Great forgotten albums

[Frank Newgent]

What can compare with the joys of listening to My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama while driving through a cold rain in Midland, Texas? If I'd only had external speakers through which to enlighten the homeland with the opening electric violin solo from Directly From My Heart To You.

Both, of course, from the Mothers Weasels Ripped My Flesh (http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Weasels_Ripped_My_Flesh.html). Any other suggestions? I have a lot of driving to do the coming months.

[fishbob]

B-52s. Mesopotamia. At midnight.

Stevie Ray Vaughn. Live Alive. Anytime.

Ali Akbar Khan. Pre-Dawn Ragas. Dawn, while heading west into New Mexico.

[whitefork]

Lou Reed Berlin.
John Cale Fear, Paris 1919, Helen of Troy
The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground (that third album, with Candy Says)
Ayers, Cale, Nico, Eno June 1, 1974
Captain Beefheart Lick My Decals Off, Baby
John Fahey The Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death

Those will haunt a house from across the street, if that's your thing.

[Mark]

The Kinks: Lola vs. Powerman and the Moneygoround

The Kinks: Preservation Act 1 (If you like really weird, but musical, albums)

Ry Cooder: Get Rhythm (If the title cut doesn't get you rockin' in the aisles, they creamted you 15 minutes before...and it may work even then!)

Little Feat: Ain't Had Enough Fun

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Frank Newgent
What can compare with the joys of listening to My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama while driving through a cold rain in Midland, Texas? If I'd only had external speakers through which to enlighten the homeland with the opening electric violin solo from Directly From My Heart To You.

Both, of course, from the Mothers Weasels Ripped My Flesh (http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Weasels_Ripped_My_Flesh.html). Any other suggestions? I have a lot of driving to do the coming months.

Weasels is a favorite of mine, too.

How about Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick?

[LuxFerum]

Old music is overrated.

[Psi Baba]

Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds

seriously

[Sundog]

Originally posted by LuxFerum
Old music is overrated.

I was going to say something about sweeping statements, then I realized that sometimes they're perfectly true, for instance: No listenable music has been created in the last 20 years... ;)

[Evolver]

Originally posted by LuxFerum
Old music is overrated.

And the new stuff is soooo, soooo good. :p

[Temporal Renegade]

Originally posted by Evolver


Weasels is a favorite of mine, too.

How about Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick?

Don't forget THIS WAS and BENEFIT, also.

And, just about anything from Slade!

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Temporal Renegade


Don't forget THIS WAS and BENEFIT, also.

And, just about anything from Slade!

I kinda missed Slade.
What album would you recommend?

[Frank Newgent]

Originally posted by Mark

The Kinks: Lola vs. Powerman and the Moneygoround

The Kinks: Preservation Act 1 (If you like really weird, but musical, albums)


Indeed. And the first time I heard Muswell Hillbillies (http://www.classicalmusicreview.com/Muswell_Hillbillies_B000009DI1.html) it was a 99 cent cut-out. Still one of my favorites.

Hey, how about T-Bone Burnett's Truth Decay (http://www.bandhunt.com/artist_site/review_details.php/tb001/album/B000001176/) or Proof Through The Night? The first is hard to find and the second impossible (on CD). Criminal Under My Own Hat (http://www.bandhunt.com/artist_site/review_details.php/tb001/album/B000008DVO/) is nearly capable of spawning totally unprecedented EEG patterns.

[Bonobo Boy]

Any album by Warren Zevon.

[fishbob]

And to lighten the mood, Jr. Brown.

[Temporal Renegade]

Originally posted by Evolver


I kinda missed Slade.
What album would you recommend?


Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply--the first one I had gotten (the first one I could find!) is pretty good;especially, of course, Run Runaway.

Rogues Gallery--just about every song's a 'get on yer feet' one.

Sladest--which has Cum On Feel The Noize, which made improper spelling cool long before Prince did it!

[EdipisReks]

The Germs: MIA. Blue Cheer: Vincebus Eruptum. hmmm, does Lodger by David Bowie count as forgotten? i'm not sure i can consider anything by the Kinks or the Velvet Underground as "forgotten". i think Blue Cheer counts, as most people, at least among those who care about such things, think that Iron Butterfly invented Heavy Metal. :rolleyes: The Germs get overshadowed by The Sex Pistols and The Clash, whch is tragic, and nobody i know has even heard of Lodger, despite it being fantastic.

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Sundog


I was going to say something about sweeping statements, then I realized that sometimes they're perfectly true, for instance: No listenable music has been created in the last 20 years... ;)
That means that you like music from the eighties??:D

Im not saying that todays music is better. But the problem is when someone talk about old music, they only talk about the good ones, all the rest is completely forgotten. And when someone talk about todays music, they only talk about the bad ones.

That is unfair, old music is as bad as today music. A lot of todays music will resist the test of time too.

[Mark]

Originally posted by EdipisReks
The Germs: MIA. Blue Cheer: Vincebus Eruptum. hmmm, does Lodger by David Bowie count as forgotten? i'm not sure i can consider anything by the Kinks or the Velvet Underground as "forgotten". i think Blue Cheer counts, as most people, at least among those who care about such things, think that Iron Butterfly invented Heavy Metal. :rolleyes: The Germs get overshadowed by The Sex Pistols and The Clash, whch is tragic, and nobody i know has even heard of Lodger, despite it being fantastic.

I have Vincebus Eruptum...and it should be forgotten. "Summertime Blues" is OK if you think of it as parody. However, I do have Blue Cheer's "New! Improved!" LP which is still quite good...well, the second side, with the 3 man line-up, anyway. The first side, with the expanded line up is just OK. The only LP I have ever seen with 2 different line ups on each side.

Anything by the Kinks from their "RCA period" can easily be considered forgotten, since they never did at all well sales-wise in the first place. As Frank Newgent pointed out, Muswell Hillbillies hit the bargain bins practically as soon as it came out...but it is am amazing record. Same with the Preservation records...including Schoolboys in Disgrace.

[Jaan]

"The Accused" - More Fun Than an Open Casket Funeral!

"Wargasm" - Why Play Around?

"Kreator" - Pleasure to Kill

"Napalm Death" - Harmony/Corruption

Just to name a few (c:

[Brian]

Originally posted by Jaan
"The Accused" - More Fun Than an Open Casket Funeral!

"Wargasm" - Why Play Around?


Not what I'd call a great album. Bullets and Blades was cool though.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by LuxFerum

That means that you like music from the eighties??:D



I liked the Zappa '84 tour. :D

Im not saying that todays music is better. But the problem is when someone talk about old music, they only talk about the good ones, all the rest is completely forgotten. And when someone talk about todays music, they only talk about the bad ones.

That is unfair, old music is as bad as today music. A lot of todays music will resist the test of time too.

SOME old music is as bad as today's, certainly. But you'll have to explain why all the teenage musicians I know - at least 10 of them - are into Led Zeppelin, Yes, Zappa, original Genesis, etc., and consider all but a very few of today's bands complete trash.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Mark


I have Vincebus Eruptum...and it should be forgotten. "Summertime Blues" is OK if you think of it as parody. However, I do have Blue Cheer's "New! Improved!" LP which is still quite good...well, the second side, with the 3 man line-up, anyway. The first side, with the expanded line up is just OK. The only LP I have ever seen with 2 different line ups on each side.

Anything by the Kinks from their "RCA period" can easily be considered forgotten, since they never did at all well sales-wise in the first place. As Frank Newgent pointed out, Muswell Hillbillies hit the bargain bins practically as soon as it came out...but it is am amazing record. Same with the Preservation records...including Schoolboys in Disgrace.

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Mark]

Originally posted by EdipisReks


we'll just have to agree to disagree.

OK...but I am curious. What do you like about VE? Just as a discussion, not an argument. The playing (to me) is sloppy, melodramatic in parts, and poorly recorded. As I said, there are some Blue Cheer records I like...but why this one?

[Jaan]

Originally posted by Sundog
SOME old music is as bad as today's, certainly. But you'll have to explain why all the teenage musicians I know - at least 10 of them - are into Led Zeppelin, Yes, Zappa, original Genesis, etc., and consider all but a very few of today's bands complete trash.

Well, I think part of it is that you're supposed to like those bands and teenagers like them just to fit in ... and some of those old timers are all right I guess (c:

However, no matter what time you live in, you'll probably think most stuff is trash, and most stuff is. Look at the top 40 charts from back then, you hardly see anything good. Even way back when, there was a lot of classical music around but only a few composers are still remembered.

[epepke]

Originally posted by Jaan
However, no matter what time you live in, you'll probably think most stuff is trash, and most stuff is. Look at the top 40 charts from back then, you hardly see anything good. Even way back when, there was a lot of classical music around but only a few composers are still remembered.

To some extent I agree with this.

I'm 41, and I had an arrested development, so I don't really have a particular fondness for the music of my youth. I've also tried to keep up. However, since the age of Korn and Ramstein a few years ago, I really haven't heard anything worth a listen. It all seems to be corporate tweeze nowadays.

[epepke]

M.C. 900 Foot Jesus Hell With the Lid Off
The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Jaan


Well, I think part of it is that you're supposed to like those bands and teenagers like them just to fit in ... and some of those old timers are all right I guess (c:

However, no matter what time you live in, you'll probably think most stuff is trash, and most stuff is. Look at the top 40 charts from back then, you hardly see anything good. Even way back when, there was a lot of classical music around but only a few composers are still remembered.

Sorry, teenagers are supposed to like the popular or hip bands that get played today. The difference is, back in the early 70's, the major labels actually took risks with bands that weren't afraid to actually expand the boundaries of rock music. I will admit that alot of that stuff misses the mark, and, yes, there's plenty of pretention to go along with it. But you have to search very hard, and away from the major labels and commercial rock stations to find new bands playing at that level of musicianship.

[thrombus29]

Trouble-Manic Frustration

Monster Magnet-Spine of God

Life of Agony's first album (I have even forgotten what it is called)

Demolition Hammer- Time Bomb

Pond- Rock collection

Rise Robots Rise.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Mark


OK...but I am curious. What do you like about VE? Just as a discussion, not an argument. The playing (to me) is sloppy, melodramatic in parts, and poorly recorded. As I said, there are some Blue Cheer records I like...but why this one?

to me, VE epitomizes the beginnings of "true" heavy metal. the group was sloppy, melodramatic, and usually poorly recorded, but the spirit of the album was exciting and new.

[toad]

Blue Oyster Cult - Secret Treaties

[BrianT]

Don Ellis-Tears of Joy

[Evolver]

Altered State - Dos
Oingo Boingo - Boingo

[Mark]

Originally posted by EdipisReks


to me, VE epitomizes the beginnings of "true" heavy metal. the group was sloppy, melodramatic, and usually poorly recorded, but the spirit of the album was exciting and new.

Yeah, I guess I understand that. I still can't listen to it, though. ;)

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Sundog
SOME old music is as bad as today's, certainly. But you'll have to explain why all the teenage musicians I know - at least 10 of them - are into Led Zeppelin, Yes, Zappa, original Genesis, etc., and consider all but a very few of today's bands complete trash.
Teenage musicians???:D I know them.:D
They are the ones that when you ask "what is your favorite guitar player?", they tell you some name that you never heard before, and then show to you some music, where the guy plays like 3000 notes in one second. See, he is the best.:D

Sorry but that music sucks, what is the point in being the best player if you only play cr*p music?

The reason why they like those old musics, is the same for a youngh mathematician to like pythagoras. It is the only thing that they can understand. As they learn they will start to like more new music. They will see that they can't make the same music forever, they have to change it, even if that means that you have to do some cr*p music at some point.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by LuxFerum


The reason why they like those old musics, is the same for a youngh mathematician to like pythagoras. It is the only thing that they can understand. As they learn they will start to like more new music. They will see that they can't make the same music forever, they have to change it, even if that means that you have to do some cr*p music at some point.

Well, all I can say is that you're quite obviously not a musician yourself. We're not going to be able to communicate on this one.

We're not talking about Yngvie Malmsteen. I can't connect with your thinking at all. They like this music because it's honest, because it's not some overhyped pop crap.

This weekend there will be two complete bands set up at my house: mine in my studio, and my 16-year-old son's band in the den. They positively sneer at what passes for "musicianship" these days.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Sundog


Well, all I can say is that you're quite obviously not a musician yourself. We're not going to be able to communicate on this one.

We're not talking about Yngvie Malmsteen. I can't connect with your thinking at all. They like this music because it's honest, because it's not some overhyped pop crap.

This weekend there will be two complete bands set up at my house: mine in my studio, and my 16-year-old son's band in the den. They positively sneer at what passes for "musicianship" these days.

Mine, too. Actually, both my sons are heavily into jazz; my older performs a sort of jazz/punk fusion that is quite interesting.

Of course, their old man is still out performing that old folk/rock which neither of them has any real use for (although they both sit in with my band every once in a while).

[ASRomatifoso]

Arrested Development-3 Years, 5 Months, 2 Days in the Life of
Teatro-Willie Nelson
Nebraska-Bruce Springsteen
Kerosene Hat-Cracker
Last of the Mohicans Soundtrack
Songs for Cabriolets and Other Types of Vehicles-Various
Train A' Comin'-Steve Earle
Legend-Bob Marley
Greatest Hits-Squeeze
Rain Dogs-Tom Waits
The Future-Leonard Cohen
Elephunk-Black Eye Peas

[varwoche]

Originally posted by Sundog

I was going to say something about sweeping statements, then I realized that sometimes they're perfectly true, for instance: No listenable music has been created in the last 20 years... ;)
I used to think that. Then I discovered that I had my head up my ass. (Not inferring anything!!) ;)

[Ove]

Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds

I still get a shiver when i hear Richard Burtons "Noone would have believed....". What a fabulous voice and the miusic off course is great. How about "Journey to the centre of the earth" with Rick Wakemann?
I kinda missed Slade.
What album would you recommend?


I would very much reccomend "Sladealive 2" that would give you an explanation off why they played for sold out houses allways, Metallica sounds like a (not very good)country an western band compared to them.;)

They are the ones that when you ask "what is your favorite guitar player?", they tell you some name that you never heard before, and then show to you some music, where the guy plays like 3000 notes in one second. See, he is the best.

HEAR HEAR HEAR.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

[a_unique_person]

Electric Light Orchestra, their first LP only. After that, Geoff Lynn just got fat and lazy when he realised he could make just as much money with no effort whatsoever.

TISM (This is Serious Mum). Their best CD is "Great Truckin Songs of the Renaissance".

Complete with "Morrisson Hostel".



Morrison Hostel
Jimbo, boy, you're a croc of s**t,
You're a boozed, selfish thug;
Why don't you give your mouth a go
And in the other hole put a plug?

By Christ you've got a long long way
On a schoolboy's talent with words -
One crappy bit of symbolism
And you're adored by a army of turds.

You're a selfish, rude, arrogant prick;
You're basically pretty stupid;
Your mysticism's a lump of s**t,
And so are all the girls you rooted.

So don't talk about being sad and lonely
Or f$cking misunderstood
Because underneath that self-pitying phoney
Is a brutal, selfish hood.

I support the police that took you off stage,
I support the fact you bled;
I support the cops who carried you off,
I support the fact you're dead.

I think that you're a troubled guy
And I think that's nothing new;
I think your fans are a bunch of turds
Almost as immature as you.

And when I'm in my supermarket
And some prick pushes in front of my trolley
I'll be reminded of your stinking bravado
And I'll ask the c**t to say sorry.

You fans would excuse any rudeness
Just because it comes from you -
You'd tell them to go drop dead
And they'd say, "Oh, how true, how true, how TRUE."

You need a nine to five job, Jimbo;
You need to get to Flinders St. by train -
Go and find yourself a regular income,
Then you can write a song about pain.

Try and save for the kids' school fees;
Take some care when you drive a car;
Put your rubbish in a bin
You f$cking great rock super star.

You've spawned a host of cock-sure s**ts
Who are nearly always filthy rich,
And think because they're a bit like Jimbo
They can act like stinking pricks:

An army of brainless, arty youth
That look down upon us common plods -
But they barrack for good ol' Jimbo
Like the f$cking Richmond cheer squad.

So when you're listening to Morrison Hotel
And Jimbo's in top form
Whining about this harsh cruel world
And the fact he was ever born

Remember that his fans are rapt
And mourning their suffering lives,
And go down and discuss it at Subterrain -
And least, if Daddy'll drive.

Jimbo, king of the private school kids:
The girls from P.L.C.
Who identify with his tortured soul
Because they've got dropped by friend number three,

Who was Kent from Xavier College -
In H.S.C. he got a "A" for English,
And between Jimbo and William Blake
He hasn't the brains to distinguish.

Jimbo, father of a generation
Of private school depression idols;
From Nick Cave on, they don't kill themselves -
Just tell us why they're suicidal.

He's made self-pity legitimate;
It means we'll have to face
One after another artist with integrity,
Like REO Speedwagon - sorry, I meant Hugo Race.

Well, up your arse Jimbo old man,
Up your f#cking hole:
You're a prick pure and simple -
It's about time you were told;

And up your arse to all your fans;
Up your arse to your tortured, artistic hell;
And while we're f@cking at it,
Up your arse to Morrissey as well;

Up your arse to Robert Smith;
Up your arse to Albert Camus;
All those "I'm suffering for my arty" types,
Jimbo, I blame them all on you.

Anyone who handles life's pain
With a token of mature self examination -
It's time they told these pounces to stick it
Up their bogus self infatuation:

And if you think I'll stop at this,
The answer is, no way, never -
If you think Jim Morrison was a wanker,
Well, Christ - I can rave on like this forever.

[Pyrrho]

Two things. One, please be mindful of the foul language rules when you're posting song lyrics. Two, song lyrics are protected by copyright. I'm not sure how it applies to written copies of lyrics, but I am sure that the foul language ain't permitted. Please take care to add asterisks in all relevant places.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Ove

How about "Journey to the centre of the earth" with Rick Wakeman?


Excellent music, but unfortunately annoying vocalists. He did the same with his King Arthur album. His more recent "Return to the Centre of the Earth" has weaker music, but better vocals.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
Two things. One, please be mindful of the foul language rules when you're posting song lyrics. Two, song lyrics are protected by copyright. I'm not sure how it applies to written copies of lyrics, but I am sure that the foul language ain't permitted. Please take care to add asterisks in all relevant places.

Since Hal is away, should we now replace the use of "Bidlack!" as a curse with "Pyrrho!"?
:wink8:

[Psi Baba]

Originally posted by Evolver


Excellent music, but unfortunately annoying vocalists. He did the same with his King Arthur album. His more recent "Return to the Centre of the Earth" has weaker music, but better vocals.
You're definitely right about that. I would have liked to heard him simply redo "Journey" with the vocalists he used on "Return." Although, as good a reader/narrator as Patrick Stewart is, I think David Hemmings was completely perfect as the narrator of "Journey." I wouldn't change that part.

[TomStockholm]

Don't stand me down- Dexys Midnight Runners

[Ove]

Excellent music, but unfortunately annoying vocalists.

Sadly true and i really don't understand why. We are talking of the Ian Gillan-David Byron-Tony Ashton era so you would think he could have done better (not to forget Jon Anderson ;) ).

[chapka]

Originally posted by Mark
The Kinks: Preservation Act 1 (If you like really weird, but musical, albums)

Preservation kicks Tommy's ass. (Although my favorite part is from Act 2, not Act 1: "Second-Hand Car Spiv/He's Evil")

The best rock album which has been completely ignored in the U.S. is Cui Jian's, Rock 'n' Roll on the New Long March. Possibly because it's out of print and he sings in Mandarin Chinese. But it's still a great album. His latest (Power of the Powerless) is also a good album and is still available here, and you can hear excerpts from his other albums at
his web site. (http://www.cuijian.com/)

Luckily, he's touring the U.S. next month (to support the new album, The Village Attacks The City, not yet available here). Go see him; you won't regret the experience.

[Mark]

Originally posted by chapka


Preservation kicks Tommy's ass. (Although my favorite part is from Act 2, not Act 1: "Second-Hand Car Spiv/He's Evil")

The best rock album which has been completely ignored in the U.S. is Cui Jian's, Rock 'n' Roll on the New Long March. Possibly because it's out of print and he sings in Mandarin Chinese. But it's still a great album. His latest (Power of the Powerless) is also a good album and is still available here, and you can hear excerpts from his other albums at
his web site. (http://www.cuijian.com/)

Luckily, he's touring the U.S. next month (to support the new album, The Village Attacks The City, not yet available here). Go see him; you won't regret the experience.


"Money Talks" should have been a huge hit. Actually, that applies to a lot of RCA period Kinks' songs, doesn't it?

I don't know Cui Jian. Is he on Amazon.com?

[chapka]

Originally posted by Mark
I don't know Cui Jian. Is he on Amazon.com?

His last album (Power of the Powerless) should be available there, and apparently EMI is supposed to be rereleasing his entire catalog in the U.S. eventually.

In the meantime, he has one song available for free MP3 download (http://www.cuijian.com/ENGLISH/Pages/works/music/gotday/mp3.html) and there are a number of RealAudio files available in the "works" section (http://www.cuijian.com/ENGLISH/Pages/works/works.html) of his web site, http://www.cuijian.com. (http://www.cuijian.com) The web site also has English translations of his lyrics. Enjoy!

Anyone else like any bands that are ignored in the U.S. because they don't sing in English?

Speaking of which, another great forgotten album: Jacques Brel's Jef.

[michaellee]

Adrian Belew - Lone Rhino
Shooting Star - Shooting Star
Ramones - Rocket to Russia
Billy Squier- Don't Say No
Joe Jackson - Look Sharp
Bad Company - Desolation Angels
Ohio Players - Fire

[rikzilla]

Surfing with the Alien----Joe Satriani
The Road Goes on Forever-----Allman Brothers

No matter how commercial he is, or may yet become....
any of Dave Matthews "live" albums....and he has several.

Circus-----Rod Argent
Montrose----Ronnie Montrose
Tooth, Fang, and Claw-----Amboy Dukes (Nugent at his early best)
Foghat-----Foghat

-z

[Frostbite]

The Living End - s/t