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abramis
18th February 2004, 02:10 PM
Hmm. A couple of weeks ago at my University I was studying with some of my class mates, when someone began telling a myth that has been circulated for, oh, about 30 years here in Sweden.
This myth is usuallly strongly defended by the believers, even when faced with the bare facts.

In Sweden we have to buy our liqour at special stores called Systembolaget, which have monopoly on the market, and is controlled by the state. This is how they try to keep consumption down, so that we donīt drink ourselves to death.At the same time though, they are run with the intention of making profit. You can think what you will of this system, but it works to some degree.

The myth goes that Systembolaget, in itīs efforts to protect the consumers of alcoholic beverages, put in a certain substance which is said to induce nausuea, thus prevent any further drinking and in the end, alcohol poisoning.

I argued that it seems pretty unlikely that they on every single imported bottle, like say Dom Perignon, would unkork it to pour the named substance, without any complaints from the brewery. This argument was countered with: - They are all involved in a secret pact, and will of course deny it when questioned!
I asked how they, if this is a secret, knew about it? Answer: - Because when you travel to another country on vacation, you donīt throw up as much when you drink their liqour.
Aha... I should have figured. I tried to point out the fact that alcohol, is chemically considered to be toxic to our bodies, and maybe this was the cause of their nausea. I recieved a pretty sour answer, that it was just non-drinker propaganda. (This was aimed at me, since I donīt drink.) Anyway, I said that I would look this up, and provide them with facts.

About a day later, I had gathered several sources from the internet, including Systembolagets own homepage, dealing with this myth. I presented this to my opponents.

What freaked me out, was that they accepted the facts, with just a couple of tiny protests. I also gained some respect, as they said that it was a good thing that someone keep track of things. Usually, when I oppose something that doesnīt seem right, I donīt make many friends. But this time it seems to have given a positive reaction. Strange, but good for future discussions.

Anyway, I just had to tell about this rare event... There is hope for skeptisism.

:D

ceptimus
18th February 2004, 02:19 PM
Well done abramis.

You must have a good teaching style :) Perhaps you can enlighten some people about homeopathy or astrology etc., using the same technique.

Soapy Sam
18th February 2004, 03:16 PM
Nicely done.
I imagine the drinkers (especially the heavy drinkers) are well aware that it's the alcohol in alcohol that does the damage, not any secret additive; and that foreigners- (I'm a Scot. Trust me.)- get just as drunk and just as ill afterwards as any Scandinavians.

WildCat
18th February 2004, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by abramis
In Sweden we have to buy our liqour at special stores called Systembolaget, which have monopoly on the market, and is controlled by the state.
I had no idea Sweden was so backwards. Sounds a lot like Ohio, but w/o walleye. ;)

Wrath of the Swarm
18th February 2004, 03:41 PM
Penn and Teller relate a similar story about Listerine (antiseptic breath-freshening liquid that's a combination of various plant oils with lots of alcohol). They had heard a story that the company that makes the stuff put a nausea-inducing ingredient in it to prevent winos from buying it for a cheap high and ODing.

They thought it was a stupid story. But, they used it in a trick.

They poured out a bottle of Listerine (which has a very potent mediciny odor) and let its smell fill a room. Then they filled the bottle with apple cider watered down until it matched the color of Listerine perfectly. Then they brought someone into the room (which smelled strongly of Listerine), told them about the story, and said they were going to disprove it by having Teller drink the entire bottle. (Maybe a liter, liter-and-a-half of fluid.)

No one watched Teller gulp down more than a few mouthfuls of the stuff without throwing up.

wayrad
18th February 2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Soapy Sam
Nicely done.
I imagine the drinkers (especially the heavy drinkers) are well aware that it's the alcohol in alcohol that does the damage, not any secret additive; and that foreigners- (I'm a Scot. Trust me.)- get just as drunk and just as ill afterwards as any Scandinavians. Perhaps it's a matter of Swedish national pride - they only throw up because of nasty additives, but foreigners do it because they can't hold their liquor.:D

They had stores like that when I lived in Oregon too - beer and wine were sold in grocery stores, but hard liquor could only be bought from state stores. Seemed like a fair trade for no income tax (at least for those of us who didn't care for hard liquor).

Yahweh
18th February 2004, 04:11 PM
I think it has been more than one occasion where I've had to print out the "no, lip balm is not addictive (http://www.blistex.com/frame%20content/lip_balm_addiction.htm)" and Snopes "Carmex article (http://www.snopes.com/business/secret/carmex.asp)" pages to keep all the young conspiracy theorists from developing a fear of lip balm...

Although sometimes a good honest effort is useless: "Of course, its only natural a site such as blistex.com would tell its consumers that their product is not addictive... but it is!"

Jeff Corey
18th February 2004, 04:15 PM
I've read that after Bush senior's visit to Japan, the Japanese refer to projectile vomiting as "busharu". Anyone know if it's true?
I do know that dogmeat stew in Korea is called "bushintang".

Soapy Sam
19th February 2004, 06:52 AM
"Bushido" , surely?

abramis
19th February 2004, 09:02 AM
... shouldnīt "Bushido" come out the other end...?

Drooper
19th February 2004, 09:17 AM
Nice try abramis, but I'm not buying it.

Every time I go out and drink 10 pints I end up spewing my guts out. There is definately something fishy going on.