State Director of Atheists in Nebraska Accepts Christ

[Riddick]

Michael Fiedler was no ordinary atheist. As Nebraska state director for American Atheists, he agressively fought against organized religion. But then he attended Lonnie Melashenko's satellite evangelism series, "The Voice of Prophecy Speaks."

As a youngster, Michael believed God wanted him to be an evangelist or missionary, and after high school graduation, he began attending a Bible college. But in his fourth year of studies, his parents divorced and he experienced burnout at school. He began to doubt all his foundations, including his faith in God.

He made a 180-degree turn and declared he was an atheist. "I wanted to free people from what I thought was the 'prison' of religion," he says, "so I became the state director for American Atheists."

Then Laura Birth came into his life. They worked together and found themselves drawn to each other. "We both knew a relationship could never work," says Michael, "because we were at opposite ends of the belief spectrum. But we decided to spend some time together and see what happened."

Michael admits his strategy was to "convert" Laura from Christianity to no belief at all. With that in mind, he agreed to attend the NET 2003 series by Pastor Melashenko. "As I listened to the truths of God's Word, and with Laura praying for me," he says, "my hard heart began to soften. One night I could no longer deny God. I gave Him my life."

He resigned his position with American Atheists. He also lost his job over Sabbath work issues. But the very next day, he had a new job with his former employer.

Michael and Laura are now married. He's not sure what comes next in his life, but declares, "I am seeking to be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ and fit into whatever plan He has for my life." - Adventist Review, March 25, 2004
AdventistReview.org (http://www.adventistreview.org)

[TheMashiah]

What a sad tale...:coal: Looks like santa has one less house to visit.

[Riddick]

Well, Santa does visit on Christ+mas, so I imagine he's still on the list.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, Santa does visit on Christ+mas, so I imagine he's still on the list.

Yes Riddick, which happens to be a PAGAN HOLIDAY ya nut!

ps: is this another attempt of yours to make atheists feel bad about being themselves?

[BroodingSkill]

What Suezoled said. All I can say about the article is, what's your point?

[Silicon]

That PROVES it!

God MUST EXIST!


(You weren't pointing a gun at him at the moment he decided to declare his love of Jesus, were you Riddick?)



You know we don't all follow the dictates of our State Directors, don't you?

We all follow only the instructions of our Master, His Unholyness, Our Unlord Satan.

Feidler will be devoured by Our Master in due time... in due time.

[scribble]

Hey, that's cool. God is an Atheist, too.

[Zep]

With a little luck, I'm willing to bet that that guy could be made to believe in little green Martians and heaven being in the next passing comet's tail. He's like you, Riddick. He's so in need of head-shrinking that he will find any star and follow it if he thought it would help him feel better, even atheism. I would not trust him to be sincere about any of his "-isms" that he believes - he seems to be able to change them so readily.

Btw, go read Winston Wu's autobiography. He went through the same path as this guy, and look how HE turned out! :)

[c4ts]

Looks like one of those many hardcore Muslim/Buddhist/Catholic/Mormon/Witch/Freemason/D&D Players that suddenly and inexplicably become born agains in Christian fiction such as Chick tracts. I am skeptical of exaggeration, especially since we are dealing with such a biased source of information.

[Brown]

If I were a cynical b**tard, I'd say that this story goes to show that some guys will do anything to get laid.

[Yahweh]

From Reuters Search (Reuters.com):
Sorry no results were found for nebraska atheist.

There exists no information in Google News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=nebraska+atheist&sa=N&tab=wn) relating to Riddick's article.

There exists no information on Atheists.org (http://www.google.com/custom?q=nebraska&sa=Google+Search&cof=LW%3A120%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.atheists.org%2 Fpix%2Fslogo.gif%3BLH%3A120%3BBGC%3Awhite%3BAH%3Al eft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.atheists.org%2F%3BAWFID %3Ac521f073ddec5420%3B&domains=atheists.org%3Bamericanatheist.org&sitesearch=atheists.org) relating to Riddick's article.

There exists no information anywhere to be found on AdventistReview.org (http://www.adventistreview.org) relating to Riddick's article...

[Wrath of the Swarm]

I only found one reference to "'Michael Fiedler' atheist" on the web, and it was in a petition at www.atheists.org.

Strange, is it not?

[scribble]

But it is true that a man with that name is a member of AA:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:39Ze-8Hhl98J:www.atheists.org/cgi-bin/petition2+%22Michael+Fiedler%22+Atheist&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

That's the only mention of tht name with "atheist" that google turns up.

Edit: Wrath, you beat me to it... but I get bonus points for providing a link.

[RandFan]

Isn't the Seventh-day Adventist Church a Cult?

[Silicon]

Maybe he switched back after he got into that girl's pants.

I know I went to more than a few church meetings with the girl I was dating in high school.

Amazing that one of Satan's servants like me could do that without bursting into flames, I know. It just goes to show you who has superior powers. I know christians can't come into my Atheists for Satan meetings without bursting into flames.



(Upon reflection, the Kingsford Charcoal Fluid might have something to do with it.)

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
I only found one reference to "'Michael Fiedler' atheist" on the web, and it was in a petition at www.atheists.org.

Strange, is it not?

Who knows what really happened? There's not enough evidence for anything. Just a name.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
I only found one reference to "'Michael Fiedler' atheist" on the web, and it was in a petition at www.atheists.org.

Strange, is it not?
Not strange at all, "Michael Fiedler" is fictional. Where Riddick's article came from, the authors very intentionally lied, and it wasnt even a very good lie.

The actual American Atheists State Director for Nebraska is Ron Larsen (http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/piety.html) (see final footnote at bottom of the link).

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Not strange at all, "Michael Fiedler" is fictional. Where Riddick's article came from, the authors very intentionally lied, and it wasnt even a very good lie.

The actual American Atheists State Director for Nebraska is Ron Larsen (http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/piety.html) (see final footnote at bottom of the link).

Saved for posterity.

Good job Yahweh.

[Suezoled]

The dishonest article in question


Originally posted by Riddick

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Michael Fiedler was no ordinary atheist. As Nebraska state director for American Atheists, he agressively fought against organized religion. But then he attended Lonnie Melashenko's satellite evangelism series, "The Voice of Prophecy Speaks."

As a youngster, Michael believed God wanted him to be an evangelist or missionary, and after high school graduation, he began attending a Bible college. But in his fourth year of studies, his parents divorced and he experienced burnout at school. He began to doubt all his foundations, including his faith in God.

He made a 180-degree turn and declared he was an atheist. "I wanted to free people from what I thought was the 'prison' of religion," he says, "so I became the state director for American Atheists."

Then Laura Birth came into his life. They worked together and found themselves drawn to each other. "We both knew a relationship could never work," says Michael, "because we were at opposite ends of the belief spectrum. But we decided to spend some time together and see what happened."

Michael admits his strategy was to "convert" Laura from Christianity to no belief at all. With that in mind, he agreed to attend the NET 2003 series by Pastor Melashenko. "As I listened to the truths of God's Word, and with Laura praying for me," he says, "my hard heart began to soften. One night I could no longer deny God. I gave Him my life."

He resigned his position with American Atheists. He also lost his job over Sabbath work issues. But the very next day, he had a new job with his former employer.

Michael and Laura are now married. He's not sure what comes next in his life, but declares, "I am seeking to be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ and fit into whatever plan He has for my life." - Adventist Review, March 25, 2004

AdventistReview.org (http://www.adventistreview.org)

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Yahweh
From Reuters Search (Reuters.com):
There exists no information in Google News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=nebraska+atheist&sa=N&tab=wn) relating to Riddick's article.

There exists no information on Atheists.org (http://www.google.com/custom?q=nebraska&sa=Google+Search&cof=LW%3A120%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.atheists.org%2 Fpix%2Fslogo.gif%3BLH%3A120%3BBGC%3Awhite%3BAH%3Al eft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.atheists.org%2F%3BAWFID %3Ac521f073ddec5420%3B&domains=atheists.org%3Bamericanatheist.org&sitesearch=atheists.org) relating to Riddick's article.

There exists no information anywhere to be found on AdventistReview.org (http://www.adventistreview.org) relating to Riddick's article...
If you want, I can send you a copy of the magazine, Adventist Review.

Also, note that the first return in Google for "Michael+Fiedler+Atheist" returns the following link:We support Michael Newdow... (http://www.atheists.org/cgi-bin/petition2)

Note also that you must account for those who previously held the office of State Director of Atheists in Nebraska. You see, there may have been more than one State Director....you need to know who the past/present Directors were.

Yahweh, have you had a sitdown with your parents yet, explaining that you are an A-t-h-e-i-s-t? I mean, did you really drive the point home with them yet?

[tamiO]

What a nice story. It probably won't hurt him to be a Christian. :)

I had heard that the need to evangelize about spirituality is a sign of mental illness. Some people disagree and believe it is a sign of God. Have you ever heard about this?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Riddick

Yahweh, have you had a sitdown with your parents yet, explaining that you are an A-t-h-e-i-s-t? I mean, did you really drive the point home with them yet?

That's none of your business, Riddick. Are you harassing Yaweh for his beliefs?

[Silicon]

Also on that list are these fine, upstanding people:


PFUNK1.COM, usa

Lover of Jesus Christ , USA

Anonymous Due to Anti-Atheist Attacks Against Me, USA

You Will Burn If You Don't Repent, USA

Thank you for proving IDIOTS do exist in our nation, USA


It proves nothing.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

If you want, I can send you a copy of the magazine, Adventist Review.

Also, note that the first return in Google for "Michael+Fiedler+Atheist" returns the following link:We support Michael Newdow... (http://www.atheists.org/cgi-bin/petition2)

Note also that you must account for those who previously held the office of State Director of Atheists in Nebraska. You see, there may have been more than one State Director....you need to know who the past/present Directors were.

Yahweh, have you had a sitdown with your parents yet, explaining that you are an A-t-h-e-i-s-t? I mean, did you really drive the point home with them yet?

Oh yes, the "once a State Director/ President/ 36th place skier in the world contest (which changes on whether it was national or world)," always a "State Director/President/36th place liar about the contest type" person. No? Not your point? Still, it was misleading. You have that habit.

What Yahwah -my internet son- does is none of your business, though it was a nice attempt of yours to divert... oh screw it. It was a poor pathetic attempt to change the target. Geez... talk about atheist like it's a dirty thing... what a fundy thing to say.

But I did look at that petition, and I thought the entry of: You Will Burn If You Don't Repent, USA (which is near the bottom of the list of sigs) was great. Funny. Very funny.

Anyway, I'm still wondering: why are you posting this Riddick?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
If you want, I can send you a copy of the magazine, Adventist Review.
If you can scan the article, or find the relevant link, I'd like to see it.

Also, note that the first return in Google for "Michael+Fiedler+Atheist" returns the following link:We support Michael Newdow... (http://www.atheists.org/cgi-bin/petition2)
I noticed that, I wouldnt imagine the name is too terribly rare.

Note also that you must account for those who previously held the office of State Director of Atheists in Nebraska. You see, there may have been more than one State Director....you need to know who the past/present Directors were.
I'll take care of that by emailing American Atheists, then I'll get back to you.

Yahweh, have you had a sitdown with your parents yet, explaining that you are an A-t-h-e-i-s-t? I mean, did you really drive the point home with them yet?
My parents already know I'm an atheist, there isnt much religious talk in my house. Why do you ask?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by c4ts
That's none of your business, Riddick. Are you harassing Yaweh for his beliefs?
Just wondering if Yahweh has shared the joy of her insights with her parents.

[Suezoled]

*hugs Yahweh* that's a good evil atheist son!

[Silicon]

If Fidler's still signing petitions, isn't it obvious that he's still an atheist?

I mean, assuming this is your proof he exists, doesn't that proof PROVE your story is a lie?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Just wondering if Yahweh has shared the joy of her insights with her parents.

You really want to be a girl don't you? You have vagina envy. Geez. I should have seen it earlier. There are hormone treatments and surgeries to help you along Riddick. It's a long, hard process, but if you really have searched youserlf and you want to be a woman... well, I guess I can't do anything but support your long term goals.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Silicon
If Fidler's still signing petitions, isn't it obvious that he's still an atheist?

I mean, assuming this is your proof he exists, doesn't that proof PROVE your story is a lie?

Could be another Fiedler though Silicon. *giggles*

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Riddick

Just wondering if Yahweh has shared the joy of her insights with her parents.

Insulting people isn't going to help your credibility on this forum.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
Oh yes, the "once a State Director/ President/ 36th place skier in the world contest (which changes on whether it was national or world)," always a "State Director/President/36th place liar about the contest type" person. No? Not your point? Still, it was misleading. You have that habit.

What Yahwah -my internet son- does is none of your business, though it was a nice attempt of yours to divert... oh screw it. It was a poor pathetic attempt to change the target. Geez... talk about atheist like it's a dirty thing... what a fundy thing to say.

But I did look at that petition, and I thought the entry of: You Will Burn If You Don't Repent, USA (which is near the bottom of the list of sigs) was great. Funny. Very funny.

Anyway, I'm still wondering: why are you posting this Riddick?
Hey, at least I came clean. I didn't know the IWSF posted that stuff. But sure enough, I found the link. I know how important the internet is to you types, so I owned up to it in the very next post.

What should be noted is that you continue to pester me about it. Typical chick. What more do you want girl? I admit I'm wrong and still you don't want to let it go. By the way, it should be noted that I skied that score in a Record Capability tournament, where the boat is videotaped along its path.

So I'm on your unofficial "truth probation". Fine, I'm a purist. Go ahead and keep needling me about it. I prefer to own up to my actual position in the standing.

btw, I included myself in the Open ranking list because the Open skiers have this bad habit of coming down to the Men II division just so they can sweep 1st place away from us. They actually come down a division to make themselves look good. It would be like Tiger Woods playing in the state amateur golf tournament. Or Michael Jordan playing on a high-school team. So I thought I would score myself in their division.

[varwoche]

Originally posted by RandFan
Isn't the Seventh-day Adventist Church a Cult?
Aren't most churches cults?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
You really want to be a girl don't you? You have vagina envy. Geez. I should have seen it earlier. There are hormone treatments and surgeries to help you along Riddick. It's a long, hard process, but if you really have searched youserlf and you want to be a woman... well, I guess I can't do anything but support your long term goals.
Dang, here's when a girl goes bad.

Truth is, I've got to big of a dick to be a girl. It would be like amputating my third leg.

Suzoled is officially running amuck.

But then, New Yorkers have been pretty good at running since the towers came down.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, at least I came clean. I didn't know the IWSF posted that stuff. But sure enough, I found the link. I know how important the internet is to you types, so I owned up to it in the very next post.

What should be noted is that you continue to pester me about it. Typical chick. What more do you want girl? I admit I'm wrong and still you don't want to let it go. By the way, it should be noted that I skied that score in a Record Capability tournament, where the boat is videotaped along its path.

So I'm on your unofficial "truth probation". Fine, I'm a purist. Go ahead and keep needling me about it. I prefer to own up to my actual position in the standing.

btw, I included myself in the Open ranking list because the Open skiers have this bad habit of coming down to the Men II division just so they can sweep 1st place away from us. They actually come down a division to make themselves look good. It would be like Tiger Woods playing in the state amateur golf tournament. Or Michael Jordan playing on a high-school team. So I thought I would score myself in their division.

So in other words you get caught in a lie and no one should call you on it.

You're too much, Riddick.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Dang, here's when a girl goes bad.

Truth is, I've got to big of a dick to be a girl. It would be like amputating my third leg.

Suzoled is officially running amuck.

But then, New Yorkers have been pretty good at running since the towers came down.

A few things Riddick:
You had an obvious typo. I'm sure you meant to type "I'm too big a dick to be a girl." But that's okay. We know what you meant.

You have no notion of what "Suezoled running amok is like" officially or otherwise.

And New York didn't run, much as you would like to say so.

[neutrino_cannon]

According to this (http://www.lifesmith.com/comnames.html), Michael is the fourth most common name in America, so it's entirely possible that the name is a coicidence.

It's also possible that the name was taken from the list.


Truth is, I've got to big of a dick to be a girl. It would be like amputating my third leg.

There's more difference than that. Aside from obvious secondary sexual characteristics that tag them as mammals (and what mammals they are!), girls have less prominent Adam's apples, proportionally small hands and legs, higher levels of body fat, stored in *completely* different places, slightly differently shaped faces (though I could never pin down exactly what the difference is), flared illial crests, somewhat differently constructed brains, are typically shorter, and have more gracile joints.

Prognosis: You'd make a very poor girl. And not just because you're an enourmous dick.

All in all, I find this to be a very good example of how easy it can be to do a basic background check on a claim with the magic of google.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
A few things Riddick:
You had an obvious typo. I'm sure you meant to type "I'm too big a dick to be a girl." But that's okay. We know what you meant.

You have no notion of what "Suezoled running amok is like" officially or otherwise.

And New York didn't run, much as you would like to say so.
Is Suezoled an example of what Atheists hope to be like?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
According to this (http://www.lifesmith.com/comnames.html), Michael is the fourth most common name in America, so it's entirely possible that the name is a coicidence.

It's also possible that the name was taken from the list.

There's more difference than that. Aside from obvious secondary sexual characteristics that tag them as mammals (and what mammals they are!), girls have less prominent Adam's apples, proportionally small hands and legs, higher levels of body fat, stored in *completely* different places, slightly differently shaped faces (though I could never pin down exactly what the difference is), flared illial crests, somewhat differently constructed brains, are typically shorter, and have more gracile joints.

Prognosis: You'd make a very poor girl. And not just because you're an enourmous dick.

All in all, I find this to be a very good example of how easy it can be to do a basic background check on a claim with the magic of google.
Laugh, and you think Christians got problems. Here is exhibit B. Suzoled being exhibit A.

You guys are resorting to name calling? I mean come on people. Is this what happens when your skepticism leaves you high and dry?

We know Google is the one perfect system in this world. Any takers?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, at least I came clean. I didn't know the IWSF posted that stuff. But sure enough, I found the link. I know how important the internet is to you types, so I owned up to it in the very next post.

What should be noted is that you continue to pester me about it. Typical chick. What more do you want girl? I admit I'm wrong and still you don't want to let it go. By the way, it should be noted that I skied that score in a Record Capability tournament, where the boat is videotaped along its path.

So I'm on your unofficial "truth probation". Fine, I'm a purist. Go ahead and keep needling me about it. I prefer to own up to my actual position in the standing.

(snipped)

You came clean but through no motivation of your own. You had to have your nose shoved back into your own lies. So you admitted it. You still use the same standard, it seems, to try to deceive people. You still play your little fundy games. Nothing's changed because you don't change. Simple, no?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Laugh, and you think Christians got problems. Here is exhibit B. Suzoled being exhibit A.

You guys are resorting to name calling? I mean come on people. Is this what happens when your skepticism leaves you high and dry?

We know Google is the one perfect system in this world. Any takers?

YAAAAWWWWNNNNNN.

Act like an adult and you shall be treated like one, child. Play games and you shall be played.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
So in other words you get caught in a lie and no one should call you on it.

You're too much, Riddick.
My point is it's already been called out.

So if repeating it makes you feel stronger, go right ahead.

Nyarlathotep you suck. Just go right on ahead being your prepubescent self.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

My point is it's already been called out.

So if repeating it makes you feel stronger, go right ahead.

Nyarlathotep you suck. Just go right on ahead being your prepubescent self.

Who's name calling now, you hypocrite?

[c4ts]

Once Riddick starts cursing again I'll notify the mods. Way to emulate Jesus, man.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
YAAAAWWWWNNNNNN.

Act like an adult and you shall be treated like one, child. Play games and you shall be played.
What game are you inferring I'm playing?

Calling me a child...oh really? I'm 42 freaking years old. You're derailing the thread, I suggest you hop back on the subject line or look for another thread.

You're poor, even for an Atheist, or whatever you are. See, I can play that game too. Isn't it fun?!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by c4ts
Once Riddick starts cursing again I'll notify the mods. Way to emulate Jesus, man.
Shut up, punk.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
Who's name calling now, you hypocrite?
I was merely employing your tactics.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Riddick

I'm 42 freaking years old.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

What game are you inferring I'm playing?

Calling me a child...oh really? I'm 42 freaking years old. You're derailing the thread, I suggest you hop back on the subject line or look for another thread.

You're poor, even for an Atheist, or whatever you are. See, I can play that game too. Isn't it fun?!

Child, you keep playing that game, you're going to get played.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Riddick

I'm 42 freaking years old.

Really?!?! I would have thought somewhere in the neighborhood of 13-17, what with the name calling and the penis size comments.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
I'm 42 freaking years old.
You're not very good at acting like it.

[c4ts]

Perhaps by the time he is 84 he will be mature enough to post on these boards.

[Zep]

Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
Child, you keep playing that game, you're going to get played.
Persist in calling me child, and I will call you "old lady".

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Yahweh
You're not very good at acting like it.
Right, kid.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Riddick

Persist in calling me child, and I will call you "old lady".
Why don't you just threaten to shoot her? That'll learn her...

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Riddick

Persist in calling me child, and I will call you "old lady".

Because all 42 year old men consider their age insulting...

[Riddick]

Originally posted by WildCat
Why don't you just threaten to shoot her? That'll learn her...
No, then the mods will give me a warning and suspend me for a week. And oh, I'd really miss posting here so much.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Persist in calling me child, and I will call you "old lady".

Run along child. I don't care how old you are, you are not mature, and that is the reason for your status of being a "child."

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Riddick

No, then the mods will give me a warning and suspend me for a week.

I'm amazed he's able to learn that much at his age.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
Run along child. I don't care how old you are, you are not mature, and that is the reason for your status of being a "child."
Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

I'll always be a kid at heart. Whereas you will always be very, very old. I promise I will never act as old as you are right now.

[Zep]

Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 7:1-5, 12

Seems Riddick can ignore his own religious commandments as much as he cares. Either that or he doesn't really hold to them at all, and just likes to parrot them without thinking or question. This would tend to fit with his parroting the original story that proved to be false.

Oh well. He's fast approaching winning Number 4 spot on my Ignore list.

[c4ts]

Whatever happened to tolerance and compassion? Isn't that what he's supposed to be getting out of religion?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

I'll always be a kid at heart. Whereas you will always be very, very old. I promise I will never act as old as you are right now.

You, child, have proven my point nicely.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.



This is a Christian attitude?

[c4ts]

I remember when they found a tape of Osama Bin Laden saying the same thing.

[MLynn]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.
Riddick, I find your posts interesting, but at the moment:

1. I don't appreciate the above comment as I lost 295 colleagues at the WTC, and there were many heroes that day.
2. If you are a christian (I am, BTW), you need to heed James 1:19, 20 as in quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger, or people just aren't going to take you seriously.
3. As I cannot tell if the story of Mr. Fiedler is legit I cannot comment on it.

I like your tenacity, but you need to chill out, dude...

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Zep
Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 7:1-5, 12

Seems Riddick can ignore his own religious commandments as much as he cares. Either that or he doesn't really hold to them at all, and just likes to parrot them without thinking or question. This would tend to fit with his parroting the original story that proved to be false.

Oh well. He's fast approaching winning Number 4 spot on my Ignore list.
You're poking at me, all the while ignoring how your peers have acted? Maybe you should consider your peers behavior. Seems like turnabout is fair play.

yahweh's gathering evidence for credibility on the story right now. Give her a couple days.

To state "proved to be false" seems somewhat premature. "If it's not on Google DEAR GOD (!) who can we trust!?"

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
Right, kid.
Likewise.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
You, child, have proven my point nicely.
You win.

[c4ts]

So how old are you anyway?

[the_ignored]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

I'll always be a kid at heart. Whereas you will always be very, very old. I promise I will never act as old as you are right now. I know, I know, by replying to this, I'll only be playing into his hands by helping to derail the thread from the topic that he seems to have utterly messed up on...Generally, when somone messes up, you fess up, and then leave the thread alone, and go to another thread where you can talk about the other stuff.


But, still...

Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

Riddick, are you saying that if you were there, you would NOT have run?

Duh, what else are you supposed to do when 2 buildings collapse right next to you?!


And you're making fun of them for that?

If you think this, try going to New York and standing at the site, and just repeat what you said in your last post.

I guarantee you'll get your rear end, what's left of it, handed to you on a platter.
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Back to the topic...if they can't find it, and not just on google, but apparently even from the source you claimed, what are they supposed to do, just blindly take your for your word?

Good grief, it was a mistake, and your're getting mad at them for pointing it out??

And you say that they're acting badly?

Baloney. You're the one who started to insult and entire city, and make snide remarks about atheists in general.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Riddick

You're poking at me, all the while ignoring how your peers have acted? Maybe you should consider your peers behavior. Seems like turnabout is fair play.

yahweh's gathering evidence for credibility on the story right now. Give her a couple days.

To state "proved to be false" seems somewhat premature. "If it's not on Google DEAR GOD (!) who can we trust!?" I'm poking you because you need poking and they don't. I don't care what the others are up to, and wailing "But mom, they did too!" is no defense of your own bad manners and completely unedifying behaviour. And I'm somewhat older than you as well, if you think that matters.

Give the crap-calls a break, OK, Riddick? You don't do yourself justice, and it just gets others offside.

Is this sort of atrocious behaviour going to continue to be your usual modus operandi here? If so, be prepared to join the exclusive club of "People everyone puts on Ignore because they are just total jerks". You will be in notable company if that's what you want.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

My point is it's already been called out.

So if repeating it makes you feel stronger, go right ahead.

Nyarlathotep you suck. Just go right on ahead being your prepubescent self.

However it colors any future things you may say. If you have been caught in one lie like that, why should we trust anything else you say?

And is "you suck" the best you can do? Come on, if you are going to try to insult me, at least come up with something original.:s2:

[Riddick]

Originally posted by the_ignored
I know, I know, by replying to this, I'll only be playing into his hands by helping to derail the thread from the topic that he seems to have utterly messed up on...Generally, when somone messes up, you fess up, and then leave the thread alone, and go to another thread where you can talk about the other stuff.

But, still...

Riddick, are you saying that if you were there, you would NOT have run?

Duh, what else are you supposed to do when 2 buildings collapse right next to you?!

I saw a lot of them in the clear, but ran they did. Quite a site.

And you're making fun of them for that?

Yes.

If you think this, try going to New York and standing at the site, and just repeat what you said in your last post.

I guarantee you'll get your rear end, what's left of it, handed to you on a platter.

Yea, they're back to talking pretty tough now. Pansies.
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Back to the topic...if they can't find it, and not just on google, but apparently even from the source you claimed, what are they supposed to do, just blindly take your for your word?

The source I claimed hasn't been posted on the inet yet. When it gets posted, I'll provide a link here for you.

Good grief, it was a mistake, and your're getting mad at them for pointing it out??

And you say that they're acting badly?

Baloney. You're the one who started to insult and entire city, and make snide remarks about atheists in general.
Your blaming me for a problem seems weak.

I think most likely suzoled began the problem.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
However it colors any future things you may say. If you have been caught in one lie like that, why should we trust anything else you say?

And is "you suck" the best you can do? Come on, if you are going to try to insult me, at least come up with something original.:s2:
Your snoozing makes you look really cool. ;)

You're really a cool guy Nyarlathotep. I hope I can be as cool as you one day.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Your snoozing makes you look really cool. ;)

You're really a cool guy Nyarlathotep. I hope I can be as cool as you one day.

Nope, still nothing. Your insults still aren't working. Like I said before, for your 'barbs' could upset me, I'd have to develop some respect for you first. Since I don't respect you in any way, shape, or form, then I am pretty much immune.

[Kopji]

SDA's have a mixed review on 'Christian' or not. Seems an odd place for an atheist to end up, but love is anything but rational.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s18.html

CRI is a pretty fundamentalist group, if they don't believe SDA is a cult, there are probably only a few groups who think they are.

A simple scanned image of the first paragraph of the article would go a long way to helping any casual readers believe the story.




Better [is] a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices [with] strife. Proverbs 17:1

[Some Friggin Guy]

I'm not even going to get into the main subject of this thread, since the fact that it was posted in the first place is ridiculously pointless.

I will point out that Riddick has provided evidence that he has the maturity level of a teenager who thinks Mathew Lillard is the height of wit. He has been caught in lies about his personal life (which, apparently he has come clean on, but I missed that.) He has a propensity for slinging names and insults at people, all the while claiming he is simply using their tactics back at them. He claims to be a christian while not adhering to some of the most basic of christian principles.

I am not a psychologist, but I did minor in the science. It is my considered opinion that we are dealing with a male in the age range of 13-15 who is from a typical suburban family, but feels outcast for some reason (perhaps because he has the ability to fit in so well with normal society) and thus feels the need to get negative attention by acting like a petulant child. There are two solutions to dealing with him:

1. Slap him silly. Continue to do so until he learns. I don't recommend this because I do not advocate violence. Also, being an internet message board, that's not really possible, anyway.

2. Ignore him, which I plan on doing from now on.

[scribble]

So? Was he the state director or not? The suspense is killing me.

[scribble]

Just for the record, my search of internet resources has shown that Ron Larsen is the NE AA director and has been since at least the beginning of 1997. I haven't found any records on line from before that time.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Scribble, could you link me on your info. For some reason, I can't even find a Nebraska chapter of AA.

[scribble]

I'll just post my detective work here. I couldn't find an online chapter either, but there is ...

this (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22american+atheists%22+%22state+director %22+nebraska) google search, which should be enough to get you started. I *beleive* that one search will give you references referring to Ron as the NE director from 1997 on through 2003. (although I did a few different searches; nothing too creative. Try a few, if you can't find all I did, let me know)

Bah - can't get the link to work right. Try google groups, and search on '"American Atheists" "state director" nebraska'


Eidted to add:

I guess if you consider that in light of this


With that in mind, he agreed to attend the NET 2003 series by Pastor Melashenko. "As I listened to the truths of God's Word, and with Laura praying for me," he says, "my hard heart began to soften. One night I could no longer deny God. I gave Him my life."


You realize how stupid the article is. If he ever *was* NE director of AA, which is doubtful, he sure hadn't been for at least nearly a decade when he made his conversion. I wonder why, if he ever was director, he stepped down and/or was fired - and so loooong before his miraculous conversion?

The whole thing is OK, though. I think we're all used to fundies who don't have a clue what it means to be sceptical of an article and maybe take a couple steps to verify it's true meaning before posting a Thread Of Gloat. (as though one idiot's decision has anything to do with the rest of the universe. Argument from authority? Some authority. :rolleyes: )

[Some Friggin Guy]

From what I have been able to gather, there was no official chapter of AA in Nebraska prior to 97. I will try to confirm this tomorrow, and Yahweh, clever lad that he is, will probably beat me to that punch.

[scribble]

Well, he did claim to be emailing them - a step I'd have otherwise taken myself. I don't want to inundate them with sudden requests for references on a (probably non-existant) person.

But I *am* looking forward to hearing what comes back.

If what you suggest is true, not only will it be nonsense, it'll be made up nonsense. Which could have interesting repercussions for the publisher of that article, but probably not. (...sigh...)

[Some Friggin Guy]

Well, the evidence I have is, admittedly, circumstantial.

What I have been able to find is that Ron seems to be the only spokesman for the Nebraska chapter, and he didn't identify the chapter until 1997. He did post messages from Nebraska prior to that date, but the chapter was not identified, nor did he identify himself as the state director.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Silicon
If Fidler's still signing petitions, isn't it obvious that he's still an atheist?

I mean, assuming this is your proof he exists, doesn't that proof PROVE your story is a lie?

Just for the record - assuming it's the same guy, and a real person and not some made-up name, the petition went up July 2, 2002, well before his supposed 2003 conversion.

[ceo_esq]

For what it's worth, I conducted a search on NEXIS (which has the world's largest subscriber-only database of local, national, and international newspapers; broadcast transcripts from major television and radio networks; wire services; magazines; and trade journals) for Michael Fiedler. A few local newspaper articles mentioned Nebraskans by that name, but I could not find any sources tending to confirm the identity of the supposed ex-atheist. I came across a report of a Nebraska marriage license issued to a Michael Fiedler, but the wife's name was not Laura Birth. Number of relevant hits: zero.

On another matter, in my opinion Riddick puts up with a disproportionate share of gratuitous abuse. The parties responsible would never acknowledge it, so I won't bother naming names even as a constructive criticism; I hope you know who you are. Suffice it to say that the inadvertent effect of this is to Riddick appear polite and reasonable in comparison to several of his most persistent critics.

[scribble]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
On another matter, in my opinion Riddick puts up with a disproportionate share of gratuitous abuse. The parties responsible would never acknowledge it, so I won't bother naming names even as a constructive criticism; I hope you know who you are. Suffice it to say that the inadvertent effect of this is to Riddick appear polite and reasonable in comparison to several of his most persistent critics.

I'll say this as politely as I know how:

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you need a refresher, I'll point you:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

There, where you will see only the remaining evidence of a post so horrible by Riddick that it had to be deleted by a moderator.

That is all.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by scribble
I'll say this as politely as I know how:

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you need a refresher, I'll point you:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

There, where you will see only the remaining evidence of a post so horrible by Riddick that it had to be deleted by a moderator.

That is all. No need to remind me of the depths to which Riddick's forum demeanor is capable of sinking. I know. In fact, that may explain why I find it vaguely aggravating that in a certain number of other exchanges, including in this thread, he should come across as no less aggressively insulting than people with much higher standards of discourse.

That's just my opinion, of course - although I suspect that you could, in fact, think of more polite ways to indicate your disagreement than telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I think I've come to learn a few things about dealing courteously with my interlocutors in the forum - and one of them is that courtesy involves according people more respect than you are inclined to do. As Hamlet admonished, "Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping? Use them after your own honour and dignity: the less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty." I would merely urge the reader to do likewise unto Riddick.

[scribble]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
As Hamlet admonished, "Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping? Use them after your own honour and dignity: the less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty." I would merely urge the reader to do likewise unto Riddick.

I'm off to bed momentarily, so someone can correct and attribute this quote (or I can do it myself later if there's a pressing need):

"To laugh at a fool serves not to degrade him, but to remind him he is already degraded."

I'd put it more like I did in my "The only winning move" thread, though, which is to laugh at a fool is really to mean, "you're not thinking up to your full potential."


I know. In fact, that may explain why I find it vaguely aggravating that in a certain number of other exchanges, including in this thread, he should come across as no less aggressively insulting than people with much higher standards of discourse.


Emphasis mine. In your original admonishment, I didn't see that restriction. I can't see where anyone who is anti-Riddick has sunk to his depths, and I read your original post to suggest that they have done so and worse. If in fact what you mean is, solely in the contextof this thread and a select few others, they come off as worse people, then I agree completely. I just didn't understand what you actually meant until you clarified it.

[MoeFaux]

Stunning. I'm sure the story is completely twisted, though.

Boy, Adventists are ignorant do*cheb*gs. What's great is their whole religion is founded by their "prophet" Ellen White, who plagerized all her writings from the Mormans. Their whole religion is fraud based on fraud. They don't like to talk about it much, but it sure is funny to point it out to them.

How do I know? I used to be one.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Riddick

Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

I'll always be a kid at heart. Whereas you will always be very, very old. I promise I will never act as old as you are right now. This post has been reported.

It does not, however, break any forum rules. For anyone who finds Riddick's remarks over the top, I recomend ignoring him. Riddick, I recomend that you consider your words more carefully before posting.

[Marc]

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Stunning. I'm sure the story is completely twisted, though.

Boy, Adventists are ignorant do*cheb*gs. What's great is their whole religion is founded by their "prophet" Ellen White, who plagerized all her writings from the Mormans. Their whole religion is fraud based on fraud. They don't like to talk about it much, but it sure is funny to point it out to them.

How do I know? I used to be one.

oohh.. this sounds like an interesting story. :)


I recall Shermer had also turn Born Again at one point in his life. Not surprisingly it was because of a woman. Reminds me of the cult that used to try drawing in new members by having the young girls flirt with guys to bring them in. Called it "flirty fishing".

[Darat]

Originally posted by Riddick

Just wondering if Yahweh has shared the joy of her insights with her parents.

You consider it an insult then to call someone a woman? Wow I didn't know people like you still existed.

[Some Friggin Guy]

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, since Yahweh was using a female avatar for a while.

[whitefork]

Golly.

There used to be giants in the art of atheist bashing around here.

Does anyone remember the thread where Jedi Knight suggested that atheists in a van waiting to be gassed to death would cry out to god to save them as the taps were being turned on? That pretty much set the standard by which other attempts should be judged.

Riddick has a way to go before he's even a contender. I suggest a nice long apprenticeship to get the tone right - you need that combination of blind sincerity and sneering self-importance, coupled with the complete inability to indulge in any sort of self-criticism. Keep trying, though. There's potential there.

[Darat]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, since Yahweh was using a female avatar for a while.

Yet the quote I used was in response to this post:


Originally posted by Riddick
Originally posted by c4ts
That's none of your business, Riddick. Are you harassing Yaweh for his beliefs?

Just wondering if Yahweh has shared the joy of her insights with her parents.



Strange that Riddick then changes the sex of Yahweh in his reply, isn't it?

(Edited for a don when it should have been an isn.)

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by scribble


I'll say this as politely as I know how:

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you need a refresher, I'll point you:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

There, where you will see only the remaining evidence of a post so horrible by Riddick that it had to be deleted by a moderator.

That is all.

Actually, it's still there, not under Riddick, but under LukeT on page3 when the thread was reported.

Riddick said: Your blaming me for a problem seems weak.

I think most likely suzoled began the problem. just saving for posterity. Inability to take responsibility and all that.

last but not least: Hey, New Yorkers proved they're the best runners. You saw the tape from the WTC right? Hilarious bad-@$$ new yorkers running around like pansies.

You buy into stereotypes easily, don't you? New Yorkers are no more bad-@ss than any other state. I said New York did not run. Religion, ethnic or cultural affiliation, age, whatnot; people pulled together. Too bad you missed that video.

[neutrino_cannon]

This established, I reaffirm the power of google.

[LFTKBS]

Back on topic: how come no one called the Adventist Review and asked them why they lied?

Do I get to do it?

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
Back on topic: how come no one called the Adventist Review and asked them why they lied?

Do I get to do it? That's a bit provocative; plus, in the improbable event they can somehow corroborate the story (or most of it), or even demonstrate that they relied on information they reasonably believed to be true, you'll look a bit of a crank.

But why don't you inquire about their fact-checking procedure and how it was applied in this instance?

[LFTKBS]

I think that I shall.

Does anyone else find it amusing that, once Riddick's claim was proved to be false, he stopped posting in here?

That happens rather a lot.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
I think that I shall.

Does anyone else find it amusing that, once Riddick's claim was proved to be false, he stopped posting in here?

That happens rather a lot.

Cool, let us know how it goes.

I noticed that tendency about Riddick too. Of course if anyone in the future points out that they are disinclined to beleive the NEXT claim that he makes , because he ahs been caught in lies before, they will be "harping on it" and "refusing to let it go.:rolleyes:

[Lothian]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
I think that I shall.

Does anyone else find it amusing that, once Riddick's claim was proved to be false, he stopped posting in here?

That happens rather a lot. That is because he is not really interested in debate and merely practicing. He is hoping one day to be a troll.

At the moment he falls somewhat short as he isn’t good enough and his story is full of inconsistencies.

He has reached middle age, can’t do sports any more, has RSI in his wrist from his previous internet activities and is now looking on-line for a less frenetic internet ‘sport’.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Cool, let us know how it goes.

I noticed that tendency about Riddick too. Of course if anyone in the future points out that they are disinclined to beleive the NEXT claim that he makes , because he ahs been caught in lies before, they will be "harping on it" and "refusing to let it go.:rolleyes: For the record, though, I wouldn't accuse Riddick of lying about the Michael Fiedler story. It seems unlikely to be true, but I don't think he made it up, and I don't think he repeated it knowing it to be false.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
For the record, though, I wouldn't accuse Riddick of lying about the Michael Fiedler story. It seems unlikely to be true, but I don't think he made it up, and I don't think he repeated it knowing it to be false.

Fair enough on that point. Though from what I have seen of him so far, if he were to tell me the sky is blue, I would look outside to make sure that it hadn't turned green.

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Riddick

...snip...

Nyarlathotep you suck. Just go right on ahead being your prepubescent self.

Anybody else see the irony in these statements?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
Back on topic: how come no one called the Adventist Review and asked them why they lied?

Do I get to do it?

You can try. Chances are the Adventist Review will claim the evil athiests lied and changed all the records or something. Paranoid Christians tend to do things like that.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Originally posted by Riddick
But then, New Yorkers have been pretty good at running since the towers came down.




you're a rat b@stard!:mad:

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by bewareofdogmas





you're a rat b@stard!:mad:

Don't let him get to you. He's trying to rile people up with stupid comments like that. Somehow I doubt if a huge skyscraper were coming down on him that he would just stand there and take it like a man.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
But then, New Yorkers have been pretty good at running since the towers came down.

Hrm... from what I can see, <a href=http://www.nyrrc.org/>have (http://www.nycmarathon.org/>New) runners <a href=http://www.nme.com/news/106624.htm>since (http://www.ingnycmarathon.org/results/>been) before <a href=http://www.cnnsi.com/athletics/1998/nymarathon/> Sept 11th.</a>

But then, I wouldn't expect you to actually put any reasonable thought behind your words.

[Tricky]

Ooooh! A flame war! And I'm missing it! Since juvenile insults seem to be the order of the day, how about this one:

"Does the R-I-D stand for "Really Incredibly Dinky"?

Sadly Riddick probably won't see this as he seems to have left with his tail between his legs.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Tricky
Sadly Riddick probably won't see this as he seems to have left with his tail between his legs. [/B]

Speakin of people who aren't around at the moment, where's yahweh? I'd like to know what answer he got from the AA people!!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble


I'll say this as politely as I know how:

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you need a refresher, I'll point you:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

There, where you will see only the remaining evidence of a post so horrible by Riddick that it had to be deleted by a moderator.

That is all.
Go ahead, hold a grudge. I'm not wasting my time.

You haven't even entertained the idea that the post didn't actually mean what you interpreted it to mean.

[Silicon]

Originally posted by Riddick



Also, note that the first return in Google for "Michael+Fiedler+Atheist" returns the following link:We support Michael Newdow... (http://www.atheists.org/cgi-bin/petition2)



What does that prove? Your name is on the same petition.


Jesus Riddick, USA


You didn't tell us your first name was Jesus!

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
[B]
Go ahead, hold a grudge. I'm not wasting my time.


Call it a grudge if you like. I didn't post this here to provoke you, just to answer ceo_esq's false assertion. If you'd like me to feel better about the whole incident and drop any "grudges" I have, try apologizing.


You haven't even entertained the idea that the post didn't actually mean what you interpreted it to mean.


Wrong. I've thought a lot about that post and entertained a lot of wild ideas in relation to it.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Stunning. I'm sure the story is completely twisted, though.

Boy, Adventists are ignorant do*cheb*gs. What's great is their whole religion is founded by their "prophet" Ellen White, who plagerized all her writings from the Mormans. Their whole religion is fraud based on fraud. They don't like to talk about it much, but it sure is funny to point it out to them.

How do I know? I used to be one.
Saying SDAs are founded upon Ellen White is a little like putting the cart before the horse.

SDAs are founded upon the Bible. We are similar to the Jews, except that we believe Jesus lived on earth as God.

We believe Ellen White was a prophet from God.

Again, the emphasis is on the Bible and its teachings.

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick

Go ahead, hold a grudge. I'm not wasting my time.

You haven't even entertained the idea that the post didn't actually mean what you interpreted it to mean.

The one where you said you'd blow someone's brains out?

If you didn't mean to make a terrorist threat, you really do need to work on those 'communication' skills.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Silicon
What does that prove? Your name is on the same petition.

Jesus Riddick, USA

You didn't tell us your first name was Jesus!
Well, I guess that's funny.

It wouldn't be bad to sign up for, I'm not really for government sponsoring a religion. I prefer to keep them separate, so I don't have the government shoving religion down my throat in future years.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by evildave
The one where you said you'd blow someone's brains out?

If you didn't mean to make a terrorist threat, you really do need to work on those 'communication' skills.
You need to stop exaggerating like a 5yr old.

[scribble]

YOU'RE A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST!!!

:eek:

OH MY GOD!

Sorry, I didn't read anything that claimed that until you posted it just now.

I guess that explains a lot.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

You need to stop exaggerating like a 5yr old.

Not really a terrorist thread there, EvilDave, just a real real bad pursuasion technique. http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=3
Originally posted by Riddick
I hope you enjoyed Michael Jordan's stay in Chicago, because your city sucks now.

btw, the Jewish God is the same as my God. Christ was a Jew. So you will see me there, ya sucker.

Have a nice F***ing day.

If I'm holding a gun to the roof of your mouth, ready to pull the trigger, who ya gonna call? And I will cap you my friend. No doubt about it. As a matter of fact, I will hunt you down and kick your @$$ in heaven. If I forget, remind me when we get there. I just want you to know that we have mutual feelings towards eachother. Lots of hate coming your way friend. And there'll be more. I been to prison a couple times. One was Assault on a Sheriff. I'll kick your @$$ to.

Now, what you say here in posts will most likely be entirely different if there's actually a gun pointed at the roof of your mouth. When high-velocity metal is about to meet the brain, one's perspective can change. So make your courageous posts here, I'll tack them on your forehead when I dispose of your body.

[frisian]

:confused:

Perhaps I don't get out much.

You get a one week vacation the 2ND time you threaten to kill someone?

I don't know whether to laugh or gasp.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
YOU'RE A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST!!!

:eek:

OH MY GOD!

Sorry, I didn't read anything that claimed that until you posted it just now.

I guess that explains a lot.
YOU'RE AN ATHEIST!!!

I guess that explains a lot.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
YOU'RE AN ATHEIST!!!

I guess that explains a lot.

What they'd call a "Soft" atheist, not a "hard" one - or perhaps you're more familiar with the term "agnostic."

But yeah, I am, and it certainly does explain a lot!

[frisian]

Originally posted by scribble


What they'd call a "Soft" atheist, not a "hard" one - or perhaps you're more familiar with the term "agnostic."

But yeah, I am, and it certainly does explain a lot!

Not a 7th day atheist? ;)

[scribble]

Originally posted by frisian
You get a one week vacation the 2ND time you threaten to kill someone?

I don't know whether to laugh or gasp.

Hrm. Having just read this, I'll choose to gasp, personally.

Where's Hal when you need him?!

[evildave]

I think it's truly unfair to claim that Riddick isn't living up to the standards of his religion.

I feel we should give him the benefit of the doubt and accept him as a good and true servant of his god, and a legitimate representative and ambassador of his faith.

There is no reason to say he is "unchristian", nor is there any reason to believe he does not represent his Christian faith as a model member.


More on Seventh Day Adventists
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sda.htm

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
Not really a terrorist thread there, EvilDave, just a real real bad pursuasion technique. http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362&perpage=40&pagenumber=3

Yes, the post was in bad taste, wasn't it.

Hey, I'm not perfect.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Yes, the post was in bad taste, wasn't it.

Hey, I'm not perfect.

So anyway, some apparent faked-up story about an atheist finding god...

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
Yes, the post was in bad taste, wasn't it.

Hey, I'm not perfect.

I don't know if you care - I don't particularly care if you care, either. But out of fairness to you, I feel obligated to inform you that I don't see that as an apology.

[frisian]

.................................................. ........

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Suezoled


So anyway, some apparent faked-up story about an atheist finding god...

Yeah, I'm still curious as to whether or not the story was faked, too.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
I don't know if you care - I don't particularly care if you care, either. But out of fairness to you, I feel obligated to inform you that I don't see that as an apology.
If some of my crude comments offended you, I apologize for those.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson


Yeah, I'm still curious as to whether or not the story was faked, too.

What we really need is someone who might contact the people involved directly and ask some questions.

If only we had a savior like that... where *is* Yahweh?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
If some of my crude comments offended you, I apologize for those.

That's a decent start, but instead of saying, "If my comments hurt you, I'm sorry," it would go a lot further (and mean a lot more) to say something like, "I'm not really interested in killing you," or "I didn't *mean* those crude comments."

It's cute for you to apologize for upsetting me, but you really don't have any control over what upsets me, so I couldn't accept that apology fairly. I could accept one that says, "I was wrong; I didn't mean that."

[Riddick]

I found Michael Fiedler's phone number.

Is that something you're interested in?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
That's a decent start, but instead of saying, "If my comments hurt you, I'm sorry," it would go a lot further (and mean a lot more) to say something like, "I'm not really interested in killing you," or "I didn't *mean* those crude comments."

It's cute for you to apologize for upsetting me, but you really don't have any control over what upsets me, so I couldn't accept that apology fairly. I could accept one that says, "I was wrong; I didn't mean that."
I don't do revisions on apologies. You should have stated your terms before I apologized.

You'll have to take what was given on a honorable intention.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick

I don't do revisions on apologies. You should have stated your terms before I apologized.

You'll have to take what was given on a honorable intention.

You apparently missed my point. You haven't apologized for anything, because you apologized for something that's totally out of your control. Imagine, for a minute, that I apologized to you for how stupid you are. Assuming you're stupid, it really wouldn't be my fault, nor my place to apologize to you for it. Since you're not stupid, I'm sure now you understand why your apology was meaningless.

I can't read your intentions, and I don't believe them to be honorable. Whether you really wish to apologize to me is entirerly up to you - I don't rquire an apology and I can't (and wouldn't) demand one. I interpreted a few of the things said as meaning there was a chance you wanted to apologize (not the least of which is I believe your religion suggests it's the Right thing to do). I only feel obligated to point out that if you do feel that way, the apology is still pending.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
I found Michael Fiedler's phone number.

Is that something you're interested in?

The Michael Fiedler, former director of the Nebraska American Athiests, or a Michael Fiedler? They come in six-packs, you know.

Seriously, a phone number wouldn't help too much. We could call and it could be anyone claiming to be Michale Fiedler. It might help answer some questions we have someday, but I doubt they'd be very pressing (like "why'd you do it?" and "How did you convince the writers of this artice you headed the NE AA?") - and of course without some kind of outside veirification, we could never know if it was really The Michael F or A Michael F or a nobobody pretending to be somebody.

The interesting answers will come first from AA itself.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
The Michael Fiedler, former director of the Nebraska American Athiests, or a Michael Fiedler? They come in six-packs, you know.
It's listed in the directory as: Fiedler, M & L

In the article, his wife's name is Laura. So we have a lastname match, His first initial match, Her first initial match. This is Lincoln, Nebraska, so we're not a very big city.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick

It's listed in the directory as: Fiedler, M & L

In the article, his wife's name is Laura. So we have a lastname match, His first initial match, Her first initial match. This is Lincoln, Nebraska, so we're not a very big city.

I tried to respond ot that in an edit.

I'm not sure whether sharing it would be legal, but I wouldn't be comfortable calling it at any rate until we've got some outside verification of the situation. We don't know if the man was in fact ever the director of AA in NE, which really seems to be the only question. One he couldn't answer for us himself for security reasons, as you surely can see.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
You apparently missed my point. You haven't apologized for anything, because you apologized for something that's totally out of your control. Imagine, for a minute, that I apologized to you for how stupid you are. Assuming you're stupid, it really wouldn't be my fault, nor my place to apologize to you for it. Since you're not stupid, I'm sure now you understand why your apology was meaningless.

I can't read your intentions, and I don't believe them to be honorable. Whether you really wish to apologize to me is entirerly up to you - I don't rquire an apology and I can't (and wouldn't) demand one. I interpreted a few of the things said as meaning there was a chance you wanted to apologize (not the least of which is I believe your religion suggests it's the Right thing to do). I only feel obligated to point out that if you do feel that way, the apology is still pending.
You've already stated you don't like me. Why would you want me to apologize?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
You've already stated you don't like me. Why would you want me to apologize?


I said: I don't. I said: I get the feeling that you need or want to apologize to me. I said: If I'm wrong about you (and your religion and what it would say on the subject) then by all means, don't apologize.

However, I'll admit it was a little dishonest. I've a slight personal stake in seeing you apologize, which would take some time to explain and make me sound neurotic. The "nutshell" version would be that hearing you say it was wrong and you didn't mean it will help me rest better at night, knowing there's at least one less person in the world who would kill me, given the opportunity.

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick
I found Michael Fiedler's phone number.

Is that something you're interested in?

Well, you may as well drag Madalyn Murray OHair's "born again" son into it, while you're at it.


Here's a site that claims to have the "former Nebraska state director for American Atheists" speaking.
http://www.vop.com/75/

[c4ts]

Originally posted by evildave
I think it's truly unfair to claim that Riddick isn't living up to the standards of his religion.

I feel we should give him the benefit of the doubt and accept him as a good and true servant of his god, and a legitimate representative and ambassador of his faith.

There is no reason to say he is "unchristian", nor is there any reason to believe he does not represent his Christian faith as a model member.


More on Seventh Day Adventists
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sda.htm

I don't think the Seventh Day Adventists would survive if they all acted like Riddick.

[evildave]

I'm serious.

I think we should treat every member of Christianity who comes to this forum as Christ's very ambassador, and view their actions as actions commanded by their god.

After all, when someone claims to be an SDA and proceeds to threaten and abuse people, who am I to judge that this is not exactly what the Seventh Day Adventist Church wants their followers to do?

Who are any of us to tell a Christian what they should do, or how they should behave when acting in their god's interest?

Riddick is showing us how a Seventh Day Adventist and a Christian is supposed to behave. Unless another Seventh Day Adventist or Christian would like to step in and correct this impression, then this is exactly the only impression we are left with, with implicit support from other Christians.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
I said: I don't. I said: I get the feeling that you need or want to apologize to me. I said: If I'm wrong about you (and your religion and what it would say on the subject) then by all means, don't apologize.

However, I'll admit it was a little dishonest. I've a slight personal stake in seeing you apologize, which would take some time to explain and make me sound neurotic. The "nutshell" version would be that hearing you say it was wrong and you didn't mean it will help me rest better at night, knowing there's at least one less person in the world who would kill me, given the opportunity.
Fair enough, here is my effort at an all-encompassing apology:

I was wrong; I didn't mean that.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by c4ts


I don't think the Seventh Day Adventists would survive if they all acted like Riddick. David Koresh and his Branch Davidians were 7th Day Adventist offshoots. If more act like them, the FBI will take care of them. Or they'll set themselves on fire. Either way, I'm happy.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by evildave
I'm serious.

I think we should treat every member of Christianity who comes to this forum as Christ's very ambassador, and view their actions as actions commanded by their god.

After all, when someone claims to be an SDA and proceeds to threaten and abuse people, who am I to judge that this is not exactly what the Seventh Day Adventist Church wants their followers to do?

You think I'm abusing you?

Take a look at any of the posts. I recently did and just under %50 were in some way making fun of Christians.

Boy it really hurts when one of them turns on you, doesn't it? You're squealing like a stuck pig.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

You think I'm abusing you?

Take a look at any of the posts. I recently did and just under %50 were in some way making fun of Christians.

Boy it really hurts when one of them turns on you, doesn't it? You're squealing like a stuck pig.

Excpet that you were shown that most of that 'making fun of Christians' was nothing of the sort.

[MLynn]

Originally posted by evildave
I'm serious.

I think we should treat every member of Christianity who comes to this forum as Christ's very ambassador, and view their actions as actions commanded by their god.

After all, when someone claims to be an SDA and proceeds to threaten and abuse people, who am I to judge that this is not exactly what the Seventh Day Adventist Church wants their followers to do?

Who are any of us to tell a Christian what they should do, or how they should behave when acting in their god's interest?

Riddick is showing us how a Seventh Day Adventist and a Christian is supposed to behave. Unless another Seventh Day Adventist or Christian would like to step in and correct this impression, then this is exactly the only impression we are left with, with implicit support from other Christians.
Well, I guess I'm stepping in (it). I've tried to be prudent and be a calming influence in the Forum at large. No, I'm not an SDA - just a misfit Jesus freak, but I have NOT behaved borish (sp?) and abusive like Riddick (sorry, dude, but you gotta get civilized as people are just blowin' you off). I've tried to be patient with him, but the comment about New Yorkers and WTC really got to me.
I like you, evildave, you have a lot of good perspectives.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by MLynn

Well, I guess I'm stepping in (it). I've tried to be prudent and be a calming influence in the Forum at large. No, I'm not an SDA - just a misfit Jesus freak, but I have NOT behaved borish (sp?) and abusive like Riddick (sorry, dude, but you gotta get civilized as people are just blowin' you off). I've tried to be patient with him, but the comment about New Yorkers and WTC really got to me.
I like you, evildave, you have a lot of good perspectives.

And if more 'misfit Jesus freaks' acted like you, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

Unfortunately, it seems for every MLynn I encounter, I run into 15 Riddicks.

[MLynn]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


And if more 'misfit Jesus freaks' acted like you, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

Unfortunately, it seems for every MLynn I encounter, I run into 15 Riddicks.
Me too...

[MoeFaux]

Originally posted by Riddick

Saying SDAs are founded upon Ellen White is a little like putting the cart before the horse.

SDAs are founded upon the Bible. We are similar to the Jews, except that we believe Jesus lived on earth as God.

We believe Ellen White was a prophet from God.

Again, the emphasis is on the Bible and its teachings.

Listen, sir, my father started his own SDA church, and was later a pastor at another. I attented SDA schools growing up, and was heavy in all the SDA church activities. I know a bit about the damn church, okay?
SDA's have been backing away from the emphasis on Ellen White after they found out she's a fraud. But when you're baptised in the church, you still have to take a vow stating you believe she was a prophet from god. It's all bulls*it.

You wanna play? BRING IT ON.

[evildave]

Thank you, MLynn. I appreciate your kind words. When good people do nothing is when bad things are allowed to happen.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Yahweh
I'll take care of that by emailing American Atheists, then I'll get back to you.
I recieved an email today from Atheists.org. It reads as follows:

Subj: Michael Fiedler
Date: 3/25/04 12:29:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: bmeltzer@atheists.org
To: [myemail]@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
-------------------------------------------------


Hi,

Thanks for sending me this. Michael Fiedler was the Nebraska State Director for American Atheists. I appointed him myself in the beginning of 2003. He resigned within a few months stating that his new fiancé is very religious and told him that if he doesn’t resign, she won’t marry him.

It is very unusual for a true Atheist to convert to christianity. In fact, I know of no case where it can be proven that someone really was an Atheists and then became a christian. There were only two instances that I’ve heard where that happened, and both of those were questionable at best. Either the person thought they were an Atheist, but did not really know what an Atheist is, or they just lied and said they were an Atheist.

Thanks again,

Bart Meltzer,
Director of State and Regional Operations,
American Atheists, Inc.
bmeltzer@atheists.org

(AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights for nonbelievers; works for the total separation of church and state; and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.)
A personal comment of mine: I think by "True Atheist", the author means "Hard Atheist" (as in the type who deny and reject the existence of God and gods). I dont much care for the logic "thought they were and atheist, but really wasnt... or just lied and said he was an atheist", its strangely reminscient of RR logic (although I will admit knowing a few people who attach the title "atheist" to their name, although they'll readily admit that they "arent sure").

I find the "if you dont resign, I wont marry you" quite believable. In this case, the AdventistReview.org was in fact based on actual events, although the important details reported remain largely ommited as well as fabricated beyond all recognition of honesty.

It would be the integrity equivelant of saying "Pope John Paul 2 accept evolution, and with this he [explective deleted] in the holy water of the Catholic church and recants ever having devoting his time to the belief which he describes in his own words as 'silly and childish'. A good day has dawned for atheists everywhere! P.S. Pope JP2 and his secret homosexual lover will marry on the 18th of September this".

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick

You think I'm abusing you?

Take a look at any of the posts. I recently did and just under %50 were in some way making fun of Christians.

Boy it really hurts when one of them turns on you, doesn't it? You're squealing like a stuck pig.

No, you haven't really abused me... yet. I only make reference to your long collection of what appears to be fairly one-sided abuse against others.

Have you turned on me? How sad. I though I had been quite civil, in general.

There's just no pleasing some people.

Perhaps if you instead explained how you are being 'made fun of', and why you are so singularly provoked by (what appear to me to be) fairly innocuous disagreements with your philosophical conclusions that you feel motivated to stoop to name-calling?

Even after I ever-so-gently asked you to try alternate communication techniques, assuming that people did not understand what you were telling them, and nailing down some basic defintions to use in your arguments?

[Silicon]

Thanks for the info, Yaweh.

Yeah, I think that Athiests group is kind of strange. I felt that in their stuff on this Pledge of Allegiance case. They do seem to treat Atheism like a religion unto itself.



To me, not believing in God is no more a religion than not playing soccer is a sport.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Silicon
Yeah, I think that Athiests group is kind of strange. I felt that in their stuff on this Pledge of Allegiance case. They do seem to treat Atheism like a religion unto itself.


Yep, that's one of the reasons that neither Chani (who is a VERY vocal and Strident atheist), nor I, are particularly interested in joining American Atheists.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
I was wrong; I didn't mean that.


Thanks, Riddick. It takes a Big Man to apologize like that and I've got more repect for you now.

[scribble]

Originally posted by evildave
I'm serious.


Well, I for one think it's a Great Idea. I've always thought towlie made a great representative of athiests and/or skeptics as a whole.

C'mon, dave... It's a funny thought, but you know it's not workable. You're being as bad as "them."

[scribble]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I recieved an email today from Atheists.org. It reads as follows:


Thanks for the info, yahweh. I'm glad you did the research.

This whole thing has been a lesson to me, I've learned that it's important to remember that circumstantial evidence doesn't always point to the correct conclusion.

And what is the meaning of his conversion? I agree that Bart's explanation seems disingenuous, but one can't help but feel that someone who would abandon his beliefs for a woman might not be the best representative of those beliefs.

Not to say I blame him. I bet she's fire in bed. :)

[evildave]

The letter from AA sounds exactly like the "No True Scottsman" argument to me.

Silly buggers.

A better response might have been...

"Yes, he really did leave, and now he's doing the lecture circuit."

Oh well.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Silicon
To me, not believing in God is no more a religion than not playing soccer is a sport.

You might think you're right, but considering the number of soccer tournaments I haven't been to, I'd say my not-playing-soccer coach was a sound investment.

[evildave]

Originally posted by scribble


Well, I for one think it's a Great Idea. I've always thought towlie made a great representative of athiests and/or skeptics as a whole.

C'mon, dave... It's a funny thought, but you know it's not workable. You're being as bad as "them."

Not really. I only seek to uphold standards of conduct by reminding people of the image they are allowing to be painted of them, and inviting them to step in, if they find the behavior to be unacceptable.

I don't mind people being contentious, or having opinions that are opposed to mine in many dimensions. I welcome such exchanges. I learn. I post many contentious opinions myself.

There are many lines not to cross in any discussion, no matter how heated. People habitually conduct themselves poorly as a matter of course don't contribute anything to a discussion, even one that they start.

People can occasionally "blow a gasket". It's understandable. Tell us where the line was. It probably wasn't obvious.

Then there are people who are always "blown" or are simply looking for something to "blow up" over. I don't feel much sympathy for them when they cry "foul". They've cried "wolf" too often.

[Riddick]

It looks in this case like he was, fundamentally, an Atheist.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


And if more 'misfit Jesus freaks' acted like you, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

Unfortunately, it seems for every MLynn I encounter, I run into 15 Riddicks.
:s2:

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
It looks in this case like he was, fundamentally, an Atheist.

What makes you say that?

It looks to me like someone who would abandon their beliefs like that isn't *fundamentally* anything.

Eh?

[neutrino_cannon]

Yahweh, what say you hunt up Fiedler's e-mail address, ask him if he's an atheist, and put this puppy to bed beyond reasonable doubt?

Or should I do it? I've got lots of time on my hands right now.


I cunnat spull

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I recieved an email today from Atheists.org. It reads as follows:


A personal comment of mine: I think by "True Atheist", the author means "Hard Atheist" (as in the type who deny and reject the existence of God and gods). I dont much care for the logic "thought they were and atheist, but really wasnt... or just lied and said he was an atheist", its strangely reminscient of RR logic (although I will admit knowing a few people who attach the title "atheist" to their name, although they'll readily admit that they "arent sure").

I find the "if you dont resign, I wont marry you" quite believable. In this case, the AdventistReview.org was in fact based on actual events, although the important details reported remain largely ommited as well as fabricated beyond all recognition of honesty.

It would be the integrity equivelant of saying "Pope John Paul 2 accept evolution, and with this he [explective deleted] in the holy water of the Catholic church and recants ever having devoting his time to the belief which he describes in his own words as 'silly and childish'. A good day has dawned for atheists everywhere! P.S. Pope JP2 and his secret homosexual lover will marry on the 18th of September this".

Saved, again, for posterity.
Once again, good job son. (hugs)

[Suezoled]

At no risk at all for being called on sour grapes, I'm still wondering what the point is of the whole opening post. Are atheists supposed to feel bad for being themselves?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by scribble
What makes you say that?

It looks to me like someone who would abandon their beliefs like that isn't *fundamentally* anything.

Eh?
This isn't all for scribble...

Of course, all of you now are denying that Fiedler was an Atheist in the first place.

That move was to be expected.

Is it not possible to move from being an Atheist to a Christian?

Is it not possible to move from being a Christian to an Atheist?

I wager that if he moved from Christianity to Atheism, you all would praise him as a Hard Atheist. But, now that the tables are turned, you refuse to recognize his stance.

You all are doing your best to diffuse what Fiedler was, his position, and his Atheist beliefs. It doesn't take a someone steeped in skepticism to read between the lines clearly.

You all ought to be able to just say "Hey, a Hard Atheist went Christian." Call a spade a spade.

Dang you guys do hate to lose, don't you? You wanted the proof and you got what you asked for. And now you don't want to accept it. ROFL. :p

If the State Director of Atheism in Nebraska is not a Hard Atheist, who can be a Hard Atheist? Would you not choose a Hard Atheist to be your leader?

OK, I'll play that game. Spaklecat is a soft Atheist. She can never go hard. Not from her christian experience. Same for ApostateAbe, he can only be a soft Atheist --- never Hard. Same for all those other former christians who have become Atheists, they can never be hard atheists --- they can only be soft atheists. And their status as Atheist is constantly under review.

[Lisa Simpson]

I completely believe it's possible for an atheist to become Christian or a Christian to become an atheist. But so what? Are we keeping count? I wouldn't go bragging around the boards if some Christian suddenly decided to become a Buddhist.

Unless it was the Pope...

[Zep]

Originally posted by Zep
With a little luck, I'm willing to bet that that guy could be made to believe in little green Martians and heaven being in the next passing comet's tail. He's like you, Riddick. He's so in need of head-shrinking that he will find any star and follow it if he thought it would help him feel better, even atheism. I would not trust him to be sincere about any of his "-isms" that he believes - he seems to be able to change them so readily.

Btw, go read Winston Wu's autobiography. He went through the same path as this guy, and look how HE turned out! :) I thought I should just quote myself from the opening page...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
Dang you guys do hate to lose, don't you? You wanted the proof and you got what you asked for. And now you don't want to accept it. ROFL. :p
If I read that email correctly, I believe it said Mr. Fiedler resigned from his position because his fiancé, being very religious, told him that if he doesn’t resign, she wouldnt marry him (a remark like that might motivate a good many people to resign their positions). At what point was it declared Mr. Fiedler resigned because he recanted his atheism?

OK, I'll play that game. Spaklecat is a soft Atheist. She can never go hard. Not from her christian experience. Same for ApostateAbe, he can only be a soft Atheist --- never Hard. Same for all those other former christians who have become Atheists, they can never be hard atheists --- they can only be soft atheists. And their status as Atheist is constantly under review.
What are you talking about?

[Riddick]

Well, it might be a little difficult to be a "faithful disciple of Jesus Christ" and be an Atheist at the same time, might it not?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
[B]
This isn't all for scribble...

Of course, all of you now are denying that Fiedler was an Atheist in the first place.


No, I'm not. The rest of your post seems based on that incorrect assumption, so now that I've cleared that up for you, would you like to add anything?

[dmarker]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, it might be a little difficult to be a "faithful disciple of Jesus Christ" and be an Atheist at the same time, might it not?

Are you sure that he is a faithful disciple? It's been my experience that such conversions never last. The inconsistancies of religious life and thought eventually wear you down and you're back to atheism.

Of course, he may deconvert her as well.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Suezoled


Not really a terrorist thread there, EvilDave, just a real real bad pursuasion technique. [quote]



Isn't that what terrorism is?

[DangerousBeliefs]

To this entire stupid thread, I can only say "What's your point Riddick?"

Are you saying that this somehow validates Christianity?

Are you saying that this somehow invalidates the concept of Athiesm (that there is now evidence FOR God's existance)?

I'm thinking it's a good example of how love (or perhaps physical lust) can make a person do some pretty amazing things.

Luckily, I found and married an agnostic. Ancedotally, we've been happily married while many of our Christian friends keep getting divorced. (Some divorce data seems to support this observation)

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
Yahweh, what say you hunt up Fiedler's e-mail address, ask him if he's an atheist, and put this puppy to bed beyond reasonable doubt?

Or should I do it? I've got lots of time on my hands right now.
Well, it seems that there exists no information on Mr. Fiedler fella anywhere on the internet. I'll reply to Atheists.org requesting some information that will allow me to contact Mr. Fiedler.

[scribble]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Well, it seems that there exists no information on Mr. Fiedler fella anywhere on the internet. I'll reply to Atheists.org requesting some information that will allow me to contact Mr. Fiedler.

Just for the record, it's a bad idea. It doesn't really make any difference what the guy believes now and he's retired from whatever "public life" he lived. It's an interesting question, but only in such a theoretical sense that the breach of ettiquette involved in finding out seems disproportionate to our satisfaction.

Let him and his wife live in peace.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by scribble
Let him and his wife live in peace.

So I can't drive over to his house and ask him? Dang!

(I could by the way.)

[Lisa Simpson]

I agree, although if he were at a public event asking him about his conversion would be interesting.

[Upchurch]

What about just an email or snailmail?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by scribble
Just for the record, it's a bad idea. It doesn't really make any difference what the guy believes now and he's retired from whatever "public life" he lived. It's an interesting question, but only in such a theoretical sense that the breach of ettiquette involved in finding out seems disproportionate to our satisfaction.

Let him and his wife live in peace.
You make a good point... oh, if only I had read refreshed this page before sending the reply email to Athests.org...

Oh well, no use crying over spilled gefilte fish...

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Yahweh

You make a good point... oh, if only I had read refreshed this page before sending the reply email to Athests.org...

Oh well, no use crying over spilled gefilte fish...

He may or may not be upset at it.

'sides, there's nothing wrong, IMO, about asking people questions so long as it is done in a polite manner. They can always choose to decline to answer.

Besides, if he still is an atheist, he might be very pleased to clear up any misconceptions about it. If he really has converted, then I imagine he would be simmilarly enthusiastic to share that information.

At any rate, a definite reply of any sort from Fiedler would clear this silly buisiness permanently. Who knows? Could be very interesting.

[evildave]

Making a threat in California
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/422.html


422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
"Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.


Federal definitions for mailing a threat
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/41/sections/section_876.html

And in case the 'postal' references confuse you....
http://www.cybercrime.gov/johnson.htm

With links to 'Cyberstalking', and other useful bits of information.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Riddick
Well, it might be a little difficult to be a "faithful disciple of Jesus Christ" and be an Atheist at the same time, might it not? What would YOU think if he was neither, and just resigned from AA simply to please his lady-love?

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick
This isn't all for scribble...

Of course, all of you now are denying that Fiedler was an Atheist in the first place.

No Riddick, it we were wondering first and foremost if this man existed. Then if this story was true.

That move was to be expected.

Is it not possible to move from being an Atheist to a Christian?

Is it not possible to move from being a Christian to an Atheist?
Not at all. I'm just doubting any information YOU post, Riddick, is authentic.

I wager that if he moved from Christianity to Atheism, you all would praise him as a Hard Atheist. But, now that the tables are turned, you refuse to recognize his stance.

You all are doing your best to diffuse what Fiedler was, his position, and his Atheist beliefs. It doesn't take a someone steeped in skepticism to read between the lines clearly.

You all ought to be able to just say "Hey, a Hard Atheist went Christian." Call a spade a spade.

Dang you guys do hate to lose, don't you? You wanted the proof and you got what you asked for. And now you don't want to accept it. ROFL. :p
No. You were, this time, right, which does surprise me. But I don't harbour any ill will towards this man or his life decisions.


If the State Director of Atheism in Nebraska is not a Hard Atheist, who can be a Hard Atheist? Would you not choose a Hard Atheist to be your leader?
Firstly, I have no leader. Secondly, if a committee were appointed, I would nominated based on character, intelligence, and willingness to listen. A "Hard Atheist" who is not willing to listen to reason is as bad as a fundy.

OK, I'll play that game. Spaklecat is a soft Atheist. She can never go hard. Not from her christian experience. Same for ApostateAbe, he can only be a soft Atheist --- never Hard. Same for all those other former christians who have become Atheists, they can never be hard atheists --- they can only be soft atheists. And their status as Atheist is constantly under review.
Why don't you ask my daughter about her stance and the possibilities she conceives? Why make assumptions? She still comes to this board.
Yes the atheist status is constantly under review. I review it often. I hope my internet kids do as well; I take a bit of pride in the fact they are open minded and intelligence folks.

[Some Friggin Guy]

I am posting this merely to state for the record that I admit when I am wrong.

Well, that and to dispute something (which is pretty stupid of me, since I said yesterday I was going to start ignoring things):

I am, by all accounts, a hard atheist. I am a vocal atheist. Yes, I am a Buddhist, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

For thoes who are unaware, I was raised christian and grew up in a very devout and fundamentalist family. I bought into it for most of my childhood. I became a hard atheist.

I do not think it's impossible for a hard atheist to become a fundamentalist christian. I disagree with it, but I know it's possible.

I'm not sure I believe it happened in the case of Mr. Fiedler, but it may have.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Suezoled
No Riddick, it we were wondering first and foremost if this man existed. Then if this story was true.

Not at all. I'm just doubting any information YOU post, Riddick, is authentic.
Isn't it interesting how one misrepresentation of information can completely ruin one's standing?

And one valid presentation of a factual truth does not serve to rectify that.
Originally posted by Suezoled
No. You were, this time, right, which does surprise me. But I don't harbour any ill will towards this man or his life decisions.

Firstly, I have no leader. Secondly, if a committee were appointed, I would nominated based on character, intelligence, and willingness to listen. A "Hard Atheist" who is not willing to listen to reason is as bad as a fundy.

Why don't you ask my daughter about her stance and the possibilities she conceives? Why make assumptions? She still comes to this board.
Yes the atheist status is constantly under review. I review it often. I hope my internet kids do as well; I take a bit of pride in the fact they are open minded and intelligence folks.
You know what they say, "Curiosity killed the cat."

[Kopji]

Isn't it interesting how one misrepresentation of information can completely ruin one's standing?

And one valid presentation of a factual truth does not serve to rectify that.

Yes, I suppose in a strict sense it's probably a fallacy. Just because a medium was exposed as a liar and a cheat, does not mean that the reading or séance the week before was a fake too.

But good character is a habit and when trust is lost it is not easily regained. Maybe thats why even in really ancient religions thousands of years ago, even long before Christianity, the value of being truthful was affirmed.


Truth is the supremest virtue (Zorasterism)

Great is the glory of truth. It shines like the star Tishtrya. Truth is the queen of virtues. Truth is the good Mazda-worshipping religion.

Truth is truth always and ever to the day of doom. Truth is omnipotent and immortal. Truth is one and thou art Truth, Ahura Mazda.

Simple and straightforward is the language that truth speaks. It needs not rhetorical embellishment. It shines in its innate simplicity. Never crooked and never zigzag, with no by-ways in which a traveler may lose himself, straight is the path of truth.

Truth knows no racial or geographical boundaries. Truth is ever the same for all. Truth blinds Druj, the demon of falsehood, as light blinds the owl. To be truthful is to be courageous, for falsehood is cowardice.

Truth walks with halting steps and falsehood flies on swiftest wings. Truth builds and creates, falsehood breaks and destroys. Man of truth is trusted and honored by all. The liar needs must invent two more lies to uphold his one and, from deep to deeper in the slough of falsehood, he sinks. Zarathushtra concentrates Angra Mainyu's evil in falsehood. He, the Evil Spirit, is falsehood himself.

Truth may be stifled and smothered for a time, but not for all time. Truth to falsehood is like oil to water. Forced under the stinking water of falsehood, like oil, on the surface, it will swim, while down like water will falsehood drop.

United by the bond of truth, flourishes society. Falsehood strikes at the root of mutual trust and hastens its fall. Noted for their probity, the ancient Persians, our illustrious ancestors, taught their youths the rigid adherence to truth as the first and foremost lesson of life.

My God, give me a passionate longing for truth and give me a feeling of repulsion from falsehood. Give me courage to be true. Guide me to think the truth and speak the truth and act the truth. Put me on the right track when my steps do swerve and stray from Rashnu's straight path. Incline me to walk steadfast on Mithra's shining path of truth. Strengthen me to fight falsehood with the weapons of truth. Let me love truth for truth's sake. Let all I speak and what I speak and when I speak be wholly true. Let my mouth speak only that which my heart feels. Let me be true to myself and let me be true to thee and thine, O Lord of truth.
http://www.zarathushtra.com


Too bad that's not in the Bible, maybe more people would benefit from it.

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick
You know what they say, "Curiosity killed the cat."

"Ignorance killed the cat, sir. Curiosity was framed."
C.J. Cherryh

Someone around here had that as a signature...

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Kopji
Isn't it interesting how one misrepresentation of information can completely ruin one's standing?

And one valid presentation of a factual truth does not serve to rectify that.

Yes, I suppose in a strict sense it's probably a fallacy. Just because a medium was exposed as a liar and a cheat, does not mean that the reading or séance the week before was a fake too.

But good character is a habit and when trust is lost it is not easily regained. Maybe thats why even in really ancient religions thousands of years ago, even long before Christianity, the value of being truthful was affirmed.



Too bad that's not in the Bible, maybe more people would benefit from it.

Well said Kopji.
Acting with caution at this point is not a sin, social or otherwise.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Kopji
Isn't it interesting how one misrepresentation of information can completely ruin one's standing?

And one valid presentation of a factual truth does not serve to rectify that.

Yes, I suppose in a strict sense it's probably a fallacy. Just because a medium was exposed as a liar and a cheat, does not mean that the reading or séance the week before was a fake too.

But good character is a habit and when trust is lost it is not easily regained. Maybe thats why even in really ancient religions thousands of years ago, even long before Christianity, the value of being truthful was affirmed.

Too bad that's not in the Bible, maybe more people would benefit from it.
So what we can learn from this is that ONE lie results in a "liar and a cheat."

Might one need to build a body of similar events to be truthful or conversely a liar and a cheat?

Or does one occurence necessarily label the person as such?

[MoeFaux]

Originally posted by Riddick




OK, I'll play that game. Spaklecat is a soft Atheist. She can never go hard. Not from her christian experience. Same for ApostateAbe, he can only be a soft Atheist --- never Hard. Same for all those other former christians who have become Atheists, they can never be hard atheists --- they can only be soft atheists. And their status as Atheist is constantly under review.

What makes you qualified to state that as a fact?
I am a HARDCORE atheist. Put a gun to my head and that won't change one damn bit. I think having seen the other side and having proven to myself that there is no god gives much more strength in my atheism.
Don't talk about what you don't know. It just makes you look even more ignorant.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

So what we can learn from this is that ONE lie results in a "liar and a cheat."

Might one need to build a body of similar events to be truthful or conversely a liar and a cheat?

Or does one occurence necessarily label the person as such?

No Riddick, it does not result in "liar and cheat." It means you've lied in the past, and nothing about your character or the way you act right now exonerates you about your past mistakes.

[LFTKBS]

Wow, looks like I missed a lot. The SDAs didn't lie, Riddick wasn't just making stuff up . . .

[cure Twilight Zone music]

I was wrong. I hate that.

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by LFTKBS

I was wrong. I hate that.
That's what I love about this place. Even though they hate it, the vast majority of people here will admit when they are wrong. Of course, I should limit this to "clearly and demonstrably wrong", as matters of opinion rarely lead to this end...

[MLynn]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
Luckily, I found and married an agnostic. Ancedotally, we've been happily married while many of our Christian friends keep getting divorced. (Some divorce data seems to support this observation)
My brother converted to Catholicism to marry this 1st wife, who divorced him right after the death of our father. I think he only converted so he could marry her in her church. Then, after the divorce, he remarried and is now a non-denominational type Xtian just like his 2nd wife. My brother (and i do love him dearly) is a pu**y-whipped guy.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

This isn't all for scribble...

Of course, all of you now are denying that Fiedler was an Atheist in the first place.

That move was to be expected.



Actually no. The only person denying that he was an atheist in the first place is whoever wrote that letter from AA. And the general concensus so far has been that it is a silly thing for them to do.

Try actually reading the replies sometime, mmmkay.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
Wow, looks like I missed a lot. The SDAs didn't lie, Riddick wasn't just making stuff up . . .

[cure Twilight Zone music]

I was wrong. I hate that.
Get real people. I told ONE untruth. Now you're making sweeping generalizations about everything I post.

What you guys need to do is separate your dislike for me and the ONE untruth that I told. You're running rampant off of ONE untruth. And it was an honest mistake at that. But no, your disdain for me sweeps me into a mouth full of lies.

Dislike me, fine. No big deal. You don't like my posts, well I don't like your posts either.

So you choose to dislike me.

Keep that separate from the ONE untruth that I told. It was not so far off base, really. I did rank in a tie for 36th in the US Men's II Division. And I was a skier in the qualifiying rounds of the Pro Water Ski Tour. Friday elimination rounds --- I was there. So keep in mind the truths that go along with the untruth.

Now we're looking at things objectively.

Skeptics have been honing their powers (which could be called "skeptikinesis") for many years just for the express purpose of protecting their fragile egos. - Tricky

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Get real people. I told ONE untruth. Now you're making sweeping generalizations about everything I post.

What you guys need to do is separate your dislike for me and the ONE untruth that I told. You're running rampant off of ONE untruth. And it was an honest mistake at that. But no, your disdain for me sweeps me into a mouth full of lies.

Dislike me, fine. No big deal. You don't like my posts, well I don't like your posts either.

So you choose to dislike me.

Keep that separate from the ONE untruth that I told. It was not so far off base, really. I did rank in a tie for 36th in the US Men's II Division. And I was a skier in the qualifiying rounds of the Pro Water Ski Tour. Friday elimination rounds --- I was there. So keep in mind the truths that go along with the untruth.

Now we're looking at things objectively.

Skeptics have been honing their powers (which could be called "skeptikinesis") for many years just for the express purpose of protecting their fragile egos. - Tricky
Last quote: taken out of context.

Objectively: you lied. You made threats. You are aggressive and start posts trying to raise hackles. You have no regard for the truth, you want instant exoneration, you preach what you do not practice.

Skeptically, your opening post was in doubt. Skeptically, it was looked at and affirmed. However, despite the indication it seems to be a legitimate article, it does nothing in terms of swaying atheists on this board, or causing regret for one's stance, anger, or pity.

Personally, I do not like you, but you're too unimportant to actually seriouslu consider acively disliking.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Get real people. I told ONE untruth. Now you're making sweeping generalizations about everything I post.

What you guys need to do is separate your dislike for me and the ONE untruth that I told. You're running rampant off of ONE untruth. And it was an honest mistake at that. But no, your disdain for me sweeps me into a mouth full of lies.


Correction, you were CAUGHT in one untruth. There are several other things about you that seem suspicious but cannot be definitavely proven as lies (i.e the claim that you are a 42 year old MBA) at this point. These combine with the one lie you WERE caght on to make it where we can trust you about as far as we can throw you.

[neutrino_cannon]

Hang on, what's going on now?

I belive that there was posted, initially, a story about an atheist who was the head of the Nebraska branch of American Atheists becoming a christian because his wife converted him, or something very much to that effect.

It turns out the name of the person in question does in fact belong to the former head of the Nebraska branch of American Atheists, who has since resigned to live with his wife who is very religious.

It seems to me there is still quite a lot of grey area. Is there any compelling, solid reason the story isn't true? Not really, as far as I can see, there's no solid refutation.

The truth could be a whole lot more interesting than many of us suspect, so Yahweh, what is the status of finding Fiedler(tm)? I can honestly do this if it doesn't mean much to you, or yyou are otherwise engaged in important buisiness, because this fascinates me actually.

Surely it wouldn't be like you to chicken out right now.

Riddick, sorry for being so mean and unkind to you. Really, I am. It was unecessary, and it was unworthy of me. I hope you can accept this.

I believed much would be gained if we all tried to be a little more civil.

[Kopji]

So what we can learn from this is that ONE lie results in a "liar and a cheat."

Might one need to build a body of similar events to be truthful or conversely a liar and a cheat?

Or does one occurence necessarily label the person as such? – Riddick


Riddick
Good questions, and difficult to answer. I’ll try this in my own words...

When we trust someone our cooperation level tends to be higher then when we don’t trust a person. Low trust is characterized by defensive or legalistic 'picky' behavior. It is more productive to be trustworthy.

“Dangerous Kopji Analogy©”

Suppose I wanted to drive around Phoenix. A map is a model of Phoenix, so I use a map and find some landmarks to establish my location. It might help to adjust my speed and direction, check my position often. I will probably get a little lost sometimes, but I am gradually working out a successful strategy to navigate Phoenix by comparing the predictive map to the evidence I see around me.

But suppose I am in Phoenix, but am trying to use a map of Denver? A map of Denver is a false model of Phoenix. I can change my attitude, direction, select all the evidence I want. Even use it to try and prove I am in Phoenix. But I cannot navigate using the Denver map, it has no predictive value.

It may be a fallacy to firmly decide that if someone was proven to ‘fake’ something supernatural, none of their other ‘demonstrations’ were true. The problem is not that the person was suddenly a liar about all things, or lied once in a moment of weakness but was truthful other times… The problem is there is no way to correct the model if it is shown wrong or faked, we end up discarding it.

Scientific method has a ‘predictive’ value like a good map. (Yes, there is also an artistic or ‘beauty’ judgment that can be made about things, but is almost certainly subjective.)

A way ‘out’ is to show people that you value truth and appropriate scientific method as an indispensable tool. Post sources, state opinion as opinion. Establish the truth of something by describing and experimenting. If a mistake is made, correct it. If you feel something is true but have no evidence, well, offer it as something like a nice work of art. ;)

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
The truth could be a whole lot more interesting than many of us suspect, so Yahweh, what is the status of finding Fiedler(tm)? I can honestly do this if it doesn't mean much to you, or yyou are otherwise engaged in important buisiness, because this fascinates me actually.

Surely it wouldn't be like you to chicken out right now.
I replied to American Atheists asking for a contact email of Mr. Fiedler, I have not recieved a response in return.

Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patien... BOOM!...

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Correction, you were CAUGHT in one untruth. There are several other things about you that seem suspicious but cannot be definitavely proven as lies (i.e the claim that you are a 42 year old MBA) at this point. These combine with the one lie you WERE caght on to make it where we can trust you about as far as we can throw you.
Look at my picture on my homepage. That's me at erm 40yrs. That's me skiing on the photo page also, I'm the baldish guy on the ski.

BTW, I have an accurate restatement of my slalom skiing abilities. When I stated 260th Internationally, I mistakenly looked at 2003 scores. I have not skied for about 10 years. So, without skiing for 10 years, I rank 260th Internationally. That's sitting on my butt, doing nothing and I hold that ranking.

Now, I quit skiing after the 1993 Nationals. So I went back to try to find the 1993 IWSF Ranking List. The furthest they went back was to 1997. So in 1993, I would be ranked Internationally at roughly position number 150-175. So I'm in the top 150-175 skiers Internationally in 1993.

If you'll look at this link of Elite Men Slalom Ranking Points 2004 (http://www.iwsfranking.com/elite03/MS.php) , the guy ranked #18 is Scot Ellis. He's ranked #18 according to 2004 Pro Rankings. I skied with that guy in practice -AND- I beat him in practice. There was a witness as we always have to have a boat driver to drive the boat. I cannot provide his name for security reasons.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I replied to American Atheists asking for a contact email of Mr. Fiedler, I have not recieved a response in return.

Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patience, Patien... BOOM!...

And here is my reply:

Subj: Re: Michael Fiedler
Date: 3/27/04 10:27:13 AM Central Standard Time
From: bmeltzer@atheists.org
To: [myemail]@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Hi,

I’m sorry I no longer have Michael’s email address.

Regards.

Bart

[evildave]

Look at my picture on my homepage. That's me at erm 40yrs. That's me skiing on the photo page also, I'm the baldish guy on the ski.

From the profile view: http://gmb79819.gq.nu

A picture of a blonde hottie with no panties and "favorite links" to porn and snuff sites?

Creepy.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by evildave
From the profile view: http://gmb79819.gq.nu

A picture of a blonde hottie with no panties and "favorite links" to porn and snuff sites?

Creepy.
We should all try to be like evildave.

edit: actually, I don't have a link to a porn site. My stuff might be crude, but it is definately not porn.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Yahweh
And here is my reply:

Why don't you just let the guy live in peace.

[evildave]

Be creeped out by weirdos whose only configuration choices for a personal web page template are to post images of "Some lovely ladies. And of course, I put myself in the middle of them.", and then links to porn and snuff sites?

Sure. I'm comfortable with that.

Here on this site, you espouse your grand philosophy and Christian ideals, and then all you can do with your personal web page is advertise that you're a dirty old pervert?

Creepy, indeed.

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick

Why don't you just let the guy live in peace.

You're the one who offered up that guy's personal phone number!

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[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't you just let the guy live in peace.
Well, evildave mentioned it before I did, but...

From this post (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870378920&highlight=phone+number#post1870378920), you write:
I found Michael Fiedler's phone number.

Is that something you're interested in?

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Well, evildave mentioned it before I did, but...

From this post (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870378920&highlight=phone+number#post1870378920), you write:

Have you stopped to wonder if I might have offered that up to see if any of you clamored for his personal contact info?

I wondered if any of you might have some insane need to contact him personally.

BTW, "offering to give" and "actually giving" are two very discrete versions.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by evildave
You're the one who offered up that guy's personal phone number!

Click on 'favorite links page' (http://gmb79819.gq.nu/favorite_links.html)
I'm not Gay.

You however, are under suspicion.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
Have you stopped to wonder if I might have offered that up to see if any of you clamored for his personal contact info?
And how did this little thought experiment go?

I wondered if any of you might have some insane need to contact him personally.
Speaking for myself, No, but it would be helpful.

[evildave]

Originally posted by Riddick

I'm not Gay.

You however, are under suspicion.

Creepy old fundy guy whos "favorite" sites are based on naked/dead people cries "fag"!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by evildave
Creepy old fundy guy whos "favorite" sites are based on naked/dead people cries "fag"!
Gee, another atheist making fun of me.

Take a number.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

Gee, another atheist making fun of me.

Take a number.

Cry me a river. You bring it on yourself.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Cry me a river. You bring it on yourself.
I think some of you are forgetting that this is Religion & Philosophy. There is nothing that says Atheist only for this message board. I have as much right as you do to be here.

Keep that in mind.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to cry any tears for me, bud.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick

Gee, another atheist making fun of me.

Take a number.

Riddick is being persecuted again!

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick

I think some of you are forgetting that this is Religion & Philosophy. There is nothing that says Atheist only for this message board. I have as much right as you do to be here.

Keep that in mind.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to cry any tears for me, bud.

Yep, and several others contribute their Christian (or other religious) philosophy without getting half the flak that you do, Mlynn, Elliotfc (whom I have gone around with myself several times over matters of philosophy without it ever once getting nasty and personal), and several others. The difference is that they don't take the attitude that you do. You have the right to be here sure, but when you start namecalling, threatening, etc when people disagree with you don't expect an ounce of sympathy when people make fun of you. Your attitude and actions cause people to react to you the way they do, not the mere fact that you are a Christian.

[scribble]

Your attitude and actions cause people to react to you the way they do, not the mere fact that you are a Christian.

[evildave]

Here we have an individual who claims to be "offended" by use of the term "fundy", with a personal web site linking to snuff and porn as his "favorite links", who goes out of his way to be as obnoxious as possible to as many people as he can, and now he claims it's all about his religion.

I love it.

It must be comforting to pretend you're not liked because of your religion, rather than your abundant personality defects... but failing to face up to and correct your personal issues will never get you more than make-believe pictures of girlfriends to post on your web page. Of course, pictures of girls (and dead girls) don't have their own opinion, and never talk back. Something you appearently can't tolerate. So perhaps fantasizing over downloaded images is your best bet for a long term relationship.

[scribble]

Too many attacks on Riddick for things that I personally feel are irrelevant...


So just for the record, I'd like to say rotten.com is one of my top five favorite sites and has been for years. And I like porn. I don't think either one makes Riddick a bad person.

[evildave]

Fair enough.

I shall mention the aforementioned topics no more, and duly appologize to Riddick for assering that his web page is creepy, and that he should "get a life".

[uruk]

rotten.com = eeewwwwww!!!!
porn = er...well....uh......

[scribble]

Originally posted by evildave
... his web page is creepy


Well, I don't know if I'd take that back. Something about it was definately disturbing.


Originally posted by uruk
rotten.com = eeewwwwww!!!!
porn = er...well....uh......


I haven't looked at the pictures in quite a while now, but I definately used to enjoy them in a sort of clinical way - it's fascinating to see these things that I'd never otherwise be exposed to. It often left me contemplating the fragility of the human body.

The boners at rotten.com (directly accessable at www.boners.com, but it's the same site, reallly) were often hilarious, but their promise to update daily has often been forgotten. Lately it seems to be forgotten and dead. But we'll see. If you've never been there, there's a chance to be entertained by the old photos, nontheless.

But the true beauty of the site, the reason I visit it daily even now, is the news portion of the site, which you can link to directly at www.dailyrotten.com - though again, it's the same site. This is a priceless source of news, and an examination of my posts will probably show that I take a lot of my news from here. I know I've posted many articles I found using www.dailyrotten.com.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by scribble

So just for the record, I'd like to say rotten.com is one of my top five favorite sites and has been for years. And I like porn. I don't think either one makes Riddick a bad person.

But possibly a bad Christian? ;)

[scribble]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
But possibly a bad Christian? ;)


Possible, but you'd have a tough argument. There's enough violence and pornographic content in the Bible itself to suggest it's okay to me. And there's David dancing around naked and there's Jesus hanging out with whores... And I, personally, don't think Onan was a masturbator. I think he just went off a bit early.