Colin Powell favors: faith & Bible

[Riddick]

In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.

[toddjh]

Originally posted by Riddick
In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.

Gee...a political figure saying what the polls tell him people want to hear. Who would've guessed.

Jeremy

[Atlas]

Originally posted by toddjh


Gee...a political figure saying what the polls tell him people want to hear. Who would've guessed.

Jeremy Yeah, and in this White House... Kinda weird.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.
More appropriately, Atheists wonder "As long as this country is being run effectively, efficiently, and justly, why should I care what Colin Powell's personal beliefs are?"...

[clinttaylor]

Originally posted by Yahweh

More appropriately, Atheists wonder "As long as this country is being run effectively, efficiently, and justly, why should I care what Colin Powell's personal beliefs are?"...

Even more appropriately, Athiests wonder; "In recent memory, has there been any major politician who has denied the existance of god and remained in office?"

I seem to recall that Mr. Powell was also firm in his belief that there were WMD's in Iraq, but that's another thread for another fora. :p

[Zep]

Originally posted by Yahweh

More appropriately, Atheists wonder "As long as this country is being run effectively, efficiently, and justly, why should I care what Colin Powell's personal beliefs are?"... Non-US atheists wonder "As long as the USA, or indeed any country, is represented by genuine statesmen with honesty, reliability, capability, and respectability, why should we care about their personal faith, etc, etc, etc?"

[Sindai]

Originally posted by Riddick
In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.

Well, that's one of the more childish posts I've ever seen. Right up there with "hey, this great physics student is a Christian, doesn't that really annoy you atheists?" :p

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick
In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.

Why should we shudder? Up until he begins to try to force his beliefs on us (which, as Secretatry of State, he is in no position to do), Neither I nor any other atheist I know, would give a flying rat's @$$ if he is a Christian, an Atheist, a Satanist or anything else. In my expereience it tends to be Christians to whom such things matter even if it isn't affecting the guy's job, not atheists.

[Hexxenhammer]

What's that Powell is towing there? Oh, yeah. The party line.

[whitefork]

How'd he do on the Physics advanced placement exam?

[CathodeRay]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
What's that Powell is towing there? Oh, yeah. The party line.


I wonder how big a rope it takes to tow a line?

[tdn]

Riddick, isn't there something in the Bible about not flaunting your religion while saying "Nyah nyah I'm better than you"?

[whitefork]

Luke 18

18:9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

18:10
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

18:14
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

and Matthew 7
7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

7:3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Zep
Non-US atheists wonder "As long as the USA, or indeed any country, is represented by genuine statesmen with honesty, reliability, capability, and respectability, why should we care about their personal faith, etc, etc, etc?" Don't rest comfortably. Colin Powell, though Secretary of State, is pretty far down the foreign policy chain of command. Our foreign policy is driven by visions of apocalyptic battles between the armies of Christ (U.S.) and Satan's minions (Islam).

[Riddick]

I'll jus give this a lil bump cause I know you all despise it so much. ;)

[Zep]

Originally posted by hgc
Don't rest comfortably. Colin Powell, though Secretary of State, is pretty far down the foreign policy chain of command. Our foreign policy is driven by visions of apocalyptic battles between the armies of Christ (U.S.) and Satan's minions (Islam). So is someone taking bets on the outcome? Is it best-of-seven in the finals? :D

Personally, I think it's a pity Colin Powell isn't in the driver's seat. He seems to be a realist, and a fair manager and diplomat, regardless of his faith. I've heard much of him over the past few years (saw him interviewed in 1996), and although he has to keep his head down currently, I have a deal of respect for the man.

Oh, and Riddick. Go buy a clue, there's a good lad.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
I'll jus give this a lil bump cause I know you all despise it so much. ;)
Oh, it burns my tender heart like the fury of a thousand suns... *yawn*

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Zep
So is someone taking bets on the outcome? Is it best-of-seven in the finals? :D

Personally, I think it's a pity Colin Powell isn't in the driver's seat. He seems to be a realist, and a fair manager and diplomat, regardless of his faith. I've heard much of him over the past few years (saw him interviewed in 1996), and although he has to keep his head down currently, I have a deal of respect for the man.

Oh, and Riddick. Go buy a clue, there's a good lad.
well, i do have a response for that, but upchurch would ban me.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick
I'll jus give this a lil bump cause I know you all despise it so much. ;)

Odd, No one here has expressed any consternation over it. I guess you have to manufacture your victories where you can, though...

[DarkMagician]

We aren't whining, despising, or shuddering. What are you smoking?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
We aren't whining, despising, or shuddering. What are you smoking?
actually, i've never smoked the stuff you're talking about.

they say i'm missing something.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Riddick
In a TV interview this evening, Colin Powell supports faith in God and the articles of our country's founding based on the Bible.

All together now...Atheist shudder.
I'm confused: Which articles of our country's founding were based on the Bible?

[Tricky]

What would truly be surprising would be an atheist politician, or at least one who admitted it. Christianity has such powerful control over the US political situation that no public figure dare speak against it. It is particularly revolting to see Christians gloat over how completely they manipulate politicians. But we atheists just accept that this is the way things are. We try to vote for the peson who is the lesser of the sanctimonious panderers.

Heck, I'd even settle for a deist, like Washington or Jefferson or Franklin...

[toddjh]

Originally posted by Tricky
What would truly be surprising would be an atheist politician, or at least one who admitted it.

I think the latter is a bigger deal. Since, as you say, being outspokenly nonreligious is political suicide, all the "amens" and "God bless's" are just par for the course. I wouldn't give odds on which politicians believe what they're saying; it's just a requirement of their job to go through the motions.

Which is why it's even more ridiculous when people like Riddick take it at face value when Powell or some other politician mumbles religious platitudes.

Jeremy

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by toddjh

I think the latter is a bigger deal. Since, as you say, being outspokenly nonreligious is political suicide, all the "amens" and "God bless's" are just par for the course. I wouldn't give odds on which politicians believe what they're saying; it's just a requirement of their job to go through the motions.

Which is why it's even more ridiculous when people like Riddick take it at face value when Powell or some other politician mumbles religious platitudes.

Jeremy Hey, you might have a point there. ;)

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Hey, you might have a point there. ;)
Are you serious? You think a politician would pander to the lowest common denominator? Not in my America!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by WildCat
I'm confused: Which articles of our country's founding were based on the Bible?
Here's one:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

[Yahweh]

This is for you, Riddick...

From About.com - Church/State Seperation (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/cs/blcsm_gov_doi.htm):
It isn't uncommon for people to argue against the separation of church and state by pointing to the Declaration of Independence. Some believe, evidently, that the text in this document supports the position that the United States was founded upon religious, if not Christian, principles, and therefore church and state must remain intertwined in order for this nation to continue properly.

There are a couple of flaws in this argument. For one thing, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document for this nation. What this means is that it has no authority over our laws, our lawmakers or ourselves. It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the role of the Declaration was finished.

That leaves open, however, the possibility that the document expressed the will of the same people who wrote the Constitution - therefore, it provides knowledge about their intent as to what sort of government we should have. Leaving aside for the moment whether or not that intention should bind us, there are still serious flaws to consider. First, religion itself is never mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. This makes it difficult to argue that any particular religious principles should guide our current government.

Second, what little is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is only barely compatible with Christianity, the religion most people have in mind when making the above argument. The Declaration refers to "Nature's God," "Creator," and "Divine Providence" - all terms used in the sort of deism which was common among many of those responsible for the American Revolution as well as the philosophers upon whom they relied for support. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, was himself a deist who was opposed to many traditional Christian doctrines, in particular beliefs about the supernatural.

What this all means is that arguments against the separation of church and state which rely upon the language of the Declaration of Independence fail. First, the document in question has no legal authority with which one could make a legal case. Second, the sentiments expressed therein do not support the principle that government should be guided either by any specific religion (like Christianity) or by religion "in general" (as if such a thing even existed).

[Nyarlathotep]

Yep, Riddick. That's the only one too. Further that one example has no legal binding. It is neither part of our laws nor part of our constitution. Though you fundies refuse to accept it, our countries founders were, for the most part, not religious men.

[Nyarlathotep]

Looks like Yahweh beat me to the punch

[Riddick]

Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell.

[Agammamon]

Um, isn't Colin Powell the guy who went in front of the UN and laid out a pretty pathetic case for WMD in Iraq? This guy apparently believed in the rather poor intelligence on the subject and I'm supposed to be swayed because he believes in the bible?

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell. That is the problem you have. You have been brought up to believe someone and not someone else. Good and bad. Perhaps they are both wrong, or both right or bits of each.

One day I hope you will be able to lean towards yourself.

It does not matter what Colin Powell thinks, or his wife, or some spotty physics student. Once you are happy with your own beliefs you won’t feel the need to constantly seek confirmation.

[wollery]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell. So you're just going to believe Colin Powell, a politician with a vested interest in saying what's popular, rather than look at the evidence. That evidence being the Declaration of Independence, which makes no mention of Christianity, and isn't a legal document, and the Constitution, which contains no references to Christianity, and only one reference to religion which states that "the Government shall make no law regarding religion". And lets not forget all the evidence about the religious leanings of the men who wrote those documents.

No, you stick with blind faith, go for it.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell.

false dilemma.

[ADD Boy]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell.

:rub: There, there, Riddick... we're sorry we hurt your shallow belief structure.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Zep

Personally, I think it's a pity Colin Powell isn't in the driver's seat. He seems to be a realist, and a fair manager and diplomat, regardless of his faith. I've heard much of him over the past few years (saw him interviewed in 1996), and although he has to keep his head down currently, I have a deal of respect for the man.As much as I hate to agree with you or, care for politicians in general, I have pretty much maintained the same impression myself, and he does seem like the decent sort. :)

[Riddick]

Originally posted by ADD Boy
:rub: There, there, Riddick... we're sorry we hurt your shallow belief structure.
hey, it's no problem, i know 50% of the posters here are punks anyway.

btw, calvin coolidge kept a bible on his table at home.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, I'm in a quandry. It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh.

I'm leaning towards Colin Powell.
Its because I changed my avatar isnt it? I'm so much prettier than Colin Powell just about every day of the week. Hmph!


Is there any reason why you lean towards Colin Powell?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Lothian
That is the problem you have. You have been brought up to believe someone and not someone else. Good and bad. Perhaps they are both wrong, or both right or bits of each.

One day I hope you will be able to lean towards yourself.

It does not matter what Colin Powell thinks, or his wife, or some spotty physics student. Once you are happy with your own beliefs you won’t feel the need to constantly seek confirmation.
Am I so different from you? Do you not feel the need to constantly seek confirmation of your own beliefs?...?...?...?

I think we are more alike than you think. It is your wish that I am crawling around on my knees, 24*7, praying to God....well, that's not me.

Tell me, will my world knowledge be opened up if only I believe in myself? Will I then find all the answers to the world? Is our world really that simple?...?...?...?

Tell me, will I understand what is beyond our world? That's a long way out there in space. I don't imgaine that once I have "self" supporting me that I will understand that vast space, to know its limits. You know nothing of its bounds, and neither do I.

I believe in a supreme being, while you do not.

Would you care to make a wager against me?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
I believe in a supreme being, while you do not.

Would you care to make a wager against me?
I know the question was addressed to Lothian, but I'll just chime in that I'll be happy to take that wager also.

[Riddick]

if i win, i get your body at your present age form.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
if i win, i get your body at your present age form.
And if I win, I get your soul.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Riddick

hey, it's no problem, i know 50% of the posters here are punks anyway.

btw, calvin coolidge kept a bible on his table at home.

BFD, I've got 3 on my bookshelf. Heck, I read one of them a few months ago. Silly book. Weird ending though.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Suddenly
BFD, I've got 3 on my bookshelf. Heck, I read one of them a few months ago. Silly book. Weird ending though.
Just you wait for the Passion of the Christ to come out on DVD, you'll never guess what happens in the alternate ending but I assure you that it will be a delightful surprise :)

[hgc]

Originally posted by Riddick

...
I believe in a supreme being, while you do not.

Would you care to make a wager against me? You bet! I'll give you 100 to 1. If you pay me now. I'll pay you the 100-fold when we find out you've won.

[T'ai Chi]

All I'm saying is that more Daoists need to be in office. ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Its because I changed my avatar isnt it? I'm so much prettier than Colin Powell just about every day of the week. Hmph!

Is there any reason why you lean towards Colin Powell? Are you trying to tell us that God is female or something? That indeed we've found the Psyche (soul) which exists behind the facade? ;)

Maybe God is about to undergo a transformation here ... i.e., you will only find Him through your psyche.

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Riddick

Am I so different from you? Do you not feel the need to constantly seek confirmation of your own beliefs?...?...?...? You are different, I feel no need to confirm my beliefs. I am entirely happy with them. I do not feel the need to convert anyone else or to force everyone to believe the same as me. I don’t object to anyone believing in Buddhism, Christianity, Islam or any other religion. Nor do I object to those without belief in a supernatural being. I could be wrong but I have thought deeply about the issue and am happy with my conclusions. It doesn’t mean I am right but I have made my mind up. I may change it at some point but feel no compulsion to change it, nor a compulsion to stick with it. I think we are more alike than you think. It is your wish that I am crawling around on my knees, 24*7, praying to God....well, that's not me. No , I don’t really care what you believe.

Tell me, will my world knowledge be opened up if only I believe in myself? Will I then find all the answers to the world? Is our world really that simple?...?...?...? No but, I think you will be happier if you reconciled you beliefs within yourself rather than trying to force yourself to believe what other people tell you .

Tell me, will I understand what is beyond our world? That's a long way out there in space. I don't imgaine that once I have "self" supporting me that I will understand that vast space, to know its limits. You know nothing of its bounds, and neither do I. I will not tell you that, but if you are truly happy with your beliefs you are not scared of what is beyond our world. You appear to be scared.
I believe in a supreme being, while you do not.

Would you care to make a wager against me?
This shows the big difference. You are looking for a big payout in the future. I am already receiving mine.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Lothian

This shows the big difference. You are looking for a big payout in the future. I am already receiving mine. Even in the future (after death?) the payout exists only in the moment. :)

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I know the question was addressed to Lothian, but I'll just chime in that I'll be happy to take that wager also.

I'll take a piece of that action too

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Lothian
I will not tell you that, but if you are truly happy with your beliefs you are not scared of what is beyond our world. You appear to be scared.

This shows the big difference. You are looking for a big payout in the future. I am already receiving mine.
I fear God, but I'm not sure I'm really scared about the whole deal.

You must believe that I truly suffer in this world.

Is that what you believe?

Tom Osborne, Christian, former coach of the 5x NCAA National Champion Nebraska Cornhuskers. Did he not enjoy some sort of payout in this lifetime?

How about:
Colin Powell, Secretary of State, ?
Michaelangelo Buonerroti?
Galileo Galilee?
Isaac Newton?
Thomas Jefferson?
Calvin Coolidge, Christian (http://www.leaderu.com/humanities/coolidge.html) (39th paragraph)

Did they have any sort of payout in their lifetimes?

I have skied against "gods" in slalom skiing. I rank 36th in the World Rankings --- that's on this planet. I do know how to have fun. Oh, and I'm a Christian.

You see, Lothian, it appears that you do not have a patent on having fun in this lifetime. I've banged some of the hottest angels --- I'll compare my women against anyone on the planet. Everybody receives the payout in this lifetime.

Christianity and having fun in this life are not mutually exclusive.

Frankly, I don't know how you'd arrive at a contrary opinion.

So you see, I win this lifetime, *and* I win in the next lifetime. Whereas you can only hope for the best in this world. This is it for you. Last dance.

Stretch your brain and think skeptically all you want. It won't guarantee you a place in the next life. I would think you'd want to continue your thinking into the next life. But hey, limit yourself if you want to. I'm not going to try and stop you. Drive right into that brick wall.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Even in the future (after death?) the payout exists only in the moment. :)
maybe it's like money, a function: x = Present Value (future)

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Riddick
So you see, I win this lifetime, *and* I win in the next lifetime. Whereas you can only hope for the best in this world. This is it for you. Last dance.

False dilemma. Have you ever taken into consideration that there might be a God who explicitly punishes those who believe in The Myth (that's Jesus) and worship the meek Christian trinity. And don't come with probabilities here. Pascal's Wager and eternal, that is infinite, punishment takes care of those. Else you wouldn't be in the position to offer the wager in behalf of Christianity, which has a chance of approximately zero to be the real thing.

Oh, and are you interested in a banana plantation ...

Originally posted by Riddick
Stretch your brain and think skeptically all you want. It won't guarantee you a place in the next life.

Allow me these few questions: Why not? Why does it matter if you believe or not??? Why punishes your God thinking??? Why? Where is the bad? Where is the evil?

Originally posted by Riddick
I would think you'd want to continue your thinking into the next life. But hey, limit yourself if you want to.

Limited are not those who take a higher view point over the pantheon of the Gods, but rather those who can only see one - or was it three?

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Riddick
I do know how to have fun. Oh, and I'm a Christian.

I've banged some of the hottest angels --- I'll compare my women against anyone on the planet.

Christianity and having fun in this life are not mutually exclusive.

Frankly, I don't know how you'd arrive at a contrary opinion. Geez Riddick,

You ought to talk to the 7th Day Adventists from my home town. They won't even let their kids go to a dance.
They're not supposed to swear.
They're not supposed to bang even the Hot Angels.
And they're not to supposed to brag about it if they do.

That's one of the reasons I had a contrary opinion. Have these things loosened up that much. Or is it after you've been saved and know that Christ died for your sins, you can commit them freely.

You seem to have some of the knowledge but none of the spirituality. Don't you need that too?

You make it sound like it's all dissin, screwin around, and cursing. And then heaven. It seems so different from the way it was told to me. What's up?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Are you trying to tell us that God is female or something?
Perhaps this will interest you, from Gnosis.org - The Devine Feminine / Holy Female Power (http://www.gnosis.org/ecclesia/homily_Descent.htm):
The date that Gnostics celebrate as the Descent of Sophia corresponds to the traditional date for the Birth of Mary in the Church Calendar. Both of these mythic motifs relate to the coming down to earth of the feminine image of the Redeemer. The story of the descent of Sophia is the story of our own fall into matter. The story of the birth of Mary describes the role of the Holy Female Power in our own redemption and liberation. The apocryphal text of the Protevangelion describes the mission of Mary in this light:

<blockquote> “...But being an unparalleled instance without any pollution or defilement, and a Virgin not knowing any man, shall bring forth a son, and a maid shall bring forth the Lord, who both by his grace and name and works, shall be the saviour of the world.”</blockquote>

...

The descent of Sophia is the descent of the redeeming power of the Divine Feminine as expressed in three important female images: Eve, the Virgin Mary, and Mary Magdalen.

If I believed in gods, it would probably be my own brand of God/Goddess duality.

Just an observation, but why a duality between genders? Why not 3, 4, more, or hermaphroditic genders? I guess its just a natural human tendency to associate gender as merely "male" and "female".

That indeed we've found the Psyche (soul) which exists behind the facade? ;)
Perhaps you are referring to Psyche, yet another Greek Goddess. Her significance is that she an allegorical figure which she is representive of the soul.

Or perhaps you mean Psyche, as in what Philosophers refer to as the "self".

In both cases, we wont find this this Psyche, the word doesnt refer to something which exists as an object, it refers to something which "exists" as no more than abstract concept.

Maybe God is about to undergo a transformation here ... i.e., you will only find Him through your psyche.
Now I certainly dont want to run the risk of lying to myself, do I ;)

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
False dilemma. Have you ever taken into consideration that there might be a God who explicitly punishes those who believe in The Myth (that's Jesus) and worship the meek Christian trinity. And don't come with probabilities here. Pascal's Wager and eternal, that is infinite, punishment takes care of those. Else you wouldn't be in the position to offer the wager in behalf of Christianity, which has a chance of approximately zero to be the real thing.
Romans 1:20 askes us to understand God from his creation. Apparently, the totality of everything in the universe is indistinguishable from a universe driven by purely natural forces.

I cant imagine how angry God is getting everytime another fundie asserts "proof" of Creationism...

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Romans 1:20 askes us to understand God from his creation. Apparently, the totality of everything in the universe is indistinguishable from a universe driven by purely natural forces.

I cant imagine how angry God is getting everytime another fundie asserts "proof" of Creationism...

Yahweh, you are not a Fundi. So, you simply cannot understand these verses in their true meaning. You must've gotten them wrong. You see, God is the author of the Bible, He is it's creator. Ergo, we are to understand God from His creation, which is the Bible. And the Bible has it the same way as the Creationists do.

:p

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Atlas
Geez Riddick,

You ought to talk to the 7th Day Adventists from my home town. They won't even let their kids go to a dance.
They're not supposed to swear.
They're not supposed to bang even the Hot Angels.
And they're not to supposed to brag about it if they do.

That's one of the reasons I had a contrary opinion. Have these things loosened up that much. Or is it after you've been saved and know that Christ died for your sins, you can commit them freely.

You seem to have some of the knowledge but none of the spirituality. Don't you need that too?

You make it sound like it's all dissin, screwin around, and cursing. And then heaven. It seems so different from the way it was told to me. What's up?
laff, I did tell you I'm SDA, right? Maybe you already knew that.

True, not supposed to go to dances or clubs. But, I like clubbin. We can go to movies. And now our schools play league basketball against public schools. We didn't used to do that, but we do now.

Nope, no swearing; I don't swear much, usually only in great pain.

Abstinence is supposed to be the rule until marriage. Honestly, I don't know what the current culture is. Maybe people are not having sex as much these days --- but I know some are active.

I just don't like being painted into a corner, is all.

I'm not supposed to do the clubs, or drink, but since I have to be in this world, I'm going to live it up to a certain degree.

I'm deeply spiritual. But I'm open-minded.

I believe in screwing around as much as possible --- but that's just me. I don't diss much. I'm more of "Hell Yea, let's party" like Jeff Spiccoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. I guess that movie's dated now. Sean Penn was Spiccoli.

Heaven should be more of the same, and of course more. There's a text about "Neither eye has seen, nor ear has heard" which awaits us in heaven.

[TruthSeeker]

Riddick,

It doesn't really matter and it's a derail, but you expect us to believe that you are a 42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible? If so, why are you sitting at home posting here on a Saturday night? Or is it too early to go clubbing where you are?

You paint a very strange picture.

[Wrath of the Swarm]

And he's been Born Again, so it doesn't matter how awful he is to other people or how often he has irresponsible, impersonal sex! He's forgiven no matter what he does! Hoody hoo!

Get off it, man. You're not accomplishing anything but making yourself look like a fool and Christianity like a religion of self-deluding egostistical lunatics. If even a tenth of your claims are true, you're a terrible example of your supposed faith - and if none of them are, just as much so for lying!

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Riddick
laff, I did tell you I'm SDA, right?
I'm deeply spiritual. But I'm open-minded.
I believe in screwing around as much as possible... I'm giving you crap. In my home town, the 7th Day Adventists had the church across the street from the 7th Day Baptists. They were almost as strict. You happened to mention you were 7th Day in one of your first posts after joining the fray. My best friend was a hell raiser from the Baptist side of the street but virtually all the rules you mentioned applied. Rebellion was strong and the boys in that family chafed at their constraints.

If they posted the kinda stuff you post and their mama found out, then there'd be hell to pay. But my mama wouldn't be too proud of me if she was internet savvy, so I'll stop there.

I love your line - I'm deeply spiritual. But I'm open-minded. 'Open-minded' to 7th dayers has always meant 'Sinful' in the way you use it. You gotta know you're going to elicit comments like TruthSeeker...
Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Riddick, ...You paint a very strange picture. And the less congenial Wrath of the Swarm...
Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
And he's been Born Again, so it doesn't matter how awful he is to other people or how often he has irresponsible, impersonal sex! He's forgiven no matter what he does! How much of this is a game of flame to you?

[Lothian]

You must believe that I truly suffer in this world.

Is that what you believe?
No, but I believe that you are unhappy about your beliefs. And constantly need reassurance that you are right. You do this by trying to find other people who believe what you have been told to believe. For example.

{quote]

Tom Osborne, Christian, former coach of the 5x NCAA National Champion Nebraska Cornhuskers. Did he not enjoy some sort of payout in this lifetime?

How about :
Colin Powell, Secretary of State, ?
Michaelangelo Buonerroti?
Galileo Galilee?
Isaac Newton?
Thomas Jefferson?
Calvin Coolidge, Christian (39th paragraph)

[/quote]

This isn’t about lists. There are more non Christians than Christians in the world. Does that mean that Christians are wrong ? No. But pointing out that there are some Christians doesn’t mean that they are right.

This is not the point I was making. I was saying that I am happy with my beliefs, You do not appear to be happy with yours.


Did they have any sort of payout in their lifetimes?

I am not talking about, earning lots of money, being famous, discovering earth shattering revelations, partying every night. I am merely talking about being totally happy with your beliefs.


I have skied against "gods" in slalom skiing. I rank 36th in the World Rankings --- that's on this planet. I do know how to have fun. Oh, and I'm a Christian.
Missing the point again

You see, Lothian, it appears that you do not have a patent on having fun in this lifetime. I've banged some of the hottest angels --- I'll compare my women against anyone on the planet. Everybody receives the payout in this lifetime.
Christianity and having fun in this life are not mutually exclusive.

Frankly, I don't know how you'd arrive at a contrary opinion.

I never mentioned fun, not that I don’t have any. It is not what I was saying, but you make my point well.
I don’t believe that women are to be treated as trophies. I don’t believe that banging lots of attractive people makes me a better person. I don’t think banging an attractive person is better than a not so attractive person. I personally believe that how you feel about the person you sleep with, and how they feel about you is far more important.
They are my beliefs and I think I am right. But I practice what I believe and am happy with myself for it.
I accept the bible treats women appallingly but ‘modern’ Christianity does would not condone your behaviour and attitude above. You know this and this causes you conflict. As I said you are not truly happy with the religion you have been told to have.
I don’t care if you sleep with a different ‘angel’ every night. I don’t try to put my morals on you. But I believe that if people practice what they preach they are happier. You appear not to.


So you see, I win this lifetime, *and* I win in the next lifetime. Whereas you can only hope for the best in this world. This is it for you. Last dance.

You are right I believe that this is my life and I want people to judge me on what I did in it. I don’t believe that I can be an ass all my life and because I believe that some other fool has taken the blame for me beinga n ass I will go to heaven.

Stretch your brain and think skeptically all you want. It won't guarantee you a place in the next life. I would think you'd want to continue your thinking into the next life. But hey, limit yourself if you want to. I'm not going to try and stop you. Drive right into that brick wall. Neither does believing in God guarantee a place a next life.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Riddick,

It doesn't really matter and it's a derail, but you expect us to believe that you are a 42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible? If so, why are you sitting at home posting here on a Saturday night? Or is it too early to go clubbing where you are?

You paint a very strange picture.
Granted, Lincoln, Nebraska club life is not quite Miami as far as club life, but there are a few. Being a University town does have its advantages.

But being 42 is sort of losing the club picture. So you can make fun of me if you want. That doesn't make you a better person.

I have seen Yahweh post here on saturday nights, so you attacked her at the same time. Nice job.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Lothian
No, but I believe that you are unhappy about your beliefs. And constantly need reassurance that you are right. You do this by trying to find other people who believe what you have been told to believe. For example.
Lothian, the more you try to make a case for "Riddick is unhappy with his beliefs..." the weaker your case is.

You're going to have to learn to accept that.
Originally posted by Lothian


Tom Osborne, Christian, former coach of the 5x NCAA National Champion Nebraska Cornhuskers. Did he not enjoy some sort of payout in this lifetime?

How about :
Colin Powell, Secretary of State, ?
Michaelangelo Buonerroti?
Galileo Galilee?
Isaac Newton?
Thomas Jefferson?
Calvin Coolidge, Christian (39th paragraph)



This isn't about lists.
It is now.

Originally posted by Lothian
There are more non Christians than Christians in the world. Does that mean that Christians are wrong ? No. But pointing out that there are some Christians doesn't mean that they are right.
We're not arguing right and wrong. I merely posted support for my argument that Christians have exhilirating lives. You said "I'm receiving my reward in this lifetime." I'm just here to say "Hey bud, we do have some rewards in this life also."

Originally posted by Lothian
This is not the point I was making. I was saying that I am happy with my beliefs, You do not appear to be happy with yours.
I am not talking about, earning lots of money, being famous, discovering earth shattering revelations, partying every night. I am merely talking about being totally happy with your beliefs.

Lothian, the more you try to make a case for "Riddick is unhappy with his beliefs..." the weaker your case is.

Originally posted by Lothian
Missing the point again. I never mentioned fun, not that I don’t have any. It is not what I was saying, but you make my point well.
I don’t believe that women are to be treated as trophies. I don’t believe that banging lots of attractive people makes me a better person. I don’t think banging an attractive person is better than a not so attractive person. I personally believe that how you feel about the person you sleep with, and how they feel about you is far more important.
They are my beliefs and I think I am right. But I practice what I believe and am happy with myself for it.
I accept the bible treats women appallingly but ‘modern’ Christianity does would not condone your behaviour and attitude above. You know this and this causes you conflict. As I said you are not truly happy with the religion you have been told to have.
I don’t care if you sleep with a different ‘angel’ every night. I don’t try to put my morals on you. But I believe that if people practice what they preach they are happier. You appear not to.

Lothian, the more you try to make a case for "Riddick is unhappy with his beliefs..." the weaker your case is.

Originally posted by Lothian
You are right I believe that this is my life and I want people to judge me on what I did in it. I don’t believe that I can be an ass all my life and because I believe that some other fool has taken the blame for me beinga n ass I will go to heaven.

Neither does believing in God guarantee a place a next life.
It may not guarantee it, but it will go a long ways towards assuring it.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
I have seen Yahweh post here on saturday nights, so you attacked her at the same time. Nice job.
Excuse me, but I believe Truthseeker was specifically adressing those who are "42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible". I cant say I'm one of those. Sorry!

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Riddick

Granted, Lincoln, Nebraska club life is not quite Miami as far as club life, but there are a few. Being a University town does have its advantages.

But being 42 is sort of losing the club picture. So you can make fun of me if you want. That doesn't make you a better person.

I have seen Yahweh post here on saturday nights, so you attacked her at the same time. Nice job.

You misunderstood. I was posting on a Saturday night. This is consistent with the fact that I am single and don't do the clubbing thing. I don't make fun of people being at home on the weekend. Only teenagers would do something like that.

My point was that you portray yourself as a professional adult who is a member of a conservative Christian denomination and who has a fairly literal interpretation of the Bible. And yet, your behaviour is more consistent with someone much younger. None of the SDAs I've ever known would go clubbing or would be comfortable with casual sex. It just doesn't fit. Maybe there is a split in you. You wouldn't be the first. Or maybe you aren't a 42 year old MBA. Again, you wouldn't be the first.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Excuse me, but I believe Truthseeker was specifically adressing those who are "42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible". I cant say I'm one of those. Sorry!


Hey. Glad someone got my point. Of course, I didn't mean you.

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Riddick

Lothian, the more you try to make a case for "Riddick is unhappy with his beliefs..." the weaker your case is.
If it looks like a dog barks like a dog....

It may not guarantee it, but it will go a long ways towards assuring it. [/B]Belief in God does not mean there is a god, unless believing in the tooth fairy means there is a tooth fairy.

[wollery]

Originally posted by Riddick
I have skied against "gods" in slalom skiing. I rank 36th in the World Rankings --- that's on this planet. I do know how to have fun. Oh, and I'm a Christian.According to the FIS website Julien Cousineau is currently ranked 36th in the world cup slalom standings. Is that you? I doubt it as he's a 23 year old Canadian!

[hgc]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Excuse me, but I believe Truthseeker was specifically adressing those who are "42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible". I cant say I'm one of those. Sorry! As a matter of fact, you're the only forum participant who has gotten younger since joining. ;)

[Riddick]

Originally posted by wollery
According to the FIS website Julien Cousineau is currently ranked 36th in the world cup slalom standings. Is that you? I doubt it as he's a 23 year old Canadian!
my ranking was good in 1993.

you're looking at current rankings.

btw, a 38 yr old holds the current world record = Andy Mapple of Great Britain. some guy tied him, jamie buchesne.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Excuse me, but I believe Truthseeker was specifically adressing those who are "42 year old MBA, SDA who goes clubbing and screws around as much as possible". I cant say I'm one of those. Sorry!
So you stay home saturday nights and post at jref, among other weblogs.

Are you more proud of that? You must live in hicksville where there's no action.

I think I'm having more fun than you are, ya shut-in.

[Nyarlathotep]

That wooshing sound that you all just heard was the point sailing waaaaaaaaaaay over Riddick's head.

[wollery]

Originally posted by Riddick
my ranking was good in 1993.

you're looking at current rankings.

btw, a 38 yr old holds the current world record = Andy Mapple of Great Britain. some guy tied him, jamie buchesne. I see, so was the use of the present tense in your post intended to mislead, or is it just your poor grammar.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by wollery
I see, so was the use of the current tense in your post intended to mislead, or is it just your poor grammar.
not really. it's kind of like being the president.

once you're the president, they always refer to you as Mr. president.

it's timeless.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
That wooshing sound that you all just heard was the point sailing waaaaaaaaaaay over Riddick's head.
Nyarlathotep, you're a little $hithead, and you always will be.

[wollery]

Originally posted by Riddick

not really. it's kind of like being the president.

once you're the president, they always refer to you as Mr. president.

it's timeless. I beg to differ, Bill Clinton is no longer referred to as the president, he is referred to as the former president, and i'm sure that when introducing himself he would never say "I am the president of the USA." It would be factually incorrect, and a major breach of protocol.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Riddick

So you stay home saturday nights and post at jref, among other weblogs.

Are you more proud of that? You must live in hicksville where there's no action.

I think I'm having more fun than you are, ya shut-in.

Excuse me, but all three of us were at home posting on Saturday night.

Again, Riddick, how old are you?

[hgc]

Originally posted by wollery
I beg to differ, Bill Clinton is no longer referred to as the president, he is referred to as the former president, and i'm sure that when introducing himself he would never say "I am the president of the USA." It would be factually incorrect, and a major breach of protocol. But nonetheless, that's the protocol. Former presidents are addressed as "Mr. President."

[hgc]

Originally posted by Riddick

Nyarlathotep, you're a little $hithead, and you always will be. That's not Christian, Davey.

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/10_03/Davey%20and%20Goliath.jpg

[Riddick]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Excuse me, but all three of us were at home posting on Saturday night.

Again, Riddick, how old are you?
lol, you think i'm lying that i'm 42yo? thanks for the compliment.

i was married 10 years. and i've been divorced 10 years. maybe that will help.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Nyarlathotep, you're a little $hithead, and you always will be.

If I had an iota of respect for you that might actually annoy me

as it is...:slp:

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

lol, you think i'm lying that i'm 42yo? thanks for the compliment.

i was married 10 years. and i've been divorced 10 years. maybe that will help.

Then I will pay you the same compliment.

You certainly demonstrate the emotional maturity of a 13 year old, evenif you are not.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by hgc
But nonetheless, that's the protocol. Former presidents are addressed as "Mr. President."

More comparable to Riddick's claim, John McEnroe would not say "I am the top seeded tennis player in the world" but rather "I once was ...."

Riddick, I really don't care how old you are. Give me at least that there are some strange elements to your story. You must realize that there are incongruencies and, taken together, the profile is rather unique.

[hgc]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


More comparable to Riddick's claim, John McEnroe would not say "I am the top seeded tennis player in the world" but rather "I once was ...."

Riddick, I really don't care how old you are. Give me at least that there are some strange elements to your story. You must realize that there are incongruencies and, taken together, the profile is rather unique. Yes, of course my pedantic reply was way off point. Riddick has a tendency toward self-aggrandizement. He probably thinks he's Jesus.

[Riddick]

George Washington, when he took the oath of office as President of the US, added 4 words of his own to the oath:

", so help me God."

This was according to the PBS.org special on "The American Presidents." They have the tape set for sale on the special.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by hgc
Yes, of course my pedantic reply was way off point. Riddick has a tendency toward self-aggrandizement. He probably thinks he's Jesus.

I just thought he'd assume you were agreeing with him. :D

[Riddick]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
More comparable to Riddick's claim, John McEnroe would not say "I am the top seeded tennis player in the world" but rather "I once was ...."

Riddick, I really don't care how old you are. Give me at least that there are some strange elements to your story. You must realize that there are incongruencies and, taken together, the profile is rather unique.
McEnroe will always be a champion.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
I just thought he'd assume you were agreeing with him. :D
He agrees with you. Which you must find very satisfying, no?

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Riddick

not really. it's kind of like being the president.

once you're the president, they always refer to you as Mr. president.

it's timeless. Hey Riddick you, incontinent dribbling screaming baby. Is this you ?
http://gmb79819.gq.nu/gmb01.jpg

[Riddick]

The incontinent dribbling screaming baby is the Honda CR250.

The guy standing next to it is me, Riddick.

edit: i've gained about 20lbs since that picture, sickening. I'm gonna work out military style this summer and lose it all.

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Riddick
The incontinent dribbling screaming baby is the Honda CR250.

The guy standing next to it is me, Riddick. Strange because on your website you don't come across as a religious saddo. Religion is not mentioned at all.

Me thinks you are trolling

[Riddick]

I prefer a low-key approach to my religious beliefs.

And I don't think trolling works on you all.

Most you will do the atheist dance and convert on your death bed anyway, so I don't really need to troll.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Riddick
Most you will do the atheist dance and convert on your death bed anyway, so I don't really need to troll.

Ah, that old chestnut...

You do realize, Riddick, that many atheists actually do adhere to some form of "religion" or at least some form of spiritual belief or philosophy, right.

For example, there are a few Buddhists on this site. Buddhism is an atheistic philosophy (well, agnostic, I suppose might be a better phrase, since thephilosophy, itself, doesn't really deal with gods one way or the other.).

Can you honestly see one of us (Buddhists) doing your "atheist dance"?

That would be like me saying I thought most non-Buddhists would meditate on a koan on their deathbed.

I do not believe what you believe, Riddick. I did, a long time ago. I have since realized that, for me, the path of Christianity is not the way. If you are honest in your belief, then I hope you find true happiness in it. Enjoy it in your heart.

I find that atheists are just as happy in their beliefs.

And, as with most everyone, atheists don't like having people force opinions on them. Simple as that.

[Riddick]

Well I'm not into forcing my opinion on anyone.

Forcing my opinion would amount to rape. I don't do rape.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Riddick

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776


How does that have anything do to with the bible?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

This really has nothing to do with god, either, as the Founding Fathers were agnostic, aetheist, or merely general deist, and worded the document to be acceptable to the public. Much like Colin Powell.

And that statment has nothing to do with proof of god's existence, or whether or not belief is required to make a country.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Suezoled

This really has nothing to do with god, either, as the Founding Fathers were agnostic, aetheist, or merely general deist, and worded the document to be acceptable to the public. Much like Colin Powell.

And that statment has nothing to do with proof of god's existence, or whether or not belief is required to make a country. Of course the use of the word Creator does seem to stand out a bit doesn't it? ;)

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well I'm not into forcing my opinion on anyone.

Forcing my opinion would amount to rape. I don't do rape. No, you don't rape. You just mentally molest everyone who reads your posts.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
No, you don't rape. You just mentally molest everyone who reads your posts.
Look in the mirror pal.

How many times have you molested Christians?

edit: Practically this entire freakin' jref board is about molesting Christians. I'll put it at the low number of 50% of all posts.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Look in the mirror pal.

How many times have you molested Christians?

edit: Practically this entire freakin' jref board is about molesting Christians. I'll put it at the low number of 50% of all posts.

[CFLarsen mode]
Evidence?
[/CFLarsen Mode]

Precisely how do Christians get "molested" on this board? Unless you consider statements taht we do not agree with Christianity and don't want it forced upon us by society or (especially) the government. Is that your definition of "molesting"?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
[CFLarsen mode]
Evidence?
[/CFLarsen Mode]

Precisely how do Christians get "molested" on this board? Unless you consider statements taht we do not agree with Christianity and don't want it forced upon us by society or (especially) the government. Is that your definition of "molesting"?
Not agreeing with and making fun of are two different ideas completely. Although they can arrive together.

I assume you're joking when you ask for evidence. Come on man, call a spade a spade.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Not agreeing with and making fun of are two different ideas completely. Although they can arrive together.

I assume you're joking when you ask for evidence. Come on man, call a spade a spade.

Nope I am dead serious. Please demonstrate how 50% of the posts on this board are making fun of Christians.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Nope I am dead serious. Please demonstrate how 50% of the posts on this board are making fun of Christians.
You sir, are the annointed King of Ignorance.

Revel in your youth and innocence, until some beautiful girl rapes your best intentions.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

You sir, are the annointed King of Ignorance.

Revel in your youth and innocence, until some beautiful girl rapes your best intentions.

I take that to mean, "Nope, sorry, no evidence here"

[Wrath of the Swarm]

I'm sure Riddick sees dozens of posts insulting him every day on these boards.

"Aha," he thinks, "they're obviously dedicated to insulting Christians!"

What he doesn't realize is that we're dedicated to insulting stupid people.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I take that to mean, "Nope, sorry, no evidence here" Hah. Riddie can't back up his statements with evidence or examples. He still thinks "fundie" directly means** "fun die."

*CROTCH THRUST*

**directly means: two directly means the sum of X's in "One X and another."
as opposed to indirectly means: Ford indirectly means "Fix or Repair Daily".

[Brahe]

Originally posted by Riddick

You sir, are the annointed King of Ignorance.

Revel in your youth and innocence, until some beautiful girl rapes your best intentions.
Anyone else find it odd and rather dishonest that Riddick tries to pull the "I'm so persecuted because of my faith in Jesus" routine and then tries to pull this?

Also, if 50% is a "low number" for the percentage of posts here dedicated to "molesting Christians", surely it should be absolutely no problem to back up the statistic. What's wrong, Riddick? Just because you made some baseless assertions in this thread earlier that were exposed shouldn't increase your incentive to produce more baseless assertions.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick

You sir, are the annointed King of Ignorance.

Revel in your youth and innocence, until some beautiful girl rapes your best intentions.
:rub:

Calm down and think of kittens...

http://216.218.248.155/datastore/b4/2d/b/b42d1193caba0a2a0c158555cae98d72.jpg

There, dont you feel better now :)

[Some Friggin Guy]

Yahweh, stop with the kittens.




It's making me hungry.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
I'm sure Riddick sees dozens of posts insulting him every day on these boards.

"Aha," he thinks, "they're obviously dedicated to insulting Christians!"

What he doesn't realize is that we're dedicated to insulting stupid people.

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Wrath.

[Suezoled]

I have better things to do with my time than go out of my way insulting fundies.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I take that to mean, "Nope, sorry, no evidence here"
Here are six examples of making fun of christians in the first 13 posts, so we come in at just under 50%. This was at the time of sampling, of course:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37290
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37296
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36618
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37173
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37185
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37179

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Here are six examples of making fun of christians in the first 13 posts, so we come in at just under 50%. This was at the time of sampling, of course:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37290

This thread asks a legitimate, if unanswerable question. Ther are some flip comments about the film "The Passion" and about Hollywood. Those are hardly synonymouos with Christianity. There are at most two posts out of six on that thread (and those only if you take a really broad definition of "making fun of Christians") that could be said to make fun of Christians. If anything gets made fun of on that thread, it's Hollywood. But let's count those two, that's roughly 33%

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37296

Once again you have to take a really broad definition of "making fun of Christians" to count that one, but I'll give you the OP anyway. The second post is a silly comment that has nothing much to do with Christianity or anything else. so that one has a 50% "makes fun of Christians" ratio.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36618

Sorry, a list of bad arguments that atheists commonly hear from Christians doesn't equate to making fun of Christians. I doubt that any but the most oblivious person (Christian, atheist, or whatever) would argue that his side never makes bad arguments. After some head nodding and adding to the list, the thread degnerates into general banter. This one has no content that makes fun of Christians.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37173

I can't find any making fun of Christians on this on either. In fact, one poster tells the original poster that he may be causing offense by calling his organization a church. The original poster seems to be trying to promote critical thinking and the bulk of the thread revolves around that. It's more about philosophy than religion. Unless you want to claim that discussing critical thinking insults Christianity....

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37185

There are a total of 4 posts out of the 31 posts on that thread that amake fun of Christianity as a whole. Most of the rest discuss the policies of Christianity.Com, or are directed at you personally, I do not think an attack upon you or upon Christianity.Com qualifies as an attack upon Christianity as a whole. 13% of the posts here attack Christianity.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37179

Out of 24 posts in this thread I see two that could be construed as an attack on Christianity (I'm being genreous here too). The vast majority are about the difficulties some people have in telling their parents that they are atheists. This does not constitute an attack on Christianity, these people are stating facts, that they ahve or ahd a hard time telling their parents that they were atheists. 8%

Did you even read the threads you linked to?

So out of the six threads of thirteen you picked as examples, not one had more than 50% of posts that attacked Christianity (and that one had only two posts on it), most had far less.

So do you still maintain that 50% of the threads on this board (and I'll once again be generous and assume that you mean the R&P section of the JREF Forum, rather than the forum as a whole) are making fun of Christians?

[Riddick]

I say Yes, you say No, ...isn't there a Beatles song like that?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick
I say Yes, you say No, ...isn't there a Beatles song like that?

Tell me then, what is your definition of making fun of Christianity? Because it has to be incredibly broad to come anywhere close to 50% of posts on this board being atrtacks on Christians. It would have to be something along the lines of "saying anything at all unflattering about any Christian individual or organization, regardless of whether that unflattering comment has anything to do with that person's/organization's Christianity or not."

[LFTKBS]

Riddick, from the IWSF (http://www.iwsf.com/wrlists.htm), I get Marcus Brown (http://www.d3skis.com/athletes/ath_brown.htm).

But he's not 42. And that photo that you claimed was you certainly doesn't look like Mr. Marcus Brown. And the guy you claimed to be certainly isn't a world-class skier.

I think you're a liar. I don't think you're the guy in the photo, and I don't think you're Mr. Brown. I think you're a chubby twit who wouldn't know the first thing about athletics or history or politics or logic or math or science.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
Riddick, from the IWSF (http://www.iwsf.com/wrlists.htm), I get Marcus Brown (http://www.d3skis.com/athletes/ath_brown.htm).

But he's not 42. And that photo that you claimed was you certainly doesn't look like Mr. Marcus Brown. And the guy you claimed to be certainly isn't a world-class skier.

I think you're a liar. I don't think you're the guy in the photo, and I don't think you're Mr. Brown. I think you're a chubby twit who wouldn't know the first thing about athletics or history or politics or logic or math or science.
I don't know who Marcus Brown is. But it looks like he's a very good skier. Additionally, I never claimed to be Mr. Brown. I would never want to be Mr. Brown.

The photo of me skiing is on my home page. Goto the photo page and that's me skiing in that photo. I scored 52. So look down that list to 52, and that's where I'd be. It looks like they may have scored only Tour events.

I tied for 36th place Nationally in the Men II Division, ages 25-35. I tied for 260th place Internationally in the Open Class Division.

You're like annoying. You're like some little kid who's running in circles around me. Why do these kids pester me? What are you going to do next? Pee on my foot?

I am bigger than he is: I'm 6', 230lbs
I two arm curl 185lbs for reps
I bench press 275lbs

You are young. That is your weakness.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

You're like annoying. You're like some little kid who's running in circles around me.

I think people (LFTKBS included) are running circles around you, but not in the sense that you mean.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


I think people (LFTKBS included) are running circles around you, but not in the sense that you mean.

hey Elder God! Let's do Ring-around-a-rosy!

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Suezoled


hey Elder God! Let's do Ring-around-a-rosy!

Don't you mean Rinag-Around-a-Riddick?

[wollery]

Originally posted by Riddick
I tied for 36th place Nationally in the Men II Division, ages 25-35. I tied for 260th place Internationally in the Open Class Division.That's interesting, because earlier you said;

I have skied against "gods" in slalom skiing. I rank 36th in the World Rankings --- that's on this planet.So would you like to make up your mind? If you came 36th in the US division (split for age group!) and 260th (tied) internationally how can you claim to have a world ranking of 36?

You're either a complete idiot or a liar. I know where my money is on that option.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by wollery
That's interesting, because earlier you said;

So would you like to make up your mind? If you came 36th in the US division (split for age group!) and 260th (tied) internationally how can you claim to have a world ranking of 36?

You're either a complete idiot or a liar. I know where my money is on that option.

Oh Wollery, the dreams we dream when we are awake...

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by Riddick

You are young. That is your weakness.

Whatever, "Chad."