View Full Version : [Merged] Helen Thomas Goes There Again, Leaves No Doubt This Time.
Sword_Of_Truth
4th December 2010, 10:39 PM
Helen Thomas, the former fixture of the White House Press gallery who was removed earlier this year amid accusations of anti-semitism after she was recorded saying "jews go home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc4OeRu7cfs&feature=player_embedded)" dug in and doubled down in front of an arab community gathering in Detroit, repeating the old conspiracist canard that the jews are in control of everything (http://www.freep.com/article/20101202/NEWS02/101202052/Defiant-Helen-Thomas-defends-remarks-that-led-to-exit):
"We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There's no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where there mouth is…We're being pushed into a wrong direction in every way."
Yeah... "the jews control all the financial institutions", that kind of talk never leads to anything bad, does it Helen? You'd think a reporter would be able to look this kind of thing up like in a library book somewhere or old newspapers or something?
PhantomWolf
4th December 2010, 11:10 PM
She's wrong, it's not the Jews, it's the Aussies.
Infoexcavator
5th December 2010, 01:46 AM
I strongly condemn her, but everybody knows it's true. Israel is an incredibly racist society.
TSR
5th December 2010, 05:37 AM
I strongly condemn her, but everybody knows it's true. Israel is an incredibly racist society.
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Right -- it's common knowledge that entry into the country is routinely denied to those with, say, so much as an Iranian *stamp* on their passport, and that their highest officials have repeatedly announced their intention to wipe Iran off the map.
And of course, no non-Jewish person is allowed to vote, or participate in the military, or own a business, and an entire gender is considered property there and....
What?
This just in: "Info" is not a hypocrite of the highest order, mostly because that requires a qualifier of excellence "Info" does not possess.
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TSR
5th December 2010, 05:39 AM
She's wrong, it's not the Jews, it's the Aussies.
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*I* blame Lisa.
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Infoexcavator
5th December 2010, 06:35 AM
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Right -- it's common knowledge that entry into the country is routinely denied to those with, say, so much as an Iranian *stamp* on their passport, and that their highest officials have repeatedly announced their intention to wipe Iran off the map.
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Did I somehow defend Iran?
TSR
5th December 2010, 09:12 AM
Did I somehow defend Iran?
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You seemed to want to talk about racism which you perceived Israel to practice.
I was pointing out (perhaps too subtly for you) that there were better targets for your whine, and that those targets' policies just *might* explain your perception a bit better than your whine did.
But I think you know full well what I was saying, since you took the time to snip the parts of my post referring to non-Jewish participation in Israeli society, because it trashed your "incredibly racist" comment to pieces.
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Donal
5th December 2010, 09:50 AM
I strongly condemn her, but everybody knows it's true. Israel is an incredibly racist society.
We're talking about her comments regarding "Zionists" controlling American policy and media. Not Israeli domestic policies.
And , you condemn her and agree with her? How do you pull that off?
Infoexcavator
5th December 2010, 10:46 AM
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You seemed to want to talk about racism which you perceived Israel to practice.
I was pointing out (perhaps too subtly for you) that there were better targets for your whine, and that those targets' policies just *might* explain your perception a bit better than your whine did.
But I think you know full well what I was saying, since you took the time to snip the parts of my post referring to non-Jewish participation in Israeli society, because it trashed your "incredibly racist" comment to pieces.
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I am just a stupid whiner, but do think Israel is not a racist nation?
Infoexcavator
5th December 2010, 10:50 AM
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You seemed to want to talk about racism which you perceived Israel to practice.
I was pointing out (perhaps too subtly for you) that there were better targets for your whine, and that those targets' policies just *might* explain your perception a bit better than your whine did.
But I think you know full well what I was saying, since you took the time to snip the parts of my post referring to non-Jewish participation in Israeli society, because it trashed your "incredibly racist" comment to pieces.
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I am just a stupid whiner, but do think Israel is not a racist nation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379 The United Nations is always right.
TSR
5th December 2010, 10:53 AM
I am just a stupid whiner, but do think Israel is not a racist nation?
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Not moreso than any other, and much less than some I could mention.
Perhaps you should define "race," so that we know we're talking about the same thing?
But in another thread, since this is (supposed to be) discussing an ideology, Zionism and its impact on American national policy. May I suggest Social Issues? I don't often frequent that forum, but it would seem to be more appropriate for the discussion. PM me the link, and I'll be there.
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PhantomWolf
5th December 2010, 04:22 PM
The United Nations is always right.
It is?
TSR
5th December 2010, 04:34 PM
It is?
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Of course it is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_46/86)
Strange -- why do the words "hoist" and "petard" come to mind right now?
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Meadmaker
5th December 2010, 04:39 PM
After the speech in Dearborn, Wayne State University, located in Detroit, announced they would no longer be giving out the "Helen Thomas Spirit of Diversity Award".
Frying Dutchmen
6th December 2010, 10:49 PM
I am just a stupid whiner, but do think Israel is not a racist nation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379 The United Nations is always right.
You got him there, also It's legal to punish gay people according to the United Nations.
Skeptic
7th December 2010, 12:47 AM
The United Nations is always right.
Uh-huh...
TraneWreck
7th December 2010, 09:58 AM
Does the pro-Israel lobby in the United States weild disproportionate power and effect our foreign policy? Yes, it's an issue worth addressing (not making a statement about the correctness/wrongness of that lobby's position--simply noting they have far reaching effect in our government).
Does this have anything with Jews "controlling" Hollywood, Media, McDonalds, the Miami Heat...
Therein lies the bigotry.
Spindrift
7th December 2010, 10:01 AM
After the speech in Dearborn, Wayne State University, located in Detroit, announced they would no longer be giving out the "Helen Thomas Spirit of Diversity Award".
I thought you were kidding about that.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/12/04/michigan-school-ends-helen-thomas-spirit-diversity-media-award
dudalb
7th December 2010, 11:46 AM
It's painfully clear that to Thomas the words "Zionist" and "Jew" are interchangable.
And I did not know that Louis B Mayer, Jack and Harry Warner, Carl Zukor, and Sam Goldwyn were Isreali agents.......
Meadmaker
7th December 2010, 07:01 PM
I thought you were kidding about that.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/12/04/michigan-school-ends-helen-thomas-spirit-diversity-media-award
It does sound like a parody....but no.
jakesteele
7th December 2010, 07:08 PM
Helen Thomas, the former fixture of the White House Press gallery who was removed earlier this year amid accusations of anti-semitism after she was recorded saying "jews go home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc4OeRu7cfs&feature=player_embedded)" dug in and doubled down in front of an arab community gathering in Detroit, repeating the old conspiracist canard that the jews are in control of everything (http://www.freep.com/article/20101202/NEWS02/101202052/Defiant-Helen-Thomas-defends-remarks-that-led-to-exit):
"We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There's no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where there mouth is…We're being pushed into a wrong direction in every way."
[QUOTE]Yeah... "the jews control all the financial institutions",
I've often wondered just what percentage of the people who do control the major financial institutions are Jewish. Does anyone have a demographic break down of ethnicity?
that kind of talk never leads to anything bad, does it Helen? You'd think a reporter would be able to look this kind of thing up like in a library book somewhere or old newspapers or something?
tensordyne
8th December 2010, 12:46 AM
I have no idea what percentage of the Financial Sector / Media Sector has a Jew at the top but I am certain about one thing, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish. I hate intellectual dishonesty more then anything else.
RedIbis
8th December 2010, 04:58 AM
Does the pro-Israel lobby in the United States weild disproportionate power and effect our foreign policy? Yes, it's an issue worth addressing (not making a statement about the correctness/wrongness of that lobby's position--simply noting they have far reaching effect in our government).
Does this have anything with Jews "controlling" Hollywood, Media, McDonalds, the Miami Heat...
Therein lies the bigotry.
Actually, the Miami Heat are owned by an Israeli.
dvictr
19th March 2011, 07:12 AM
wooops no conspiracy here, wrong forum.. please move to US/Isreal politics
during a pre photoshoot interview with Playboy magazing the reporter from the cript, spills the beans. Breaking News
"[The Jews are] using their power, and they have power in every direction,” she told Playboy. “Power over the White House, power over Congress … Everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There's total control … It isn't the 2 percent. It's real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power. [To the interviewer] You don't deny that. You're Jewish, aren't you?"
and her views on the Holocaust
"There's nothing wrong with remembering it, but why do we have to constantly remember?" she said. "We're not at fault. I mean, if they're going to put a Holocaust museum in every city in Germany, that's fine with me. But we didn't do this to the Jews. Why do we have to keep paying the price and why do they keep oppressing the Palestinians? Do the Jews ever look at themselves? Why are they always right? Because they have been oppressed throughout history, I know. And they have this persecution. That's true, but they shouldn't use that to dominate."
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=212815
http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0311/Helen_Thomas_to_Playboy_Jews_own_the_White_House.h tml
http://i.imgur.com/SGMsV.jpg
Serious question.. How many other "closet anti-semites" are out there in highly visible positions?
Grassy Knowlington
19th March 2011, 10:15 AM
during a pre photoshoot interview with Playboy magazing the reporter from the cript, spills the beans. Breaking News
http://i.imgur.com/SGMsV.jpg
No disrespect but Playboy must be going downhill if that's the sort of 'glamour' pic that gets published.
GrouchoMarxist
19th March 2011, 10:27 AM
Serious question.. How many other "closet anti-semites" are out there in highly visible positions?
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
No disrespect but Playboy must be going downhill if that's the sort of 'glamour' pic that gets published.
Affirmative action.
Saggy
19th March 2011, 10:29 AM
I've often wondered just what percentage of the people who do control the major financial institutions are Jewish. Does anyone have a demographic break down of ethnicity?
If you're thinking of the 2008 Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, that would be 100%
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/economic-issues/43301-federal-reserve-board-governors-all-5-jews.htmlhttp://www.uspoliticsonline.com/economic-issues/43301-federal-reserve-board-governors-all-5-jews.html
TSR
19th March 2011, 10:49 AM
If you're thinking of the 2008 Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, that would be 100%
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Someone help me out here -- what year is it, again?
And how many governors *were* there in 2008?
How many governors does the crap Saggs linked refer to?
Why do you feel the need to lie so transparently, Saggy?
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Saggy
19th March 2011, 11:08 AM
Hmm, the link doesn't seem to work .... to get to the page google fed board of governors jew, it's the first hit ....
posted by Brett Golden Brett Golden is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Permanently Banned
LOL ....
The data .......
Federal Reserve Board of Governors: ALL 5 ARE JEWS !!!
Only 2 percent of the US population, but yet all 5 Federal Reserve governors are jews, including chairman Ben S. Bernanke and assistant chairman Donald L. Kohn. Others are: Kevin M. Warsh, Randall S. Kroszner and Frederick S. Mishkin. Not one gentile in the bunch. To confirm, click on the federal reserve website below.
How come the main stream media has never reported this fact ?? How come no politician ever does, including Ron Paul ?? And what are the odds against all 5 federal reserve governors belonging to a race that makes up only 2 percent of the population ?? Should we become accomplices of the jews by keeping silent, or should we speak out publicly to inform our fellow citizens of this outrage ??
For detailed information on jewish control of the US government and media, I recommend The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD, SolarGeneral.com, and Vanguard News Network to those with the courage to become jew-wise. My own websites are: Glenn Miller for Congress & Welcome To The White Patriot Party.
The Federal Reserve Board of Governors: all Jews
The Federal Reserve Board of Governors: all Jews
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FRB: About the Fed
Synopsis: The Federal Reserve Board of Governors: all Jews.
Source: Federal Reserve
Published: January 22, 2008
All five governors of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors are Jewish. This is an event of unthinkable odds.
There are supposed to be seven governors.
Kevin Warsh is the son-in-law of Ron Lauder, son of Estee Lauder. Of Ron Lauder, Wikipedia says:
Quote:
Lauder is actively involved in numerous civic organizations, including the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the Jewish National Fund, the World Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Theological Seminary, Brandeis University, and the Abraham Fund. With his brother he founded the Lauder Institute at Wharton School. Lauder has also served as a Finance Chairman of the New York State Republican Committee. He was elected President of the World Jewish Congress on June 10, 2007 beating South African businessman Mendel Kaplan by 11 votes to 4.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...mber=296022409
babycondor
19th March 2011, 11:55 AM
I've often wondered just what percentage of the people who do control the major financial institutions are Jewish. Does anyone have a demographic break down of ethnicity?
That would be an interesting statistic, but attempting to compile it would probably get you accused of being an anti-semite. :)
The six current governors of the Federal Reserve Board are:
1. Bernanke - Jewish
2. Yellen - Jewish
3. Warsh - ?, married into Lauder family which is Jewish
4. Duke - ?
5. Tarullo - ?
6. Raskin - last name is Jewish but ...?
The connection between Jews and money (http://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Jews-Jerry-Z-Muller/dp/0691144788/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300560055&sr=8-1) goes back many hundreds of years.
Saggy
19th March 2011, 01:20 PM
As for Jews controlling Hollywood, no place better to start than here, right at the bottom .....
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
Amazing isn't it? This video flagged for "hate speech" while the movie Inglourious Basterds that graphically shows unarmed men getting tortured, scalped and their brains beaten out gets 8 Academy Award Nominations and universal praise in the sick media.
We do live in an upside down world!
dvictr
19th March 2011, 01:29 PM
No disrespect but Playboy must be going downhill if that's the sort of 'glamour' pic that gets published.
she posed as the centerfold for the Iranian edition
dvictr
19th March 2011, 01:42 PM
"There's nothing wrong with remembering it, but why do we have to constantly remember?"
reread this quote and its actually a gem. think of the teeshirt possibilities.. even funier coming from someone that needs to schedule her laxative pills. shes been in the white house press corp since the Jefferson administration and now whe will die a hagard bitch with a wikipedia article as loser that got exposed by Playboy magazine. her alma matter removed a scholarship and award under her name with hours. shes done. how could she say such things? is she actually stupid or suffering from dimentia? You cant say those things.
babycondor
19th March 2011, 01:53 PM
she posed as the centerfold for the Iranian edition
Thank you for proving that Helen Thomas has hardly cornered the market on saying "stupid things."
Redtail
19th March 2011, 01:58 PM
As for Jews controlling Hollywood, no place better to start than here, right at the bottom .....
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
Amazing isn't it? This video flagged for "hate speech" while the movie Inglourious Basterds that graphically shows unarmed men getting tortured, scalped and their brains beaten out gets 8 Academy Award Nominations and universal praise in the sick media.
We do live in an upside down world!
Inglourious Bastards doesn't try to pass itself off as a factual documentary.
Saggy
19th March 2011, 02:53 PM
Inglourious Bastards doesn't try to pass itself off as a factual documentary.
That's true, but not the point. A Jewish hate fantasy gets Academy awards, a white recitation of the facts gets banned. See the difference?
JudeBrando
19th March 2011, 04:09 PM
"The White House is owned by Zionists"?
Which is more likely; Zionists or Saudis?
Roadtoad
19th March 2011, 04:16 PM
As for Jews controlling Hollywood, no place better to start than here, right at the bottom .....
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
Amazing isn't it? This video flagged for "hate speech" while the movie Inglourious Basterds that graphically shows unarmed men getting tortured, scalped and their brains beaten out gets 8 Academy Award Nominations and universal praise in the sick media.
We do live in an upside down world!
Oh, now I see! David Duke is Saggy's unimpeachable source! Suddenly it all makes sense to me.
Someone pass a barf bag.
Good God, Sag, Duke isn't simply racist, he's an evil flake who has yet show he's accurate about anything other than the sun being out, and for that matter, if he told me it was, I'd still pack along a flashlight.
dudalb
19th March 2011, 04:19 PM
As for Jews controlling Hollywood, no place better to start than here, right at the bottom .....
Hollywood Basterds by David Duke ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EfufBl1cU
Amazing isn't it? This video flagged for "hate speech" while the movie Inglourious Basterds that graphically shows unarmed men getting tortured, scalped and their brains beaten out gets 8 Academy Award Nominations and universal praise in the sick media.
We do live in an upside down world!
Quoting David the Klansman as a source.That will really increase your creditbility.
kageki
19th March 2011, 06:28 PM
She is certainly right about the pro-Israel/Zionist bias that exists in politics and media. Maybe not ALL, but if you have a majority or at least the major influential organizations then you can essentially say you are controlling it.
Is she entirely wrong? I don't see anyone proving otherwise.
dudalb
19th March 2011, 06:44 PM
I see all the Nazi apologists at JREF are showing up now.
dudalb
19th March 2011, 06:46 PM
That's true, but not the point. A Jewish hate fantasy gets Academy awards, a white recitation of the facts gets banned. See the difference?
David Duke's rant is a recitation of the facts?
:dl:
Redtail
19th March 2011, 11:17 PM
That's true, but not the point. A Jewish hate fantasy gets Academy awards, a white recitation of the facts gets banned. See the difference?
Jews aren't white?
At any rate, "The Boondocks" are more factually accurate than anything Duke has put out.
GrouchoMarxist
19th March 2011, 11:53 PM
Why does Duke pronounce it "basteerds"?
dvictr
20th March 2011, 09:26 AM
Why does Duke pronounce it "basteerds"?
David Duke is all for heritage and tradion.. Bastards is a word of French origin and Dr. Duke recognizes that.
Roadtoad
20th March 2011, 10:35 AM
David Duke is all for heritage and tradion.. Bastards is a word of French origin and Dr. Duke recognizes that.
Since when did Duke become a "Dr."?
And, I guess it's good he recognizes the heritage of the word. His actions demonstrate he's an outright bastard.
GrouchoMarxist
20th March 2011, 08:18 PM
Just heard on the radio that Duke eliminated Michigan today. How much power does this basteerd have?
Jono
22nd March 2011, 09:12 AM
Jews aren't white?
Well it depends who you ask really, heh. The self-identification with "white" comes and goes for, in this context, jews. Remember when Mike Wallace was asked by Morgan Freeman (the latter had said he found no point in there being any such thing as a Black History Month) if he'd like a White History Month? Wallace replied "Erhh... I'm jewish". So Freeman then asked; " *sigh* Well allright, would you like to have a Jewish History Month?".
Jono
22nd March 2011, 09:15 AM
Since when did Duke become a "Dr."?
And, I guess it's good he recognizes the heritage of the word. His actions demonstrate he's an outright bastard.
I believe, at first, he recieved an honorary doctorate from a Ukranian University. Later on he submitted a dissertation, to the same university on Israel, related domestic and foreign policies et al and recieved a doctorate.
EGarrett
22nd March 2011, 10:34 AM
Helen Thomas, the former fixture of the White House Press gallery who was removed earlier this year amid accusations of anti-semitism after she was recorded saying "jews go home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc4OeRu7cfs&feature=player_embedded)" dug in andStop right there. When did she say the phrase "jews go home" in that clip?
Walter Ego
22nd March 2011, 10:45 AM
I believe, at first, he recieved an honorary doctorate from a Ukranian University. Later on he submitted a dissertation, to the same university on Israel, related domestic and foreign policies et al and recieved a doctorate.
Duke trumpets his Ph.D. on his website entitled "The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD" (Note also he clings to his title of "representative" He served one incomplete term in the Louisiana State House from 1990 until 1992.)
[Duke's] doctoral thesis was titled "Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism." Prior to earning his Ph.D., Duke had received an honorary doctorate. Anti-Defamation League claims that MAUP is the main source of antisemitic activity and publishing in Ukraine, and its "anti-Semitic actions" were "strongly condemned" by Foreign Minister Borys Tarasyuk and various Jewish interests and anti-racist organizations. The Anti-Defamation League describes it as a "University of Hate" Duke has taught an international relations and a history course at MAUP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
Duke's doctorate is, not surprisingly, from the only accredited university in the world (aside from Iran maybe) that would have accepted his thesis.
On April 14–19, 2005 the MAUP weekly newspaper Personnel Plus published an open letter to President Yushchenko, Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn and Supreme Court of Ukraine Chief Justice Malyarenko calling for a parliamentary investigation into the "criminal activities of organized Jewry in Ukraine." The newspaper claimed that the letter was signed by more than a hundred scientific, civic, and political leaders.
On June 3, the MAUP sponsored a one-day conference entitled "Zionism As the Biggest Threat to Modern Civilization" attended by the former Ku Klux Klan leader and former Republican Louisiana State Representative David Duke of the United States. The Kyiv Post newspaper called the gathering "a disgusting orgy of racism and hatred." In August 2005, the MAUP awarded Duke with a Kandidat Nauk degree in History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interregional_Academy_of_Personnel_Management#Alle gations_of_antisemitism
Saggy
22nd March 2011, 11:48 AM
Jews aren't white?
Sorry, Redtail, certainly not in the White Separatists movement, in any case.
Saggy
22nd March 2011, 11:51 AM
Why does Duke pronounce it "basteerds"?
The movie is 'Inglorious Basterds', I think it's a affectation of the movie, the correct English spelling is bastards, where the basterds came from is anybodies guess.
Pardalis
22nd March 2011, 12:14 PM
I see all the Nazi apologists at JREF are showing up now.
I believe this thread was originally in the conspiracy theory subforum. That's where most of these woodlice hide.
ETA: oh wait, we are in the conspiracy section...
dudalb
22nd March 2011, 12:36 PM
The movie is 'Inglorious Basterds', I think it's a affectation of the movie, the correct English spelling is bastards, where the basterds came from is anybodies guess.
It's based on a 1977 Italian low budget war film.
Not a big Qarentino fan, but I really enjoyed IB.
And I am really looking forward to see Captain America beat the crap out of the Red Skull in July.That movie is really going to send the Neo Nutsies into fits of anger.
Jono
23rd March 2011, 08:48 AM
Duke trumpets his Ph.D. on his website entitled "The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD" (Note also he clings to his title of "representative" He served one incomplete term in the Louisiana State House from 1990 until 1992.)
Yes, and I've in the past been verbally reprimanded for addressing him as just Duke. Most recently, albeit some time ago still, during a debate regarding Einstein. Obviously, I was told at least, it was because I didn't recognize that he (Duke) had one, to which I answered that I do not make it a habit of saying "Dr Prof. Einstein" either. :rolleyes:
Sword_Of_Truth
23rd March 2011, 12:09 PM
Stop right there. When did she say the phrase "jews go home" in that clip?
Are you engaging in semantic hair splitting or attempting to mount a defense of Helen Thomas against charges of anti-semetism?
EGarrett
23rd March 2011, 03:48 PM
Are you engaging in semantic hair splitting or attempting to mount a defense of Helen Thomas against charges of anti-semetism?You shouldn't use quotation marks when referring to someone's statements if you're not quoting something they said word-for-word. That's the whole point of quotation marks. And furthermore, if you're referring to controversial statements, you should NEVER use quotation marks unless you are quoting their exact words.
I didn't see her say the words "Jews go home" in the video, and I did watch it twice. Maybe I missed it, or maybe she said or wrote it elsewhere, but if she didn't use that phrase...you have completely and utterly warped and misrepresented her statement in the video. This is not hair-splitting because the whole issue of the thread is what Helen Thomas believes and has stated...and the phrase "Jews go home" is an anti-Semitic statement (implying that all people in the area who are Jewish are undesirable). But if she said or argued that certain people should leave because they don't have the right to be in area...be it because of no legal right or something else, then that is a different statement entirely. Her reasons may be invalid, but the view isn't Anti-Semitic.
It's the difference between saying "I don't want trespassers on my property" and "I don't want gays on my property." (Again, though your definitions or arguments for what constitutes a trespasser may be wrong.)
dudalb
23rd March 2011, 04:27 PM
You are splitting hairs, guy.
And looking damn silly doing it.
EGarrett
23rd March 2011, 04:32 PM
Read what I said again, until you understand.
bikerdruid
23rd March 2011, 04:37 PM
You are splitting hairs, guy.
And looking damn silly doing it.
no, he is merely seeking accuaracy.
using quotation marks on paraphrasing is wrong.
when lying about what was said, 'sword of truth' seems an ironic moniker.:rolleyes:
.....kinda like orwell's 'ministry of truth' in 1984.
sadhatter
23rd March 2011, 10:00 PM
The movie is 'Inglorious Basterds', I think it's a affectation of the movie, the correct English spelling is bastards, where the basterds came from is anybodies guess.
Actually, like most information that you can't seem to find, it is pretty easy.
At a certain point in movie history the powers that be in north america decided that films could not have swear words in the title. ( films that intended to get a rating that is. You will have to do your own research into how that works as it is quite the hefty topic to explain. As an example, an adult film, may have a vulgar word in the title, but they are not intending to get under an r rating, so it does not effect them. ) This was actually shortly after the original film with the unmodified swear word was created. Which is why if you look back in movie history you will see the odd film with a swear word in the title marketed toward a north american audience, but once you hit a certain point it is almost non existent.
And as for your opinion on the film, it is comparing a comic book about a vigilante, with an instructional manual on how to get away with vigilante actions. IB was not meant to be taken seriously, like many action movies it consisted of little more than a dehumanized enemy getting killed as often and as graphically as possible. I liked it, for what it was, but it was no different in content than a movie such as " The Mutant Chronicles" , with the exception that instead of aliens the enemy was nazi's. Dehumanizing the enemy in any popcorn action flick is a key plot element, you, much like alex jones need to do some reading on the technical aspects of writing before going off and accusing a film of being some piece of propaganda. These things you see as evil are simply tried and true methods of producing a film that appeals to people, and in this case is no more specific to the character of nazis than someone getting kicked in the nads is specific to the characters Rich And Eddie from the series Bottom.
Skeptic
23rd March 2011, 11:16 PM
[Duke's] doctoral thesis was titled "Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism."
It always puzzles me why opnely racist white supremacists somehow complain about zionism being "a form of ethnic supremacism". Even if it were, why should they mind?
BaaBaa
23rd March 2011, 11:49 PM
Jealousy: they never get High Holidays off.
GrouchoMarxist
24th March 2011, 12:28 AM
It always puzzles me why opnely racist white supremacists somehow complain about zionism being "a form of ethnic supremacism". Even if it were, why should they mind?
Some people seem to believe that their supremacy is better than other peoples supremacy.
Saggy
24th March 2011, 06:39 AM
Actually, like most information that you can't seem to find, it is pretty easy.
At a certain point in movie history the powers that be in north america decided that films could not have swear words in the title. ( films that intended to get a rating that is. You will have to do your own research into how that works as it is quite the hefty topic to explain. As an example, an adult film, may have a vulgar word in the title, but they are not intending to get under an r rating, so it does not effect them. ) This was actually shortly after the original film with the unmodified swear word was created. Which is why if you look back in movie history you will see the odd film with a swear word in the title marketed toward a north american audience, but once you hit a certain point it is almost non existent.
And as for your opinion on the film, it is comparing a comic book about a vigilante, with an instructional manual on how to get away with vigilante actions. IB was not meant to be taken seriously, like many action movies it consisted of little more than a dehumanized enemy getting killed as often and as graphically as possible. I liked it, for what it was, but it was no different in content than a movie such as " The Mutant Chronicles" , with the exception that instead of aliens the enemy was nazi's. Dehumanizing the enemy in any popcorn action flick is a key plot element, you, much like alex jones need to do some reading on the technical aspects of writing before going off and accusing a film of being some piece of propaganda. These things you see as evil are simply tried and true methods of producing a film that appeals to people, and in this case is no more specific to the character of nazis than someone getting kicked in the nads is specific to the characters Rich And Eddie from the series Bottom.
Er, I didn't look for the information. Now that I know, however, yikes ! Not a pretty picture from any angle.
Jono
24th March 2011, 07:52 AM
It always puzzles me why opnely racist white supremacists somehow complain about zionism being "a form of ethnic supremacism". Even if it were, why should they mind?
Well ultimately he only really cares about Zionism in the context of what he perceives to be the negative impact, influence and power it exhorts over his race and country.
Also I think it was Duke who said; "The haters will call us haters. The liars will call us liars. The racists will call us racist".
Saggy
24th March 2011, 09:00 AM
Well ultimately he only really cares about Zionism in the context of what he perceives to be the negative impact, influence and power it exhorts over his race and country.
Also I think it was Duke who said; "The haters will call us haters. The liars will call us liars. The racists will call us racist".
DD is exactly right, but he could have been more succinct and said 'The Zionists will call us haters, liars, and racists'.
Jono
24th March 2011, 09:02 AM
DD is exactly right, but he could have been more succinct and said 'The Zionists will call us haters, liars, and racists'.
Yes, in fact I suspect he's done that a lot, all while lingering under the false impression of Israel Shahak, i.e that the latter would've actually been an ideological "ally" to his cause.
catsmate1
24th March 2011, 02:37 PM
It's based on a 1977 Italian low budget war film.
Not a big Qarentino fan, but I really enjoyed IB.
And I am really looking forward to see Captain America beat the crap out of the Red Skull in July.That movie is really going to send the Neo Nutsies into fits of anger.
Try Jackboots on Whitehall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackboots_on_Whitehall) :D; it's Inglourious Basterds meets Team America
dudalb
24th March 2011, 02:43 PM
Try Jackboots on Whitehall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackboots_on_Whitehall) :D; it's Inglourious Basterds meets Team America
Looks like fun; but it has not made it to this side of The Pond yet.
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