SLC24A5 God was black (for 154, Pahu and Jonquick)

[Marduk]

SLC24A5 (solute carrier family 24, member 5) is a gene that in humans has a major influence on natural skin colour variation[1]. SLC24A5 is a member of the potassium-dependent sodium/calcium exchanger family. SLC24A5 gives rise to a protein product termed NCKX5 (N-sodium; C-calcium; K-potassium; X-exchanger). Sequence variation in this gene, particularly a non-synomyous SNP changing the amino acid at position 111 in NCKX5 from alanine to threonine, has been associated with differences in skin pigmentation.
you can get the rest here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5
But basically the discovery of this gene proves the following
1. There were no white Europeans before 5,300 to 12,000 years ago (i.e. 3,300 to 10,000 BCE)
2. This data is proven scientific fact
3. skin colour has evolved proving evolution
4. If god designed man in his image, then God wasn't a white dude
:D

[mactonite]

Go Issac!

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/i/isaac-hayes/album-black-moses.jpg

[ddt]

Trying to divert the discussion from YHWH to Xenu?

[mactonite]

sorry, couldn't resist

[ddt]

Neither could I. :)

[Beerina]

1. Jesus was God's son.
2. Jesus was white as a newborn babe.
3. Therefore God was white.


Nice try, though!

[Marduk]

1. Jesus was God's son.
2. Jesus was white as a newborn babe.
3. Therefore God was white.


Nice try, though!

Nope.
Jesus was not from northern europe
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/belmarduk/Jesus-Christ.jpg
http://www.topnews.in/real-face-jesus-created-using-3d-digital-technology-2257756
he was apparently from the middle east
who'd a thought it
:p

besides, this is God we're talking about, stands to reason he can procreate in different colours,
see I found out that the Ben in Yeshua Ben Joseph is short for "Benetton"
:D

[Aepervius]

1. Jesus was God's son.
2. Jesus was white as a newborn babe.
3. Therefore God was white.


Nice try, though!


Emphasis mine. That is new to me. Shouldn't Jesus be the skin color of the locals ? Which isn't european white, but more like light copper ?

[mactonite]

Jesus was a floating head? I knew it!

[Marduk]

Emphasis mine. That is new to me. Shouldn't Jesus be the skin color of the locals ? Which isn't european white, but more like light copper ?

Looks Moorish to me, like the Sicilians, Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country.
yanno the Moors were............
:D

[Piscivore]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/belmarduk/Jesus-Christ.jpg


That's not Jesus, that's from the screentest when Judd Hirsch auditioned for Chuck Noland.

[Aepervius]

Looks Moorish to me, like the Sicilians, Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country.
yanno the Moors were............
:D

That's discutable.

Anyway it is all speculation, since as far as I know there is no description anywhere of him.

Jesus in the Bible

Contemporary textual evidence on Jesus' life is scarce, and specific descriptions of his appearance even more so. There are no direct references to his appearance during his physical lifetime, though Revelation 1:13–16 describes his features as he appears in his heavenly form, as seen in a vision by John the Divine.

*
o 1:13 - And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
o 1:14 - His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;
o 1:15 - And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
o 1:16 - And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.(KJV translation)


Change your picture with white colored hair, red eye glowing, and brass (http://www.fauxshop.com/images/Color%20Swatch%20-%20Brass-1_small.JPG) colored feet.


(description looks more demonic than human, but that's probably only me).

Revelation is generally taken as highly symbolic, and this passage is no exception, especially since the remainder of the description clearly cannot be interpreted as being a natural description.

Game spoiler.


Bah.

ETA: forgot to give where I got that : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus but everybody would have guessed. I did not bother read the reference :).

[catsmate1]

you can get the rest here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5
But basically the discovery of this gene proves the following
1. There were no white Europeans before 5,300 to 12,000 years ago (i.e. 3,300 to 10,000 BCE)
2. This data is proven scientific fact
3. skin colour has evolved proving evolution
4. If god designed man in his image, then God wasn't a white dude
:D
There you go again, with your facts and logic and science.
What you need is faith; faith that the badly translated, and heavily redacted, recycled fairy stories of some bronze/iron age animal herders are more true than centuries of organised scientific study.

[Ferguson]

You're all wrong, Jesus was more... dromaeosaurid in appearance.

Proofs:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_320144cbf6963548c2.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=21398)

His closest living relatives today are probably some kind of falcon, or eagle.

[Piscivore]

Change your picture with white colored hair, red eye glowing, and brass (http://www.fauxshop.com/images/Color%20Swatch%20-%20Brass-1_small.JPG) colored feet.


(description looks more demonic than human, but that's probably only me).

Or a steampunk robot.

[TimCallahan]

1. Jesus was God's son.
2. Jesus was white as a newborn babe.
3. Therefore God was white.


Nice try, though!

Go to lambiek.net/artists/c/cobb_ron.htm and scroll down to the second image.

[TimCallahan]

you can get the rest here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5
But basically the discovery of this gene proves the following
1. There were no white Europeans before 5,300 to 12,000 years ago (i.e. 3,300 to 10,000 BCE)
2. This data is proven scientific fact
3. skin colour has evolved proving evolution
4. If god designed man in his image, then God wasn't a white dude
:D

Since depigmentation is an adaptation to environments with diffuse sunlight, so enough u.v. radiation will get through to convert ergesterol into calciferol (vitamin D), I would think anyone living in Europe would have developed this trait. This, I think, would have included Neanderthals, who seem to have interbred to some degree with our ancestors. I'm assuming here that whatever mutation altered the gene in question probably occurred several times, and that it would have been deleterious, thus eliminated, in sunny environments, like Africa.

Of course, in the vicinity of glaciers and snow fields the sunlight is often anything but diffuse, particularly when reflection off ice and snow is taken into account. So, perhaps Neanderthals were as dark-skinned as Eskimos. However, I seem to recall seeing somewhere that some Neanderthals were red-heads.

[ddt]

Go to lambiek.net/artists/c/cobb_ron.htm and scroll down to the second image.

A nose of beauty is a goy forever. :boxedin: With apologies to Keats.

[Marduk]

Of course, in the vicinity of glaciers and snow fields the sunlight is often anything but diffuse, particularly when reflection off ice and snow is taken into account. So, perhaps Neanderthals were as dark-skinned as Eskimos. However, I seem to recall seeing somewhere that some Neanderthals were red-heads.

Thats true, though the gene responsible for red headed neanderthals is not SLC24A5, so its not the source, likewise other genes responsible cause lighter skin in some asian populations such as the Ainu, who for a time (before genetics was properly understood) were thought to be descendants of Europeans because of their skin colour
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/belmarduk/06735679.jpg
;)
There is no consensus on Neanderthal skin colour

[LTC8K6]

Fred G. Sanford: How many times you see pictures of Jesus and he's white?
Lamont Sanford: What about it?
Fred G. Sanford: That's wrong, too, 'cause you can't hang around Jerusalem no thirty-some years and don't wear no hat and stay white.

[TimCallahan]

Thats true, though the gene responsible for red headed neanderthals is not SLC24A5, so its not the source, likewise other genes responsible cause lighter skin in some asian populations such as the Ainu, who for a time (before genetics was properly understood) were thought to be descendants of Europeans because of their skin colour
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/belmarduk/06735679.jpg
;)
There is no consensus on Neanderthal skin colour

Is there any DNA to be found in the skeletons of modern humans in Europe before ca. 12,000 y.a.? I'm thinking here of the Grimaldi remains from northern Italy, along with the original Cro-Magnon find, among others. Of course any such DNA might be too degraded to contain the gene for skin pigmentation.

[Aepervius]

You're all wrong, Jesus was more... dromaeosaurid in appearance.


His closest living relatives today are probably some kind of falcon, or eagle.


Raptor Jesus !!!!

4chan was right all along !

[Marduk]

Is there any DNA to be found in the skeletons of modern humans in Europe before ca. 12,000 y.a.? I'm thinking here of the Grimaldi remains from northern Italy, along with the original Cro-Magnon find, among others. Of course any such DNA might be too degraded to contain the gene for skin pigmentation.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715204741.htm

also
Mitochondrial DNA analysis place the early European population as sister group to the Asian ("Mongol") groups, dating the divergence to some 50 000 years ago.[24] While the skin- and hair colour of the Cro-Magnons can at best be guessed at, light skin is known to have evolved rapidly in the Asian and European line, suggesting Cro-Magnons were tan or lighter.[25][26] A small ivory bust of a man found at Dolní Věstonice and dated to 26 000 years indicate the Cro-Magnons had straight hair, though the somewhat later Venus of Brassempouy may show curly or possibly braided hair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon#Physical_attributes
;)

[OhMan]

Why did evolution decide to take away black skin??

[Aitch]

1. Jesus was God's son.
2. Jesus was white as a newborn babe.
3. Therefore God was white.


1. I have a navel.
2. I am made in God's image.
3. Therefore God has a navel.
4. Adam was also made in God's image.
5. Therefore Adam had a navel.
6. But Adam wasn't born.
7. ???

[Mahaha]

Why did evolution decide to take away black skin??

Well, it "took it away" only for those popoulations who got out of Africa and other places with exposure to a lot of sun.

Evolution doesn't decide what to do, the thing is that among a range of indibiduals, the ones with the traits who give them more fitness (i.e. the more chance to share their genes through reproduction) survive. This way those traits will be gradually and increasingly more present in the following generations.

A brighter skin guy would have never considered a good mate in Africa, because of his sensitivity to sunrays. Instead in Europe the diet was different and it was more important for man to produce vitamid D (and of course calciferol) with the help of sunrays: a dark skin would have let less radiation pass and so it would have let the body produce less vitamin D, thus interfering with the development of the subject's bone structure.

I read several articles (I will post them as soon as I find them again) proving that if an individual would have mantained the dark skin right after the migration to Europe, he would have developed sympthoms very much like rickets.

So the black skin was at a disadvantaged out of the environment where it first evolved.

[Mahaha]

1. I have a navel.
2. I am made in God's image.
3. Therefore God has a navel.
4. Adam was also made in God's image.
5. Therefore Adam had a navel.
6. But Adam wasn't born.
7. ???

I very much agree with you and a lot of other people: if you hae faith and believe in God, great, but don't try to reduce him/her/it to a system you can grasp with logic.

Think about all the logical inconsistencies you can find in the bible. It's obvious that God is found inside of you, is more like a sentiment, you can't explain him/her/it, and you can't certainly describe his/her/its physical appearence.

[Aitch]

I very much agree with you and a lot of other people: if you hae faith and believe in God, great, but don't try to reduce him/her/it to a system you can grasp with logic.


1. I am a logical being*.
2. I am made in God's image.
3. God is a logical being.

Actually, this and my previous post were intended to be jokey rather than deeply theological.


* Most of the time. ;)

[Soapy Sam]

If I was made in God's image and he's older than the universe- do his knees hurt when it rains?

[Safe-Keeper]

(for 154, Pahu and Jonquick)I notice that all three are absent from the thread.