Jesus wants you to vote for Bush

[odorousrex]

It seems to me like religion is going to play quite a factor is the election this year versus years past (in the modern era). From all the mention of god in speeches and debates and such.

So does Kerry have a chance against the God Squad?
Will Kerry play to the God Squad in an attempt to sway them?
Does the God Squad even matter?
Why aren't democrats seen as religious?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by odorousrex
It seems to me like religion is going to play quite a factor is the election this year versus years past (in the modern era). From all the mention of god in speeches and debates and such.

So does Kerry have a chance against the God Squad?
Will Kerry play to the God Squad in an attempt to sway them?
Does the God Squad even matter?
Why aren't democrats seen as religious?

It always plays a big roll in the elections, this year is not much different with the exception of the whole ware on terror thing where we are fighting religious fanatics.

[zenith-nadir]

I've always like this line from a song by Roger Waters;

"What god wants...god gets....god help us all..."

[corplinx]

When I was at a catholic university, many students opposed Bush because in Texas after people were tried by a judge/jury and given the death penalty; Bush didn't grant pardons.

Ergo, this made Bush a murderer in their eyes.

The fundamentalists though will stick with Bush.

[Hutch]

Originally posted by Grammatron


....where we are fighting religious fanatics.

Ah, like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fawell, and the God Hates Fags Reverend?


;) :p :D

[Zep]

Just a comment from an outsider, which means I could be WAY wrong:

Is it true to say that the actual numbers of raving fundies, such as Robertson and Falwell and Mr GHF etc, is really extremely low in proportion to the noise they create? That is, it's just a tiny bunch of very loud people with access to media, not actually a groundswell of religious fervour at all?

Or is it actually true that the much-talked-about "Bible Belt" actually exists - that there are millions of people regularly churching on Sunday and trying to convert each other?

I'm trying to get a feel for the real lie of the land here.

[evildave]

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[Johnny Pneumatic]

Or is it actually true that the much-talked-about "Bible Belt" actually exists - that there are millions of people regularly churching on Sunday and trying to convert each other?-Zep





Zep, its no myth. I live in it. Jebus Fish, "restore praying in schools" bumper stickers, Ten Commandments as historical documents on public school walls, three Fundi channels when
there are only eight channels on TV!

[Jocko]

Originally posted by odorousrex
It seems to me like religion is going to play quite a factor is the election this year versus years past (in the modern era). From all the mention of god in speeches and debates and such.

So does Kerry have a chance against the God Squad?
Will Kerry play to the God Squad in an attempt to sway them?
Does the God Squad even matter?
Why aren't democrats seen as religious?

Oh, fer Chrissakes, God has as much to do with the election as He does with all those touchdowns/home runs/3-pointers everyone's giving Him gredit for. God doesn't vote. We plan, God laughs. Who could doubt it?

If you're asking whether religious PEOPLE will affect the vote, then it's a valid, if simple, question I guess. Religious conservatives vote republican in 2004, just like they always have in modern times. No mystery. They'll be a component just like anyone else, no less predictale than union members voting democrat.

Why not start a thread on the ghost of Jimmy Hoffa pulling for Kerry? At least that would have some element of mystery to it.

[shuize]

Jesus wants you to vote for Bush I knew that already.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Zep
Just a comment from an outsider, which means I could be WAY wrong:

Is it true to say that the actual numbers of raving fundies, such as Robertson and Falwell and Mr GHF etc, is really extremely low in proportion to the noise they create? That is, it's just a tiny bunch of very loud people with access to media, not actually a groundswell of religious fervour at all?

Or is it actually true that the much-talked-about "Bible Belt" actually exists - that there are millions of people regularly churching on Sunday and trying to convert each other?

I'm trying to get a feel for the real lie of the land here.

I'm ashamed to admit this, Zep, but the much talked about bible-belt is not only real, but it tends to strangle the country. Nashville Tn, where I live has a large number of churches (http://www.churchangel.com/nashvill.htm), though I've lost the exact number. I do know that it is more than any city in the US, and it is, in fact, more than some STATES. Nashville is often referred to as the buckle of the bible belt.

Down here, you find that attitudes of people like Falwell, Robertson, and Phelps are the majority opinion. It's a truly frightening situation.

[Ladewig]

Nashville is often referred to as the buckle of the bible belt.


As Dave Atell says, "And remember, the buckle is the end that hurts the most when you get hit by it."

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Ladewig



As Dave Atell says, "And remember, the buckle is the end that hurts the most when you get hit by it."

Speaking as a non-christian, Dave Atell could not possibly have been more accurate.

[varwoche]

> So does Kerry have a chance against the God Squad?

Who knows, let's pray!

> Will Kerry play to the God Squad in an attempt to sway them?
> Does the God Squad even matter?

Doubtful imo. It's the electoral map and a roll of the dice that a perfect hand will be played.

varwoche

[Marc]

Originally posted by Zep
Is it true to say that the actual numbers of raving fundies, such as Robertson and Falwell and Mr GHF etc, is really extremely low in proportion to the noise they create? That is, it's just a tiny bunch of very loud people with access to media, not actually a groundswell of religious fervour at all?

Or is it actually true that the much-talked-about "Bible Belt" actually exists - that there are millions of people regularly churching on Sunday and trying to convert each other?

I would say that the raving fundies are in a minority, and do a good job of making a lot of noise. However, the majority of people here are christians. While Rev. Phelps (Mr GHF) is clearly seen as a nutcase, Robertson and Falwell have enough political sense to shugarcoat their extreemism. They present themselves as good, devout christians, so that many of the sheep.. excuse me, christians just go along with them, not recognizing the hypocricy, greed, and raving they truly embody.

You know, cloak yourself in christianity so any attack on you looks like an attack on god. Just like politicians cloak themselves in the flag so an attack on them looks like an attack on the country.

It is in this way that evolution is attacked. There might not be that many creationists around, but frame the question of evolution-creationism as questioning the bible, an attack on 'traditional values', 'open scientific discussion' or the like then the sheeple can be coaxed to the ends you want.

[Samus]

odorousrex: So does Kerry have a chance against the God Squad? What do you mean by "have a chance"? Does he have a chance of winning their votes? Probably not. Social conservatives, by and large, belong to the Republican party and will hence vote for their candidate.

odorousrex: Will Kerry play to the God Squad in an attempt to sway them? No, and he has no reason to. He will play to unions, party loyalists, and the so-called "swing voters" that are not social conservatives.

odorousrex: Does the God Squad even matter? Sort of. There are states where they matter, and states where they don't. I live in New York; they don't sway the vote here. Nor do they in California. Southern states, on the other hand, will probably go to the candidate that bills themselves as the best Christian.

odorousrex: Why aren't democrats seen as religious? I think they are. Most savvy politicians make sure to thank god at the end of their speech, and/or ask god to bless the U.S. The very strong, more fundamentalist, religious folks are very socially conservative, so as I mentioned, they tend to be Republicans. It's not that Democrats are not viewed as religious, but rather, we typically associate the people who like their Jesus "loud and proud" with the Republican party.

[Frank Newgent]

Originally posted by Zep
Or is it actually true that the much-talked-about "Bible Belt" actually exists - that there are millions of people regularly churching on Sunday and trying to convert each other?



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Here are the states ranked by percentage of christians in 1990:


State
Utah 79.6%
North Dakota 75.9%
Rhode Island 75.1%
Alabama 70.7%
Mississippi 70.1%
Louisiana 70.1%
South Dakota 68.1%
Oklahoma 66.5%
Minnesota 64.2%
Wisconsin 63.9%
Texas 63.5%
Nebraska 63.4%
South Carolina 61.7%
Massachusetts 60.9%
Tennessee 60.8%
Arkansas 60.5%
Iowa 60.3%
Kentucky 60.1%
North Carolina 59.6%
Connecticut 58.9%
Pennsylvania 58.6%
New Mexico 58.3%
Illinois 57.5%
Washington DC 57.5%
Missouri 56.6%
Georgia 56.5%
New Jersey 55.7%
New York 55.5%
Kansas 54.3%
Idaho 50.4%
Michigan 49.2%
Ohio 48.9%
Wyoming 47.6%
Indiana 47.1%
Virginia 46.8%
Delaware 44.6%
Maryland 43.9%
Montana 42.7%
West Virginia 41.3%
Arizona 41.1%
Alaska 31.8%
Vermont 40.4%
California 39.2%
New Hampshire 38.9%
Colorado 37.8%
Maine 36.1%
Hawaii 35.3%
Washington 32.4%
Oregon 31.8%
Nevada 29.6%


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