What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years?

[CplFerro]

Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance.

Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

[JimBenArm]

Probably Submarine Sailors. No one has anything nice to say about them.

[Fnord]

What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years?
- Divorced fathers

- Heterosexuals

- Conservatives (fiscal or social)

- Opposite-sex Married Couples

- Traditional Nuclear Families

- Physically Repulsive People

- Free-Thinkers

[Tailgater]

Meter maids

[Puppycow]

Fat people. It will be defined as a disability and companies will have to accommodate them but won't be allowed to charge extra for any services. Special reserved seats will be set aside for them in each airplane. Fat jokes will be prosecuted as hate speech.

[Jeff Corey]

Meter maids

Will you take some tea with me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5JLYKQfDU

[sinclairmcevoy]

Probably Submarine Sailors. No one has anything nice to say about them.Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

[Cain]

I don't think they're hated, but non-human primates might possess basic rights. Also, I wouldn't be extremely surprised to see an openly atheist president elected.

[Dorian Gray]

White males.

/close thread

[Thunder]

Muslim Jews.

[Slimething]

Gingers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids). :eek:

[BenBurch]

Non-atheists.

[fagin]

Gingers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids). :eek:

That's just too extreme.

[TragicMonkey]

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

[Fnord]

White males.

/close thread
Middle-Aged, Wealthy, Conservative, White Males.

[Xephyr]

Probably all of the current 'hated' groups...

But in a 100 years, new 'hated' groups will arise that are not currently.

Such as it goes.
:rolleyes:

[DC]

Humans :D

[GStan]

Redsox fans

[ThatSoundAgain]

Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance.

Witness the sad case of Alan Turing.

Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example?

My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

Hmm, not really sure any. Mostly since the hated groups I can think of off-hand, you know, do actual damage.

[GreyArea]

I don't think they're hated, but non-human primates might possess basic rights.

In some jurisdictions, they do:
"Spanish parliament approves 'human rights' for apes" -- 26 June 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/26/humanrights.animalwelfare

At the end of the article, it notes that there are also limits on how humans in Britain and New Zealand may treat higher apes.

[Ranb]

Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

Yes, nuclear subs have sails. It is the big black thing that sticks up above the hull and contains the masts and periscopes. It used to be called the conning tower. :) But bash away. In some ways the sub force in the USA is the most backwards part of the US Navy. It was the last to racially integrate and has only recently started allowing females to serve on them.

Ranb

[IMST]

many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

************. Name one.

[Twiler]

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

I certainly hope so.

I'd also hope for decriminalising incest in situations where the people involved aren't family in the psychological sense, on the grounds that people not committing incest aren't required to have their genes checked for unfavourable combinations.

[Cainkane1]

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.
I was thinking that but I wasn't sure it would be a decent post. Pedophiles will be reviled as long as people love their children. If treatments are ever effective then perhaps the pedophiles who do not commit the crime will have a measure of pity.

I read somewhere long ago that most people afflicted with this deviancy actually don't commit the crime and keep their problem to themselves. If Effective treatments for these people are ever developed and if these people seek said treatment then I would feel a measure of compassion for them. I can't imagine living like that in silence.

[Scootch]

astronauts

[uruk]

Satanic vedgi-sexuals.

Not that I personal know any.

[Zontar]

The lactose intolerant...

[CplFerro]

Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example?

Canada, probably the UK.

[PhantomWolf]

Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

ummmmmmmm..... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(1800_submarine))

[John Jones]

Feminists.

Oh wait. You said in the future.

[ThatSoundAgain]

Canada, probably the UK.

I can't see any indication that that's the case in Canada*, but even if (big if) you're correct - how does one example equal "many Western countries"?

But please do elaborate.

*Being of a curious nature, I googled it. With various combination of the words you used, I could only find some very suspicious anti-gay sites (you know, from the type of organizations that will "cure" you of the gay) describing this. My own country is even mentioned in there, and what they reported from here is not accurate at all. Which gives me little trust in the rest of their propaganda.

[catsmate1]

Artificial Intelligences.

[Mark6]

OP assumes "hated group or groups today" actually exist. My contention is that in US at least already there is no such thing as a "hated group". Sure, pedophiles are reviled, but that because of what they had done, not because of what they are. It's like calling murderers a "hated group". Yes they are, but none of them was hated prior to committing murder.

I am aware that some people still passionately hate homosexuals, or blacks, or whites, or all men, or all women, and I am sure at least some murderers were hated by somebody before they went ahead and killed. None of which is society-wide on the scale of persecuting homosexuals in 1900 -- or even 1950.

So the answer to OP -- none, because there is none left.

[IMST]

Canada, probably the UK.

************ to both. You're just making stuff up now.

[CplFerro]

************ to both. You're just making stuff up now.

Try preaching anti-homosexual Bible passages in public in Canada and see what happens.

Catholicism - A Hate Crime in Canada? (http://catholicexchange.com/2008/06/04/112780/)

[CplFerro]

OP assumes "hated group or groups today" actually exist. My contention is that in US at least already there is no such thing as a "hated group". Sure, pedophiles are reviled, but that because of what they had done, not because of what they are. It's like calling murderers a "hated group". Yes they are, but none of them was hated prior to committing murder.

I am aware that some people still passionately hate homosexuals, or blacks, or whites, or all men, or all women, and I am sure at least some murderers were hated by somebody before they went ahead and killed. None of which is society-wide on the scale of persecuting homosexuals in 1900 -- or even 1950.

So the answer to OP -- none, because there is none left.

Perhaps, but, who even knew about homosexuals as an oppressed minority even thirty years ago. They weren't in the news, they weren't discussed, they were locker room jokes. Gay Rights erupted into the news quite surprisingly for many if not most. Any new oppressed minority may well erupt spontaneously from within the body of the politic, also to our surprise.

[IMST]

Try preaching anti-homosexual Bible passages in public in Canada and see what happens.

Probably get shouted down, as well I should be. I defy you to find evidence that the content of such preaching would be illegal in Canada.

[IMST]

Perhaps, but, who even knew about homosexuals as an oppressed minority even thirty years ago. They weren't in the news, they weren't discussed, they were locker room jokes. Gay Rights erupted into the news quite surprisingly for many if not most. Any new oppressed minority may well erupt spontaneously from within the body of the politic, also to our surprise.

30 years ago was 1980. So you're uninformed too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

[Illiadus]

New Kids On The Block.

[Illiadus]

The unhappy, the sad, the slow, the ugly, the people that can't drive, people that have trouble merging, if they can't stay in their lane, if they don't signal, they can't parallel park, if they're sneezing, if they're stuffed up, if they have bad penmanship, if they don't return calls, if they have dandruff, food between their teeth, if they have bad credit, if they have no credit, missed a spot shaving... In other words, any dysfunctional, defective slob that you can somehow cattle prod onto a wagon.

[Illiadus]

Also, stand up comedians.

[Bob Blaylock]

Probably get shouted down, as well I should be. I defy you to find evidence that the content of such preaching would be illegal in Canada.


Did you read the article linked in the OP? Some excerpts therefrom…

Fr. Alphonse de Valk…is currently being investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it. The CHRC is using section 13 of Canada’s Human Rights Act to investigate the priest. This is a section under which no defendant has ever won once the allegation has gone to tribunal — the next stage of the process.

Most defendants end up paying thousands of dollars in fines and compensation. This is in addition to various court costs. Moreover, defendants are responsible for their own legal defense. In contrast, the commission provides free legal assistance to the complainant.

What was Father de Valk’s alleged ‘hate act’?

Father defended the Church’s teaching on marriage during Canada’s same-sex ‘marriage’ debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II’s encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of who are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman.·
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·In other words, individual Jews, Muslims, Catholics and other Christians who, for reasons of conscience, hold to their faith’s traditional teaching concerning marriage, could very well be guilty of promoting hate in Canada. The same is true of any faith community in Canada that does not embrace this modern redefinition of one of the world’s oldest institutions — a redefinition that even the highly-secularist France rejects.·
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·Yet the complaint against Father de Valk is just one of several in recent years that has been pursued against Christians by Canada’s human rights commissions. In 2005, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal fined a Knights of Columbus council over $1,000 dollars for declining to rent their hall to a couple for a lesbian marriage ceremony.

Five years previous, the Ontario Human Rights Commission fined Protestant printer Scott Brockie $5,000 for declining to print homosexual-themed stationary. The Saskatchewan Human Rights Tribunal fined Hugh Owens thousands of dollars for quoting a couple of Bible verses in a letter to the local newspaper. And Mayor Diane Haskett in London, Ontario, was fined $10,000 plus interest for declining to proclaim a gay pride day.

[danrush]

My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

Pedophiles...no wait, they're already cheered by the gay community.

[mikeyx]

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

deer and turkeys get a season, so should they.

[Slimething]

Pedophiles...no wait, they're already cheered by the gay community.

OK. If no one else is going to challenge this, I will. Please post your evidence. Raw data, not opinion pieces, please. Thanks in advance.

[Sherman Bay]

Artificial Intelligences.You mean robots? If so, I agree. There will be a heated debate as to what constitutes "sentient beings," and what rights they have.

[IMST]

Pedophiles...no wait, they're already cheered by the gay community.

:rolleyes:

You may want to become familiar with this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality).

[IMST]

Did you read the article linked in the OP? Some excerpts therefrom…


Looking into it. The only one that has to do with speech is the Alphonse de Valk one. Curiously, I'm having a hell of a time finding anything about this that doesn't come from either catholic or far right wing sources. I'd very much like to see a journalistic take on it.

ETA: What link in the OP? As far as I can see there's no link there at all. Is it in some other post?

[Pauliesonne]

Pedophiles...no wait, they're already cheered by the gay community.

Go **** yourself.