Pentagon Crash Wings

[grandmastershek]

Is there any articles on the Pentagon crash? One that specifically addresses the dynamics of the wings being incapable of penetrating the columns. I saw the ASCE building performance, but I couldn't find anything with relation to the wings behavior in detail. Thanks.

Its truther Christmas so I got a live one already.

[Arus808]

Not understanding your question. It's believed that upon impact, as the wings hit the facade of the building, it folded in on the plane and were destroyed as the plane entered the building.


Just imagine you running toward a concrete wall with a hole only the size of your body, and you're running toward it with your arms stretched out wide. What happens to your arms when you try to enter that hole?

[femr2]

Whilst it is not valid to compare the behaviour of the WTC 1 & 2 impacts, they should be kept well in mind.

The Pentagon facade was more *rigid* and solid than the towers, and this is an early NIST simulation of impact upon a rigid wall...

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/1/303150749.png
W2xCjqCsHIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2xCjqCsHIg&p=882F0EA28FEB86D4&index=6

Note that the wings do not fold back upon themselves.

[Miragememories]

Not understanding your question. It's believed that upon impact, as the wings hit the facade of the building, it folded in on the plane and were destroyed as the plane entered the building.


Just imagine you running toward a concrete wall with a hole only the size of your body, and you're running toward it with your arms stretched out wide. What happens to your arms when you try to enter that hole?
Well I don't know about you, but I'm sure my arms will turn toward the wall while my brain sends braking instructions to my hands and legs.

MM

[sheeplesnshills]

Not understanding your question. It's believed that upon impact, as the wings hit the facade of the building, it folded in on the plane and were destroyed as the plane entered the building.


Just imagine you running toward a concrete wall with a hole only the size of your body, and you're running toward it with your arms stretched out wide. What happens to your arms when you try to enter that hole?

The wings did NOT fold and enter the building. They were destroyed in the same way as the Phantoms wings were in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

One witness describes them folding but that was likely just an trick of the mind as we are not used to solid object vanishing in front of our eyes. The plane was going so fast it was gone in less than 1/3 of a second.

Purdue, did a reconstruction of a tiny part of the impact as a proof of concept for the work later done on the WTC towers. It involved only the interior columns and the fuselage.

[Miragememories]

The wings did NOT fold and enter the building. They were destroyed in the same way as the Phantoms wings were in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

One witness describes them folding but that was likely just an trick of the mind as we are not used to solid object vanishing in front of our eyes. The plane was going so fast it was gone in less than 1/3 of a second.

Purdue, did a reconstruction of a tiny part of the impact as a proof of concept for the work later done on the WTC towers. It involved only the interior columns and the fuselage.
Which proves, like a Wile Coyote cartoon, you can make a computer simulation do pretty much anything you want it to.

MM

[Edx]

Which proves, like a Wile Coyote cartoon, you can make a computer simulation do pretty much anything you want it to.

MM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

You think that video is a computer simulation?

[grandmastershek]

Thanks guys. But I am looking for a journal article or equally reliable source. I know what happened but i am looking for a source to point someone in the direction of the research behind it. Not like it will make a difference...he's the kind of truther who ignores anything inconvenient.

[leftysergeant]

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/1/303150749.png
W2xCjqCsHIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2xCjqCsHIg&p=882F0EA28FEB86D4&index=6

Note that the wings do not fold back upon themselves.

Well, of course not, because they have the angle wrong.

Second point: The right wing did not penetrate outboard of the engines. It would have been crushed between the wall and the fuselage at at least some point in the process. This would tend to drag it into the building. The wing did, however, leave crush marks where it impacted the wall.

Third point: the left wing also penetrate only from the engines inward. The outboard portion would have, to some degree, shattered into pieces of varied size and wight. Having some remaining forward momentum, it would have then ricocheted off the wall to the left. This resulted in the removal of considerable sheathing along the ground floor. It is clear from the close-up photos posted in various locations around the web that the frames, sills and seats of windows on that wall to the left of the impact point were more severely damaged on the right side than on the left. This is entirely consistant with a glancing blow from a solid object or mass of objects hitting at high speed from the right.

This simulation is not totally adequate.

[BigAl]

Thanks guys. But I am looking for a journal article or equally reliable source. I know what happened but i am looking for a source to point someone in the direction of the research behind it. Not like it will make a difference...he's the kind of truther who ignores anything inconvenient.

The book Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11 by Patrick Creed mention the wings but I don't recall the details.

A search for "wings" via google books will show you some text but everyone should read the entire book.

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[BenBurch]

Which proves, like a Wile Coyote cartoon, you can make a computer simulation do pretty much anything you want it to.

MM

That was a quite real test. I knew one of the guys who engineered the sled.

[sheeplesnshills]

Which proves, like a Wile Coyote cartoon, you can make a computer simulation do pretty much anything you want it to.

MM

What do you mean?

[sheeplesnshills]

Well, of course not, because they have the angle wrong.

Second point: The right wing did not penetrate outboard of the engines. It would have been crushed between the wall and the fuselage at at least some point in the process. This would tend to drag it into the building. The wing did, however, leave crush marks where it impacted the wall.

Third point: the left wing also penetrate only from the engines inward. The outboard portion would have, to some degree, shattered into pieces of varied size and wight. Having some remaining forward momentum, it would have then ricocheted off the wall to the left. This resulted in the removal of considerable sheathing along the ground floor. It is clear from the close-up photos posted in various locations around the web that the frames, sills and seats of windows on that wall to the left of the impact point were more severely damaged on the right side than on the left. This is entirely consistant with a glancing blow from a solid object or mass of objects hitting at high speed from the right.

This simulation is not totally adequate.


A clue might come from the word "early" in the title.

[T.A.M.]

Thanks guys. But I am looking for a journal article or equally reliable source. I know what happened but i am looking for a source to point someone in the direction of the research behind it. Not like it will make a difference...he's the kind of truther who ignores anything inconvenient.

I would try to find some write up of the Purdue simulation. Their simulation concluded the wings had little impact on the crash, disintigrating as they crashed into the reinforced concrete of the facade, IIRC.

TAM:)

[I Ratant]

Well I don't know about you, but I'm sure my arms will turn toward the wall while my brain sends braking instructions to my hands and legs.

MM
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