Kerry to abandon war on terror

[Nie Trink Wasser]

This guy is an pandering jackass.

He and all the D!psh!t! that think Bush started the terror war are completely insane.

http://www.thrusts.org/kerry.jpg





The Democratic Party's presidential front-runner, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has pledged that if elected he will abandon the president's war on terror, begin a dialogue with terrorist regimes and apologize for three-and-one-half years of mistakes by the Bush administration.

In a sweeping foreign-policy address to the Council on Foreign Relations in December, Kerry called the U.S. war on terror as conceived and led by President Bush "the most arrogant, inept, reckless and ideological foreign policy in modern history."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37371

[LFTKBS]

What a crappy Photoshop. Here's a better one I did.

[peptoabysmal]

Well, that was yesterday. It's no longer relevant. What did Kerry say today?

Edited to add: Those Kai's Power Tools are great stuff huh? Or is that Eye Candy?

[Toastrider]

Ah yes, appeasement. That ALWAYS works, doesn't it?

*facepalm*

--Toasty

[Tricky]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
Well, that was yesterday. It's no longer relevant. What did Kerry say today?

Actually, it wasn't yesterday either, or else the real newspapers would be all over it. The only paper reporting it is that right wing rag The World Net Daily. It is remarkable how variable Kerry's opinions are when they are manufactured for him by the tabloids.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
What a crappy Photoshop. Here's a better one I did.

naaa....your's is weak.....mine is supercharged.

rummy's expression doesnt fit and the theme works better with senator Heinz.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by Tricky

Actually, it wasn't yesterday either, or else the real newspapers would be all over it. The only paper reporting it is that right wing rag The World Net Daily. It is remarkable how variable Kerry's opinions are when they are manufactured for him by the tabloids.

LOL.

You can find the full text of this speech off of Kerry's campaign HQ website. If you read it, it was taken way out of context in this article, not exactly manufactured.

This is my favorite Kerry quote:

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
This guy is an pandering jackass.

He and all the D!psh!t! that think Bush started the terror war are completely insane. Wow. I read the actual speech (http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2003_1203.html) and he doesn't say anything abandoning the fight against terrorism. NTW, you should really do your research before jumping to conclusions.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal

Edited to add: Those Kai's Power Tools are great stuff huh? Or is that Eye Candy?

Actually, you fill with a b/w gradient, render difference clouds, invert, change levels (~170, .5, 255), select color range (on black, fuzziness at full), invert selection, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-U - colorize, change hue, +sat, change layer to screen.

Repeat as necessary, touch up origin with simple clone brush.

It's easier to save it as an an action if you need to repeat it, but don't front and pretend like I don't know my Photoshop.

Ass.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
You can find the full text of this speech off of Kerry's campaign HQ website. If you read it, it was taken way out of context in this article, not exactly manufactured.


Yes, the speech was real, but the headline that Kerry would abandon the war on terror was completely fabricated. Kerry never said that.

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
This is my favorite Kerry quote:

That is a good quote. Which part do you like best, the part where he shows he was a good soldier and obeyed orders, or the part where he shows that he is a good person and condemns those who gave such evil orders?

[varwoche]

The original post, in particular the title, is so intellectually bankrupt that it's pathetic.

Here you go Wasser: "John Kerry had liason with gay monkey."

Must be true, it says it on the internet, right here in this very post.

varwoche

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Tricky
That is a good quote. Which part do you like best, the part where he shows he was a good soldier and obeyed orders, or the part where he shows that he is a good person and condemns those who gave such evil orders?

I heard -- and I'm not claiming it as fact -- that most of claims of atrocities that Kerry said he committed were none existent or exaggerated and were denied by other soldiers in Kerry's former unit. Also, aren’t cases of war crimes in Vietnam actually seldom rather than frequent?

[Darat]

http://www.darat.demon.co.uk/Debate.jpg

Hot damn! The presidential debate is going to be something to watch out for!

[Charles Livingston]

If Kerry considers the people who issued such orders as war criminals, then isnt he also one for following them?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Charles Livingston
If Kerry considers the people who issued such orders as war criminals, then isnt he also one for following them?
Although it is the Nuremburg defense, I think you could say that if a soldier were likely to be punished or even executed for not obeying orders, then the charges are addressed to the level where the orders originated.

But it's a no-win proposition. What would the right be saying about Kerry if he had been court martialed for insubordination or treason?

[Evolver]

This reminds me.

Last Sunday, the paper from a nearby city had a front page article with a headline like Kerry & Flag Burning, or something to that effect. The article stated, however, that they had no evidence of Kerry burning a flag, but the fact that they "received multiple emails from readers concerned with this issue" compelled them to publish the story.

Is Nixon's team back?

[Michael Redman]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
This is my favorite Kerry quote: Are we going to start holding people to what they believed in the spring of 1971? Cool! I want to label the entire baby boomer wing of the Republican party as America's greatest hypocrite generation.


(And wasn't it Bob Kerry who was involved with the alleged war crimes? Are you sure that quote's right?)

Originally posted by Evolver
Is Nixon's team back?I understand Bush's people "push polled" republican voters in primaries in 2000, and asked if they would be less likely to vote for John McCain if they knew he fathered an illigimate black child. Of course, he did no such thing. I'm not sure Nixon's people had anything on Rove & Co.

[ASRomatifoso]

I hope you are just trolling by quoting tripe like this from such a moronic publication. To think that a professional politician would actually say something like that is asinine.

Edwards was my choice but Kerry is okay, too. I don't feel too badly about casting my vote for him. Not as good as I felt about Al Gore or Billy C. but still pretty good.

I would opt out of the entire process and move far, far, away if Bush or someone like him was my only choice.

[Tony]

Originally posted by ASRomatifoso

I would opt out of the entire process and move far, far, away if Bush or someone like him was my only choice.

But that's exactly the situation. There is no fundamental difference between Kerry and Bush.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Tony


But that's exactly the situation. There is no fundamental difference between Kerry and Bush.

If that's the case, why don't you criticize Bush the way you criticize Kerry?

[Tony]

Originally posted by Evolver


If that's the case, why don't you criticize Bush the way you criticize Kerry?

When have I ever criticized Kerry?

And when have I not criticized Bush? Especially with regards to the gay marriage issue?

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by Darat
http://www.darat.demon.co.uk/Debate.jpg

Hot damn! The presidential debate is going to be something to watch out for!

Nice, Darat.

[tedly]

Originally posted by Evolver
This reminds me.

Last Sunday, the paper from a nearby city had a front page article with a headline like Kerry & Flag Burning, or something to that effect. The article stated, however, that they had no evidence of Kerry burning a flag, but the fact that they "received multiple emails from readers concerned with this issue" compelled them to publish the story.

Is Nixon's team back?

Isn't that actually LBJ's down home Texas strategy? 'But Mr Johnson you can't prove he was ( intense and disgusting expletive deleted) a pig!' "No, but just let him stew trying to deny it.'

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Tony


When have I ever criticized Kerry?

And when have I not criticized Bush? Especially with regards to the gay marriage issue?

If I have mischaracterized your posts, I apologize.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Evolver


If I have mischaracterized your posts, I apologize.


No need to apologize, but I’m curious as to what you based your judgment on.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Tony



No need to apologize, but I’m curious as to what you based your judgment on.

I'm probably just confusing you with other conservative posters.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Evolver


I'm probably just confusing you with other conservative posters.


Im not conservative.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by Tony



Im not conservative.

then I'm really confused.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
This guy is an pandering jackass.

He and all the D!psh!t! that think Bush started the terror war are completely insane.

http://www.thrusts.org/kerry.jpg



Worldnet Daily.

Moron.

[Skeptic]

A few other headlines from this objective web site include "Iranian Fundraisers Influencing Kerry?" "Hans Blix to Win Nobel Peace Prize?" and adds such as "Buy 'Enemy Within', get 'Savage Nation' Free!".

I dunno. They might be slightly biased after all...

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Tricky

Yes, the speech was real, but the headline that Kerry would abandon the war on terror was completely fabricated. Kerry never said that.


That is a good quote. Which part do you like best, the part where he shows he was a good soldier and obeyed orders, or the part where he shows that he is a good person and condemns those who gave such evil orders? \

Spot on, Tricky, on both counts.

I can see Osama rolling over with laughter in his grave, or in his bed, if he is alive, at the mess the US has created for itself in Afghanistan and Iraq. Superior firepower is not a foreign policy.

[clk]

Well, atleast he didn't link to an article from NewsMax. On NewsMax.com, they actually have an article claiming that 2.4 million jobs were gained under Bush. I swear I am not making this up. Here's the link if you don't believe me:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/25/171833.shtml

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Tricky

Although it is the Nuremburg defense, I think you could say that if a soldier were likely to be punished or even executed for not obeying orders, then the charges are addressed to the level where the orders originated.

But it's a no-win proposition. What would the right be saying about Kerry if he had been court martialed for insubordination or treason?

That friend of my families obeyed orders and just cracked up. I checked with my mother that I had the facts right about his experience in Vietnam. There was more to it. When he got back to Australia, he didn't just walk out on his family, but also his wife who had recently given birth, and went off on a drug addled lifestyle. He has since reconciled, but he was one f%cked up person after that war.

He knew that what was happening was wrong, and that he had to obey orders or face criminal charges. Being one small guy in the middle, he just cracked up.

Still, he got off it easier then the Vietnamese Civilians they were ordered to kill.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by Tricky

Yes, the speech was real, but the headline that Kerry would abandon the war on terror was completely fabricated. Kerry never said that.

And how many headlines start off with "Bush lied...". Did GW say that? The article didn't quote Kerry as saying that, it was the title of the article.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=bush+lied&btnG=Search+News


That is a good quote. Which part do you like best, the part where he shows he was a good soldier and obeyed orders, or the part where he shows that he is a good person and condemns those who gave such evil orders?
The part where Kerry confesses to being a war criminal. Was he a war criminal or a war hero, was he lying then or is he lying now? Did his testimony help end the war or did his testimony cause harm to POW's still in Vietnam? What caused him to weep as he threw someone else's medals away in disgust? Only his botox physician knows for sure.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by Michael Redman
Are we going to start holding people to what they believed in the spring of 1971? Cool! I want to label the entire baby boomer wing of the Republican party as America's greatest hypocrite generation.


(And wasn't it Bob Kerry who was involved with the alleged war crimes? Are you sure that quote's right?)

I understand Bush's people "push polled" republican voters in primaries in 2000, and asked if they would be less likely to vote for John McCain if they knew he fathered an illigimate black child. Of course, he did no such thing. I'm not sure Nixon's people had anything on Rove & Co.

Let me just remind you that the Democrat Party are the ones who made 1971 an issue in the 2004 election.

Yes that quote is right. That was the basis of Kerry's testimony. "We soldiers were ordered by our government to commit war crimes on a daily basis."

McCain would indeed make a fine leader, but this is politics, if you can't take the heat, don't jump in the frying pan.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


That friend of my families obeyed orders and just cracked up. I checked with my mother that I had the facts right about his experience in Vietnam. There was more to it. When he got back to Australia, he didn't just walk out on his family, but also his wife who had recently given birth, and went off on a drug addled lifestyle. He has since reconciled, but he was one f%cked up person after that war.

He knew that what was happening was wrong, and that he had to obey orders or face criminal charges. Being one small guy in the middle, he just cracked up.

Still, he got off it easier then the Vietnamese Civilians they were ordered to kill.

I could probably come up with just as much anecdotal evidence of drug addled f*cked up people who came out of that era and never set a foot in that stinking jungle.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal


I could probably come up with just as much anecdotal evidence of drug addled f*cked up people who came out of that era and never set a foot in that stinking jungle.

He never touched drugs before he went there. He was a fine, Catholic boy with a young wife and baby before he went there to fight the commies.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


Actually, you fill with a b/w gradient, render difference clouds, invert, change levels (~170, .5, 255), select color range (on black, fuzziness at full), invert selection, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-U - colorize, change hue, +sat, change layer to screen.

Repeat as necessary, touch up origin with simple clone brush.

It's easier to save it as an an action if you need to repeat it, but don't front and pretend like I don't know my Photoshop.

Ass.

Hey now. I meant no offense really, Mr. Photoshop. My question was in earnest. I sometimes long for the days when I got paid to set up color management for people and then some bitch like you comes along and reminds me of why I don't really miss it anymore. Thanks. Tool.

[clk]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal


McCain would indeed make a fine leader, but this is politics, if you can't take the heat, don't jump in the frying pan.

LOL!
You did a nice job of justifying Bush's immoral campaign practices. That's some of the better spin I've seen so far. It's complete and utter bullsh*t, but it is very good spin. Good job! You should think about working for Bill O'Reilly.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
Hey now. I meant no offense really, Mr. Photoshop. My question was in earnest. I sometimes long for the days when I got paid to set up color management for people and then some bitch like you comes along and reminds me of why I don't really miss it anymore. Thanks. Tool.

If I was snappish with you, it's because you have a history of being rude.* I apologize for not detecting your earnestness.

*pot, kettle, etc, I know.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


If I was snappish with you, it's because you have a history of being rude.* I apologize for not detecting your earnestness.

*pot, kettle, etc, I know.

And I apologize for being rude. That was never my intent except in the flame wars section. I'll be more considerate in the future.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal

And how many headlines start off with "Bush lied...". Did GW say that? The article didn't quote Kerry as saying that, it was the title of the article.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=bush+lied&btnG=Search+News
The vast majority of those headlines say "So and So says Bush Lied", or "So and so thinks Bush lied", or "If Bush lied". I'm not going to go throught the whole list, but I'm sure If I did, I would find a few that would say "Bush Lied". I'm guessing they would be sources just as rabid and untrustworthy as the World Net Daily and I would treat them with the appropriate skepticism.

Simply put, the WND article is an editorial, not news. Headlines are supposed to be news, or if not, modified with the appropriate qualifiers ("if", "X says", "being investigated" etc.)
Originally posted by peptoabysmal
The part where Kerry confesses to being a war criminal. Was he a war criminal or a war hero, was he lying then or is he lying now? Did his testimony help end the war or did his testimony cause harm to POW's still in Vietnam? What caused him to weep as he threw someone else's medals away in disgust? Only his botox physician knows for sure.

As I said earlier, if he had not obeyed the orders, you would call him a traitor. If his testimony helped keep other soldiers from becoming POWs, then it was worthwhile, wouldn't you say? If not, then you are essentially saying the Viet Nam war was correct, because to speak against it was wrong. I cannot believe that anybody these days would argue that getting into Viet Nam was a good idea.

The rest of your paragraph is simply mindless repetition of some of the standard right-wing slime that has been aimed at Kerry. Because I know you, I'm going to assume it was tongue-in-cheek, but you really ought to use smilies when you are attempting to be humorous. It's so hard to tell with you. :p