votes, even from the many users with no interest in the 9/11 debates :D

[Pinch]

Sorry, a certain measure of respect for fellow members is expected in
the adult forums.

MM

Oh my lord...! I just saw this? You hang out over at Balsamo's club, MM. You can NOT sit there and apply what you just said to ANYONE who is a member of that idiotic club. Same with LCF or any of the other nutjob/moonbat/wack-a-doodle fora that are out there.

[Sabretooth]

I wouldn't agree that I have "pull".

Respect yes.

Do I respect you enough to recommend your reinstatement?

Based on your behavior here, there is no basis for expecting you
to make a positive contribution to any discussion in the LCF.

But I'm quite sure you know that already.

MM

So, because I don't have blue eyes and blonde hair, I don't fit in, eh?

That's not a form a censorship...right? :rolleyes:

I'd really love to see your justification of my behavior in JREF not being good enough for LCF. That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

Why not just admit that LCF doesn't want skeptics questioning their agenda? It would have made you look a lot less like a fool.

[sheeplesnshills]

Official Conspiracy Theory believers have presented a great deal of quality research and opinion and I thank them for it.


Where? I think your definition of "great" "Quality" and "research" differ greatly from that commonly accepted in the real world. There is zero credible evidence for anything other than the "official" storyline.

I will give you "opinion" :)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why not just admit that LCF doesn't want skeptics questioning their agenda? It would have made you look a lot less like a fool.


I'm curious. I don't visit the forum for obvious reasons, but is there any kind of skeptical criticism of truther claims anywhere other than their Free Speech Zone, or do they all just pat each other on the back while giving a reach-around?

[Sabretooth]

I'm curious. I don't visit the forum for obvious reasons, but is there any kind of skeptical criticism of truther claims anywhere other than their Free Speech Zone, or do they all just pat each other on the back while giving a reach-around?

For the 15 minutes I was actually part of their forum, it was a whole bunch of the latter.

[1337m4n]

IMHO, the biggest problem here is that too many members (but not all), feel their anonymity, combined with sharing a majority group opinion,
entitles them to show total disrespect for those who disagree with them.

If you act like a child, expect to be treated like one.


Oh I'm sorry.
This isn't the forum represented by a majority of OCT idiots?

So, in other words, the biggest problem here is people like you?

Are you even reading what you type?

Do you not see your own hypocrisy?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Nobody else is that dirt dumb... except for people like you who won't recognize the difference if it doesn't fit your world-view.


Conspiracy theorist M.O.: Pretend the rest of the world is dumber than you.

[sheeplesnshills]

You are accepting sheeplesnshills explanation for his/her treatment at LCF on his/her questionable word only.

Getting back to your question, it all comes down to context.

I have seen members make that anti-semitic accusation when the subject of Mossad or Israel's involvement in 9/11 has been raised.

The JREF forums cover a vast range of themes and subject material.

The JREF rules are quite explicit as to what treatment will be afforded those members who are in violation.

THE LC forums have a singular purpose and theme, 9/11 Truth.

When members make it clear that they are disingenuous in their reason for membership, the moderators
have to act in the best interests of the forum's stated purpose.

MM

I only asked for someone to back up his assertion that Debunkers on Jref were anti Semitic. He said that he would and after a reasonable time I again asked him to do so and was then banned. If they were really interested in the truth then they would have either posted evidence or retracted.

[sheeplesnshills]

I'm curious. I don't visit the forum for obvious reasons, but is there any kind of skeptical criticism of truther claims anywhere other than their Free Speech Zone, or do they all just pat each other on the back while giving a reach-around?


Even their "skeptics" section is rigorously censored. They simply will not tolerate anything other than the version which they are selling.

[Miragememories]

"Official Conspiracy Theory believers have presented a great deal of quality research and opinion and I thank them for it.""Where? I think your definition of "great" "Quality" and "research" differ greatly from that commonly accepted in the real world. There is zero credible evidence for anything other than the "official" storyline."

Say what?

So you disagree?

You do not believe that Official Conspiracy Theory believers have ever presented a great deal of quality research and opinion?

MM

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Say what?

So you disagree?

You do not believe that Official Conspiracy Theory believers have ever presented a great deal of quality research and opinion?

MM

What evidence have you presented since you got into this forum to debate your crazy & hairbrained CTs with us?

Name 1 piece of evidence that you've ever gotten right!

[Fonebone]

Suppose truthes formed a party and won elections. Would you feel that your freedoms, such as freedom of speech, would be kept safe?

Please share your experiences with Twoofer censorship

(Yeah I know, it is technically not censorship, as they are not government)

Fonebone < I posted a response to a re-opened thread at 9:00 AM EDT and
it has yet to be posted- Is this considered fair play on a level playing field at JREF ?
Will this response be flushed down the AAH toilet like other evidence I post ?

Fonebone likes to talk about the 'penthouses' ---
The open air 'penthouse' on the western two thirds of the roof housed the air conditioning equipment
and condenser fans as well as the exhaust blowers.
The eastern third of the roof was a mechanical room enclosed penthouse.
Viewed from the north, the eastern 'penthouse' third of the roof that was the first section
to collapse, is the enclosed structure seen here on the left.
The air conditioning equipment is on the right. This WTC7 cameo is the north face of the WTC7
taken shortly after the WTC1 tower had collapsed.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/363814ca3c71ec48fe.jpg

The sunlit area north of the WTC7 building is mirrored in the windows of the
WTC7 tower clearly indicating the structure is not contorted to any noticeable degree
and there no broken windows.
No visible damage,fire, or smoke at any point of the WTC7 north face. Again , this still was taken
minutes after the second tower WTC1 collapsed.

Where is the raging inferno that the fire department couldn't battle ?

Probably because that picture was taken sometime after the collapse of 2 WTC. The picture you posted seems to show the building before it caught fire. The lack of fire should be a clue.

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=456&pictureid=3789

You are correct- The lack of fires is the clue.The WTC1 is missing from the still-

Here is another cameo of the WTC7 penthouses taken from the observation
platform on the WTC 2 roof- The building on the extreme left is the WTC1 tower.
Note the WTC1 tower's position with respect to the WTC7 tower.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/363814ca61f0486045.bmp

NOW - study the still I posted and note what is missing--
http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=456&pictureid=3789

Correct , The WTC1 tower is missing- This still was taken after the 2nd tower,the WTC1 tower, collapsed.
The lack of fires is the clue.![/QUOTE]

[beachnut]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/wtc7fire3.jpg
Fire in WTC 7. 911 truth, failure for over 9 years, shooting for 10 to 18. They will succeed without effort.

Why and how does 911 truth censor the truth by telling lies?

[beachnut]

Fonebone

Wow, your signature is so cool.

Why does p4t not allow discussion of their idiotic non-theory claims?

[zooterkin]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6402926#post6402926

This is my experiences with the JREF

Did you read the Membership Agreement (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=25744) yet?

Why do the JREF moderators flush evidence down the toilet ?

Have you got any evidence that they do? All you've shown is that they move posts which breach the MA to AAH; where they are still visible. Have you been banned for merely expressing views contrary to what most people on this forum believe?

[Dave Rogers]

Why do the JREF moderators flush evidence down the toilet ?

You've tried to demonstrate that you're being censored by linking to places where we can all read the posts of yours that you claim have been censored. Do you have the faintest idea how stupid that makes you look?

Dave

[sheeplesnshills]

Say what?

So you disagree?

You do not believe that Official Conspiracy Theory believers have ever presented a great deal of quality research and opinion?

MM


Mea Culpa. Sorry I misread and missed the "official" in the OP. I don't consider that a theory anymore than I consider evolution a theory. Both are established fact and accepted by all but the seriously ignorant/stupid or the mentally ill.

[Tricky]

A few off-topic posts moved to AAH. Lets hope that will be the last move needed.

[Oystein]

The next youtuber to block criticism:

http://www.youtube.com/user/pjczz

He uploaded some videos from the batch recently released by NIST after FOIA request.
I commented some of his videos, and so did others (though not many).
he replied to several of my comments, rather indignantly, and then decided to deactivate the comment function from all his videos because he didn't like what he got.

[Miragememories]

"The next youtuber to block criticism:

http://www.youtube.com/user/pjczz

He uploaded some videos from the batch recently released by NIST after FOIA request.
I commented some of his videos, and so did others (though not many).
he replied to several of my comments, rather indignantly, and then decided to deactivate
the comment function from all his videos because he didn't like what he got."

Without knowing what you said in your comments, it is difficult to discuss the legitimacy of your complaint.

MM

[Dog Town]

Without knowing what you said in your comments, it is difficult to discuss the legitimacy of your complaint.

MM

A fan of twoofer censorship, such as yourself, must be used to this conundrum.

[Oystein]

Without knowing what you said in your comments, it is difficult to discuss the legitimacy of your complaint.

MM

The complaint "then (he) decided to deactivate the comment function from all his videos because he didn't like what he got." is confirmed to the ETA to his videos, for example watch?v=qkg3Mz16LB0:

EDIT: Comments turned off due to (1) an unfortunate number of derogatory racial/ethnic responses and the (2) rude and belittling comments of those who feel there is no reason to fully investigate the attacks of September 11, 2001


I could support the complaint "he replied to several of my comments, rather indignantly" by posting his replies, which I received a copy of via email (standard youtube notifications), but I won't, respecting his wish to make them non-public.

However, the jist remains: This truther censors comments to his videos, and the allegations he posted in the info texts, by disallowing comments, and the reason is that he didn't like what he got.

[twinstead]

Without knowing what you said in your comments, it is difficult to discuss the legitimacy of your complaint.


Indeed. But isn't that the whole idea of censorship?

[Miragememories]

"Without knowing what you said in your comments, it is difficult to discuss
the legitimacy of your complaint.""The complaint "then (he) decided to deactivate the comment function from all his videos because he didn't like what he got." is confirmed to the ETA to his videos, for example watch?v=qkg3Mz16LB0"

I am sorry. I could not follow your english or find the link you used as an example of something?

"I could support the complaint "he replied to several of my comments, rather indignantly" by posting his replies, which I received a copy of via email (standard youtube notifications), but I won't, respecting his wish to make them non-public.

However, the jist remains: This truther censors comments to his videos, and the allegations he posted in the info texts, by disallowing comments, and the reason is that he didn't like what he got."

The jist remains, that we have no idea what your comments were?

I have had many many of my posts removed from this subForum. Often for reasons only the moderators are privy to.

Is that not also censorship, or maybe it is gate keeping?

MM

[Dog Town]

I have had many many of my posts removed from this subForum. Often for reasons only the moderators are privy to.

Is that not also censorship, or maybe it is gate keeping?

MM

See...
You've tried to demonstrate that you're being censored by linking to places where we can all read the posts of yours that you claim have been censored. Do you have the faintest idea how stupid that makes you look?

Dave

[Titanic Explorer]

LOL.

I got banned almost immediately, just for asking a question.

Someone had posted a story how NORAD should have had no problem having fighters intercept AA11 before it got to NYC.

I simply asked how, because the time was rather short. (yes, I was truly polite.)

I was banned within minutes of posting. It was my ONLY post.

It was just a few hours after that when I started lurking the JREF. :)

So. Thank you, LCF! ;)



I wonder if someone joined a pro-Truther board, and feigned being a Truther, how absurd could they get with thier theories before being banned? I've discovered it's a waste of time trying to persuade Trutherbots on their boards that they're wrong- they are all in a cult mindset, so can't think for themselves. - so for fun, every time they make a claim of planted thermite , blame time traveling terroists, or blame the Amish. No doubt some of the more heavily medicated paranoid Truthers would agree that the Amish used laser beams to shoot down the plane over PA. Truthers are clowns, and are deserving of laughter. If you face a very paranoid Truther on the street, start whispering into your watch, and tell them they are being tracked- this will flip them out-particulalry since many of them are mentally ill and have severe paranoia and delusions of persecution. ! I once did this online to a truther, and told them that they were being observed threough their laptop, and 'Majestic 12' has listed them as a grave threat to national security. I think that person had a nervous breakdown.
Or accuse the truther of having been in on 9/11. Turn the luncacy tables on them. Insist THEY planted thermite, and if they deny it, tell them they need to prove it.

[Oystein]

I am sorry. I could not follow your english or find the link you used as an example of something?

Try harder. One correction to my english: "is confirmed to by the ETA to his videos"

The jist remains, that we have no idea what your comments were?

And why would that matter? Are you presuming my posts contained racial slur or insults? Well take my word, they did not. As is my habit, I argued the issues.

The idea of "censorship" is to disallow all opinions (and facts) except those that are "allowed".

I have had many many of my posts removed from this subForum. Often for reasons only the moderators are privy to.

Is that not also censorship, or maybe it is gate keeping?

MM

They were not deleted, they were not removed for stating disallowed opinions, and neither you nor everybody else was permanently barred from making further comments.
You'll notice the fundamental differences. Funny I have to tell you, since you have been told before in this very thread.

[Miragememories]

"The jist remains, that we have no idea what your comments were?""And why would that matter? Are you presuming my posts contained racial slur or insults? Well take my word, they did not. As is my habit, I argued the issues.

The idea of "censorship" is to disallow all opinions (and facts) except those that are "allowed"."
Having read a good many of your posts, I cannot make the presumption that your comments at that site were devoid of racial slurs and insults. I do not have to take your word for anything, which is why I like to see the evidence for myself.

"I have had many many of my posts removed from this subForum. Often for reasons only the moderators are privy to.

Is that not also censorship, or maybe it is gate keeping?""They were not deleted, they were not removed for stating disallowed opinions, and neither you nor everybody else was permanently barred from making further comments.
You'll notice the fundamental differences. Funny I have to tell you, since you have been told before in this very thread.
"

My posts were moved to AAH where they lived for a short while and then deleted.

Furthermore, I have been suspended twice for making those posts.

You, are not at risk of being suspended or banned from YouTube if you make comments at someone else's page there.

MM

[Oystein]

Having read a good many of your posts, I cannot make the presumption that your comments at that site were devoid of racial slurs and insults. I do not have to take your word for anything, which is why I like to see the evidence for myself.

I would prefer to show you the evidence. It wasn't I who censored it. It was the twoofer. Don't whine my way, log a complaint with him!
Surely you don't imply I have uttered racial slurs in anything that I wrote and you read?

My posts were moved to AAH where they lived for a short while and then deleted.

No, nothing got deleted.
Go to AAH
Scroll down to below the list of threads, to the "Display Options"
In the drop-down box "From the" select "Beginning" instead of "last 2 weeks"
Click button "Show Threads"
Be happy.

Furthermore, I have been suspended twice for making those posts.

I noticed your suspensions. They were for "flooding the forum" and "repeated breaches of MA", respectively. I am sure you received a private message both times stating a little more reason? When I received a yellow card some months ago, the moderator issuing it pointed me quite clearly to where I went wrong (and he was right).
But I see you are back and free to make comments. Just abide by the MA. Which I find reasonable. Are there any forum rules that you object to?

You, are not at risk of being suspended or banned from YouTube if you make comments at someone else's page there.

True, I have no quarrel with youtube. I take issue with this twoofer and his channel. He is diseminating erronous information, and asks question that have answers, but refuses corrections and receiving answers. Rather, he engages in deletion of dissent, and blocking of debate. I take note that you are sympathetic to that sort of stance.

[GlennB]

....
My posts were moved to AAH where they lived for a short while and then deleted.

MM

Well, I went to AAH and searched for all posts by Miragememories, to find there were 212 dated from 24-Feb-2007 until 13-Oct-2010.

But you have previously told us that you keep records of your posts, so perhaps you could tell us which were 'deleted', and give us an indication of their content ?

[Hawk one]

Having read a good many of your posts, I cannot make the presumption that your comments at that site were devoid of racial slurs and insults. I do not have to take your word for anything, which is why I like to see the evidence for myself.
Can you give me a link to one single post of Oystein in this forum containing any racial slurs and insults?

[Miragememories]

Well, I went to AAH and searched for all posts by Miragememories, to find there were 212 dated from 24-Feb-2007 until 13-Oct-2010.

But you have previously told us that you keep records of your posts, so perhaps you could tell us which were 'deleted', and give us an indication of their content ?
Are you sure you searched the AAH forum?

I get only 9 hits going back to late July of this year.

MM

[twinstead]

Are you sure you searched the AAH forum?

I get only 9 hits going back to late July of this year.

MM

I see 212 as well from 23 feb 2007

[carlitos]

As I asked when he mentioned it before (and I'm free to ask now, since I'm on ignore), what kind of person "tracks" their posts on internet forums? Bizarre behavior.

[GlennB]

Are you sure you searched the AAH forum?

I get only 9 hits going back to late July of this year.

MM

Go to the AAH forum

Click "search this forum"

Click "Advanced search"

Enter Miragememories in "Username" under "Search by user name"

Leave other fields at default and click "Search now"

212 posts switched to AAH from Feb 2007 until now.

If you want a screen cap it's easily arranged.

hth

[twinstead]

Go to the AAH forum

Click "search this forum"

Click "Advanced search"

Enter Miragememories in "Username" under "Search by user name"

Leave other fields at default and click "Search now"

212 posts switched to AAH from Feb 2007 until now.

If you want a screen cap it's easily arranged.

hth

Won't he have to change "find posts from" from "yesterday" to "any date"?


ETA: This of course blows up the whole JREF censorship thing

[Oystein]

Can you give me a link to one single post of Oystein in this forum containing any racial slurs and insults?

Oh I think you could find a couple of insults, depending on your sensitivity ;) (no racial insults of course)

[alienentity]

Won't he have to change "find posts from" from "yesterday" to "any date"?


ETA: This of course blows up the whole JREF censorship thing

MM is talking out of his buttocks as per usual.:cool:

[catsmate1]

As I asked when he mentioned it before (and I'm free to ask now, since I'm on ignore), what kind of person "tracks" their posts on internet forums? Bizarre behavior.
Have you encountered DOC?

[GlennB]

Are you sure you searched the AAH forum?

I get only 9 hits going back to late July of this year.

MM

You seem to have a knack for being demonstrably wrong, in black+white, then managing to avoid all further mention of the subject.

We're all wrong from time to time. It's good for the soul to just 'fess up and admit it now and then.

Are you repeating these claims elsewhere? If so you'll need to fix that too.

[Hawk one]

And I'd still like to know where Oystein's "racial slurs and insults" are to be found.

[Miragememories]

You seem to have a knack for being demonstrably wrong, in black+white, then managing to avoid all further mention of the subject.

We're all wrong from time to time. It's good for the soul to just 'fess up and admit it now and then.

Are you repeating these claims elsewhere? If so you'll need to fix that too.
If I know I have erred, I have no problem admitting it.

What I posted was what I found.

MM

[beachnut]

If I know I have erred, I have no problem admitting it.

What I posted was what I found.

MM Research is not a strong skill in 911 truth...
You have spread BS about your posts being deleted, you lied.

The moderators at JREF deleted it from the thread but I retained a copy; ... over 3 years you thought your best work was deleted.

Your posts were not deleted. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=6438680#post6438680

Ironic you are posting lies in a forum named Loose Change, the biggest fake fiction on 911, a fraud set of videos used to fool gullible 911 truther, the authors included. Is the Loose Change forum like the truthNAZI Balsamo's forum where you can't discuss anything with facts and evidence, you have to be put in the Debate area if you post the truth. Is that the Skeptics section? Wow, JFK sure does track IP addresses; paranoid moderation, goes with the moronic paranoid conspiracy theories.

911 truth has to censor the truth, else their delusions are exposed. The censorship in 911 truth is a self-inflicted rule, where each truther fails to use facts and evidence, they use failed opinions to form their ideas. They censor themselves by remaining in ignorance.