Video supports missile theory at WTC

[MaGZ]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:


…we have eyewitnesses, I can give you their contact information, who were inside building 7 at 9:00 o’clock in the morning, before the (unintelligible-towers?) came down and witnessed massive explosions that killed large numbers of people, devastated the lobby, there were pre-demolition explosions.


I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads) I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue. Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

[jhunter1163]

I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2.

And you have always been wrong. But I'll give you credit for consistency.

[T.A.M.]

And this example of "evidence" is why NO ONE takes the truthers seriously. Seriously.

TAM

[dafydd]

This sub forum is so entertaining,thank you for my morning chuckle Mag.

[CHF]

Are you a "disinfo" agent out to discredit the TM, MaGZ?

Be honest.

[twinstead]

You TOO, MaGZ?!

Because no matter what the preponderance of evidence says, if I see a little spec on a lossy youtube video that I can't explain I can unequivocally state that a missile hit the WTC too.

Bravo!

[twinstead]

Are you a "disinfo" agent out to discredit the TM, MaGZ?

Be honest.

MaGZ is Bob in accounting on my floor up here in NWO towers. Come on Bob, poke your head above your cubicle and let me know it's you. You are a GENIOUS!

[leftysergeant]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc



Did you people even watch the video? I can excuse you if you were thinking, "just the same old MaGZ truckload of already debunked fail," because you would have been totally right about that.

The creator of the video calls Kevin McPadden a "first-responder."

:dl:

[Sabretooth]

I really need to start reading the posts here before clicking on the videos...

I found the end especially funny. The part about the demolition truck. Should we be surprised that a "Manhattan Demolition" garbage truck was in Manhattan?

[T.A.M.]

Kevin "i change my story basedon my audience" Mcpadden? Wow havent seen his name surface in a while.

TAM:)

[Sabretooth]

wait...so now it's a missile instead of thermite?

[fitzgibbon]

Wonder when the 'truth' movement's going to come up with a Grand Unified Truth theory to explain all the variations on the 'truth'?

[Scott Jurgenson]

Wonder when the 'truth' movement's going to come up with a Grand Unified Truth theory to explain all the variations on the 'truth'?

I ask on youtube daily, still have yet to get one. I'm dead serious. I'm sure many have started to respond with one, however, a few sentences in they realize how bat **** crazy they look and stop.

This is just how I picture it to be in my cool little skeptic world.

[beachnut]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83514

Wrong in 2007, wrong now. lol, is this the same missile as your last insane claim?

[Resume]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

Since the NWO agents will be there shortly, can I have your hot pockets?

[AJM8125]

Careful what you ask for.

[16.5]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:

I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads) I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue. Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

Uh, MaGZ, I know this is your pet theory and all, and it special to you, super special! You want to hold it, and pet, and give it water, and see it grow up to take its rightful place next to such other world renowned theories like, The Holocaust Was an Inside Jobby Job, and Magical Bigfoots across the Ninth Dimension Jobby Job.

Unfortunately, he did not identify himself as a reporter (not that it would have made any difference), your nutball friend claimed he "had a reporter," and then changed his story in midstream.

Anyway, cool story bro!

[Horatius]

Kevin "i change my story basedon my audience" Mcpadden? Wow havent seen his name surface in a while.

TAM:)



Oh, it's even better than that. The guy MaGZ is citing (at about the 3 minute mark) is just some guy in the audience of a McPadden talk, who cites some unnamed witnesses he claims have testified as to the explosions, bodies, etc. in WTC 7



wait...so now it's a missile instead of thermite?



Relax. This is just MaGZ's own personal delusion. Even other truthers think he's nuts.

[Resume]

Careful what you ask for.

Ain't that the truth. (sorry)

[Jackanory]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:



I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads) I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue. Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

Proper viewing and listening would help. It's the little things that people say that are often revealing. Exageration is a common trait in those who have experienced traumatic events. The senses are hightened and time slows/speeds up etc. Seen it many times. Hint...........Barry Jennings was smashing windows with fire extinguishers........yet you imply that a huge explosion (supposedly from pre placed explosives) wrecked everything around him!!!!!! EXCEPT THE WINDOWS, THE LEAST RESISTANT MATERIAL KNOWN TO THE BLAST WAVE OF EXPLOSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yet Barry found an intact window.........and an extinguisher. How much damage did those 'explosives' cause??? lol.

[alienentity]

Proper viewing and listening would help. It's the little things that people say that are often revealing. Exageration is a common trait in those who have experienced traumatic events. The senses are hightened and time slows/speeds up etc. Seen it many times. Hint...........Barry Jennings was smashing windows with fire extinguishers........yet you imply that a huge explosion (supposedly from pre placed explosives) wrecked everything around him!!!!!! EXCEPT THE WINDOWS, THE LEAST RESISTANT MATERIAL KNOWN TO THE BLAST WAVE OF EXPLOSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yet Barry found an intact window.........and an extinguisher. How much damage did those 'explosives' cause??? lol.

Actually most of the windows in the area that Hess was calling out of were intact. I'm putting together a little video based on the latest release of footage to show where Jennings and Hess were located.

To the OP I say 'So what?' This is just another Looney Conspiracy Theory based on ignorance of the facts and wild speculation.
It will go nowhere.

Now the lobby of WTC 7 was a morgue? Better tell that to the people who were there...

[1337m4n]

a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2.

That doesn't sound like an evil conspiracy. That sounds like an innocent mistake that occurred as a result of ultimately good intentions.

Why go to all this trouble to cover-up an innocent mistake that occurred as a result of ultimately good intentions? The worst that would happen if word got out is that the fighter pilot gets canned.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:



I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads) I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue. Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

Right, and we're to believe a bunch of nutcases!

[Jackanory]

Actually most of the windows in the area that Hess was calling out of were intact. I'm putting together a little video based on the latest release of footage to show where Jennings and Hess were located.

To the OP I say 'So what?' This is just another Looney Conspiracy Theory based on ignorance of the facts and wild speculation.
It will go nowhere.

Now the lobby of WTC 7 was a morgue? Better tell that to the people who were there...

Beggars belief. Those windows must have been pre placed super secret military ones that only break on being impacted with a nano thermite encrusted extinguisher but withstand the blast wave of explosives, missiles, mini nukes and ray beams. Good old Jack & Jill was good enough for me. lol.

A real world senario which requires a building being partialy hit by debris from another building, fire and time would explain the reason why some windows remained intact. Rational thinkers have no problem in reality. Much more realistic than bombs and beam rays wouldnt you think? lol. Geez, Barry also says that the elevator doors opened/exploded and a man was on fire inside. On fire. Not blasted to pieces, but on fire. Kinda telling. It's the little details. Fire balls tend to burn people. Bombs/explosives tend to blast people to pieces or at minimum punch holes through flesh, remove your arms and legs, requires the removal of surrounding solid matter from the body, make your ears blead and give you a nasty headache. Seen it. Not Nice. Barry, on the other hand, describes none of this. Kinda telling to the rational and/or knowledgeable.

[Captain_Swoop]

maybe it was all confusion due to a typo and it was marmite not thermite

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

:Dmaybe it was all confusion due to a typo and it was marmite not thermite

It could also been the word "termite". :D

[Thunder]

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

wrong. :p

[BigAl]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:



I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

[sheeplesnshills]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:



I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads) I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue. Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

And why would anyone conceal that if in fact thats what happened?. Plus the warhead on a air to air missile is tiny and would do almost no damage to a building.
As for bodies in WTC7.....it was raining poor desperate jumpers that morning and also parts of buildings and planes. So it would be no surprise that some were taken into a nearby office building foyer. If no reported doing that, its quite possible that they planned to but were killed in the towers collapsing.

[Jackanory]

:D

It could also been the word "termite". :D

Or hermit. Basement dwelling dyslexic hermits with tin foil hats. :D

[Jackanory]

And why would anyone conceal that if in fact thats what happened?. Plus the warhead on a air to air missile is tiny and would do almost no damage to a building.
As for bodies in WTC7.....it was raining poor desperate jumpers that morning and also parts of buildings and planes. So it would be no surprise that some were taken into a nearby office building foyer. If no reported doing that, its quite possible that they planned to but were killed in the towers collapsing.

iirc that is what happened. Temporary morgues being set up. Bodies in churches, cafe's etc. Pehaps they were hit by missiles and bombs too. Reality sucks and doesnt live up to the blockbuster movie world of large fire ball explosions and big bangs so they have to make it up. For some reason the reality of real life tragedy fails in comparison to Die Hard and Terminator.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Or hermit. Basement dwelling dyslexic hermits with tin foil hats. :D

Remember the movie with Kermit the Frog in it, "Muppets Take Manhattan"?

Kermit did it! :D

[Horatius]

wrong. :p



And on so many levels, too!

[MaGZ]

Proper viewing and listening would help. It's the little things that people say that are often revealing. Exageration is a common trait in those who have experienced traumatic events. The senses are hightened and time slows/speeds up etc. Seen it many times. Hint...........Barry Jennings was smashing windows with fire extinguishers........yet you imply that a huge explosion (supposedly from pre placed explosives) wrecked everything around him!!!!!! EXCEPT THE WINDOWS, THE LEAST RESISTANT MATERIAL KNOWN TO THE BLAST WAVE OF EXPLOSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yet Barry found an intact window.........and an extinguisher. How much damage did those 'explosives' cause??? lol.

I have never suggested the 9:03 explosion were pre placed explosions.

[alienentity]

I have never suggested the 9:03 explosion were pre placed explosions.

Look, there were other people in WTC 7 at 9:03am - they didn't report a giant explosion and fires. So your idea is just plain silly.

To add some more nails to the coffin, there were also people in the building when the towers hit, and no question that the damage to the building occurred during both collapses.
The initial damage to the lobby was filmed shortly after WTC 2 collapsed. It's in my Barry Jennings video.

Sorry, you might as well be arguing that space aliens vaporized the towers, it makes as much sense.

[BigAl]

I have never suggested the 9:03 explosion were pre placed explosions.

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

[NYCEMT86]

McPadden???? LULZ! Where is that fool now a days? I mean where are all these "credible witnesses"? Sounds like a countdown? 3...2...1? Really?


Typically on a scene like these, the IC (incident commander) asks the dispatcher what companies are responding and what their roles will be. Dispatchers never say 321 (three hundred twenty one)...they say each number to clarify the company, like 3..2..1...which is funny because...

http://www.fdnytrucks.com/files/html/brooklyn/e321.htm

[Oystein]

Video supports missile theory at WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc

On this video--about three minutes into it--you have someone who identified himself as a reporter talking to Amy Goodman about WTC 7. He makes the following statement:



I have always maintained that a missile hit WTC 7 at 9:03--fired by one of the Otis fighters that just arrived at the Twin Towers--attempting to shoot down the second plane before it hit WTC 2. (see past threads)

Barry Jennings was on the way to work when he got a first message about a "Cessna" crashing into the first tower. he got that message after 8:46, evidently. Let's make that 8:48. He then had to get near WTC7 (8:51) park his car (8:53), walk to the WTC7 lobby (8:56), wait for an elevator (8:57), go up to the 23rd floor (8:58), find it empty, make a few calls (9:01), try to take an elvator down (9:03), walk down to the 6th floor (he is a heavy man with bad knees - 17 stories down is easily 5 minutes, when you don't think your in danger - 9:08)
Then he experienced some loud noise and stuff below him.

No, Barry Jennings was not down at the 6th floor at 9:03, and he did not here a missile explosion.

I have claimed people were killed on Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 and their bodies were taken into the lobby and used as a temporary morgue.

No. The lobby was used early on (after the second plane) to treat some lightly injured people. About hald to a full dozend of them.

Here we have someone who claims to have witnesses who were inside WTC 7 with firsthand knowledge of the explosion around 9:00.

Conveniently, that guy neither identifies himself nor his claimed witnesses. He is full of truther lore.
I am pretty sure he refers to nothing else but Dylan AveryÄs interview with Barry Jennings.

Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 in a stairwell and experienced the explosion at this time causing the collapse of the stairs he was on. Later he reports witnessing the devastates lobby as he escaped from WTC 7 and speaks of dead bodies in the lobby.

No, he does most definitely not speak of dead bodies.
In a later interview he explicitly denies seeing dead bodies.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were alone in experiencing that "explosion". At 9:03, WTC7 was still full of people, very full. It was not nearly evacuated by then. Someone evacuating from the 47th floor would need 12 minutes to walk down the stairs! Suppose everybody started evacuating immedatley after the first crash (8:46) - with staircases clogged with thousands of people, no way you are done by 9:03. But Jennings and Hess reported that that "explosion" blocked the stairs, and they coould not find a way down. They were alone then.
No way in the world was that at 9:03.

To be clear, this explosion in front of WTC 7 lobby had nothing to do with pre-demolition; it was the result of a missile strike.

An explosion in front of the WTC7 would not have blowns Jennings and Hess up at the 6th floor inside the stairwell whilst not being notice by anyone else at all.



You are very delusioned, or a troll.
Good thing I already decided to put you on ignore.

[MaGZ]

Barry Jennings was on the way to work when he got a first message about a "Cessna" crashing into the first tower. he got that message after 8:46, evidently. Let's make that 8:48. He then had to get near WTC7 (8:51) park his car (8:53), walk to the WTC7 lobby (8:56), wait for an elevator (8:57), go up to the 23rd floor (8:58), find it empty, make a few calls (9:01), try to take an elvator down (9:03), walk down to the 6th floor (he is a heavy man with bad knees - 17 stories down is easily 5 minutes, when you don't think your in danger - 9:08)
Then he experienced some loud noise and stuff below him.

No, Barry Jennings was not down at the 6th floor at 9:03, and he did not here a missile explosion.



No. The lobby was used early on (after the second plane) to treat some lightly injured people. About hald to a full dozend of them.



Conveniently, that guy neither identifies himself nor his claimed witnesses. He is full of truther lore.
I am pretty sure he refers to nothing else but Dylan AveryÄs interview with Barry Jennings.



No, he does most definitely not speak of dead bodies.
In a later interview he explicitly denies seeing dead bodies.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were alone in experiencing that "explosion". At 9:03, WTC7 was still full of people, very full. It was not nearly evacuated by then. Someone evacuating from the 47th floor would need 12 minutes to walk down the stairs! Suppose everybody started evacuating immedatley after the first crash (8:46) - with staircases clogged with thousands of people, no way you are done by 9:03. But Jennings and Hess reported that that "explosion" blocked the stairs, and they coould not find a way down. They were alone then.
No way in the world was that at 9:03.



An explosion in front of the WTC7 would not have blowns Jennings and Hess up at the 6th floor inside the stairwell whilst not being notice by anyone else at all.



You are very delusioned, or a troll.
Good thing I already decided to put you on ignore.

Check here to see when WTC 7 was evacuated
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a903

[Jonnyclueless]

A more plausible explanation:

http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/

BTW, I would just love to get an idea of how truthers think that missile planning meeting went down. Perhaps one of them could provide us with a possible re-enactment.

[MaGZ]

No, he does most definitely not speak of dead bodies.
In a later interview he explicitly denies seeing dead bodies.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were alone in experiencing that "explosion". At 9:03, WTC7 was still full of people, very full. It was not nearly evacuated by then. Someone evacuating from the 47th floor would need 12 minutes to walk down the stairs! Suppose everybody started evacuating immedatley after the first crash (8:46) - with staircases clogged with thousands of people, no way you are done by 9:03. But Jennings and Hess reported that that "explosion" blocked the stairs, and they coould not find a way down. They were alone then.
No way in the world was that at 9:03.


And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, "Do not look down." I kept saying, "Why?" We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole... in this wall, and that's how they got us out... this huge police officer came over to me and he said, "You have to run". I said, "I can't, my knees are swollen". [He said] "You'll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions." That's when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety." - Barry Jennings

[MaGZ]

A more plausible explanation:

http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/

BTW, I would just love to get an idea of how truthers think that missile planning meeting went down. Perhaps one of them could provide us with a possible re-enactment.

The missile came from the fighters from Otis air base that were sent to NYC.

[BigAl]

The missile came from the fighters from Otis air base that were sent to NYC.

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

[MaGZ]

Barry Jennings was on the way to work when he got a first message about a "Cessna" crashing into the first tower. he got that message after 8:46, evidently. Let's make that 8:48. He then had to get near WTC7 (8:51) park his car (8:53), walk to the WTC7 lobby (8:56), wait for an elevator (8:57), go up to the 23rd floor (8:58), find it empty, make a few calls (9:01), try to take an elvator down (9:03), walk down to the 6th floor (he is a heavy man with bad knees - 17 stories down is easily 5 minutes, when you don't think your in danger - 9:08)
Then he experienced some loud noise and stuff below him.

No, Barry Jennings was not down at the 6th floor at 9:03, and he did not here a missile explosion.


When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.

[Horatius]

When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.



Hmmm....


Check here to see when WTC 7 was evacuated
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a903

The Office of Emergency Management’s command center, on the 23rd floor of WTC 7, is not evacuated until later, at 9:30 a.m


D'oh!

[MaGZ]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm


Then I thought about going into the subways but abandoned that idea as I thought it might fill with gas, causing an explosion. Then I contemplated Vesey Street, but remembered that was where the first explosion had happened, so I decided to go out under the concourse towards the Trinity Street side. As I jumped over the railing, there were Port Authority Police directing people out every exit in front of the buildings. Some of us helped to organize the move and shouted, “Move fast but don’t
push!”

[Zep]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htmMASSIVE reading comprehension fail of your own source:On 9/11/01 I went to my office - located on the 11th floor in 2 WTC - as I have for the past 21 years.
I am one of approximately 100 people who worked there for Verizon Communications. Most of them are technicians and, after they get their assignments from managers like myself, they go to various offices around the World Trade Centre.

On Tuesday 9/11, at about 8:45am, I heard a loud bang and the building shook. As I looked out the window, I could see papers flying all around. Being the floor warden, I shouted for everyone to leave the building. Everyone close to me jumped up and ran out while I searched the floor for anyone who hadn’t heard the bang.

...

Then I thought about going into the subways but abandoned that idea as I thought it might fill with gas, causing an explosion. Then I contemplated Vesey Street, but remembered that was where the first explosion had happened, so I decided to go out under the concourse towards the Trinity Street side. As I jumped over the railing, there were Port Authority Police directing people out every exit in front of the buildings. Some of us helped to organize the move and shouted, “Move fast but don’t push!”

[Bell]

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

Tough question, MaGZ is not going to answer this :rolleyes:

[alienentity]

an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00.

Citation please. Who called it?

I'll give you a citation you should have. 'At approximately 9:44am, after the report of a third aircraft heading the city and news that the Pentagon had been attacked, a Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC 7 (Sheirer 2004) This order included the evacuation of the OEM operations center on the 23rd floor. The loss of the OEM operations center created difficulties related to the coordination of emergency responder operations and resources'

NIST NCSTAR 1-8 p 109

I have a distinct feeling you're going to ignore this or just handwave it away as part of the 'conspiracy'. But there it is. Further, did you know that at 9:30am FDNY, EMS established a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7?
(also on p 109 of NCSTAR 1-8)

Now, think for a moment: they were in the building continuously up to that point, yet nobody reported an explosion and fire in WTC 7. How can that be, if Jennings' interpretation is correct?
That would mean all those people, all the FDNY personnel, EMT, OEM people are all lying.

Occam's razor says they're not, because Barry Jennings' claim cannot be corroborated. It simply means that ONE man was wrong, that's all. No grand conspiracy.
People do make mistakes you know. ;)

[funk de fino]

I have never suggested the 9:03 explosion were pre placed explosions.

Mike Catalano debunks your missile nonsense. You are repeating the same lies. You have no clue about missiles or you would not even have started with this delusion

[funk de fino]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

Another lie. On a roll there.

[Zep]

Another lie. On a roll there.Oh, I don't know! :p Perhaps not so much "a lie" as the fact he can't read and comprehend for toffee. ;)

[Oystein]

Check here to see when WTC 7 was evacuated
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a903

Let's see... I follow the first link given on that historycommons page:

http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/101801/11338-1.shtml

Once he heard the building was being evacuated, he, along with his coworkers, headed for the stairwell and started the five-minute journey from the ninth floor to the lobby.

First from the lobby then the loading dock where he and others were allowed to exit the building, he saw an awful spectacle: a fireball from the plane crashing into Tower Two

So evacuation from the 9th floor started 5 minutes before the second crash. Make that 8:58.
That is a good match with the first item at history commons:
At 8:59 a.m., the ... PAPD commanding officer ... calls for the evacuation of the North Tower and the South Tower... Thirty seconds later, the officer repeats his order, but this time calls for all the buildings in the WTC complex to be evacuated.
That puts the evacuation order for all WTC buildings, including 7, at 9:00.
Given that descent from 9th to lobby might take a little less than 9 minutes for a fit person - 2 or 3 minutes, depending on traffic in the staircase - I find this to be good confirmation.

It takes much more than 3 or 5 minutes to evacuate the entire building, up to the 47th floor.

Thus, it is absoltutely certain that at 9:03 there were still many people above the 6th floor.


You also need to note what Joseph Wall witnessed in the lobby of the WTC7: It was the crash into the second tower. It was NOT a missile hat to the lobby!


Justo Andaluz's story, who worked with Joseph Wall and presumably evacuated the 9th floor at the same time:

As he looked through the lobby windows, he saw debris falling then realized people were jumping from office windows. "That sight still is in my mind," he said.

After the second explosion, the calm was shattered.

Again, he is in the lobby as the second tower is hit. NO missile reported by this soldier!


At any rate, the paraphrase of historycommons about that (these) soldiers is misleading or maybe plain wrong. They claim
According to a soldier at the scene, WTC Building 7 is evacuated before the second tower is hit.

Since these 9th-floor people were in the lobby when the second tower was hit, they were not evacuated at that time. If 9th-floor occupants reached the lobby by that time, many occupants from floors 18 and up probably did not.
So if they mean "evacuation was already underway", that is correct.
If they mean "evacuation had started", that would be correct.
The important point remains: WTC7 was still full of people when the second plane struck, and none of them witnessed any deacth or destruction to the building.

Barry Jennings an Michael Hess arrived at the 6th floor stair very much after 9:03.

[Oystein]

And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, "Do not look down." I kept saying, "Why?" We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole... in this wall, and that's how they got us out... this huge police officer came over to me and he said, "You have to run". I said, "I can't, my knees are swollen". [He said] "You'll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions." That's when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety." - Barry Jennings

I am missing a crucial word here. Where are the dead people?
He did not see any.

At any rate, Jenning's testimony is wildly off. His timeline, his interpretation are mumble-jumble and cannot be corroborated with anything.
Which is not at all unusual for people going through a terrifying ordeal without receiving information what the hell is going on.

Like I said: I once overheard a man who told his buddy that an earthquake we all felt the night before shook for about 2 minutes. Which he described as "not very long". In reality, the rattler was over in 10-14 seconds (depending on location). That's how wildly off people's perception of time can be in siuations that frighten them and which they have no experience with.

[BigAl]

Martin Kelly was in WTC 1 and experienced the first plane hit the building . He evacuate and when he was in the lobby of WTC 1 he hears an explosion coming from Vesey Street. This was when the missile hit at 9:03.
http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/kelly.htm

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.

[Oystein]

When Jennings and Hess got to the emergency command center the center was evacuated. Do you know why? Because the second hijacked aircraft was approaching the WTC area and an emergency evacuation of WTC 7 was called around 9:00. Jennings and Hess made some calls at the command center and they were told to get out the building immediately. They were in the stairwell at 9:03 when the missile his the south side of WTC 7 setting off the oil-filled transforms causing the collapse of the stairwell in a missive cloud of black smoke.

A heavy man like Jennings, who gets swollen knees from walking stairs, walks at most 4 floors down a minute. More likely 3.
23rd to 6th is 17 floors.
Or 4 to 6 minutes.
They made a few calls.
Evacuation of WTC7 was ordered no sooner than 9:00
If they made a call where the man on the other end told them to evacuate, that call was not made and finished before 9:01
Now Hess and Jennings give the elevators a try - and find them non-functional. So they walk to the stairs. Something they have never done before.
Descent starts no sooner than 9:02.
They arrive at the 6th floor no sooner than 9:06.
3 minutes too late for your story.

But it is totally unclear if they really arrived at the OEM at or even before 9:00.
Their story makes a whole lot more sense if you assume it all happened much later, and they were at the 6th floor at 9:59.
Time flies sometimes, ya know...

[SpitfireIX]

wait...so now it's a missile instead of thermite?


You're new around here, aren't you?

[excaza]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.

[Horatius]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.



Oh come on....


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...if a helicopter can do it.....


Saw that on TV last year after reading MaGZ, and I thought, "No, he couldn't possible think....", but then I remembered: It's MaGZ.

[Sabretooth]

A missile....from an F-16. An orbital laser cannon is more plausible.

It was the same F-16 that launched the magical rainbow EMP attack on FL93...

[alienentity]

A heavy man like Jennings, who gets swollen knees from walking stairs, walks at most 4 floors down a minute. More likely 3.
23rd to 6th is 17 floors.
Or 4 to 6 minutes.
They made a few calls.
Evacuation of WTC7 was ordered no sooner than 9:00
If they made a call where the man on the other end told them to evacuate, that call was not made and finished before 9:01
Now Hess and Jennings give the elevators a try - and find them non-functional. So they walk to the stairs. Something they have never done before.
Descent starts no sooner than 9:02.
They arrive at the 6th floor no sooner than 9:06.
3 minutes too late for your story.

But it is totally unclear if they really arrived at the OEM at or even before 9:00.
Their story makes a whole lot more sense if you assume it all happened much later, and they were at the 6th floor at 9:59.
Time flies sometimes, ya know...

Good posts above. Just a little addition - the evacuation of the OEM was not ordered until later, which makes perfect sense: regular employees were not working in the OEM, so would be asked to leave the building.

[beachnut]

How do you get a supersonic missile to not "sonic boom"? The new neoNAZI (i no) supersonic, non-booming, invisible missile, no vapor trail, and more.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I like how MaGZ is pretending that there was alledged "missiles" that hit the WTC's. Kind of like those retards who think that an alledged "cruise missile" hit the Pentagon.

If there were missiles, why isn't there a single witness remarking that they saw missiles? Why do alot of witnesses remark seeing 2 planes that hit the WTCs'?

Those questions will never be answered because the Truthers are too scared to comment.

[Wolrab]

MaGZ; What do believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it.
The Otis fighters were fitted with FLLRAAP (Fighter Launched Long Range Air to Air Pigeon) missiles. There are also homing models and carrier based types.

[MaGZ]

I like how MaGZ is pretending that there was alledged "missiles" that hit the WTC's. Kind of like those retards who think that an alledged "cruise missile" hit the Pentagon.

If there were missiles, why isn't there a single witness remarking that they saw missiles? Why do alot of witnesses remark seeing 2 planes that hit the WTCs'?

Those questions will never be answered because the Truthers are too scared to comment.

The CNN live transcript at the time of the second plane impact reported that people had seen a missile. Also there were dozens of 911 calls to police about people seeing a missile.

[alienentity]

The CNN live transcript at the time of the second plane impact reported that people had seen a missile. Also there were dozens of 911 calls to police about people seeing a missile.

Where did they say the missile struck? WTC 2 or WTC 7?

If you can find a reference showing people reported a missile striking WTC 7, then good on you. I doubt very much that you can.

[funk de fino]

The CNN live transcript at the time of the second plane impact reported that people had seen a missile. Also there were dozens of 911 calls to police about people seeing a missile.

Mike Catalano was in the WTC7. He debunks your silly claim. There was no explosion prior to the tower collapse at WTC7.

Your nonsense about the evacuation time has also beeen demolished. Walk away.

[BigAl]

The CNN live transcript at the time of the second plane impact reported that people had seen a missile. Also there were dozens of 911 calls to police about people seeing a missile.

MaGZ; What do you believe is the largest missile that one of these jets can carry? Name it