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iain
8th March 2004, 01:34 PM
From eve magazine, April 2004, in an article trying out different methods of achieving a pert bottom (I'm working my way through the list).

Mesotherapy involves injecting small amounts of a homeopathic solution, including specialised vitamin B1, artichoke and sea minerals to increase circulation. The solution is injected beneath the skin's surface twice a week for four to eight weeks. Yearly maintenance is recommended. The clinic claims an 80% success rate.
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at first I had 30 to 40 injections in my bottom, thighs and lower back, an inch apart. But the number of injections and the dose increase and now, after 15 sessions, I'm having about 50 injections a time.
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Some patients see an improvement in skin tone after four sessions and, because I have a healthy lifestyle, the treatment should have worked well for me. If the skin tingles, or there's an itchiness, that's a sign that the treatment is working. But I haven't felt any of that. Nor have I noticed any change in my shape. But different bodies react in different ways and it may just take a little longer with me. If it works, then the slight discomfort will be a small price to pay.The price of this : £450 for eight sessions. So this woman has spent £900, seen no improvement at all after around 700 injections, but is still holding on to the belief that it might just work if given time. Oh well, there's one born every minute I guess.

Needless to say, actually going to a gym, dieting and liposuction were all effective within 6 weeks.

Rolfe
8th March 2004, 02:07 PM
Mesotherapy involves injecting small amounts of a homeopathic solution, including specialised vitamin B1, artichoke and sea minerals to increase circulation. The solution is injected beneath the skin's surface twice a week for four to eight weeks. Yearly maintenance is recommended. The clinic claims an 80% success rate....:dl:

Rolfe.

geni
8th March 2004, 02:22 PM
[homeopath mode] it's not real homeopathy[/homeopath mode]

iain
9th March 2004, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by geni
[homeopath mode] it's not real homeopathy[/homeopath mode] Yes. I wonder what you would have to inject for it to be a real homeopathic remedy? Presumably water with the memory of the things that cause flabby buttocks : lots of fats. I guess they might not do so well if they advertised they were injected a homeopathic remedy based on fats into your bottom to make it smaller :)

geni
9th March 2004, 02:36 AM
[homeopath mode]Still woundn't work. you have to treat the whole person not just the problem[/homeopathy mode]

MRC_Hans
9th March 2004, 03:16 AM
Exactly! Also, Dr. Hahnemann specifically denounces local treatment. Only by taking the patient's complete symptom profile and repertorizing the correct similum can you prescribe a homeopathic treatment. The mentioned procedure is not homeopathy, and its failure does not in any way reflect on homeopathy.

Since homeopaths don't dare to come here and defend their case, some of us will have to do it for them (and I kinda suspect we do it better than them ;) ).

Hans

Quasi
9th March 2004, 03:24 AM
What about the manufacturing. Do they remove endotoxins and sterilize the crud before they inject it? I suspect there will be a lot of problems with homeopathic injectibles because of stupidity in the lab.

Drooper
9th March 2004, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by iain
The clinic claims an 80% success rate.


I take that to mean an 80% success rate at lightening the wallets of gullible suckers.

geni
9th March 2004, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by Quasi
What about the manufacturing. Do they remove endotoxins and sterilize the crud before they inject it? I suspect there will be a lot of problems with homeopathic injectibles because of stupidity in the lab.

If they are doing it properly it should be pretty much water so there should nor be that much of a problem.

Rolfe
9th March 2004, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by geni
If they are doing it properly it should be pretty much water so there should nor be that much of a problem. You'd be surprised what you can find in "pretty much water". Starting with, but not limited to, Aeromonas hydrophila.

Anything that's going to be injected needs to be sterilised and guaranteed toxin/pyrogen-free. I'd love to know how they ensured this, given the weird stuff they were apparently injecting.

Rolfe.

Badly Shaved Monkey
9th March 2004, 07:45 AM
I think they should stick it up their arses.

Oops, they already did that. ;)

Jon_in_london
9th March 2004, 08:04 AM
Wouldnt injecting pure water into a muscle cause local damage through osmotic lysis? Or am I being too damn anal?

Wrath of the Swarm
9th March 2004, 08:06 AM
All injections into muscle cause local damage. More is caused if saline solutions aren't used.

Jon_in_london
9th March 2004, 08:08 AM
PS- 40-50 inections? Ouch!!!

Psi Baba
10th March 2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by iain
From eve magazine, April 2004, in an article trying out different methods of achieving a pert bottom (I'm working my way through the list).

Um, iain, are you yourself trying to achieve a pert bottom? (You did say you were working your way through the list).

iain
10th March 2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Psi Baba

Um, iain, are you yourself trying to achieve a pert bottom? (You did say you were working your way through the list). Each day I do my spiritual exercises, my aura grows stronger and my bottom grows perter. :D