Chemtrails

[MRC_Hans]

Some people believe in chemtrails. I really think this is one of the MORE weird beliefs around. I have written a small article about it on my fledgeling skeptic website (http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Skeptic)

Hans :p

[Suezoled]

chemtrails?

[MRC_Hans]

Yep. Just try and Google it.

Hans

[Suezoled]

...it's just... my brother told me it was airplanes farting. For a long long time. My world is shattered.

[MRC_Hans]

:dl:
Hans

[Vitnir]

Hm the government is poisoning us, if they had said: "through negligence the government is allowing the airline companies to pollute the atmosphere with greenhouse gases" I would have bought it.

[Ladewig]

Good stuff. The only flaw I could find dealt not with science, but with history. R.M. Nixon was not impeached; he resigned.

[MRC_Hans]

OK, thanks! I will correct it.

Hans

[Psi Baba]

Good article, Hans! I'm looking forward to reading the homeopathy article later today.

[LTC8K6]

A few excellent contrail pics:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/332946/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/289105/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/287638/M/

Nice article, MRC. I am a long time chemtrail debunker.

The dripping that they refer to is actually the ice crystals precipitating out of the contrail.

The rainbow that they claim is an oily chemical residue is just the normal iridescence you get with ice crystals.

The black contrails are just shadows of regular contrails. They can appear to be ahead of the airplane because of the angle to the sun and changes in altitude.

They also claim that when 2 aircraft make an X, they are too close together. This is just an optical illusion. They can't tell how high or how far apart the planes are. The X or asterisk is because there is a navigation beacon in the area.

Here is one of the ICP's famous megasprayer photos. It is just a wing induced contrail combined with the exhaust contrails.

http://carnicom.com/submit1.htm

Below we can see that the "megasprayer" is painted suspiciously like a United 757. That's because it is an ordinary United 757 going about it's regular business of carrying folks to and fro.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/325057/M/


Insane Cloud Posse=ICP=Chemmies=Chemtrail believers

They also talk about "unmarked all white planes". They really mean "overexposed and badly shot photos of normally marked planes".

[MRC_Hans]

Awesome pictures! I think I'll have to steal some of them for my article :p.

Yeah, unmarked planes :rolleyes: .. those planes are at least 7 miles up and often 10 miles away, horizontally, how much CAN you see of plane markings at that distance? Especially as days with good contrail persistence are usually slightly hazy.

Really, I think those people must be very very sick. I also notice that all their message boards are closed to critics: "My mind is made up, so don't confuse me with facts!"

I'm gonna sit down and figure out the logistics of a spraying operation. I'ts bound to yield some rather amazing numbers, heheh.

Hans

[roger]

My old hometown newspaper used to regularly publish letters about chemtrails - they had a few nuts in town promoting it, and about every day there were letters in the newspaper. It was quite a farce. The main proponent even made a video and showed it on the public access channel. Sadly, my mother bought into the whole thing. I've pointed out to her that I've worked on aircraft with jet engines, and I've never, ever, seen any chemtrail apparatus, so she has to conclude either that I am lying to her and part of the coverup, or she is wrong. She was nonplused, yet I think she still believes it. oye. :rolleyes:

A typical claim in the newspaper was along the lines of "i was driving along... looked up, saw an airplane, suddenly a chemtrail started to form, and instantly I felt a bad itching in my throat....took me a trip to the hospital and 3 days to recover..."

A rational person would write in about dispersal rates and how there is no way they could feel the effect of any chemical sprayed at 30,000 ft just seconds after it was released, and the typical response was along the lines of "I know what I experienced...blah, blah, blah".

There are not enough rolly eye smilies in the world to properly express my feelings on this subject.

[LTC8K6]

Roger, they also regularly claim that the trails they see are very low. They make the claim without any evidence, other than anecdotes or photographs and videos which don't/can't show the altitude.

They refuse to use a program like Flight Explorer, which can tell you in real time what airplane is over your head and what altitude, etc.

Since the trails they see are too low to be contrails, they must be something else, right? :D

Here is a thread on the debunking forum where I hang out. It has lists of photographs and some other info that I have found over time that can be useful. The remarks in quotes are what the chemmies would probably say about the plane.

http://com1.runboard.com/b13thcentury.fthenewdebunkatorium.t4

This is a contrail X over SFO in 1958, demonstrating how long the chemtrail op has been going on. :)

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/094277/M/

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
They also claim that when 2 aircraft make an X, they are too close together. This is just an optical illusion. They can't tell how high or how far apart the planes are. The X or asterisk is because there is a navigation beacon in the area.I've always wondered how two jet aircraft came to be flying over Athelstaneford (http://www.scran.ac.uk/St.Andrew/trust.htm) in 832 AD! Now you tell me there must have been a navigation beacon there too? What more proof of technologically advanced ancestors or maybe time travel do you folks need? :c1:

Rolfe.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Hans said:
I'm gonna sit down and figure out the logistics of a spraying operation.
Don't forget to calculate how many people would have to know about it, but keep their mouths shut.

LTC, don't forget the famous contrail photos from World War II.

I didn't know about Flight Explorer.

~~ Paul

[c0rbin]

I have never met anyone so paranoid as to believe they were being poisoned by the government via chem trails.

As if there weren't a million cheaper, more efficient ways to poison a population.

If ever I do meet someone like this, I am going to feed their paranoia for sport with even wilder claims.

"It's not just the planes, you know the government poisons corn as well. Yeah. Why do you think you can only really get the yellow kind in food stores? The native Americans know this. That's why they have all of those non-yellow corns. They have been fighting the government ever since the westward expansion pushed them and their big-foot cousins out of the Dakotas."

:rolleyes:

[Ladewig]

A rational person would write in about dispersal rates and how there is no way they could feel the effect of any chemical sprayed at 30,000 ft just seconds after it was released, and the typical response was along the lines of "I know what I experienced...blah, blah, blah".

Did these people mention hearing a sonic boom? The particles would be traveling faster than the speed of sound. Rocket-propelled sneeze droplets fired from planes, yeah, that's the ticket.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by c0rbin
"It's not just the planes, you know the government poisons corn as well. Yeah. Why do you think you can only really get the yellow kind in food stores? The native Americans know this. That's why they have all of those non-yellow corns. They have been fighting the government ever since the westward expansion pushed them and their big-foot cousins out of the Dakotas."
:re:

[LTC8K6]

The movie Strategic Air Command should convince anybody that they're just contrails! :D

[Timble]

Surprised no-one has posted a link to Chemtrail Central.

There's some interesting views on the phenomenom.

Let it speak for itself:

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, I have saved the link. Although I doubt I will bother to enter. I already see the normal behaviour whenever critics come along.

Anyway, I see nothing interesting on the site. Timble, what is it you find interesting there? All I see is the usual nonsense. The best is the "mysterious dark line". Shadow of a contrail against a lower hazy layer :rolleyes:.

Hans

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

One chemmie swore to me that she saw one of those black beams shoot out from the front of a plane. "You saw black light," I asked? Well, maybe it was deep purple. "You saw light 'shoot out' at some speed you could discern," I asked? It went down Nowhere Hill from there.

Same folks who can judge the height and size of an unknown object, I guess.

~~ Paul

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

The woman I referred to in my previous post has taken exception to that post, accusing me of both libel and slander. I told her that I would publicly apologize for any errors in the post, even though she is not mentioned by name. I am having some difficulty determining exactly what errors I made.

I could post her reaction, but it would require heavy use of asterisks. Please stand by while I try to determine my mistakes and correct them.

~~ Paul

[Timble]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans


Anyway, I see nothing interesting on the site. Timble, what is it you find interesting there? :rolleyes: .

Hans

I just put it in for the benefit of completists who wanted links to the currently active sites.

Sorry, I forget to put :rolleyes: after interesting.

Though it is intriguing why some people think that pollution and the weather is some sort of conspiracy.

I'm surprised some of its more vociferous members haven't popped up here.

[Michael Redman]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
The woman I referred to in my previous post has taken exception to that post, accusing me of both libel and slander. Both, eh? That's a neat trick.

How does she know that you posted it?

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

She must lurk on this forum.

She won't give me a concise list of the mistakes that I made in my statement, so I'll just apologize in general for any mistakes, even though I don't know what they are.

I've also been accused of spamming people with email, but no one will tell me who I've spammed. So I apologize to them, too. I'll have to see a doctor about this missing time problem.

Edited to add: I wonder if I'll see the above paragraph quoted out of context as evidence that I admitted to spamming people with email?

~~ Paul

[LTC8K6]

If they are using a tracker, it will tell them where you came from when you click on a link to their site. They will know the link was from this board, for example.

[tracer]

Oh my God! http://cloud-busters.com/ has put up a sponsored link on Google that appears in its own little green box whenever you do a Google search on "chemtrails".

One of these days, I have got to finish writing that Reich Cloudbuster debunking article (http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/Reich/cloudbusters.html) of mine.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Update: The email spamming turns out to be the reincarnation of a problem that happened 11 months ago. There is an email message in limbo, which the other person's ISP keeps sending me over and over. Long ago, my ISP installed a filter to reject the message, so it would not clog up my in box. That was the last I heard of it until now. Suddenly, the other person is getting the rejection messages from that filter. I'm not sure why that hasn't been happening constantly for many months.

It was pretty obvious what was going on if someone had bothered to read all the header items in the messages.

~~ Paul

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Timble


I just put it in for the benefit of completists who wanted links to the currently active sites.

Sorry, I forget to put :rolleyes: after interesting.

Though it is intriguing why some people think that pollution and the weather is some sort of conspiracy.

I'm surprised some of its more vociferous members haven't popped up here. Youp, I sure would like some of them do that. Then again, it wouldn't be pretty to watch, heheheh.

Hans

Edited to add: I am registering on their forum. Now. let's see...

[geni]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Youp, I sure would like some of them do that. Then again, it wouldn't be pretty to watch, heheheh.

Hans

Edited to add: I am registering on their forum. Now. let's see...

Has being banned from forums become an addiction then?:)

[MRC_Hans]

Well, actually, it's a new experience to me. After many years on different forums, often with heated discussions, I've just this last couple of months been banned from two forums for simply having an opinion. Interesting it is.

I don't expect it to become an addiction, though, but thanks for reminding me; I'd better register at least one sockpuppet there, just in case.... ;)

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

The chemtrail community assumes that some systematic clandestine operation is going on, spraying large areas of the USA (and other countries) with some kind of chemicals.

I thought it would be interesting to figure out the logistics of such an operation (I will later make this available as a spreadsheet):

Let us assume that an area of 2000 by 3000 km is to be covered (this roughly corresponds to the size of the United States). (1 mile ~ 1.5 km) Let us further assume that spraying is done in parallel strokes 3 km apart. On average, one spraying per week is performed (some areas more, some less), and a plane is in the air 20 hours a day, leaving 4 hours for refueling, reloading and maintanance. Two crews of 3 take turns flying the plane, spending 10 hours a day flying. For each plane, there is a ground crew of 7, including maintenance personnel, supply personnel, traffic control and planning, supply purchasing and logistics, and management. Now we can start to calulate:

The grid flown, adding 20% overhead for flying to and from the operational area, relocation of planes, etc. amounts to:

124,800,000 kilometers flown per annum.

Assuming a cruise speed of 900km/h, this requires:

138.667 flying hours.

Each plane flies 20 hours a day, so allowing for holidays, downtime due to weather and major maintenance, we assume 200 active days per year. So the operation requires a fleet of:

35 planes.

And the manpower:

451 persons.

Fuel consumption:

1.664.000 tons.

Rather a big operation :eek:. I wonder how they keep it secret?

Hans

[Vitnir]

I have to confess that I'm too lazy to spend a lot of time finding this out but what are the supposed reasons for all the governments of the world to spray it's populations with chemicals. And then I don't mean carbon dioxide and water which obviously are found in large quantities in the exhaust of any combustion engine.

Spraying testosterone inhibitors would probably be a good idea on countries where genocides takes place though if it could be done.

[LTC8K6]

Hans, you forgot the material to make the chemtrails, and the logistics for supplying it, and the amount your average plane could carry, etc., etc.

Just how much material do you need to make a lot of very long persistent trails in the sky?

Hint.....it's an awful lot. :D

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Hans, don't forget about the manufacturers of the spray equipment and the chemicals, the truck drivers, the equipment installers, the chemical loaders, maintenance personal, air traffic controllers, and all the government folks who manage the program.

~~ Paul

[MRC_Hans]

LTC and Paul: Certainly! And the entire command structure, but those are speculative as long as we don't know wtf they are supposed to be spraying, or why. The logistics on flying the needed mileage, OTOH, is solid fact (and I have included a, very conservative, estimate of the ground crew).

Fact is, the operation needed is larger than many airlines.

Hans :p

[MRC_Hans]

Also, if the operation is supposed to cause any effects (and why else conduct it?), like climate and health changes, like these people seem to claim, think of all the doctors and meteorologists worldwide, who will have to be included in the conspiracy to keep them from publishing awkward data. Not to mention civilian and military air traffic controllers.

Hans

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

And all the 911 operators who have to ignore calls from chemtrail spotters, so as not to populate the call logs with evidence.

Those poor 911 operators also have to ignore all the calls from the families and neighbors of the millions of alien abductees, too. Whew, what a job!

~~ Paul

[kookbreaker]

Chemtrails always put me in mind of the Seattle windshield pitting hysteria. (http://www.washington.historylink.org/output.cfm?file_id=5136&CFID=2188064&CFTOKEN=47991355)

Just a case of "suddenly" noticing something that was there all along.

[sweetkb713]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this whole JREF forum thing.

Regarding chemtrails: try telling "believers" about this, and they'll come up with anything they can to tell you that you're wrong and they're right. I'm a skeptic, but because I don't flat-out believe everything I'm told, I've been labeled a "skeptoid" by a certain group of believers. And a troll... but that's another story.

I see these "chemtrails" all the time. There are dozens of them in the sky at once. If there was actually something to this, then there would have to be thousands of pilots involved in this conspiracy. I drive about 50 miles every day, so that's really a small area. According to believers, these "chemtrails" appear in this kind of abundance all over the country, in big cities, small cities, everywhere!

Then, like Paul said, SO MANY people would have to be involved! SOMEONE would let it slip! Or at least, someone would say, "gee, isn't it interesting that we have all this equipment on the plane? I wonder what it's used for?"

Unless we're assuming that this equipment is already built into every plane, but not every plane uses it. That way they could avoid suspicion. But what about the mechanics? People don't just walk around with their heads in the clouds.

[roger]

People who would know about chemtrails, if there were any:

* civilian pilots
* civilian mechanics
* military pilots
* military mechanics
* retrofitters (for example, me)
* flight sim people
* pilot training schools
* people who generate training material for the pilots
* people who generate training material for the maintance crew
* people who generate training material for the chemical producing people
* QA for training material for the pilots
* QA for training material for the maintance crew
* QA for training material for the chemical producing people
* anyone with access to a CAD drawing of an airplane (a heck of a lot of people)
* producers of the chemtrail spraying equipment
* shippers of the chemtrail spraying equipment
* FAA inspectors
* truck drivers (somebody has to deliver the material to the airport)
* airline accountants (somebody is keeping track of the bottom line)
* receiving departments at airport (somebody has to take delivery)
* maintenance personnal - gotta fill those chem tanks
* anyone with an interest in flight who has stuck their head in a cockpit (once you learn a cockpit layout, you can pick out things that don't belong there pretty quickly)
* congress (somebody has to pay for this)
* a bunch of government employees that are making the payments, reviewing accounts, inspecting operations, reviewing reports
* scientists who are researching new ways of doing this spraying
* the printers who are printing - training material, CAD drawings, aircraft manuals, NATOPS manuals, FAA manuals, scientific reports
* aircraft designers
* QA for aircraft designs
* people who write test plans
* QA for test plans
* test pilots
* employees that report on spraying results
* air quality testers - you have to see how well you are doing
* QA for air quality testers
* printers for the air quality testers results

I'm sure I missed some segments of the industry, but this is a good start at the amount of infrastructure that has needed access to this kind of information. And note that I left out most of the infrastructure for whatever agency is commanding this in the first place. This is necessarily a global agency, since these trails are seen throughout the wolrd.

Ya, this sounds more plausable than condensation.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Hello, Kate! Everyone, meet my friend Kate. Treat her nicely.

~~ Paul

[Ladewig]

Just to play devil's advocate here. We are talking about a country where treatment was deliberately withheld from civilians to document the progress of a disease (Tuskeegee), civilian terminal leukema patients were unknowingly exposed to lethal doses of radiation to study the effects of radiation poisoning (1945-1970), New Yorkers were exposed to a relatively harmless bacteria in subways in subways to chart the dispersion patterns of biological attacks (1966). Such a government (or more spercifically some agency within such a government) might consider experimenting with dispersion rates of specific bacteria. So, at one level, the idea is not as kooky as it sounds.

Of course, such an experiment would never be carried out by spraying long clouds of material out of the back of jetliners flying at tens of thousands of feet (for the many reasons cited in previous posts).


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I don't expect it to become an addiction, though, but thanks for reminding me; I'd better register at least one sockpuppet there, just in case....

You disappointed me Hans. I was looking forward to a response along the lines of: "I am not addicted - I get banned from forums on a social basis only. I can quit getting banned anytime I want to; I just don't want to."

[Ladewig]

People who would know about chemtrails, if there were any:

* civilian pilots
* civilian mechanics
* military pilots
* military mechanics
* retrofitters (for example, me)
* flight sim people
* pilot training schools
* people who generate training material for the pilots
* people who generate training material for the maintance crew
* people who generate training material for the chemical producing people
* QA for training material for the pilots
* QA for training material for the maintance crew
* QA for training material for the chemical producing people
* anyone with access to a CAD drawing of an airplane (a heck of a lot of people)
* producers of the chemtrail spraying equipment
* shippers of the chemtrail spraying equipment
* FAA inspectors
* truck drivers (somebody has to deliver the material to the airport)
* airline accountants (somebody is keeping track of the bottom line)
* receiving departments at airport (somebody has to take delivery)
* maintenance personnal - gotta fill those chem tanks
* anyone with an interest in flight who has stuck their head in a cockpit (once you learn a cockpit layout, you can pick out things that don't belong there pretty quickly)
* congress (somebody has to pay for this)
* a bunch of government employees that are making the payments, reviewing accounts, inspecting operations, reviewing reports
* scientists who are researching new ways of doing this spraying
* the printers who are printing - training material, CAD drawings, aircraft manuals, NATOPS manuals, FAA manuals, scientific reports
* aircraft designers
* QA for aircraft designs
* people who write test plans
* QA for test plans
* test pilots
* employees that report on spraying results
* air quality testers - you have to see how well you are doing
* QA for air quality testers
* printers for the air quality testers results



Yes all these people are involved, but have you considered the reason that we don't notice them all is that they are UN employees who, while working in the US, do not speak English so they cannot faternize with the civilian population? Of course, if that is the case you have to add all the contractors necessary to build secret airports, but given the size of the UN's black budget, that should not be a problem.

* employees that report on spraying results
Actually, it would be easier for the secret agency to just read the monthly CDC reports about hospital admissions.

[MRC_Hans]

An interesting point: For some reason, Denmark is not on the list of countries where spraying is supposed to occur. Yet, I have seen repetitions of every single formation they post pictures of, and some even more weird, right above me, in Danish skies. And for about five decades, too.

Sorry, Ladewig, I realize now I'm in denial. Banneholics Anonymous made me realize this ;).

Hans

[sweetkb713]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
Hello, Kate! Everyone, meet my friend Kate. Treat her nicely.

~~ Paul

Thanks Paul! Paul has helped open my eyes to the finer points of being a skeptic ...

[sweetkb713]

Originally posted by Ladewig
Just to play devil's advocate here. We are talking about a country where treatment was deliberately withheld from civilians to document the progress of a disease (Tuskeegee), civilian terminal leukema patients were unknowingly exposed to lethal doses of radiation to study the effects of radiation poisoning (1945-1970), New Yorkers were exposed to a relatively harmless bacteria in subways in subways to chart the dispersion patterns of biological attacks (1966). Such a government (or more spercifically some agency within such a government) might consider experimenting with dispersion rates of specific bacteria. So, at one level, the idea is not as kooky as it sounds.


Yes, but we know about those, don't we? There is documented proof for those instances. Where is the documented proof for chemtrails?

[MRC_Hans]

Lets get this clear: Something that could well be termed "chemtrails" exist.

- Cropdusters make chemtrails.

- Fire-fighters make chemtrails (often, the water is chemically treated for better effect).

- Various experiments have been conducted in the past, sometimes without telling the public in advance, where high-flying planes have sprayed stuff over some area, usually for the purpose of tracking pollution and wind-systems and their interaction.

- Various weather-control experiments, like cloud-seeding etc.

Some of these things have been perfectly legitimate, others perhaps debatable, but those things are not what I want to challenge.

The modern heavy air-traffic constitutes a treat to our environment as a heavy source of several kinds of emissions, I do not challenge this.

What I DO challenge is the idea that a continent-wide, or possibly global, secret project is ongoing, regularly spraying large areas with some unknown chemicals for some unknown reason.

Hans

[Ladewig]

Yes, but we know about those, don't we? There is documented proof for those instances. Where is the documented proof for chemtrails?

The documented proof in those examples came out years or decades after the "experiments." The proof was not in the form of individual cases of sickness or death, the proof was in the form of leaked documents. The lack of documented proof of chemtrails at this time does not lessen the possibility of the motivation for this type of experimenting. But I agree with all that has been said: the physics, biology, and logistics behind these claims does eliminate the possibility of using chemtrails for this purpose.

My point was not that chemtrail experimenting was possible, but merely that the ideas behind chemtrail spraying was not as kooky as one might first think. I am not taking this position as a government conspiracist. I am just pointing out that both sides should be considered.

[apoger]

I am just pointing out that both sides should be considered.

Of course both sides should be considered.

However as the "chemtrail" side has only conjecture and no evidence, the consideration won't be very impressive.

For more serious consideration, the advocates of the chemtrail conspiracy will need to present credible evidence.

[roger]

Originally posted by Ladewig

Yes all these people are involved, but have you considered the reason that we don't notice them all is that they are UN employees who, while working in the US, do not speak English so they cannot faternize with the civilian population? Given that I am one of those people (work on airplanes, not employee of UN), and I evidently speak English, no I didn't consider it :D

[Zamzara]

Two of the funnier arguments I have heard from 'chemtrailers':

1. Chemtrails cannot be ordinary exhaust contrails, because they can be seen coming from tanks under the wings of the plane instead of from the back.

Er, those 'tanks' under the wings are called 'engines'.

2. Chemtrails are used to form artificial clouds, because whenever I see a chemtrail, the sky starts to fill with cirrus clouds.

No sh*t sherlock. Seeing as 'chemtrails' ARE a kind of cirrus cloud, isn't pretty obvious they would both form under the same conditions?

:bs:

[Beerina]

I walked by a guy at work who was talking about chemtrails to another guy. These people actually exist.

I also worked with a computer programmer who completely bought into the moon landing hoax stuff, especially the no-stars-in-the-photos "problem".


My (future) wife said to him, "You are a smart man. Why do you believe this stuff?"

[pupdog]

I work with someone who produces chemtrails. You can't see the kind she produces, but bygollybydam, you sure can tell that she has passed by in the last hour. Can't breathe in the same building!

[MRC_Hans]

Ah, yes. What you probably mean is perfume, but there is another kind of personal chemtrails, too. You know, fartwalking; you need to break wind, and not to be too conspiquous, you do it while walking briskly across a large room, like office landscape or production hall. Dilutes the effect and most importantly, makes it difficult to guess the source ;). Nasty thing is when somebody stops you and wants to talk..........


Hans

[MRC_Hans]

I have been banned on one chemtrail page (surprise, surprise :rolleyes: ), but I am thinking of registering a sockpuppet there and go troll them a bit: I'll tell them I'm a chemtrail pilot and give them a lot of fancy stories. Yank their chains a bit. Would that be cruel?

Hans :D

[Ladewig]

I'll tell them I'm a chemtrail pilot and give them a lot of fancy stories. Yank their chains a bit. Would that be cruel?


I cannot condone such behavior (which should probably include a description of how you started telling people about the chemtrails and then the government came and injected you with a drug and now you have all the symptoms of Gulf War Syndrom.) Nope, that type of posting is not condonable.

[sackett]

It is wrong, just wrong, to twit foolish people. Their skulls are almost always so numb they can't feel their legs being pulled.

[gnome]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
I have been banned on one chemtrail page (surprise, surprise :rolleyes: ), but I am thinking of registering a sockpuppet there and go troll them a bit: I'll tell them I'm a chemtrail pilot and give them a lot of fancy stories. Yank their chains a bit. Would that be cruel?

Hans :D

It would be counter-productive. They'd just wave your posts as evidence that their ideas are correct, and if you stepped forward to claim credit for faking the posts, they'll say you're lying and weren't the one that posted them.

Hmmm... you could embed some kind of code in the statement, "bible-code" style... your name, for example, or "I AM FULL OF BALONEY"

As for my own thoughts...

Here in florida, around 1997 I think it was, the government actually DID spray annoying chemicals on us from airplanes. There was some kind of trouble with fruit flies destroying crops, so they took a bunch of DC-9's and sprayed malathion all over the place. The reason I know this is true is because: I saw the planes, I saw the residue on cars and such. I heard about it on the mainstream local news.

What I didn't see was "chemtrails" coming from the planes. They looked like they were just flying over.

[MRC_Hans]

Discussing with chemies is counterproductive. I consider them beyond salvation, but there might still be fence sitters to save ;).


Hans