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Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 11:16 AM
Ok, so it is confirmed that I am to be assigned to teach 5th grade next year, and they recommend that I choose several books for reading material for the class to choose from. The previous teacher has a long list of recommended books, and there are other classroom books available as well.

However, there are three books which stand out in my mind that I remember reading around that age:

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Book #1: This is the book I actually remembered the name of a few days ago, but have since forgotten again. lol.

It is about a boy, who is the main character (I think he's like 12 or 13), and who lives with his mother, and I think he had a sister. The father went missing for several years. I THINK he was an experimental pilot for hte Air Force or something, but am very unclear about that.

In any case, the father is not around, and some how or other the boy got tangled up in an experimental scientific theory about the folding of space, and being able to use it to travel between the stars. Somehow or other, the boy ended up using the the theory, I think to look for his father or something, and wound up on an Earth-like planet. The major differences: This planet was all nice and neat, and orderly. TOO orderly. The streets and houses were TOO perfect. Same with the trees, and the lawns, and so forth. It turns out, the planet and it's inhabitant are controlled by a huge over-sized brain. The boy (and I think along with his sister) get arrested, and thrown in prison. They were to eventually meet up with this master-brain character, and before they do so, they run into their father, whom they have not seen in years!

So, they go in front of this big brain character thing, and it starts taking over their minds. In order to resist, they had to recite things like the multiplication table, the Star Spangled Banner, the Gettysburg Address. (Those are the three specific things I remember them reciting.) The point was, to resist the brain, and to remember their home planet or Earth. To remember that it still exists, and that the mother is at home, waiting for them.

In the end, they were able to defeat the rain, and ended up getting home safe and sound, and live happily ever after.

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Book #2: This is a book with a rather infuriating cliff-hangar at the end. This is great, because I am supposed to touch on teaching about cliff-hangars as part of the curriculum.

This, too, is a book with the main character being a boy of about 12 or 13. He is living all by himself, in a completely unoccupied valley. His family, for whatever reason, left him all alone. The father had earlier (I think) packed up and left to fight in "The War." Eventually, the mother, and some other sibling I think the boy had either died, or left. I, for the life of me, cannot remember what happened to those particular characters.

In any case, the boy is in this valley, all by himself (I don;t think the book specifies for how long.) He is able to take care of himself just fine, and has a ready supply of clean spring water in the creek which flows through the valley. The boy never ventures beyond his little home, for outside the valley is all dark, and bleak, and dreary.

Eventually, one day, someone come stumbling into his little slice of paradise. It is a man, wearing NBC-type military clothing. He had a gas mask, and all kinds of other gear. The kid, being a young boy, is naturally frightened, but curious. His curiosity gets the better of him, and he approaches the man, who collapses into the stream.

The boy finds out this man is sick. He is delirious, and so forth. I do not remember what all the man tells the kid. I think he tells him all about The War, and the results from the war. (You find out it was basically WWIII, and the rest of the planet seems quite dead, but you never really find out if there are any other pockets of survival.)

Anyway, eventually the man dies. The boy undresses the man, and takes the gear for himself, and decides once and for all to leave his safe little valley behind in order to explore the world. As he goes into the bleakness of the world outside the valley, the book comes to an infuriating end.

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Book #3: Once again, the main character is a 12 year-old boy, "coming of age." He lives with both his parents, and I think he has a sister or something. But that isn't important.

As you read the book, the setting is really strange. You find out that he is the only one with "bright eyes, and light-colored hair..." or vice-versa? In any case, the book only describes peoples' eyes as being "light" or "dark." (I forget. The boy is the odd one out in this community. Either he is the only one with "light-colored eyes and hair," or he is the only one with "dark-colored eyes and hair.")

In any case, the community is a perfectly ordered community. Perhaps a bit TOO perfect! The boy, being the strange one, is sent to speak with the village-elder, and to become the net "wise one" or whatever. After speaking with him the first time, he goes to school, and notices the apple on the teacher's desk changes suddenly, and becomes indescribably different-looking than what he was used to seeing it. Scared the crap out of the kid! lol.

He went back to speak with the old man again, and explained to him what he saw. The old man agreed the kid was "ready" or whatever. So he began to teach the kid about "color." (Up until this point, the book never reveals that everyone can only see in black and white, and shades of gray.) But the boy begins to see more and more colors. The sky is blue. Clouds are white. Grass is green. Etc.

Eventually, the kid is sent out of the community to go exploring on his own. (It must be mentioned that nobody ever stepped foot passet one certain point in the town.)

As the boy treks out on his own, he discovers that the land is not flat. He comes to a large and looming mountain, and begins to ascend along a road. Eventually, it begins to get cold (something else he never experienced before.) Then snow began to fall and lay on the ground. Again, this is a brand new experience. He has dreams of kids sledding in the snow, and having a great time. He dreams of a kid flying off the sled, and breaking an arm. At which point, the boy slips and breaks his own arm. He feels excruciating pain (he never felt pain in his entire life.)

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Beyond that, I forget how the book comes to an end. I think he eventually comes back to the community, and replaces the previous community elder, as he eventually dies or something.

I don't remember with very great detail much about these three books, as you can tell. I remember them, specifically because they were a couple of my favorite books I've ever read. I haven't touched any of them in over a decade (probably in the mid to late 90s when I last read them.) In fact, I think I only read each of them just once, except for the first one.

So, based on these descriptions, can anyone help me out here? I would totally appreciate it!

Tiktaalik
9th April 2011, 11:34 AM
The first one is "A Wrinkle In Time", from your description, although your description is different enough that I can't quite tell. It's a girl who is the main character, along with her boy-friend, and they are looking for their father & missing little brother Charles Wallace...

ETA: Mrs. Who, Mrs. Whatsit, are characters you might remember - but the giant brain thing kind of gives it away.

Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 01:33 PM
The first one is "A Wrinkle In Time", from your description, although your description is different enough that I can't quite tell. It's a girl who is the main character, along with her boy-friend, and they are looking for their father & missing little brother Charles Wallace...

ETA: Mrs. Who, Mrs. Whatsit, are characters you might remember - but the giant brain thing kind of gives it away.

YES! That's the one! I was thinking it was called "Tesseract." But "A Wrinkle in Time." A tesseract was the act of folding space.

I do remember those characters as well. Thank you!

now, if only I could figure out the other two books. Judging from my mistakes about the first one, I am sure the descriptions for the other two are just as erroneous.

Anyway, thanks a lot Tiktaalik! :cool:

Tiktaalik
9th April 2011, 03:04 PM
YES! That's the one! I was thinking it was called "Tesseract." But "A Wrinkle in Time." A tesseract was the act of folding space.

I do remember those characters as well. Thank you!

now, if only I could figure out the other two books. Judging from my mistakes about the first one, I am sure the descriptions for the other two are just as erroneous.

Anyway, thanks a lot Tiktaalik! :cool:


Sorry, neither of the others seem familiar to me - do you remember the approximate time period in which they were written? That might help in an on-line search...

alfaniner
9th April 2011, 04:33 PM
The first one is "A Wrinkle In Time".

You can also use its opening line as an example of a Bulwer-Lytton entry.

"It was a dark and stormy night."

Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 04:39 PM
Sorry, neither of the others seem familiar to me - do you remember the approximate time period in which they were written? That might help in an on-line search...

Yeah, I have no clue. I think the third one was something called "The Eye," or "The Seeker" or something along those lines. I could not at all tell you the proximate time it was written. I can only say that the setting was pretty much the stereotypical 1950s American suburban hell. lol.

The second book was probably definitely written sometime during the Cold War (which doesn't exactly help. But I would imagine it was written at the peak of nuclear war hysteria, probably in the 60s or 70s, as that was the basic themed setting of that book.) I can't even begin to guess at the title, either. :(

I just remember reading these books as a kid, and they have both stuck with me, as I remember them once in while. Would love to get my hands on them again. They were just as good as "A Wrinkle in Time," and was similar in the way that all three books had a twist. You never really know what is going on, until about halfway to three quarters of the way through.

Scott Haley
9th April 2011, 04:46 PM
Book 3 might be The Giver by Lois Lowry.

fuelair
9th April 2011, 04:49 PM
The first one is "A Wrinkle In Time", from your description, although your description is different enough that I can't quite tell. It's a girl who is the main character, along with her boy-friend, and they are looking for their father & missing little brother Charles Wallace...

ETA: Mrs. Who, Mrs. Whatsit, are characters you might remember - but the giant brain thing kind of gives it away.

Has to be - the planet is too accurate and the characters too correct except the making the father be the boy's rather than Meg's.

fuelair
9th April 2011, 05:02 PM
Giver verified: review (2nd or third) in Amazon describes like your description others mad it questionable): http://www.amazon.com/Giver-Lois-Lowry/dp/0385732554/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302393497&sr=1-1

As asked earlier, can you i.d. period you read especially the 2nd? Might help locate it quicker and key to how to do so.

Also, curious because 1 and 3 are both Newberry winners so 2 might also be.

Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 07:51 PM
Book 3 might be The Giver by Lois Lowry.

Giver verified: review (2nd or third) in Amazon describes like your description others mad it questionable): http://www.amazon.com/Giver-Lois-Lowry/dp/0385732554/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302393497&sr=1-1

As asked earlier, can you i.d. period you read especially the 2nd? Might help locate it quicker and key to how to do so.

Also, curious because 1 and 3 are both Newberry winners so 2 might also be.

Yes! The Giver! Awesome! Thanks guys! :)

Now, to figure out the second book I am thinking of. As I have said, I can only remember the setting that it was some kind of post-holocaust WWIII nuclear-type war with a terrible cliff-hangar at the end as the kid finally decides to set out on his own after taking the equipment off the man who discovered that little side of paradise in the healthy and lively valley.

If I truly had to guess, it probably was another Newberry winner, as you have mentioned. But it really seems like it could have been something written between the 60s and 80s. Not exactly all that helpful, I know.

But scratch that. I would guess it PROBABLY was written in the late 80s to early 90s, as it seems to recall the time-period of the Cold War, and that was the period when nuclear holocaust fiction was at its peak.

fuelair
9th April 2011, 08:10 PM
Based on titles, books I know and checking the only likely title/time, not a Newbery. I will check with other librarians around here (yes, I have an MLS, but I do teach Chemistry - I have a science BS, and can BS science and media!!

esquel
9th April 2011, 08:40 PM
Book 1: A Wrinkle in Time, L'Engle
Book 2: Z for Zachariah, O'Brian
Book 3: The Giver, Lowry

Ask-a -Librarian! :D

fuelair
9th April 2011, 09:50 PM
Book 1: A Wrinkle in Time, L'Engle
Book 2: Z for Zachariah, O'Brian
Book 3: The Giver, Lowry

Ask-a -Librarian! :DBut, of Course!!:D:D

Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 09:55 PM
Book 1: A Wrinkle in Time, L'Engle
Book 2: Z for Zachariah, O'Brian
Book 3: The Giver, Lowry

Ask-a -Librarian! :D

Yes! But of course! Great books, all three of those.

I should have kept my first guess of late 60s-early 70s. That was my gut instinct. The thing won an Edgar Award. Not a Newberry.

Thanks to all who replied in here to help me out. I really appreciate it. :cool:

fuelair
9th April 2011, 10:02 PM
I am making no assumptions here, but I note that the heroines of the first two are girls, not boys, but are remembered as boys in the OP. (Z is for Zach is a girl left behind, etc and on check with Amazon reviewers it matches the plot given and I had actually known the title but never read the book.

Oh, N, if you have not read the sequels to Wrinkle, Cal and Meg marry and have kids who adventure: 5 books total and well worth reading for all I haven't mentioned. :)

And, Wrinkle was the first hard-bound book I ever bought for myself (I had a LOT of paperbacks by then, though - most SF) - right after reading it in my school library - I was in 12th grade at that time.

Nihilianth
9th April 2011, 10:06 PM
I am making no assumptions here, but I note that the heroines of the first two are girls, not boys, but are remembered as boys in the OP. (Z is for Zach is a girl left behind, etc and on check with Amazon reviewers it matches the plot given and I had actually known the title but never read the book.

Oh, N, if you have not read the sequels to Wrinkle, Cal and Meg marry and have kids who adventure: 5 books total and well worth reading for all I haven't mentioned. :)

heh, yeah, I was quite mistaken on the sex of the main characters. As I said, been well over a decade since I read any of these books.

Sequels to Wrinkle!? Huh. They better be good, or else it may spoil the original in my mind. Sequels do that to me sometimes. I'll keep an eye out for them, and rent them form the library before purchasing them for the classroom. But the other three...the original Wrinkle, Zach, and Giver I will definitely have in the classroom library for my 5th graders next year, and place them on the reading list for them to choose from.

HawaiiBigSis
10th April 2011, 12:19 AM
Book 2: Z for Zachariah, O'Brian
Ask-a -Librarian! :D
A children's librarian at that...

I was going to say the plot of this sounded like Cormac McCarthy's The Road, except for the Happy Valley part. There was nothing happy in The Road.

(Oh, and the timeframe of the OP reading it didn't match up.)

Nihilianth
10th April 2011, 07:25 AM
A children's librarian at that...

I was going to say the plot of this sounded like Cormac McCarthy's The Road, except for the Happy Valley part. There was nothing happy in The Road.

(Oh, and the timeframe of the OP reading it didn't match up.)

I just watched that film over the last break we had a few weeks ago. Was quite sad, for it didn't seem like there was much hope for their continued survival, as all the canned food produced would dwindle, as well as the oxygen in the atmosphere.

Tiktaalik
10th April 2011, 08:05 AM
I am making no assumptions here, but I note that the heroines of the first two are girls, not boys, but are remembered as boys in the OP. (Z is for Zach is a girl left behind, etc and on check with Amazon reviewers it matches the plot given and I had actually known the title but never read the book.


I wondered about that too...kind of an interesting phenomenon. I wonder if I'm misremembering the sex of the main character in any of the children's books I read? I'm pretty sure my mother gave me "A Wrinkle In Time" specifically BECAUSE the heroine was a literate, capable girl, and she didn't want me to think all heroes have to be boys...

fuelair
10th April 2011, 11:32 AM
I wondered about that too...kind of an interesting phenomenon. I wonder if I'm misremembering the sex of the main character in any of the children's books I read? I'm pretty sure my mother gave me "A Wrinkle In Time" specifically BECAUSE the heroine was a literate, capable girl, and she didn't want me to think all heroes have to be boys...I did have an advantage in that area - I read books regardless of the sex of the main character - as long as the book was interesting I was fine with it! Which ain't bad for a 50s kid.:)

alfaniner
10th April 2011, 01:26 PM
Sequels to Wrinkle!? Huh. They better be good, or else it may spoil the original in my mind.

Just my opinion, but I did not like them. Mostly because they were self-contained books but using the same characters, and nothing (as far as I recall) that happened in the earlier books is ever referred to again.

Nihilianth
10th April 2011, 09:03 PM
Just my opinion, but I did not like them. Mostly because they were self-contained books but using the same characters, and nothing (as far as I recall) that happened in the earlier books is ever referred to again.

Yeah, it figures. I may peruse them anyway, as someone in the class may find it interesting.

Agatha
11th April 2011, 01:10 AM
Just a tiny point; it's cliffhanger (e, and no hyphen) rather than cliff-hangar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliffhanger

Nihilianth
11th April 2011, 06:41 AM
Just a tiny point; it's cliffhanger (e, and no hyphen) rather than cliff-hangar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliffhanger

Yeah, someone else already pointed that out. But thanks anyway. ;)

kleinjahr
25th April 2011, 03:38 PM
I was thinking the 2nd book was My Side of the Mountain. A boy runs away to his grandpa's old abandoned farm,lives there on his own. But the WWIII bits ruled that out.
As for young heroines, Podkayne rules! For family drama/scifi the Rolling Stones. Of course there are always the classics, Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass, Kim, the Jungle Books, Tarzan, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer. By the way, are kids even allowed to read that last list anymore?

Nihilianth
26th April 2011, 04:19 PM
I was thinking the 2nd book was My Side of the Mountain. A boy runs away to his grandpa's old abandoned farm,lives there on his own. But the WWIII bits ruled that out.
As for young heroines, Podkayne rules! For family drama/scifi the Rolling Stones. Of course there are always the classics, Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass, Kim, the Jungle Books, Tarzan, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer. By the way, are kids even allowed to read that last list anymore?

heh-heh probably not. I think I saw the Jjungle Book, Huck Finn, and Tom Sawyer in the classroom collection of books. However, remember, I am talking about classroom books. The school library has all those book you have mentioned. I was just looking at getting some of these newer, little-known books which were award-winning. They were instant classics.