More On Islamic Attacks.

[Outcast]

Kosovo Albanians Organized Unrest, AFP Says, Citing NATO Chief (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a34snye8hvFw&refer=europe)
This is a follow up to a story from last week.

``What happened last week, orchestrated and organized by extremist factions in the Albanian community, is unacceptable,'' de Hoop Scheffer said, as cited by AFP, during a visit yesterday to Kosovo's capital, Pristina. The ``responsible leadership of the Albanian community'' should condemn the violence against ethnic Serbs, the NATO secretary general said.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Outcast
Kosovo Albanians Organized Unrest, AFP Says, Citing NATO Chief (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a34snye8hvFw&refer=europe)
This is a follow up to a story from last week.


and the point you wish to make is???

[Outcast]

Originally posted by The Fool

and the point you wish to make is??? Current Events, dealing with Muslims. Just more of the on going problems in dealing with Muslims

[Loon]

Originally posted by Outcast
Current Events, dealing with Muslims. Just more of the on going problems in dealing with Muslims

It may be that many of the most acute problems the world is facing are due to people who are Muslims. This certainly is proof that some people who are Muslims have committed atrocities (which qualify as an acute problem, right?)

It is in no way indicative of all Muslims.

A good point to take from this article is that there is evil being done in places that do not appear in the news everyday.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Outcast
Kosovo Albanians Organized Unrest, AFP Says, Citing NATO Chief (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a34snye8hvFw&refer=europe)
This is a follow up to a story from last week.



You seem to ignore the recent atrocities perpetrated by Xian Serbs, who murdered many thousands of Muslim and committed violent acts of ethnic cleansing. According to some stories in the press, the recent violence was a result of continued serb violence, including an incidend where young Muslims were killed by Serbs.

Serbia has been an ongoing tragedy for many hundreds of years. Don't expect a peaceful end to it soon.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Outcast
Current Events, dealing with Muslims. Just more of the on going problems in dealing with Muslims
cool... But I thought it was commies that caused all the trouble in the world...did I miss the change over?

[geni]

Originally posted by The Fool

cool... But I thought it was commies that caused all the trouble in the world...did I miss the change over?

Nah they still are

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3558101.stm

[The Fool]

Originally posted by geni


Nah they still are

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3558101.stm
good...I'd hate to have to memorise a whole new set of slogans.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by The Fool

cool... But I thought it was commies that caused all the trouble in the world...did I miss the change over?

I think you did. Islam is even more frightening than communism. All the commie leaders had was brute force. Muslim leaders have brute force (in number of adherents if little else), & god too.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by Loon


It may be that many of the most acute problems the world is facing are due to people who are Muslims. This certainly is proof that some people who are Muslims have committed atrocities (which qualify as an acute problem, right?)

It is in no way indicative of all Muslims.

A good point to take from this article is that there is evil being done in places that do not appear in the news everyday. The problem is two powerful and aggressive religions, each with the divine truth, cannot coexist. Islam and Christianity have been at war for 1300 years and it continues to this day. Christianity has gone through a Renaissance. We have put our Crusaders and Conquistadors in the museums where they belong. Islam has not gone though a Renaissance. They are essentially unchanged from the desert warriors of 700 AD.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by hammegk


I think you did. Islam is even more frightening than communism. All the commie leaders had was brute force. Muslim leaders have brute force (in number of adherents if little else), & god too.
well, I seem to remember Communists winning a few notable wars.. ww2, vietnam...lets call Korea a draw. Can't think of too many wars won by Islamic nations, unless its two islamic nations fighting....can you help me out? Which particular Islamic nation are you frightened of? Or is it not a particular nation but all the sneaky ones that live in the west?

I suppose there was Iraq?...that was close, could have gone either way.

[geni]

Originally posted by The Fool

well, I seem to remember Communists winning a few notable wars.. ww2, vietnam...lets call Korea a draw. Can't think of too many wars won by Islamic nations, unless its two islamic nations fighting....can you help me out? Which particular Islamic nation are you frightened of? Or is it not a particular nation but all the sneaky ones that live in the west?

I suppose there was Iraq?...that was close, could have gone either way.

Briefly Chechnia

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Outcast
The problem is two powerful and aggressive religions, each with the divine truth, cannot coexist. Islam and Christianity have been at war for 1300 years and it continues to this day. Christianity has gone through a Renaissance. We have put our Crusaders and Conquistadors in the museums where they belong. Islam has not gone though a Renaissance. They are essentially unchanged from the desert warriors of 700 AD.
All of them? Just like desert warriors of 700BC? My neighbour Ahmed doesn't hunt with a bow from the back of a Camel...He drives a Ford to work....Hmmmm, maybe he is only a desert warrior when I'm not looking.

[Ed]

Originally posted by The Fool

cool... But I thought it was commies that caused all the trouble in the world...did I miss the change over?

No, you did not. The Commies work a 4 day week, contractually. The Moslems take over for two. The remaining day is rotated between other union member groups. Each group is responsible for equitable representation of their various sub-groups/specialties. For example, the Moslems have a "General Mayhem" group, a suicide group, and a swarthyness group. Underage murdering swine are only permitted to be active between the hours of 9am-5pm, local time.

I hope that this helps.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by The Fool

... Can't think of too many wars won by Islamic nations, unless its two islamic nations fighting....can you help me out? Which particular Islamic nation are you frightened of? Or is it not a particular nation but all the sneaky ones that live in the west?

I suppose there was Iraq?...that was close, could have gone either way.

Nice diversion. Are you suggesting that one determined man with a suitcase nuke, weaponized antrax, or "just" a dirty bomb is not equal to many divisions of troops in what war once entailed? The fanaticism of current leaders of Islam is more dangerous than any nation imo.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Ed


No, you did not. The Commies work a 4 day week, contractually. The Moslems take over for two. The remaining day is rotated between other union member groups. Each group is responsible for equitable representation of their various sub-groups/specialties. For example, the Moslems have a "General Mayhem" group, a suicide group, and a swarthyness group. Underage murdering swine are only permitted to be active between the hours of 9am-5pm, local time.

I hope that this helps.
It does ed...but as an Australian I'm concerned we are being left out...can we be regarded as the main threat to world peace on the first thursday of every month?

[Ed]

Originally posted by The Fool

It does ed...but as an Australian I'm concerned we are being left out...can we be regarded as the main threat to world peace on the first thursday of every month?

Sure, and you are going to terrorize me how? Drink a Fosters and Pee on my shoe? Shoot a 'Roo with a semi auto? No my lad, you have some growing up to do

Whatever happened to that peeing on the shoe thread, it had real possibilities.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by hammegk


Nice diversion. Are you suggesting that one determined man with a suitcase nuke, weaponized antrax, or "just" a dirty bomb is not equal to many divisions of troops in what war once entailed? The fanaticism of current leaders of Islam is more dangerous than any nation imo.

Diversion? Perish the thought.

So far the Christians are ahead two nil in the using nuclear weapons competition.

So which fanatical muslim leaders are you afraid of? Do fanatical Christian or Jewish leaders scare you too?

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Ed


Sure, and you are going to terrorize me how? Drink a Fosters and Pee on my shoe? Shoot a 'Roo with a semi auto? No my lad, you have some growing up to do

Whatever happened to that peeing on the shoe thread, it had real possibilities.
I was thinking of using the Hammegk method...One determined man with a dirty magazine in a briefcase...or something like that... Apparently I will be as good as many divisions...

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by hammegk


Nice diversion. Are you suggesting that one determined man with a suitcase nuke, weaponized antrax, or "just" a dirty bomb is not equal to many divisions of troops in what war once entailed? The fanaticism of current leaders of Islam is more dangerous than any nation imo.

Yes, and it's not a problem that should be taken lightly. Paris has just been annihlated by a suitcase nuke, London has been shut down as the entire east side is in the grip of an anthrax plague, and geiger counters are redlining in Berlin. We're lucky that the world is being protected by the bastions of civilisation, the US, whose goverment has never killed a single innocent person in its entire life.

[hammegk]

Ya'all must have enjoyed On The Beach. Perhaps under your scenario you Aussies will remain unscathed.

Do you plan on visiting any Indonesian nightclubs with your new Islamic friends? And are you sure dirty magazines will still be ok? If the zealots catch you with one, will they cut off a hand, or an even more private appendage? Have you stocked up on veils for the women? Got enough prayer rugs for everybody?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by hammegk
Ya'all must have enjoyed On The Beach. Perhaps under your scenario you Aussies will remain unscathed.

Do you plan on visiting any Indonesian nightclubs with your new Islamic friends? And are you sure dirty magazines will still be ok? If the zealots catch you with one, will they cut off a hand, or an even more private appendage? Have you stocked up on veils for the women? Got enough prayer rugs for everybody?

I think someone's losing it.

[hammegk]

Comprehension is not one of your strong points is it?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by hammegk
Comprehension is not one of your strong points is it?

Thealienshavecontrolofthegovernmentandnoonebelieve smebecauseTHEYJUSTDON'TUNDERSTAND

[hammegk]

Still double-humping your female camels?

Who has the most fun? You, AUP, or Fool?

[Outcast]

Originally posted by The Fool

All of them? Just like desert warriors of 700BC? My neighbour Ahmed doesn't hunt with a bow from the back of a Camel...He drives a Ford to work....Hmmmm, maybe he is only a desert warrior when I'm not looking. Camel or Ford, it doesn't matter. Teachings are the same. Attitudes the same. Loyalties the same. Goals the same.
Can't think of too many wars won by Islamic nations I'll save you the effort of thinking. Arabian Peninsula, North Africa, Middle East, Asia Minor, Central Asia, Southern Europe, Malta, the Balkans, Eastern Europe. East Indies

[Tony]

Hey Outcast, don't waste your time on the two idiot austrailians, they are both muslim apologists with different tactics:

A Unique Person: When facts about muslims are brought up, instead of dealing with them, he draws moral equivalence with christianity. He also might be a muslim judging by his hatred for jews and his propensity for credulousness.


The Fool: ALWAYS assumes you are talking about all muslims, men women and children, then proceeds to attack that. Also called a strawman. He also might be a muslim and he considers islam a race.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by Tony
Hey Outcast, don't waste your time on the two idiot austrailians, they are both muslim apologists with different tactics:

A Unique Person: When facts about muslims are brought up, instead of dealing with them, he draws moral equivalence with christianity. He also might be a muslim judging by his hatred for jews and his propensity for credulousness.


The Fool: ALWAYS assumes you are talking about all muslims, men women and children, then proceeds to attack that. Also called a strawman. He also might be a muslim and he considers islam a race. Got it! So where is the 3rd stooge? I was on another website and referred to a certain group of individuals as "raghead." I was called a racist. I ask what race "ragheads" were and I am still waiting for an answer.

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by Outcast
Got it! So where is the 3rd stooge? I was on another website and referred to a certain group of individuals as "raghead." I was called a racist. I ask what race "ragheads" were and I am still waiting for an answer.

Rag-head, towel-head, sand-nigger…use pejoratives like these and I’ll join the Fool in condemning your bigotry.

Islam certainly has its problems, and when those problems include fundamentalist theology that justifies murder to pursue political/religious goals, then their problems become the problems of the rest of the world too.

But never forget that even though these fundamentalists draw so much attention to themselves by committing such spectacular atrocities, they still represent only a small fraction of Islam as a whole. The solution is not to condemn all of Islam, but to encourage those practitioners of Islam who are peaceful to condemn and eclipse those who are not.

You can’t accomplish that by condemning all Islamists and calling them rag-heads.

[Ed]

Originally posted by Mycroft


Rag-head, towel-head, sand-nigger…use pejoratives like these and I’ll join the Fool in condemning your bigotry.

You can’t accomplish that by condemning all Islamists and calling them rag-heads.

Goodness you are raising the bar.:D

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by Ed
Goodness you are raising the bar.:D

Somebody has to. ;)

[hammegk]

I guess desert-dwelling afro-mideastern nomad is ok?

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Mycroft


Rag-head, towel-head, sand-nigger…use pejoratives like these and I’ll join the Fool in condemning your bigotry.

Islam certainly has its problems, and when those problems include fundamentalist theology that justifies murder to pursue political/religious goals, then their problems become the problems of the rest of the world too.

But never forget that even though these fundamentalists draw so much attention to themselves by committing such spectacular atrocities, they still represent only a small fraction of Islam as a whole. The solution is not to condemn all of Islam, but to encourage those practitioners of Islam who are peaceful to condemn and eclipse those who are not.

You can’t accomplish that by condemning all Islamists and calling them rag-heads.

Thanks for bringing reason back to this thread.

On the thread´s original topic - the way it appeared in the news over here, the unrest started because Serbs (Christians, as someone else already remarked) torched several mosques, among other things, killed 20-30 muslims, and wounded several hundred more.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by Mycroft


Rag-head, towel-head, sand-nigger…use pejoratives like these and I’ll join the Fool in condemning your bigotry.

Islam certainly has its problems, and when those problems include fundamentalist theology that justifies murder to pursue political/religious goals, then their problems become the problems of the rest of the world too.

But never forget that even though these fundamentalists draw so much attention to themselves by committing such spectacular atrocities, they still represent only a small fraction of Islam as a whole. The solution is not to condemn all of Islam, but to encourage those practitioners of Islam who are peaceful to condemn and eclipse those who are not.

You can’t accomplish that by condemning all Islamists and calling them rag-heads. Go ahead and call me a bigot if you wish, because I am obstinately and intolerantly devoted to my own opinions and prejudices toward Muslims. I don't believe the fundamentalists that are committing the atrocities are that far from the mainstream. Three thousand Americans die and the Muslim population is dancing in the streets for joy on American graves so to speak. Two hundred Spanish die and not a word condemning the so called radical fundamentalists. I stand by what I said earlier. The problem is two powerful and aggressive religions, each with the divine truth, cannot coexist. Islam and Christianity have been at war for 1300 years and it continues to this day. Christianity has gone through a Renaissance. We have put our Crusaders and Conquistadors in the museums where they belong. Islam has not gone though a Renaissance. They are essentially unchanged from the desert warriors of 700 AD.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by Chaos


Thanks for bringing reason back to this thread.

On the thread́s original topic - the way it appeared in the news over here, the unrest started because Serbs (Christians, as someone else already remarked) torched several mosques, among other things, killed 20-30 muslims, and wounded several hundred more. I believe this to be the correct version of what actually started the riots. 'He started to run, but the Serbs set dogs on my son' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/21/wkos21.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/21/ixworld.html) (16 Mar 04) That spark came on Tuesday, in Cabra. This dilapidated village of 1,400 Albanians lies on Kosovo's ethnic faultline, which divides the mostly Serb north of the province from the mostly Albanian south. The shells of the clapped-out cars that litter its unpaved roads are only a couple of hundred yards from the front doorsteps of the neighbouring Serb village, Zupce. Between them runs the River Ibar, a frontier that means more than any official border crossing in Kosovo.

On Tuesday, Egzon Deliu (with 3 friends) decided to cross that frontier to spend the afternoon playing on the other side of the line.

"He said that four of them were playing on the other side of the river, when a crowd from the Serb village started shouting insults at them," says his father. "They started to run, but the Serbs set dogs on them and they could not get to the bridge. So they jumped in the river."

According to Fitim, the Ibar, narrow, fast-flowing and bitterly cold, quickly swept away Egzon and another boy, 11-year-old Avni Veseli. Fitim tried to carry his younger brother, Florent, on his back.

"Three times Florent fell off, and on the third time Fitim couldn't rescue him."

Within minutes, hundreds of villagers from Cabra were scouring the river banks, and by midnight they had recovered the body of Egzon Deliu.

On the streets of Cabra, there is no talk of a peaceful solution. "The Serbs don't have human blood," says Minire Deliu, Egzon's cousin. "But they will get what they deserve for this miserable thing they have done."

That process of retribution began almost immediately. Though there has been no independent confirmation of Fitim's story, none was needed. For ethnic Albanians, only Serbs would unleash dogs to chase children to their deaths. "Using dogs was inhuman," says Argim Hassani, Cabra's mayor. At some point the "extremist factions in the Albanian community" got involved and made a bad situation worse. Though I am pro Serb, I would quickly condemn their actions with the dogs, if this story is true. I do have some questions about the boys story, but questions can never be answered now.

[The Fool]

Hi there outcast...meet Tony, you two should get along fine.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Tony

The Fool: ALWAYS assumes you are talking about all muslims, men women and children, then proceeds to attack that. Also called a strawman. He also might be a muslim and he considers islam a race.
Lol..... As one of the few posters on this board that has had a post deleted for extreme racist content I hardly think you are in a position to comment....Anyway, happy days it looks like you've got a new playmate.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Mycroft


Rag-head, towel-head, sand-nigger…use pejoratives like these and I’ll join the Fool in condemning your bigotry.

Islam certainly has its problems, and when those problems include fundamentalist theology that justifies murder to pursue political/religious goals, then their problems become the problems of the rest of the world too.

But never forget that even though these fundamentalists draw so much attention to themselves by committing such spectacular atrocities, they still represent only a small fraction of Islam as a whole. The solution is not to condemn all of Islam, but to encourage those practitioners of Islam who are peaceful to condemn and eclipse those who are not.

You can’t accomplish that by condemning all Islamists and calling them rag-heads.

:clap:

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Tony
Hey Outcast, don't waste your time on the two idiot austrailians, they are both muslim apologists with different tactics:

A Unique Person: When facts about muslims are brought up, instead of dealing with them, he draws moral equivalence with christianity. He also might be a muslim judging by his hatred for jews and his propensity for credulousness.


The Fool: ALWAYS assumes you are talking about all muslims, men women and children, then proceeds to attack that. Also called a strawman. He also might be a muslim and he considers islam a race.

I don't have any great love for the Islamic faith, certainly no more than the other religions around the world. I just don't understand why it is singled out for it's absurdities. Blind criticism of it, while ignoring the 'faith based' crusades of the US is sheer hypocrisy.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I don't have any great love for the Islamic faith, certainly no more than the other religions around the world. I just don't understand why it is singled out for it's absurdities. Blind criticism of it, while ignoring the 'faith based' crusades of the US is sheer hypocrisy. Christians didn't kill 3,000 America on 9-11 to name just one example. What faith base crusades of the US are you talking about?

[Tony]

Originally posted by The Fool

As one of the few posters on this board that has had a post deleted for extreme racist content


You got me mixed up with someone else, that never happened to me.