How about Geocentrism

[blue4x4pirate]

Galileo was wrong!

There's a conference coming up in November in South Bend, IN for those who believe that Earth is the center of the universe. See below and tell me this wouldn't be a good discussion topic:

galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong

Sorry its not a link, but I haven't posted enough yet...

[rjh01]

Here is the link http://galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong
However I got an error
Bandwidth Limit Exceeded

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.

I wonder if the site has any reasonable explanation for the fact that nearby stars appear to wobble with a one year cycle? One explanation is the parallax effect of the earth going around the sun. But if that does not happen, then we need another explanation.

And welcome to this forum, where all ideas get a critical review.

[Safe-Keeper]

It would indeed be a good discussion topic if it's got arguments in its favour that are interesting to discuss. From my brief look at the site, I'm not sure if that'll be the case.

[Fnord]

I got through, but they've imposed a block against copy-and-paste operations. They're charging $50 (US) for the event. Featured speakers are:

Dr. Robert Bennet
Dr. Gerry Bouw
Msr. Rick/Wyn Delano
Dr. Michael E. Jones
Mr. Hugh Miller
Mr. John Salza, Esq.
Mr. Martin Selbrede
Dr. Robert Sungenis (listed twice)
Mr. Mark Wyatt

There's much more info on the site, including curriculum vitae of the speakers.

[Jungle Jim]

Set aside the Universe for a moment. Does it matter that the Earth is not the center of its solar system, nor its Galaxy?

[Fnord]

I managed to copy-and-paste each speaker's topic...

Dr. Robert Sungenis: Geocentrism: They Know It But They're Hiding It

Mr. Mark Wyatt: Introduction to the Mechanics of Geocentrism

Dr. Robert Bennett: Scientific Experiments Showing Earth Motionless in Space

Msr. Rick/Wyn Delano: Scientific Evidence: Earth in the Center of the Universe

Mr. Martin Selbrede: Answering Common Objections to Geocentrism

Dr. Gerry Bouw: The Biblical Firmament: Outer Space is Not Empty

Dr. Robert Sungenis: Galileo and the Church: What Really Happened?

Mr. John Salza, Esq.: The Fathers and Exegesis of Scripture on Geocentrism

Dr. E. Michael Jones: English Ideology, Newton & the Exploitation of Science

Mr. Hugh Miller: Carbon 14 & Radiometric Dating Show Young Earth

Just who are these jokers, anyway?

[Mick Houlahan]

"First annual Catholic conference on geocentrism."

Say no more.:eye-poppi

[Fnord]

Well, that explains both the presence and the participation of Monsigñor Delano.

[rjh01]

I just googled the first name Dr. Robert Sungenis. He is a religious man, not a scientist. Here is his page http://www.catholicintl.com/

[sthomson]

More about Sungenis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sungenis), from Wikipedia:In 2008, Sungenis' bishop, Kevin C. Rhoades, denounced his views of the Jewish people and Judaism as "hostile, uncharitable, and un-Christian" and required Sungenis to stop writing about them. He also directed him to stop using the word "Catholic" in his organization's name. Sungenis has stated that he will only comply with Bishop Rhoades' directive to stop writing about Jews and Judaism if he is forced to do so "under the aegis of a canonical trial".This guy sounds outside the Catholic mainstream, to the point that his own bishop doesn't want anything to do with him.

ETA: I haven't been able to find a source for "Dr." Bennett's credentials, but from the Rational Skepticism forum (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/creationism/galileo-was-wrong-the-church-was-right-t12479-20.html):A tidbit from that discussion however: Dr. Robert J. Bennett "holds a doctorate in General Relativity from Stevens Institute of Technology" which apparently doesn't offer a doctorate in General Relativity

Edit part 2: It's right on the home page (http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/):Robert J. Bennett, Ph.D., holds a doctorate in General Relativity from Stevens Institute of Technology. He served as a physics instructor at Manhattan College and Bergen Community College from 1967-1983

[rjh01]

Also the fact that Venus goes round the sun and not the Earth can be verified by any decent amateur astronomer in the same way that Galileo did.

I also note that the OP has not been back since the OP.

[Jim_MDP]

This other thread may be dead, but there was talk of attending.


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=185446

[Tomtomkent]

So, nasty old scientists have been hiding the fact that the Earth is the centre of the universe? And they have managed to fool every budding star gazer with a telescope? I mena surely this is the only subject astologers and astronomers agree on?

[biomorph]

Here is the link http://galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong
However I got an error


I wonder if the site has any reasonable explanation for the fact that nearby stars appear to wobble with a one year cycle? One explanation is the parallax effect of the earth going around the sun. But if that does not happen, then we need another explanation.

And welcome to this forum, where all ideas get a critical review.

They'll probably just skip around that inconvenient fact, I'm sure...lol

ETA;

After reading more on the link provided, it appears to me to be a book selling exercise, and the lectures (?) are just ramping up the plaus-o-bility meter so as to give a load of nonsense the importance it lacks standing on its own feet.

Its a book buying puff workshop, it appears........

I liked this bit

in fact the position of the earth may be where it was held to be prior to the “Copernican revolution”


Or it may not..... where's the "is", rather than the may, eh?

my bolding there, of course,

honestly now, you could make it up.....or is that couldn't make it up?...lol

Instead of "add to basket" - I clicked "add to waste basket" - haha

[Fnord]

I also note that the OP has not been back since the OP.
He also used only one tag, "galileowaswrong". Why not include others, like "pseudoscienceseminar" or "buyourbooks", or even "whackjobconference"?

[rjh01]

He also used only one tag, "galileowaswrong". Why not include others, like "pseudoscienceseminar" or "buyourbooks", or even "whackjobconference"?

That is a tag I added. Tags should not to be used for opinions on the topic. If a person wants to express an opinion about a topic they can write a post. Tags should be used to connect different threads on the same or similar topics together. You will notice that if you click on the above tag it will produce two other threads on the same conference.

[Tomtomkent]

Capurnicas was wrong... the world revolves around my ego. :D

[Craig4]

What I find really amusing is that the Vatican's Astronomer doesn't believe in Geocentrism. Now the Vatican astronomer is a whacky guy in his own right (wanting to baptize aliens) but isn't trying to completely rewrite astrophysics to fit his weird fairy stories.

I wonder if any "scholars" from the Creationist Museum will come and lend their academic weight to the proceedings.

[znhunter]

This is a lot of (dare I say it) Bullcrap. I am a churchgoer and even I can't side with the radicals of the church. Here is a exerpt from the site:

Galileo Was Wrong is a detailed and comprehensive treatment of the scientific evidence supporting Geocentrism, the academic belief that the Earth is immobile in the center of the universe. Garnering scientific information from physics, astrophysics, astronomy and other sciences, Galileo Was Wrong shows that the debate between Galileo and the Catholic Church was much more than a difference of opinion about the interpretation of Scripture.
Scientific evidence available to us within the last 100 years that was not available during Galileo's confrontation shows that the Church's position on the immobility of the Earth is not only scientifically supportable, but it is the most stable model of the universe and the one which best answers all the evidence we see in the cosmos.

I mean, this just doesn't make a lot of sense!

[GreNME]

Why don't they just try to claim that Einstein's own Theory of Relativity makes for the geocentric explanation to have a strong basis in science?

Of course, this requires assuming that Newtonian physics are completely irrelevant (and I guess in a sense they aren't really as relevant in the void of space except for ballistics), but I'm sure a clever geocentrist could work this to their advantage.