10 Year Old Girl Shot For Throwing Snowball

[subgenius]

Arrest made in shooting of girl
Police say the man sought revenge after another girl was hit by a snowball.
By Caitlin Francke and Thomas J. Gibbons Jr.
Inquirer Staff Writers
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She was gunned down in a drive-by shooting Sunday evening in apparent retaliation for a neighborhood snowball battle. Yesterday, police arrested Joseph Best, 32, of the 2900 block of North 26th Street, saying he shot Ebony after a girl believed to be related to him was smacked by a snowball.
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http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5254899.htm

I am crying.

The little angel:

[corplinx]

And people wonder why I believe in capital punishment. In this case you have a gun and witnesses in daylight. In a fair justice system, he would be given a speedy trial, one appeal, and then executed by lethal injection. I don't want my tax dollars paying for his shelter and 3 meals a day.

[subgenius]

Blow his brains out.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius
Blow his brains out.

Too stalinesque. Ye Ole "Take the guy down to into a basement shower room, have him face the drain, and put a bullet in his head". I think China still uses this method to deal with repeat felons.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Now, before you all convict the guy, let's at least find out who started it.

[Nikk]

Originally posted by corplinx


Too stalinesque. Ye Ole "Take the guy down to into a basement shower room, have him face the drain, and put a bullet in his head". I think China still uses this method to deal with repeat felons.

Must play hell with the tiling and the shower tray.:D

[bangdazap]

Originally posted by corplinx


Too stalinesque. Ye Ole "Take the guy down to into a basement shower room, have him face the drain, and put a bullet in his head". I think China still uses this method to deal with repeat felons.
Don't they have public mass executions i China?
And they charge the relatives of the executed with the cost of the bullet :(

[a_unique_person]

I blame the christians



Residents and police said trouble started about 2 p.m. when a group of boys on Jefferson Street was throwing snowballs. A group of girls was walking out of the Fellowship Evangelist Church, 5219 W. Jefferson St., to go to the store and a snowball hit one of them - prompting some nearby neighborhood girls to laugh.

The girl hit by the snowball turned to the neighborhood girls and angrily stated: "I'll give you something to laugh about," according to Keisha Brown, 31, whose two daughters were involved.

The girl went back to the church and returned with Best and other older relatives. A fight broke out between the neighborhood girls and Best's group. Police broke it up.

[crackmonkey]

It sounds as if it was a black neighborhood... are you going to blame African-American culture, too?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by corplinx
And people wonder why I believe in capital punishment.
So, because it's wrong to take a life, you want to... take a life? Yeah, that's truly rational... :rolleyes:

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

So, because it's wrong to take a life, you want to... take a life? Yeah, that's truly rational... :rolleyes:

What's irrational about removing a defective person from society and the gene pool? :rolleyes:

It's not about vengeance. Its about a safer society and a bit to do with darwinism. I call it "proactive" evolution.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by corplinx

What's irrational about removing a defective person from society and the gene pool? :rolleyes:
It's not about vengeance. Its about a safer society and a bit to do with darwinism. I call it "proactive" evolution.
It's still murder.
Locking them away forever will also remove them from the gene pool, without resort to killing them. And your euphemisms are still just that: euphemisms. "Proactive evolution" may sound nicer, but it's still murder.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

It's still murder.
Locking them away forever will also remove them from the gene pool, without resort to killing them. And your euphemisms are still just that: euphemisms. "Proactive evolution" may sound nicer, but it's still murder.

And your euphemisms are still just that: euphemisms.

It is inhumane to jail a man for life. Just put him down and be done with it. If you have evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, I don't see what the big deal is.

I don't see why criminal behavior on someone else's part should become a burden on innocent people (who pay the taxes that house and feed Charles Manson).

Right now capital punishment is a joke. Euro-elites dismiss it as barbary and refuse to entertain the idea. In america, its a total joke due to a poor justice system and inequity. And then someone brings up the fact that it doesnt seem to be a deterent, even though its a total joke.

As for murder, I don't care if we murder a murderer. I have no qualms with it. The idea that punishment fitting the crime is bad holds no weight with me.

[corplinx]

Let me just say on more thing on capital punishment because I hate arguing with people's religious beliefs about killing or people's elitist concepts of barbary.

All I have to say is, if you don't think we should kill them, you take them. We will set up a special tax fund in america, with it you can contribute for death row inmates' expenses. if the fund doesnt collect enough to pay their expenses, then we execute the ones there longest until the money contributed can pay for it. I think thats fair. If you want death rowers not to die, you pay for it.

If another country thinks its wrong, feel free to take the death row inmates to your country and put the burden of their life sentence on your tax payers. So far, I have not heard europe pleading to take death row prisoners off our hands.

I think it would have been _repugnant_ to ask the citizens of NATO countries to pay the room and board for life of those who were hung at Nuremberg in lieu of execution.

[Kimpatsu]

If you are going to put a dollar value on human life, then by paying that equivalent amount, logically I get the right to kill a person of my choosing. I can buy a murder licence. How much are you thinking it should cost? Will I get discounts for bulk purchases of multiple licences? Will there be a special agency set up to handle the killing, or should I do it myself?
And, how long do you think it will be before someone takes out a contract on you?

[crackmonkey]

...and this is logical how? I suppose you could say the same thing about prisons - if you're willing to pay to keep a man in prison, then I suppose you should then allow me to have anyone I wish incarcerated if I pay the fee.
In a word, no... it doesn't follow.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
if you're willing to pay to keep a man in prison, then I suppose you should then allow me to have anyone I wish incarcerated if I pay the fee.


Very weak.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
If you are going to put a dollar value on human life, then by paying that equivalent amount, logically I get the right to kill a person of my choosing.

Your logic is astounding.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by corplinx
Your logic is astounding.
That's right. I've even won awards for it.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

That's right. I've even won awards for it.

Congratulations.

[iain]

Originally posted by corplinx


What's irrational about removing a defective person from society and the gene pool? :rolleyes:

It's not about vengeance. Its about a safer society and a bit to do with darwinism. I call it "proactive" evolution. I think the word you're looking for is "eugenics". It had a quite a few supporters in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but has been less popular since about 1945 for some reason that temporarily escapes me. :D

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by corplinx
Congratulations.
Thank you.

[Julia]

Back to the little girl, the victim. Sad beyond words.

[crackmonkey]

Logic like that got you an award? Was it the Special Olympics of philosophy or something?

[Soubrette]

Originally posted by Julia
Back to the little girl, the victim. Sad beyond words.

Indeed :(

Sou

[Smalso]

Right now, I am more saddened by the death of the little girl than with enthusiasm for punishing her murderer. So many things happen that are totally senseless. Killing a little girl over a snowball.

[Kimpatsu]

Is it possible that the killer was mentally disturbed? Normally, not even sociopaths would kill for something that trivial.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Is it possible that the killer was mentally disturbed? Normally, not even sociopaths would kill for something that trivial.

And if he was? ( mentally disturbed )

It's possible he had a burr in his shorts. I can't wait for that to be offered as a defense.



Lets make sure we are sane, and dealing with something non-trivial when we murder someone.


For example, if we should murder someone who killed a 10 year old for throwing a snowball?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
It sounds as if it was a black neighborhood... are you going to blame African-American culture, too?

How does a black neighborhood sound?


Who is ' you '? As in ?...are 'you' going to blame ...

Where did anyone mention skin color before you brought it up?

[Voob]

I believe I read this here before, but this page (http://208.55.30.156/facts/other/costly.shtml) compares the costs of capital punishment vs. life imprisonment.

[Victor Danilchenko]

corplinx

What's irrational about removing a defective person from society and the gene pool? :rolleyes:because the government decides who is defective (and no, there is no better standard either).

Power will inevitably be abused. A power over life and death -- the ultimate power -- is something that should never, ever be entrusted to the government. This is why i find the pro-death-penlathy-but-anti-big-government conservatives so funny...

But death penalty isd a bad, bad idea. Under any circumstances. We can say anything we want about "beyond reasonable doubt", but we already have that standard, and innocents still die on death row.

It's not about vengeance. Its about a safer society and a bit to do with darwinism. I call it "proactive" evolution.Ah yes, you now presume to be the agent of laws of nature, by defending 'proactive evolution"... see what I mean about abuse of power? people get *********** high on power, just as you are (over imaginary power, but still). This is why the power to legitimately kill a person should not be entrusted into government's hands.

It is inhumane to jail a man for life. Just put him down and be done with it. If you have evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, I don't see what the big deal is.if inumanity isd your concern (and it's not, you liar), then give the convict a choice -- let them decide whether they would rather be killed humanely, or spend life in jail.

I don't see why criminal behavior on someone else's part should become a burden on innocent people (who pay the taxes that house and feed Charles Manson).This is the price we pay for doing out best to protect the innocents, and keeping the ultimate power away from government abuse.

As for murder, I don't care if we murder a murderer. I have no qualms with it. The idea that punishment fitting the crime is bad holds no weight with me.And you have the cojones to proclaim that for you, it's not about vengeance?.. :rolleyes:

[Mike B.]

As you might imagine the local news here has covered the story very throughly.

The killer has a rap sheet that is full of wonderful things like armed robbery, assualt, etc.

This really seems like a case of revolving door justice. There were a number of felonies on this man's record.

The news interviewing the mother was also eye-opening. She kept saying how he was a "good boy." I get the feeling she has been making excuses for this turd her whole life.

Since it was brought up. Some of the local black clergy have been complaining that excessive coverage of this story is racism since it perpetuates violent sterotypes of African-Americans.

(I wonder if it should be told to them the victim was black...)

[Kimpatsu]

What constitutes a felony under US law? Just so I can be clear on what this man's rap sheet contained. Any lawyers out there?
TIA,

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
corplinx

We can say anything we want about "beyond reasonable doubt", but we already have that standard, and innocents still die on death row.



Thank you for agreeing with me Victor. If you read my post you notice that I said the justice system itself is flawed. You could possibly extrapolate then that I might think these flaws should be fixed before capital punishment should be expanded.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Mike B.
Since it was brought up. Some of the local black clergy have been complaining that excessive coverage of this story is racism since it perpetuates violent sterotypes of African-Americans.


This is truly sad. Do they expect "man shoots girl for throwing snowball" to _not_ get covered?

[DialecticMaterialist]

Again, give guns out to millions of nuts and what do you expect to happen?

Then again, I imagine some gun advocate will say if the lil girl was packing heat she could have defended herself. ;)

Of course I think the nut should be executed, I adhere to retribution theory and the guy is obviously guilty. And yes believe it or not: I trust the federal government. :eek:

The jerk deserves to eat concrete for what he did.

[DialecticMaterialist]

Some of the local black clergy have been complaining that excessive coverage of this story is racism since it perpetuates violent sterotypes of African-Americans.

What The Phuck kind of post hoc reasoning is that? "Story about a black shooter killing a girl for throwing a snowball=media attempt to paint all blacks murderers"? Gee couldn't be cause the crime was so utterly heinous and the motive so ridiculous. The only thing I see them stereotyping actually is grown men that kill little girls over throwing snow balls....and to be honest I must admit I negatively stereotype such people as well. Being the prejudice bastard I am. ;)

[Victor Danilchenko]

corplinx

If you read my post you notice that I said the justice system itself is flawed. You could possibly extrapolate then that I might think these flaws should be fixed before capital punishment should be expanded.These flaws are inherent. They are the flaws of people, and the flaws of institutions composed of people.

If those flaws were fixed, we could reliably have capital punishment -- and if your grandma had balls, she would be your grandpa.

And if we could fix those flaws, we could have communism, and nobody would commit crimes anyway...

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko

and if your grandma had balls, she would be your grandpa.


I'll have you know that my grandma is my granmda even if she did grow a pair during those medical tests a few years back!

[DialecticMaterialist]

These flaws are inherent. They are the flaws of people, and the flaws of institutions composed of people.


The system doesn't have to be perfect to work. Its not reasonable to shoot down a policy that promotes justice just because there will be an occasional mess up. Especially as our methods become more refined(science and technology lesson the impact of human error).
You are committing yourself to a perfectionist fallacy. I think in the case of preserving justice/avoiding extreme injustice vs avoiding some innocent deaths, I side with justice. It is a value judgement of course but so is the other.

[Troll]

Has she died? Last I heard she was in critical condition and I've not seen otherwise posted here. Or did I miss a post?

But I have seen posts about the death of a poor little girl and none about the insanity of many alleged adults, so I have to ask if she has died.

[Troll]

If she's still alive, I'm really going to have to go out of my way to mention how quick to assume the worst many of you jump to and do so by name. calling a person a killer when he has not killed isn't going to help you in the future when you try to make a valid point. and it's not to lessen the crime the idiot committed, it's just to point out your own exaggerations as to the degree of crime committed. To say person A killed person B when person B is not dead is an error.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Troll
Has she died? Last I heard she was in critical condition and I've not seen otherwise posted here. Or did I miss a post?

But I have seen posts about the death of a poor little girl and none about the insanity of many alleged adults, so I have to ask if she has died.


This is an excellent point.

[corplinx]

The original story I read said one girl was killed and one was critically wounded. Seeing as how it was hot off the presses it was probably hot with misinformation.

[Doctor X]

It's still murder

The appropriate term is "justifiable homicide."

--J.D.

[LTC8K6]

It seems that the fight was over the snowball and the shooting was over the fight. No one was shot over a snowball as far as I can tell.

Another crime committed by someone who should have still been in jail for his other crimes.....

Best faces charges of attempted murder and weapons violations, police said. According to court records, he has a record of felony and misdemeanor offenses over the last 12 years. He has been convicted of armed robberies, weapons offenses and thefts.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
It seems that the fight was over the snowball and the shooting was over the fight. No one was shot over a snowball as far as I can tell.




Yes but, "Snowball Shooting" makes a better headline.

[Valmorian]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
You are committing yourself to a perfectionist fallacy. I think in the case of preserving justice/avoiding extreme injustice vs avoiding some innocent deaths, I side with justice. It is a value judgement of course but so is the other.

Any time I consider a system of justice, I think 'what would I want to have happen to me if I was falsely convicted?'.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Valmorian


Any time I consider a system of justice, I think 'what would I want to have happen to me if I was falsely convicted?'.
Or your brother, son, mother, daughter. There is no way anyone would accept being executed wrongly, by saying, "Oh that's the way it goes."

"Its not reasonable to shoot down a policy that promotes justice just because there will be an occasional mess up."

Translation: as long as its someone else.
I have a hard time accepting that someone can refer to an innocent person dying as "an occasional mess up."

[LillyThePink]

And the answer to the gun problem in the US is obviously more guns.

:rolleyes:

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
It seems that the fight was over the snowball and the shooting was over the fight.
So, in other words, the fighting snowballed.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Doctor X
The appropriate term is "justifiable homicide."
Homicide in never justified.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
It seems that the fight was over the snowball and the shooting was over the fight. No one was shot over a snowball as far as I can tell.

From what you said the opposite could be concluded.
Not sure why this makes a difference when a 10 year old is shot in the head.
I thought the thread would generate more discussion on senseless violence than the death penalty.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius

I thought the thread would generate more discussion on senseless violence than the death penalty.

My bad.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by corplinx


My bad.
Not directled at you my friend. Its OK to go wherever it leads.
Of course our first instincts are retribution, I said shoot him in the head. Now I'm glad I wasn't there with a gun at the time (I mean afterward).
Lincoln or someone said something about following the angels of our better nature. Hard to do sometimes.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by subgenius
Lincoln or someone said something about following the angels of our better nature. Hard to do sometimes.
Which is why we have to make the effort.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Homicide in never justified.

False.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
False.
Absolutely TRUE. When can murder ever be justified?

[Troll]

Originally posted by LillyThePink
And the answer to the gun problem in the US is obviously more guns.

:rolleyes:

We don't have a gun problem. we have an idiot problem.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Absolutely TRUE. When can murder ever be justified?

Sounds like circular reasoning to me.

Murder is never right, why, because its not!

[Troll]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Absolutely TRUE. When can murder ever be justified?

Murder wasn't the word used. And killing in self-defense or defense of others is justified.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Troll


Murder wasn't the word used. And killing in self-defense or defense of others is justified.
Yup.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Troll
Murder wasn't the word used. And killing in self-defense or defense of others is justified.
This argument always assumes that there are only two extremes: total surrender, or killing. It is always possible to defend life without taking it.

[gnome]

Usually when someone brings up the taxpayer cost of feeding and housing a life-sentenced prisoner that would otherwise have been executed, someone else brings up the cost of all the legal fees to the government going through the process of arranging the execution, legal fees, appeals, etc.

At this point people start throwing figures and sources around.

Let me make another tack... IF these costs were equivalent, or if the death penalty was actually more expensive per case, would that change your mind?

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

This argument always assumes that there are only two extremes: total surrender, or killing. It is always possible to defend life without taking it.
Always avoid always.
Never been mugged huh?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by subgenius
Always avoid always.
And never say never?
Originally posted by subgenius
Never been mugged huh?
People have tried twice.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

And never say never?

People have tried twice.
Be prepared for quite an argument. I shall not be participating. And I think it may be a topic for a different thread. I recommend you start one.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by subgenius
Be prepared for quite an argument.
I relish the opportunity. ;)
Originally posted by subgenius
I think it may be a topic for a different thread. I recommend you start one.
Under what heading? We did the "Is killing morally justified?" once before. "How many people are violent sociopaths?" might make for a more interesting read... :cool:

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

I relish the opportunity. ;)

Under what heading? We did the "Is killing morally justified?" once before. "How many people are violent sociopaths?" might make for a more interesting read... :cool:

"Say something once why say it again?"--David Byrne

How about "It is always possible to defend a life without taking it."

That is far more specific to your claim than the others.
Have fun.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

This argument always assumes that there are only two extremes: total surrender, or killing. It is always possible to defend life without taking it.

It is? Then please explain to me how it is done. How is it possible to never have to resort to something that could cause death while defending yourself or another.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Troll
Then please explain to me how it is done. How is it possible to never have to resort to something that could cause death while defending yourself or another.
Are you saying that you would accidentally cause the death of another, rather than a deliberate act? If, for example, your punch is too hard and kills them rather than knocking them out (the desired effect), then you need to practice your punching more to gain greater control. And if you punched them diliberately intending to kill, then you are a murderer. Which scenario did you mean?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Absolutely TRUE. When can murder ever be justified?

When someone is trying to murder you first.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Are you saying that you would accidentally cause the death of another, rather than a deliberate act? If, for example, your punch is too hard and kills them rather than knocking them out (the desired effect), then you need to practice your punching more to gain greater control. And if you punched them diliberately intending to kill, then you are a murderer. Which scenario did you mean?

Intent isn't always there so let's go with your first example.

In this case the person needs more work but he has killed. does that make him a murderer if his actions were in self defense?

If someone waits to long to take a shot with a pistol they may be the one shot first if the attacker is armed in the same manner. Or if the attacker is unarmed and you wait too long you could find yourself in a struggle for the weapon and either of you may be shot during the melee.

And either of these cases proves that there is not always another way. The novice doesn't get to tell the attacker to wait and let him train longer.

[susheel]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu

Are you saying that you would accidentally cause the death of another, rather than a deliberate act? If, for example, your punch is too hard and kills them rather than knocking them out (the desired effect), then you need to practice your punching more to gain greater control. And if you punched them diliberately intending to kill, then you are a murderer. Which scenario did you mean?

Kimpatsu, though I tend to be pacifist I do believe there is a flaw in your reasoning. You asuume that everyone has a grasp of self-defense techniques that are on the level of being able to deal with any situation (which is a very high level).

If someone approaches my family, friends or me with the intention of doing serious harm I will do my best to see that he is unsuccesful. This will include hitting him with anything that comes to hand, and if that thing happens to be an axe...well tough luck.

Though I have basic street fighting skills I am aware of my limitations of not being able to dance around my attacker and ultimately being able to restrain him. I will try to do something that is quick and effective, and if it kills him...well it was justified.

Not murder, because I had no intention of doing so until he became and immediate threat to the existence of my loved ones or me. Homicide...yes, I took a life. Ergo- Justifiable Homicide.

[subgenius]

Kimpatsu start another thread based on your premise as I suggested. This one is in honor of a little girl brutally assaulted.
Yours is: "It is always possible to defend a life without taking it."
Good luck.
Go and do it.

[susheel]

OOOps...sorry for that hijack. When I read about that I began to really think of the sick mind that makes a guy feel that he is justified in shooting at a little girl (I don't think if she was killed or not matters at all).

Besides, if tempers were beginning to flare, didn't anyone have the good sense to take the kids to safety? I have seent this happen often. Adults throwing their fists around while their kids stand around crying.

My own father did it to me once. Got into a fight with a guy who supposedly insulted him and forgot totally that my sister and I (she was three, I was five) was there with him. I confronted him with it some years ago and he gave me some fluff about how a man has to stand up for himself. Guy had a short temper and a giant ego.

I come from a country where spoilt rich guys with political connections kill ice cream sellers because they didn't have the right flavour.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by susheel
OOOps...sorry for that hijack. When I read about that I began to really think of the sick mind that makes a guy feel that he is justified in shooting at a little girl (I don't think if she was killed or not matters at all).

Besides, if tempers were beginning to flare, didn't anyone have the good sense to take the kids to safety? I have seent this happen often. Adults throwing their fists around while their kids stand around crying.

My own father did it to me once. Got into a fight with a guy who supposedly insulted him and forgot totally that my sister and I (she was three, I was five) was there with him. I confronted him with it some years ago and he gave me some fluff about how a man has to stand up for himself. Guy had a short temper and a giant ego.

I come from a country where spoilt rich guys with political connections kill ice cream sellers because they didn't have the right flavour.
That's very brave of you to share. I am very happy you did and that you obviously have learned the right lesson from the experience.

[susheel]

Yeah...I learned how not to be a parent from my parents.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by susheel
Yeah...I learned how not to be a parent from my parents.
Too many people don't.
A tear in my eye. Good luck to you. Thanks again.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Troll
If she's still alive, I'm really going to have to go out of my way to mention how quick to assume the worst many of you jump to and do so by name. calling a person a killer when he has not killed isn't going to help you in the future when you try to make a valid point. and it's not to lessen the crime the idiot committed, it's just to point out your own exaggerations as to the degree of crime committed. To say person A killed person B when person B is not dead is an error.

If you shoot into a crowd of children, that generally means your shooting to kill. Shooting into a crowd of children is a bad method of trying not to kill any of them.

[JAR]

Originally posted by corplinx


Too stalinesque. Ye Ole "Take the guy down to into a basement shower room, have him face the drain, and put a bullet in his head". I think China still uses this method to deal with repeat felons.

The person who's stalinesque is the guy who shot the girl.

[JAR]

That's horrible. I went to a middle school and high school in bad neighborhoods. The personality of the gunner is totally similar to the character of many of the kids I went to school with.

One kid I knew in high school lived in Compton(a city that is notorious for its crime problem) and had been in a car when someone fired at the car he was in. His friend sitting next to him recieved a bullet in the head and died instantly.

One kid that went to my middle school killed another kid. He knew this kid from another school he had gone to. He had bullied this kid in the past and when he saw him on the street he pulled out a gun and said, "Remember me, I'm the guy who used to mess with you." The other kid was with his uncle and his uncle said, "Let's just walk away." So they turned around and started walking away. The kid with the gun fired the gun at the back of the other kids head and he died then and there.

I was shocked by the fact that the majority of the students I knew at school did not moarn for the kid who was killed but instead talked about how the newspaper didn't talk of the good things about the killer's personality, only focusing on the bad things, and had chosen a picture of him to show which made him look like a worse person than he was.

A teacher I had made me and my classmates write letters to the killer. I wrote a letter in which I told him that he had done a horrible deed and I hoped he spent the rest of his life in prison.

I have other stories to tell but I think I've gone on long enough.

[subgenius]

Tell us more. People need to know what's going on.

[JAR]

Originally posted by subgenius
Tell us more. People need to know what's going on.

Thanks for the appreciation subgenius.

Here's more of my experiences. My first bad experience at my middle school was during my first week there. I saw a student much taller than me zip open the back of another student's backpack and stick his hand in it. I yelled out, "Hey, he's trying to steal out of your backpack." The student turned around, said, "Thanks," and moved away from the thief and zipped up his backpack. The thief walked over to me and told me that he had a gun and if I did that again he would kill me.

After that I had an experience with another tall student cornering me in a restroom and telling me to give him my money. I gave him the ten dollars that were in my wallet and he smiled, said, "Thank you", and went his way and I went mine.

After that I found it was a good idea to keep an eye on my food during lunch time. I would sit down on a bench, set down my food and I would look away from it for a short moment and when I turned to grab it in order to eat it, the food would be gone. Sometimes kids would steal my food right in front of me. They'd ask if they could have my food and after I said, "No", they would grab it and run away.

One term I got real used to hearing at school was the term "whiteboy." When I was at the P.E., and kids were being picked for teams by team captains, when I was chosen I would hear the team captain say, "I'll take the whiteboy right there." Sometimes the term would be used with a insult such as, "Whiteboy, you're stooped," or a command such as, "Shutup whiteboy."

One time when I was in the restroom at the urinal I felt my backpack being bumped into. I suspected someone was trying to steal from it and being that I hadn't started urinating yet, I zipped up my zipper and turned around. I saw two guys standing there. I tryed to make a friendly conversation with them by saying,"Hello, how are you doing today." One of them said, "We're Mexicans." I said, "Oh." Then he said, "We're Mexicans and you're white. Mexicans got bigger di!ks than whiteboys." At that point I ran between them out of the restroom. After that when I was walking to a class, on a regular basis these guys would come up behind me and slap the back of my head and try to trip my feet out from under me.

The kids at the school didn't seem to bothered about harming other kids. One time in the locker room someone hurled a long metal rod across the room for no apparent reason. It smacked into the mirror making a big crack in it.

One day when I was standing in the hallway, I heard some girls scream and run away. I looked around and saw a guy drop an M-80 firecracker right next to my foot and then run away down the stairs. I didn't hear the thing blowup. Instead I heard almost complete silence and a noise similar to the sound a phone makes when you haven't diled a number yet except it was more high-pitched. I went to class and told my teacher that I could barely hear anything and she gave me a note to allow me to go to the nurse. The nurse told me that I had a cramp in my ear and that it would go away in about 15 minutes and then my hearing would go back to normal. She was right and boy was I glad.

One thing I learned was not to criticize or return insults to the kids from the neighborhood(I didn't live in that neigborhood, I was bussed there). In their logic you didn't criticize or insult a person unless you could beat that person in a fight. It doesn't matter if the other person insulted you first, if you insult them back, then it becomes justified in their logic to beat you up and there was nothing that gave them a better laugh than a whiteboy getting his butt kicked in a fight. They would say, "Whiteboy got popped."


When I was in high school they had better security at the school(they had cops who guarded the interior and exterior of the school) and I only had two instances where someone tryed to start a fight with me and I didn't have to deal with all that anti-white sentiment. But there were problems coming from outside the school though. In one class I had, there was a hole in one of the windows. I asked my teacher how it got there. She said that one time when she was teaching her class a car drove down the street and a person in the car fired a shot into the classroom. Fortunately none of her students were hurt and she wasn't hurt.

There was an instance where two cars crashed into eachother outside of the school. Both drivers fled the scene. Both cars were stolen cars. If they called a policeman over he would have found out that the cars weren't their's and they would have been put in jail.

My older brother was mugged once when he was waiting outside the school for my mother to pick him up. He was deprived of his watch. My older brother had a friend who was beat up by a group of guys while he was waiting at a bustop outside the school. He got his jaw broken.

One time the track team I was in had a trackmeet at Compton High School. During the meet a loud bang was heard. I found out later that there had been a shooting outside the school.