Trump doubles down / claims that 'he heard' Obama was a poor student at Harvard

[Alferd_Packer]

Donald Trump has doubled down after playing the birther racist card. His latest series of attacks follows the common birther theme of “how did the president get into college?”

Talk about the soft racism of low expectations.

In an interview with the Associated Press, Trump alleged that Mr. Obama had been "a terrible student," and wondered how he could have been accepted to prestigious schools like Columbia and Harvard Universities.

http://www.ktvq.com/news/trump-how-did-obama-get-into-the-ivy-league-/

Note the unspoken question here: “how did a black man get into these schools?” Note the implication that Obama somehow “gamed” the system.

I am waiting for The Chump to make the claim that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students. This, of course, is a common Birther claim based on an April 1, 2009 hoax e-mail.

The most disgusting thing about this is that so few peopl are calling Trump out on this.

[randman]

Well, we know Obama got in because he was half-African, but I think the question is whether he got in for other reasons as well, based on politics specifically, and so a minority more deserving grade-wise did not.

Remember Obama said he hung around Marxists and other leftists; that those were his friends, and he hasn't released his records from that time. Trump is likely suggesting he had some leftist associations that pulled some strings to get him into Columbia and Harvard and did so specifically due to his far left leanings.

[SkepBlond]

The most disgusting thing about this is that so few peopl are calling Trump out on this.

Hopefully it is because few people take him seriously enough to bother with his "birther" stupidity.

[Kestrel]

Well, we know Obama got in because he was half-African, but I think the question is whether he got in for other reasons as well, based on politics specifically, and so a minority more deserving grade-wise did not.

Remember Obama said he hung around Marxists and other leftists; that those were his friends, and he hasn't released his records from that time. Trump is likely suggesting he had some leftist associations that pulled some strings to get him into Columbia and Harvard and did so specifically due to his far left leanings.

In an alternative universe where Marxists leave huge endowments to Ivy League colleges, this might work. :rolleyes:

[randman]

In an alternative universe where Marxists leave huge endowments to Ivy League colleges, this might work. :rolleyes:
Are really that unfamiliar with the Left?

unbelievable

[MNBrant]

Might be setting himself up as kingmaker saying things that the mainstream cant say. There might be truth to some of it. He might be someones boy but nobody wants to state it plainly and openly.

[IDB87]

I hope Palin, Trump and Romney all run. That's some good TV.

Derpaherp

[SkepBlond]

I hope Palin, Trump and Romney all run. That's some good TV.



Can't argue with that, hahaha.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Well, we know Obama got in because he was half-African

Do you have evidence for this, or by "we know" do you mean that you personally believe this?

[JoeTheJuggler]

Might be setting himself up as kingmaker saying things that the mainstream cant [sic] say. There might be truth to some of it.

Truth to what?

And what exactly is it that Trump says that the mainstream can't say? Why can't the mainstream say it?

Who is the mainstream anyway? Are you talking about the news media or other candidates (none of whom are in the mainstream, IMO)?

[randman]

Do you have evidence for this, or by "we know" do you mean that you personally believe this?
You never heard of affirmative action?

[JoeTheJuggler]

You never heard of affirmative action?
Do you always answer questions with questions?

Do you think saying he benefited from affirmative action is the same thing as saying "Obama got in because he was half-African"?

Do you claim he wasn't academically qualified? That is what it implies when you say, "Obama got in because he was half-African".

Affirmative action doesn't require someone to be accepted who isn't qualified.

Do you think all applicants who are half-African (however you define that strange idea) are accepted?

While we're asking questions, are you aware that Obama graduated Harvard Law School magna cum laude?

[casebro]

I do think Obama is hiding some stuff. Probably nothing overtly illegal, just things that would cost him votes. We already know about his radical lefty-ness. But Moslem? College application fraud?

Both he and Michelle surrendered their lawyer's licenses, Why? Lying about law school transcripts? Littlerock all over again?

But then they did re-elect Clinton...

I'm going to stock up on popcorn, a two year's supply.

[JoeTheJuggler]

So Trump went to Fordham and then got a B.S. from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business.

Shouldn't we assume he flunked out of Fordham?

[randman]

Do you always answer questions with questions?

Do you think saying he benefited from affirmative action is the same thing as saying "Obama got in because he was half-African"?

Do you claim he wasn't academically qualified? That is what it implies when you say, "Obama got in because he was half-African".

Affirmative action doesn't require someone to be accepted who isn't qualified.

Do you think all applicants who are half-African (however you define that strange idea) are accepted?

While we're asking questions, are you aware that Obama graduated Harvard Law School magna cum laude?
Joe, what's your problem. Affirmative action was set up to admit "half African", black American, Hispanic, Native Indian and other minorities who have lower test score, grades, etc,....than white Americans, particularly white males. Curiously, it has now morphed into a "diversity" issue since the Courts struck it down and so some minorities (certain Asians) actually are more discriminated against than whites.

But you act like you had no idea this was what was going on?

Obama was not reported (by his own admission in his books) to be a high achieving high school and college student, but he still got into Columbia and then Harvard. He finally did well ar Harvard.

He got in because he's black. If he was white, he wouldn't have gotten into Columbia, nor Harvard. These are not controversial statements. Obama doesn't pretend affirmative action didn't get him in so why are you?

[randman]

Do you always answer questions with questions?

Do you think saying he benefited from affirmative action is the same thing as saying "Obama got in because he was half-African"?

Do you claim he wasn't academically qualified? That is what it implies when you say, "Obama got in because he was half-African".

Affirmative action doesn't require someone to be accepted who isn't qualified.

Do you think all applicants who are half-African (however you define that strange idea) are accepted?

While we're asking questions, are you aware that Obama graduated Harvard Law School magna cum laude?
Oh, and just to spell it our for you, I wrote "half African" because his Dad was African. Obama doesn't come from an
"African-American" or minority American family heritage. It's quite possible that he was accepted in place of a minority American whose family helped build this nation but had been discriminated against via Jim Crow and other things.

Obama came from a somewhat privileged background, not an oppressed one.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Joe, what's your problem.
I have no problem. I'm challenging your unsubstantiated claim that "Obama got in because he was half-African".

Affirmative action was set up to admit "half African", black American, Hispanic, Native Indian and other minorities who have lower test score, grades, etc,....than white Americans, particularly white males.
False, as a matter of fact. Affirmative action was first created by JFK's executive order, and was originally meant to take affirmative action to make hiring and contracting practices race-blind. It later became a policy that gives preference to minorities who are fully qualified.


But you act like you had no idea this was what was going on?
I know exactly what's going on. You have made a fully unsubstantiated claim in saying that "Obama got in because he was half-African".




He got in because he's black. If he was white, he wouldn't have gotten into Columbia, nor Harvard. These are not controversial statements.
You are merely begging the question, and I am unwilling to concede it without substantiation.

So, where's your evidence?
Obama doesn't pretend affirmative action didn't get him in so why are you?
Whether or not he benefitted from affirmative action is not the same as the claim you made, that "Obama got in because he was half-African". Affirmative action does not make any allowances for accepting unqualified applicants.

In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, we can only assume he was accepted because he was qualified.

[Biscuit]

Oh, and just to spell it our for you, I wrote "half African" because his Dad was African. Obama doesn't come from an
"African-American" or minority American family heritage. It's quite possible that he was accepted in place of a minority American whose family helped build this nation but had been discriminated against via Jim Crow and other things.

Obama came from a somewhat privileged background, not an oppressed one.


That is the prettiest way of saying slavery I have ever read.

[Taarkin]

A black man succeeded at something?? He must be cheating!

It's curious that, despite the existence of a pro-white bias in many fields, nobody ever claims "he only got that because he's white!".

[randman]

That is the prettiest way of saying slavery I have ever read.
Not just slavery. There is an argument for favoring families that were discriminated against, but merely promoting someone for the color of his skin is wrong, imo. Obama didn't come from an oppressed background. The idea the color of his skin means he should be granted preferential treatment is misguided.

Now we have our first affirmative action president, rode the color issue all the way to the White House, and his roots are not even in black America.

[MNBrant]

I can't believe we are debating something that came from underneath his comb over.

[Cleon]

Now we have our first affirmative action president,

Surprisingly, repeating the claim doesn't actually substantiate it.

[headscratcher4]

Yes, it was a pretty priveledged background... a single mother, a bi-racial family of modest means living in a country that elevates every bi-racial child of a single mother to high status. When I attended University -- about the time Obama was attending Columbia -- I was always impressed by how the bi-racial children of single mothers ran the fraternaties, the school newspaper, etc. leaving only sports scholarships for legacy white males. It was, and is, a terrible situation. It is amazing to me that any white males can even get a college degree in this day and age.

Fortunately, Donald Trump has battled that kind of unfortunate sterotyping that says taht a white male from a priveledged background can't get into college, little less graduate. He's kinda like Rosa Parks.

[Biscuit]

He got in because he's black. If he was white, he wouldn't have gotten into Columbia, nor Harvard.

Do you have an alternate reality machine that allows you to know this?


These are not controversial statements. Obama doesn't pretend affirmative action didn't get him in so why are you?

They aren't controversial they are just supposition without evidence. When Obama says that he was helped by affirmative action you translate that to mean something like,

"I was not qualified to have achieved what I did. I got a free ride."

However I think its more along the lines of,

"Affirmative action helped to stop people from holding me back to due my racial origins."

[PGH]

Yes, it was a pretty priveledged background... a single mother, a bi-racial family of modest means living in a country that elevates every bi-racial child of a single mother to high status. When I attended University -- about the time Obama was attending Columbia -- I was always impressed by how the bi-racial children of single mothers ran the fraternaties, the school newspaper, etc. leaving only sports scholarships for legacy white males. It was, and is, a terrible situation. It is amazing to me that any white males can even get a college degree in this day and age.

Fortunately, Donald Trump has battled that kind of unfortunate sterotyping that says taht a white male from a priveledged background can't get into college, little less graduate. He's kinda like Rosa Parks.

Thank you. It's a shame that some people honestly believe this nonsense.

[thaiboxerken]

Well, we know Obama got in because he was half-African....

This is a common talking point among many racists. Why do you repeat it?

[PGH]

This is a common talking point among many racists. Why do you repeat it?

I think you answered your own question there.

[BenBurch]

This is a common talking point among many racists. Why do you repeat it?

I'll give you a clue if you need it. ;)

[randman]

Thank you. It's a shame that some people honestly believe this nonsense.
Obama attended an elite, expensive private high school in Hawaii and was largely raised since age 10 by his grandparents. The idea he stemmed from a poor background is absurd.

[Unabogie]

I do think Obama is hiding some stuff. Probably nothing overtly illegal, just things that would cost him votes. We already know about his radical lefty-ness. But Moslem? College application fraud?

Both he and Michelle surrendered their lawyer's licenses, Why? Lying about law school transcripts? Littlerock all over again?

But then they did re-elect Clinton...

I'm going to stock up on popcorn, a two year's supply.

It should be noted that absolutely none of what you wrote here is true.

[PGH]

Obama attended an elite, expensive private high school in Hawaii and was largely raised since age 10 by his grandparents. The idea he stemmed from a poor background is absurd.

Really? I thought we didn't know anything about his background because of the millions he spent to seal the records of his childhood in Kenya?

[randman]

It should be noted that absolutely none of what you wrote here is true.
What part is not true? Obama did give up his law license and Michelle went on inactive status.

[leftysergeant]

He got in because he's black. If he was white, he wouldn't have gotten into Columbia, nor Harvard. These are not controversial statements. Obama doesn't pretend affirmative action didn't get him in so why are you?Bull flops. He got in because he's bright. You don't get elected president of Harvard Law Review on affirmative action.

And you don't have to be particularly bright to get an MBA. The Shrub got one.

There is no proof that The Chump is anywhere near as bright as Obama, and I have not seen The Chump's long-form birth certificate, either, so there is no more proof that he is qualified to even run for POTUS.

[Unabogie]

What part is not true? Obama did give up his law license and Michelle went on inactive status.

Evidence?

[randman]

Bull flops. He got in because he's bright. You don't get elected president of Harvard Law Review on affirmative action.

And you don't have to be particularly bright to get an MBA. The Shrub got one.

There is no proof that The Chump is anywhere near as bright as Obama, and I have not seen The Chump's long-form birth certificate, either, so there is no more proof that he is qualified to even run for POTUS.
I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright and doesn't seem very intellectually curious. His thinking on issues is relatively shallow, at least from what we've seen of his comments.

Sounds more like a sophomore in college than someone with years of thought and experience, but maybe he's hiding his real thoughts? I don't know, but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has.

[Unabogie]

I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright and doesn't seem very intellectually curious. His thinking on issues is relatively shallow, at least from what we've seen of his comments.

Sounds more like a sophomore in college than someone with years of thought and experience, but maybe he's hiding his real thoughts? I don't know, but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has.

I thought he wrote a book that was better than Hemmingway (Hemmingway plus!) and yet he also pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of Presidentin'?

[ANTPogo]

What part is not true?

All of it.

Obama did give up his law license and Michelle went on inactive status.

Neither of them "surrendered" their law licenses (a specific terminology used when this accusation first came up to imply that the licenses were given up voluntarily before they could be taken away involuntarily).

Barack Obama retired his law license since he wasn't in the active practice of law any more (and, as a career politician, was unlikely to return). He had no disciplinary actions, either past or pending, at the time he retired his license. He could have kept it, if he wanted - his law license was not going to be taken from him if he had decided to keep it.

Michelle Obama's license, on the other hand, is just in inactive status. She can reactivate it at any time, and continue to practice law if she wishes.

You can read about it all here (http://volokh.com/2010/04/05/massive-problems-with-anti-obama-allegations-that-have-been-making-the-rounds-recently/).

[thaiboxerken]

Once again, Randman is here to remind the rest of us of the mainstream Republican views. Thanks, Randman!

[randman]

I thought he wrote a book that was better than Hemmingway (Hemmingway plus!) and yet he also pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of Presidentin'?
You mean the book Ayers wrote for him. Funny how the next book didn't reflect such brilliance as a writer and how the language and imagery of the well-written book matched Ayers so well.

[Newtons Bit]

I thought he wrote a book that was better than Hemmingway (Hemmingway plus!) and yet he also pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of Presidentin'?

It was probably ghost written by Ayers ;)

[leftysergeant]

Both he and Michelle surrendered their lawyer's licenses, Why?

First time I heard that. Got a link to a story on that?

Lying about law school transcripts? Littlerock all over again?

You brought it up. You have the burden of proof that there is anything hinky. Didn't your source say anything about it? These things need to be a matter of public record.

[johnny karate]

I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright and doesn't seem very intellectually curious. His thinking on issues is relatively shallow, at least from what we've seen of his comments.

If irony meter explosions were a real phenomenon, the one generated by this statement would rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime and threaten to unmake the universe.

[headscratcher4]

"but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has"

You funny :)

[leftysergeant]

I don't know, but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has.

He just regurgitated what a certain decaying old nosferatu whispered into his ear. The boy had no clue about science and had no interest in making government work well. Superstitious twit with an attitude problem and brain damage from too many years of substance abuse. Hardly brighter than one of the moons of Saturn.

[ANTPogo]

Funny how the next book didn't reflect such brilliance as a writer and how the language and imagery of the well-written book matched Ayers so well.

...or so a guy who was taken in by a laughably pathetic photoshop (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201104070013) claims.

You are aware that when Cashill attempt to prove this "match", the guy who wrote the actual software that Cashill used showed how badly Cashill actually misused the software and that his idiotic thesis is pretty much entirely false (http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/dreams), right randman?

[leftysergeant]

You mean the book Ayers wrote for him. Funny how the next book didn't reflect such brilliance as a writer and how the language and imagery of the well-written book matched Ayers so well.

Whoever taught you literary criticism should be barred forever from teaching that subject. Utterly useless drongo, he or she was. Must have been a graduate of some place like Oral Roberts U.

[Unabogie]

You mean the book Ayers wrote for him. Funny how the next book didn't reflect such brilliance as a writer and how the language and imagery of the well-written book matched Ayers so well.

Swing and a miss! Funny how you uncritically accept any and all conspiracy theories, no matter how ridiculous or unfounded, in the same thread you accuse a Harvard Law graduate of being intellectually shallow and incurious. And in this same thread you're accusing him of being the mastermind of the greatest hoax ever perpetrated which led to him being elected the most powerful man in the world.

It's like your thoughts are doing this :catfight: and you don't seem to notice.

[ANTPogo]

First time I heard that. Got a link to a story on that?

Snopes has a fairly exhaustive writeup about the claim (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp), and why it's false.

[leftysergeant]

Snopes has a fairly exhaustive writeup about the claim (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp), and why it's false.Actually, I was hoping to find out where the portal is that leads into the alternate reality from which the extreme righties issue.

[Cleon]

I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright

Then you are either ignorant of or ignoring his graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. Typically, morons don't wind up on the honor roll of Ivy League institutions. Nor do they get elected as editor of the Harvard Law Review.

[thaiboxerken]

Then you are either ignorant of or ignoring his graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. Typically, morons don't wind up on the honor roll of Ivy League institutions. Nor do they get elected as editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Oh, we all know that they just give it to the token black guy every once in a while, right Randman?

[randman]

Then you are either ignorant of or ignoring his graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. Typically, morons don't wind up on the honor roll of Ivy League institutions. Nor do they get elected as editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Morons? That's your term. Bush also did well at Yale, but the reality is you can indeed do Ok at Harvard law and not be that bright, or not apply that brightness that well.

I was once deposed as an expert witness by a graduate of Harvard law. I came away thinking he could be smart but he was an idiot as a lawyer.

[ANTPogo]

Me, I'm curious how Trump can say, all in the same interview, that Obama hasn't released his college transcripts revealing his academic performance, and that Obama couldn't have gotten into Harvard because he was such a bad student.

If he hasn't released his transcripts, how, exactly, does Trump know he was a bad student?

[Cleon]

Morons? That's your term. Bush also did well at Yale,

Er, no. Bush had a C average at Yale.


but the reality is you can indeed do Ok at Harvard law and not be that bright, or not apply that brightness that well.

OK, perhaps. Graduate juris doctor with magna cum laude? Call me skeptical.


I was once deposed as an expert witness by a graduate of Harvard law. I came away thinking he could be smart but he was an idiot as a lawyer.

Yes, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

[leftysergeant]

Morons? That's your term. Bush also did well at Yale, but the reality is you can indeed do Ok at Harvard law and not be that bright, or not apply that brightness that well.


I would really like to see some evidence of that. If true, it would probably involve something like "legacy admissions" (affirmative action for rich white boys with family pull) like what got the Shrub into Yale.

[PGH]

Morons? That's your term. Bush also did well at Yale, but the reality is you can indeed do Ok at Harvard law and not be that bright, or not apply that brightness that well.

I was once deposed as an expert witness by a graduate of Harvard law. I came away thinking he could be smart but he was an idiot as a lawyer.

To you: "Did well at Yale" = C student

"Not that bright" = graduated magna cum laude from Harvard


I can only imagine what the lawyer thought of you.

[randman]

I would really like to see some evidence of that. If true, it would probably involve something like "legacy admissions" (affirmative action for rich white boys with family pull) like what got the Shrub into Yale.
No, it's just studying law is a lot different than practicing law, and when I mentioned this experience to a lawyer friend, he commented he didn't think Harvard actually prepared lawyers that well for their practice.

I guess it depends on the field. If you are interested in Constitutional law, it's probably the place to be, or maybe something like finance or some other fields, but practicing law is very different and the specialties are very different.

I was deposed for about 5 hours, paid by the hour mind you, but it was a weird experience in that I actually knew a little of the law in this area (have to) and he was out to lunch in many respects and wasting his client's money and time. Moreover, nothing I had to say was critical for his case. I was there to support only a very small point which was never even challenged. Should have been 30 minutes.

Of course, he worked for the government so that maybe explains it.

[JamesDillon]

First time I heard that. Got a link to a story on that?

A simple search (https://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp) of the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission indicates that neither Barack nor Michelle Obama have active licenses to practice law in Illinois. Evidence of a vast Marxist conspiracy? No. There's this thing called Continuing Legal Education that nearly every state, including Illinois (http://www.mcleboard.org/), requires licensed attorneys to participate in. Basically, in order to keep your active law license in good standing, you have to attend a certain number of hours of seminars per registration period (in New York, a registration period is 2 years; don't know what it is in IL) in various practice-related fields. It's a big pain and it is not at all unusual for licensed attorneys who leave the active practice of law to let their license lapse so they don't have to keep attending CLE sessions and paying registration fees. Of course I don't know when the Obamas allowed their licenses to go inactive, so maybe there's more to the story than that, but I doubt it. Certainly the fact that their Illinois law licenses are no longer active now that they're no longer practicing law in Illinois is not at all unusual.

No, it's just studying law is a lot different than practicing law, and when I mentioned this experience to a lawyer friend, he commented he didn't think Harvard actually prepared lawyers that well for their practice.
That's certainly true, but it hardly follows from that that "you can indeed do Ok at Harvard law and not be that bright." In fact, I'd say it's just the opposite-- law school performance reflects raw intelligence much better than does success in the practice of law, where any number of factors (for example personability, intuition, relative strength of your client's case, etc.) can help or hinder a lawyer's success notwithstanding his intelligence or lack thereof. Law school exams are graded anonymously on an inflexible curve and are based almost exclusively on the ability to learn a complex body of academic law and apply it to hypothetical situations. High performance in law school means by definition that you're better at that kind of academic reasoning than is the majority of your student body peer group, and the Harvard student body tends not to be a low-performing group.

[leftysergeant]

To you: "Did well at Yale" = C student

"Not that bright" = graduated magna cum laude from Harvard


I can only imagine what the lawyer thought of you.I'm still a bit troubled with the concept of Randman as an "expert witness."

[PGH]

I'm still a bit troubled with the concept of Randman as an "expert witness."

In my head I'm thinking of certain subjects but I'll be civil.

[Taarkin]

Me, I'm curious how Trump can say, all in the same interview, that Obama hasn't released his college transcripts revealing his academic performance, and that Obama couldn't have gotten into Harvard because he was such a bad student.

If he hasn't released his transcripts, how, exactly, does Trump know he was a bad student?
He's black.

[Tricky]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.

[johnny karate]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.

Yes, but Obama is black.

[randman]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.
grade inflation.....

[headscratcher4]

Bush wasn't a great student at Yale -- got into Harvard MBA program though. So, clearly, Obama being at Harvard after (possibly) not being brilliant at Columbia isn't so far fetched. Neither is the possibility that a mediocre college career might not be a great indicator of how a student may do in graduate school. I've never heard anything negative about Bush's studies at Harvard, not far fetched, again, to imagine that Obama excelled in law school in a way he may never have as an undergrad.

Speaking of which, Obama --like Bush, and if it is true -- wouldn't be the first president who wasn't a star scholar as an undergrad. Nixon and Carter among the last 50/60 years were probably the best students, and there is more than a little controversy about their presidencey. Ford did ok at Michigan but got to Yale Law as much for his help coaching football as his academic brilliance. JFK wasn't a particularly great student -- that is without the help of people his father hired. -- Eisenhower, IIRC, was in the middle of the pack at West Point (but I could be wrong). Truman didn't go to college. LBJ wasn't a brilliant student. Nor was Reagan. I guess Bush Sr. did ok. Clinton was a good student.

Anyway, also have to keep in mind that George W. Bush, was a struggling white man. He had to pull himself up by his bootstraps to overcome generations of his family going to Yale. He had to work hard to achive average grades at Andover so that he could leverage his legacy status to get into Yale. Than, in the face of a campus dominated by priveledged American Africans (to seperate them from the African Americans whose anscestors along with the Spanish, Irish, German, Indian, Italian people who built this country) he had to rise to get gentlemen's Cs so he could rush Skull & Bones.

Yes, how George W. Struggled up from a priveledged wealthy patrician background to be president is a story for the ages... and, god know's, that woman who was his press secretary and Karl Rove certainly didn't write Bush's campaign biography for him...and I'm pretty sure that he personally wrote every word of his recently released memoirs.

Yep, it is a great American story of priveledge overcomeing priveledge to remain priveledge. If only Obama hadn't had all of the extra help along the way, maybe his story would be just as inspiring as George W's.

[PGH]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.

No mention? I'm betting he's Kenyan.

[leftysergeant]

No mention? I'm betting he's Kenyan.South African, actually.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Not just slavery. There is an argument for favoring families that were discriminated against, but merely promoting someone for the color of his skin is wrong, imo. Obama didn't come from an oppressed background. The idea the color of his skin means he should be granted preferential treatment is misguided.

Now we have our first affirmative action president, rode the color issue all the way to the White House, and his roots are not even in black America.

Again, you have a distorted notion of affirmative action. I assure you, Harvard doesn't have a policy of accepting unqualified applicants because of their ethnicity alone.

Your claim that "Obama got in because he was half-African" remains unsubstantiated.

Oh, and just to spell it our for you, I wrote "half African" because his Dad was African. Obama doesn't come from an
"African-American" or minority American family heritage.

First, you're conflating citizenship and ethnicity, I think. African-American means an American who descended from sub-Saharan Africans. Obama is an African-American in that regard. But affirmative action is about ethnicity and your silly Birther ideas aren't even remotely connected.

[leftysergeant]

grade inflation.....Explain that concept. Grade inflation usually just raises the supposed status of an entire class or university.

[JoeTheJuggler]

grade inflation.....

You're clearly grasping at straws. Obama graduated magna cum laude and you're claiming, "Obama got in because he was half-African"--with the clear implication that he was an unqualified applicant. (And if you have any issue with that implication, you explicitly mis-defined affirmative action as a program to allow for the admission of minorities with lower test scores and grades to get in.)

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

[Tricky]

Speaking of which, Obama --like Bush, and if it is true -- wouldn't be the first president who wasn't a star scholar as an undergrad. Nixon and Carter among the last 50/60 years were probably the best students, and there is more than a little controversy about their presidencey. Ford did ok at Michigan but got to Yale Law as much for his help coaching football as his academic brilliance. JFK wasn't a particularly great student -- that is without the help of people his father hired. -- Eisenhower, IIRC, was in the middle of the pack at West Point (but I could be wrong). Truman didn't go to college. LBJ wasn't a brilliant student. Nor was Reagan. I guess Bush Sr. did ok. Clinton was a good student.
It seems that Republicans aren't so picky about the grades of their candidates. After all, McCain finished next-to-last in class.

[JoeTheJuggler]

In fact, I think Trump and his defenders are merely backpedaling from Birther claims. Now anytime they're challenged with the facts, they switch topics from one false claim to the other.

[Newtons Bit]

It seems that Republicans aren't so picky about the grades of their candidates. After all, McCain finished next-to-last in class.

Yea, that's cuz the only other member of the class was Adam. (McCain is old)

[A Laughing Baby]

grade inflation.....

It baffles me that people are still responding seriously to you, when you're just not even trying.

[JoeTheJuggler]

It seems that Republicans aren't so picky about the grades of their candidates. After all, McCain finished next-to-last in class.

He had the disadvantage of being white, so cut him some slack.

;)

[Tricky]

He had the disadvantage of being white, so cut him some slack.

;)
Besides, grades don't matter that much in Military Schools. The important part is that he learned how to fly a plane without crashing it.

Right?

[PGH]

Yea, that's cuz the only other member of the class was Adam. (McCain is old)

:D The explanation of the joke is what's hilarious.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Besides, grades don't matter that much in Military Schools. The important part is that he learned how to fly a plane without crashing it.

Right?

And how not to crack under interrogation.

[timhau]

grade inflation.....

Exactly. For FSM's sake, they're giving good grades to negroes these days.

[PGH]

It seems that Republicans aren't so picky about the grades of their candidates. After all, McCain finished next-to-last in class.

I think it's hysterical that all the unfounded and untrue criticisms of Obama actually apply to McCain (foreign born, poor student) and they all hand wave that away.

[headscratcher4]

grade inflation.....

So, Geroge W's "C"s were really "D"s? :)

[Tricky]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.
grade inflation.....
Right. And since Obama is, by Trump's claim, sub-average, that means that more than half the class graduated Magna Cum Laude. How did they sneak that one by us?

[JoeTheJuggler]

So again, Randman, what do you have to support your as yet unsubstantiated claim, "Obama got in because he was half-African". In fact, the other side has already offered evidence that he most likely was a well-qualified applicant since he graduated magna cum laude.

Arguing that a lawyer you've met who graduated from Harvard Law School wasn't a good lawyer in your opinion doesn't even come close to substantiating your claim. First, we have to rely solely on your judgement of whether or not the guy you met was a bad lawyer, and second even if he was, how does his example transfer to Obama? He could have been someone who barely graduated (or didn't! you don't have to have a law degree and certainly not a doctorate to pass the Bar Exam and hang a shingle--and if he attended Harvard Law School he could truthfully say that he went to Harvard Law School), and his alleged incompetence would have no reflection on Obama's academic success at all.

[headscratcher4]

when I mentioned this experience to a lawyer friend, he commented he didn't think Harvard actually prepared lawyers that well for their practice.



Probably a lawyer who didn't get into Harvard...but thought he should have.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Right. And since Obama is, by Trump's claim, sub-average, that means that more than half the class graduated Magna Cum Laude. How did they sneak that one by us?

Er. . um. . Latin Honors inflation?

Or some variation of the Lake Woebegone effect?

[leftysergeant]

Besides, grades don't matter that much in Military Schools. The important part is that he learned how to fly a plane without crashing it.

I think there is a good case to blame him for three crashes out of the five airplanes he lost, and there was never much of an investigation into how he lost the last one.

Also, you are supposed to learn discipline at the Academy. Most of his problem, grade-wise, was from code of conduct violations due tohis vile temper. Somthing tells me that he is also a beneficiarie of the legacy system.

(Do you want to be the Navy officer who has to send an admiral's son home as a useless hothead?)

[Taarkin]

grade inflation.....
Durn coloreds, leering at our women and inflatin' our grades.

[JamesDillon]

I happen to know that you have to get a Grade Point Average of 3.8 or better to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I see no mention of Trump's grades when he got his BA in economics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. I'm betting he didn't graduate Magna Cum Laude.

The criteria for honors vary by university or department; there's no firm rule that magna = 3.8, and typically law school honors are determined by percentile rank rather than GPA. In Harvard's case (http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/handbook/rules-relating-to-law-school-studies/2010-2011-requirements-for-the-j.d.-degree-.html), the magna cum laude honor is awarded to the to 10% of the class after the summa cum laude recipients.

Interestingly, it appears (http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/bulletin/backissues/summer98/article2.html) that prior to 1999, Harvard Law School awarded honors to 3/4 of its graduating class. Of course that would include all honors, not just magna, but the article I linked implies that prior to 1999, the magna honor was awarded to more than the top 10% of the graduating class. I suppose that raises some question as to just how distinguished Obama's academic performance was, but it still seems a far cry from the possibility of being "not that bright."

[Biscuit]

I think it's hysterical that all the unfounded and untrue criticisms of Obama actually apply to McCain (foreign born, poor student) and they all hand wave that away.

True and while the rest of America is free of him those of us in AZ are still subject to his whims. The only reason I want him in office is because the people behind him are even worse and will win. Think J.D. Hayworth.

[PGH]

True and while the rest of America is free of him those of us in AZ are still subject to his whims. The only reason I want him in office is because the people behind him are even worse and will win. Think J.D. Hayworth.

Well I won't bring up McCain or Brewer if you don't bring up Santorum.

[daredelvis]

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is?I do, but I fail to see how it applies here.

It baffles me that people are still responding seriously to you, when you're just not even trying.He is trying. This is a legitimate line of thinking among many American's. Embarrassing.

Daredelvis

[Tricky]

Well I won't bring up McCain or Brewer if you don't bring up Santorum.
Yeah, well we Texans gave you Dubya. About the only person here who can be proud is... Now where the heck did Hokulele go?

[daredelvis]

Probably a lawyer who didn't get into Harvard...but thought he should have.
My thought exactly.

Also, you forget to mention the select few white male members of congress and the senate that were able to break through the glass ceiling of that old-African-American woman's club.


Daredelvis

[JoeTheJuggler]

I do, but I fail to see how it applies here.
This was directed to Randman who thinks Obama only got accepted to Harvard because he was "half-African" even though he did very well there.


He is trying. This is a legitimate line of thinking among many American's [sic]. Embarrassing.
No, it is not legitimate to claim that "Obama got in because he was half-African" in the absence of any supporting evidence.

[pgwenthold]

Bull flops. He got in because he's bright. You don't get elected president of Harvard Law Review on affirmative action.

I would like to point out that IF it were true that Obama did get into Columbia due to affirmative action, then instead of being a knock on him, it would be an illustration of the success of affirmative action!

The goal of affirmative action is to ensure equal opportunities for all people, including those that have circumstances that prevent them from having the same qualifications as others. The idea behind it is that when given the opportunity, these people can succeed just the same as those who had the privilege of the other circumstances.

Obama demonstrated by his success at Columbia and beyond that the opportunity he had was well-deserved. If it took affirmative action to do it, then good for affirmative action. A great success story!

Although I don't actually know it was affirmative action.

[JoeTheJuggler]

I would like to point out that IF it were true that Obama did get into Columbia due to affirmative action, then instead of being a knock on him, it would be an illustration of the success of affirmative action!

The goal of affirmative action is to ensure equal opportunities for all people, including those that have circumstances that prevent them from having the same qualifications as others. The idea behind it is that when given the opportunity, these people can succeed just the same as those who had the privilege of the other circumstances.

Obama demonstrated by his success at Columbia and beyond that the opportunity he had was well-deserved. If it took affirmative action to do it, then good for affirmative action. A great success story!


Well said. And contrast this take on affirmative action with that of randman:

Affirmative action was set up to admit "half African", black American, Hispanic, Native Indian and other minorities who have lower test score, grades, etc,....than white Americans, particularly white males.

One of these is a mischaracterization of affirmative action.

ETA: FWIW, I don't think any college admissions affirmative action policies are set up to prefer an unqualified applicant over a qualified applicant. The idea is that given a pool of qualified applicants, it is OK to prefer those qualified applicants who are minorities unless or until enrollment is roughly proportional (ethnically speaking) to the population.

[Biscuit]

Well I won't bring up McCain or Brewer if you don't bring up Santorum.

Bring it up? I won't even google "santorum."

Please leave russell pearce and Arpio out of it as well.

[headscratcher4]

Well said. And contrast this take on affirmative action with that of randman:



One of these is a mischaracterization of affirmative action.

ETA: FWIW, I don't think any college admissions affirmative action policies are set up to prefer an unqualified applicant over a qualified applicant. The idea is that given a pool of qualified applicants, it is OK to prefer those qualified applicants who are minorities unless or until enrollment is roughly proportional (ethnically speaking) to the population.

As importantly, it is completely arguable that at some point Obama passed out of the "affirmative action" catagory to one based on pure merit...for example, the Editor of the Harvard Law Review is an election by peers and generally based on demonstrated merit (among other meritorious individuals of the highest order). Don't hear about law review colleagues complaining -- including conservatives and republicans -- complaining that he was made editor based on "affirmative action".

[Mr. Purple]

He got in because he's black. If he was white, he wouldn't have gotten into Columbia, nor Harvard. These are not controversial statements. Obama doesn't pretend affirmative action didn't get him in so why are you?

I more or less have learned to ignore you Randman, but this is absolutely hysterically ludicrous.

Not to mention highly offensive. If you were to argue that one of our presidents had not earned all of their accomplishments, who clearly were not very well educated, then I am pretty sure you could start the list with a few others.

I will give you a hint, the first one has a Dubya in it.

Oh, my bad....is this "say-whatever-you-want-no-matter-how-ridiculous-day"?

[Mr. Purple]

I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright and doesn't seem very intellectually curious. His thinking on issues is relatively shallow, at least from what we've seen of his comments.

Sounds more like a sophomore in college than someone with years of thought and experience, but maybe he's hiding his real thoughts? I don't know, but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has.

Oh, ok...I get it now. You are just trolling us.
Good one. Shame on me for thinking a person that could turn on a computer, let alone operate it, would think these things.

[thaiboxerken]

I don't think Randman is trying to hide the racism in his posts.

[Ausmerican]

I don't think Randman is trying to hide the racism in his posts.

If he is he is specatacularly bad. Most birthers I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume they get all their news from FOX and dont hear the rebuttals. When you have witnessed someone wave away ALL the rebuttals multiple times, open blatent racism seems like the only possibility left.
MaGZ comes off as an inclusionist compared to randman.

[dropzone]

A very good reason lawyers might give up or suspend their licenses if they are not working as lawyers:

Neighbors and family.

"I know, Jane, but I can't help your son who was arrested for stealing a car. Y'see, I'm not licensed to practice in this state."

When they moved to Washington my father and my brother chose not to pass the Washington Bar because they weren't planning to practice there. My other brother did, so I still use him and his contacts in Illinois pro bono. Sucker!

[Regnad Kcin]

I was once deposed as an expert witness by a graduate of Harvard law. I came away thinking he could be smart but he was an idiot as a lawyer.As demonstrated by who the chap deposed as an "expert," perchance?

[EvilSmurf]

Barack Obama retired his law license since he wasn't in the active practice of law any more (and, as a career politician, was unlikely to return). He had no disciplinary actions, either past or pending, at the time he retired his license. He could have kept it, if he wanted - his law license was not going to be taken from him if he had decided to keep it.

Michelle Obama's license, on the other hand, is just in inactive status. She can reactivate it at any time, and continue to practice law if she wishes.

You can read about it all here (http://volokh.com/2010/04/05/massive-problems-with-anti-obama-allegations-that-have-been-making-the-rounds-recently/).

Man and woman give up expensive club membership they weren't using. Film at 11!

[Titanic Explorer]

even though Obama graduated with honors...

Now the gears in the right wing conspiracy community are turning, and they want to know why and how Obama was accepted into Harvard and Columbia.

The burden is on Trump and others who make such claims to provide
evidence to back it up- but what they do is pass off gossip as fact. 9/11 Truthers and Birthers do this all the time.
Bill O'Reilly does this all the time, prefacing his lies with 'some people say'...
Thats no different than using 'they' as the sourse for any claim. Who are 'they'?
(such as no planers who say 'they say noone actually saw planes hit the WTC).

[Zep]

They should be asked to specify which people say. Otherwise it's just ignorant hearsay...or made up crap.

[Alferd_Packer]

And how not to crack under interrogation.

His dad, the Admiral, taught him that.

[daredelvis]

I do, but I fail to see how it applies here.
This was directed to Randman who thinks Obama only got accepted to Harvard because he was "half-African" even though he did very well there.
Geezz... do I have to explain the joke? Cognitive dissonance... understand but fail to see....


He is trying. This is a legitimate line of thinking among many American's. Embarrassing.


No, it is not legitimate to claim that "Obama got in because he was half-African" in the absence of any supporting evidence.
I agree, but it is legitimate in the minds of said 'mericans. My phrasing was clumsy. You accused him of not even trying, but in his mind the case is already closed, therefore no effort is required. The sky is blue after all.


Daredelvis

[JoeTheJuggler]

Geezz... do I have to explain the joke? Cognitive dissonance... understand but fail to see....

Hmmm. . . too subtle for me, I'm afraid. (I guess I didn't get that "fail to see" was supposed to be a reference to holding 2 contradictory ideas in the mind at the same time.)

[BenBurch]

Er, no. Bush had a C average at Yale.

...

The allegation is that it was a "Gentlemen's C."

[BenBurch]

Besides, grades don't matter that much in Military Schools. The important part is that he learned how to fly a plane without crashing it.

Right?

Except for the one he (is alleged to have) crashed?

[logger]

I would like to point out that IF it were true that Obama did get into Columbia due to affirmative action, then instead of being a knock on him, it would be an illustration of the success of affirmative action!

The goal of affirmative action is to ensure equal opportunities for all people, including those that have circumstances that prevent them from having the same qualifications as others. The idea behind it is that when given the opportunity, these people can succeed just the same as those who had the privilege of the other circumstances.

Obama demonstrated by his success at Columbia and beyond that the opportunity he had was well-deserved. If it took affirmative action to do it, then good for affirmative action. A great success story!

Although I don't actually know it was affirmative action.

We just don't know do we.
Sure would like to see those records

[logger]

As importantly, it is completely arguable that at some point Obama passed out of the "affirmative action" catagory to one based on pure merit...for example, the Editor of the Harvard Law Review is an election by peers and generally based on demonstrated merit (among other meritorious individuals of the highest order). Don't hear about law review colleagues complaining -- including conservatives and republicans -- complaining that he was made editor based on "affirmative action".

Sure would like to see those records

[logger]

If he is he is specatacularly bad. Most birthers I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume they get all their news from FOX and dont hear the rebuttals. When you have witnessed someone wave away ALL the rebuttals multiple times, open blatent racism seems like the only possibility left.
MaGZ comes off as an inclusionist compared to randman.

i just wanna see the records

[daredelvis]

It gets better.
Let us take, as an example, the story of a student so obviously unqualified, so transparently unworthy, that a book was written about what his admittance into Harvard said about the sorry behavior of supposedly elite colleges.

That student -- that dull, below-average student who somehow made his way into Harvard -- was Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. (http://www.salon.com/news/donald_trump/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/26/trump_affirmative_action)
That is the kind of affirmative action that real Americans can get behind (at least the ones that ain't socialists).

Daredelvis

[BenBurch]

i just wanna see the records

Well, there is an antique store here that has records, but CDs sound better.

[Peephole]

Remember when Obama got elected and racism was over?

[JoeTheJuggler]

i just wanna see the records

Why? Do you doubt that Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School?

Aren't you interested in seeing Trump's records?

We all know he has something to hide--like that comb-over doesn't change the fact that he's a bald man.

[randman]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?

[Taarkin]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?
The criticisms based on his race are.

[thaiboxerken]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?

What do you base your criticism that Obama only got into the Ivy League because of his race on?

[Tricky]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?
No. Just the ones that suggest he only did "so and so" because he is black. The sort of suggestions you've made.

There are plenty of things to criticize Obama about. I'm not happy about Guantanamo, the caving on keeping the Bush tax cuts... lots of other stuff. But I neither blame that on him being black, nor cut him any slack because of his race.

[BeAChooser]

These sources suggests affirmative action was probably a factor in picking Obama to be President of the Harvard Law Review.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2679061


According to JBHE's (BAC - Journal of Blacks in Higher Education) latest survey, the Harvard Law Review was the only review at which blacks made up a larger percentage of the editorial board than of the student body at the law school. The Harvard Law Review has a long history of choosing black editors.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A9669582 60


First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review

... snip ...

February 6, 1990

... snip ...

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank.

... snip ...

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.


http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml


"Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition.

... snip ...

Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy."


So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his grades and competition scores and not on the basis of skin color? After all, (http://blackamericans.com/blogs/news/archive/2008/06/14/barack-obama-s-rise-has-americans-debating-whether-affirmative-action-has-run-its-course.aspx ) "in a 2000 interview with the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, Sen. Obama, then an Illinois state senator, said: 'I have no way of knowing if I was a beneficiary of affirmative action either in my admission to Harvard or my initial election to the [Harvard Law] Review.'" And remember the 1990 NY Times article on Obama that said "The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."

:D

[marplots]

So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his grades and competition scores and not on the basis of skin color?
:D

Exactly. Of course, you could also frame the question this way: So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his skin color and not on the basis of his grades and competition scores?

Pretty cool how not knowing something can be used to imply either side of a question.

[Skeptic]

Now that Obama attended a passover seder, Trump wants to see his Bar Mitzvah certificate...

Seriously, I don't think Trump himself believes a word of it. I think he's pulling our leg for the PR.

[EvilSmurf]

These sources suggests affirmative action was probably a factor in picking Obama to be President of the Harvard Law Review.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2679061



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A9669582 60



http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml



So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his grades and competition scores and not on the basis of skin color? After all, (http://blackamericans.com/blogs/news/archive/2008/06/14/barack-obama-s-rise-has-americans-debating-whether-affirmative-action-has-run-its-course.aspx ) "in a 2000 interview with the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, Sen. Obama, then an Illinois state senator, said: 'I have no way of knowing if I was a beneficiary of affirmative action either in my admission to Harvard or my initial election to the [Harvard Law] Review.'" And remember the 1990 NY Times article on Obama that said "The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."

:D

Let's say Obama becoming editor of the law review was completely 100% based on him being black. Still he was therefore intelligent enough to get into Columbia, get into Harvard Law School, make Law Review and graduate Magna Cum Laude.

[JoeTheJuggler]

So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his grades and competition scores and not on the basis of skin color?

Because, as I have explained several times, affirmative action doesn't let you give preference to an unqualified applicant over qualified applicants. He still had to be qualified based on grades and test scores and whatever other criteria Harvard uses.

[Tricky]

We just don't know do we.
Sure would like to see those records
You got your wish. Are you satisfied now?

[Cleon]

You got your wish. Are you satisfied now?

I'm gonna bet on "no."

[I Am The Scum]

These sources suggests affirmative action was probably a factor in picking Obama to be President of the Harvard Law Review.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2679061



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A9669582 60



http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml



So how do we know he was selected on the basis of his grades and competition scores and not on the basis of skin color? After all, (http://blackamericans.com/blogs/news/archive/2008/06/14/barack-obama-s-rise-has-americans-debating-whether-affirmative-action-has-run-its-course.aspx ) "in a 2000 interview with the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, Sen. Obama, then an Illinois state senator, said: 'I have no way of knowing if I was a beneficiary of affirmative action either in my admission to Harvard or my initial election to the [Harvard Law] Review.'" And remember the 1990 NY Times article on Obama that said "The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."

:D

It takes a very special mind to prattle on and on about what one does not know, and then, for some strange reason, to believe that it has arrived at a meaningful conclusion.

[thaiboxerken]

Birthers will claim it's a forgery.

[SkepticalDrew]

I really like the piece Anderson Cooper (though normally he's pretty annoying) did on the whole Birther debate. Especially his interview with Trump, who came off as an ass.

[JoeTheJuggler]

You got your wish. Are you satisfied now?

I think Logger's now talking about school records--following Trump's lead.

[Sledge]

Maybe Trump's wig slipped over his ears.

[beren]

Blacks are not smart enough for Harvard.

[headscratcher4]

Nor, apparently was Trump's son in law...but for a $2 million + donation from his tax evading father.

[I Am The Scum]

If Trump keeps getting his head stuck up his ass (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/27/donald-trump/trump-says-recent-cnn-poll-shows-him-competitive-c/), he's gonna have to name a chiropractor for VP.

I think, if I do run, I'll do very well. And I think -- look, I'm already leading the polls, and I'm not running. ... CNN did a poll recently where Obama and I are statistically tied. If you would like, I can send it to you. Just call up CNN.

Truth is, CNN has never run such a poll, and the only polls that showed Trump being slightly comparable with Obama were done back in February, before Trump let loose with the crazy.

[Captain_Swoop]

Thats no different than using 'they' as the sourse for any claim. Who are 'they'?
(such as no planers who say 'they say noone actually saw planes hit the WTC).

According to Bill Bailey 'they' are the Magic Wizards.

'they' also say thet the Enfanta's eyes are more beautiful than the famous stone of Galveston.
http://spiratronics.com/1-8mm-high-power-leds-16599-0.html

A scene from a sitcom but it's a good example of how people who listen to 'they' work.

[Ausmerican]

Personally, I will claim that I have heard that Donald Trump is a very smart guy.
I also heard that he did very well at the best schools in the country.
I have only ever heard it from Donald himself of course.
And every time I have heard him say it he usually follows it with something that makes me doubt it

[trvlr2]

Actually, I was hoping to find out where the portal is that leads into the alternate reality from which the extreme righties issue.

My boy, that will lead you directly to goatse!:D

[jaydeehess]

I heard that Donald Trump is one of the few Chairmen of the Board of a large casino (hired specifically for his "genius") that presided over said casino falling into bankruptcy.

[jaydeehess]

Maybe Trump's wig slipped over his ears.

Perhaps it was an errant headwind that did that:D

[Juniversal]

Blacks are not smart enough for Harvard.*tear rolls down cheek* Guess i'll stick to community college. ;)

[Unabogie]

*tear rolls down cheek* Guess i'll stick to community college. ;)

Dude, you claim to be black but where's the DNA test, huh?

[Juniversal]

Dude, you claim to be black but where's the DNA test, huh?I wear a size 13 shoe. And you know what they say about big feet. Hows that for proof?! ;)

[Juniversal]

On a similar note. Obama....show us your genitals!! Do we know if Obama is actually a man? Have you seen his penis?? What is he hiding? :boxedin:

[Skeptic]

Already, the conspiracy theorists are finding "problems" with the birth certificate. Ah well. No surprise there of course.

By the way -- did any of the birthers blame the Jews already for faking this birth certificate? It usually takes 0.0004 microseconds.

[Titanic Explorer]

funny how Trump makes these outragious claims that are outright lies, yet when asked to provide proof or sourses to back his claims, he cops and attitude, and claims he doesn't need to provide any evidence.
He'd make a great 9/11 Truther.

[Titanic Explorer]

My shoe is size 14, yet I'm endowed like a dwarf.
My x called me 'eraserhead', and wasn't refering to the head on my shoulders.
Big feet= big winkie is a myth

[Unabogie]

Where's the shoe certiticate?

[Zep]

Short-form shoe or long-form shoe?

[Unabogie]

Plus the signature of that dude at Footlocker.

[Juniversal]

My shoe is size 14, yet I'm endowed like a dwarf.
My x called me 'eraserhead', and wasn't refering to the head on my shoulders.
Big feet= big winkie is a mythThat sucks. Ladies call me statue of Liberty because how tall I stand. :D *cough*Ok. That's just a joke and i'm about as average as can be but don't tell anybody.*cough* http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/shifty1.gif

[Titanic Explorer]

That sucks. Ladies call me statue of Liberty because how tall I stand. :D *cough*Ok. That's just a joke and i'm about as average as can be but don't tell anybody.*cough* http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/shifty1.gif

I make a pencil eraser look big...

[Juniversal]

Ouch... Don't forget to eat your Wheaties. ;)

Oh and to stay on topic....Trumps hair looks like cotton candy and he is a clown. :)

[LordXenu]

On a similar note. Obama....show us your genitals!! Do we know if Obama is actually a man? Have you seen his penis?? What is he hiding? :boxedin:

There are birthers who actually want to see Obama's penis to check if he's circumcised because in their deranged minds that will show if he was born in the US or not:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/now-birthers-are-demanding-know-was

[marplots]

On a similar note. Obama....show us your genitals!! Do we know if Obama is actually a man? Have you seen his penis?? What is he hiding? :boxedin:

I think he is probably hiding his penis, just as you suspect.

[thaiboxerken]

funny how Trump makes these outragious claims that are outright lies, yet when asked to provide proof or sourses to back his claims, he cops and attitude, and claims he doesn't need to provide any evidence.
He'd make a great 9/11 Truther.

Or a Republican budget proposal writer.

[joobie]

If Trump keeps getting his head stuck up his ass (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/27/donald-trump/trump-says-recent-cnn-poll-shows-him-competitive-c/), he's gonna have to name a chiropractor for VP.

my guess is trump's choice for VP will be rick astley.

[Juniversal]

There are birthers who actually want to see Obama's penis to check if he's circumcised because in their deranged minds that will show if he was born in the US or not:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/now-birthers-are-demanding-know-wasThe "foreskinners". The lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. On a side note...I love the pic they used for the article. :D

[Travis]

Wait.........how is any of this relevant again?

[Fishstick]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?

I have yet to see criticism in this thread about Obama's actual actions, rather than his heritage, race, student past or who his friends are.

Because apparently that's what's important.

[Titanic Explorer]

Libs think criticism of Obama is racist by definition.....what else is new?


Much of it is racism. The Birther and teabagger cults drip with racism. Rush limbaugh and Glenn Beck have been extremely racist in their attacks on Obama.

[Almo]

Oh! rand"man" not rand"fan". I was wondering what had happened to randfan...

[EvilSmurf]

Oh! rand"man" not rand"fan". I was wondering what had happened to randfan...

Please do not compare RandFan (intelligent, sane, rational poster) with randman (foolish, insane, racist poster)

[BeAChooser]

Let's say Obama becoming editor of the law review was completely 100% based on him being black. Still he was therefore intelligent enough to get into Columbia, get into Harvard Law School, make Law Review and graduate Magna Cum Laude.

Are you aware that Attorney Percy Sutton, a rather well known civil rights attorney, said he received a letter from Dr. Khalid al Mansour, one of the richest men in the world, asking him to use his Harvard connections to help out an applicant to Harvard Law named Barack Obama? According to Sutton, per Dr. al Mansour’s request, he wrote to friends at Harvard, describing Obama, whom he had never met, as a “genius”. And may have paid for Obama's education. So perhaps *intelligence* had less than you think to do with Obama getting into Harvard? :D

Indeed, we have no proof whatsoever that "intelligence" had anything to do with Obama getting into Columbia, Harvard or making the Law Review. And just because he graduated Magna Cum Laude, doesn't mean he had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa cum laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. He could have had a C average and that might not have been hard to get given that Harvard had a well-documented history of inflating grades at the time. And Obama has refused to release either his Columbia or Harvard grades. Now why would he be reticent about that? :D

Now I'm not saying because of that Obama isn't intelligent. He certainly is slick ... almost slicker than Slick Willy. And slickness does require a certain intelligence. But I do have my doubts if we are talking about what most of us think of when we hear the word intelligent. Because I can show you clear examples where Obama either lied or he demonstrated that he isn't all that intelligent.

For example when he made his highly touted prime time health care speech in May of 2009 (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/22/transcript_of_obama_prime-time.html?wprss=44 ), he claimed "If we had done nothing, if you had the same, old budget as opposed to the changes we made in our budget, you'd have a $9.3 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Because of the changes we've made, it's going to be $7.1 trillion. Now, that's not good, but it's $2.2 trillion less than it would have been if we had the same policies in place when we came in." But the CBO March report (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:oyVgItwXLGwJ:www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/03-20-PresidentBudget.pdf+CBO+deficit+current+law+assump tions&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ) from which the $9.3 trillion number came, stated on it's very first page that "The cumulative deficit from 2010 to 2019 under the President's proposals would total $9.3 trillion, compared with a cumulative deficit of $4.4 trillion projected under the current-law assumptions embodied in CBO's baseline." It's there, clear as day and requires very simple math. A direct contradicton to what Obama claimed. Surely Obama and his economic advisors read that very important CBO report and did the math (we know they did because they'd talked about it and, as noted, the $9.3 trillion figure came from it). So either Obama and his economic advisors couldn't understand that very clear English sentence in the CBO report ... or Obama lied ... or he was fooled by his advisors. The first suggests a lack of intelligence, the second a liar, and the third extreme gullibility (which is also not a sign of intelligence). So which would you prefer? :D

[Cleon]

Are you aware that Attorney Percy Sutton, a rather well known civil rights attorney, said he received a letter from Dr. Khalid al Mansour, one of the richest men in the world, asking him to use his Harvard connections to help out an applicant to Harvard Law named Barack Obama? According to Sutton, per Dr. al Mansour’s request, he wrote to friends at Harvard, describing Obama, whom he had never met, as a “genius”. And may have paid for Obama's education. So perhaps *intelligence* had less than you think to do with Obama getting into Harvard? :D

Or perhaps this entire story is complete crap (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_camp_denies_Sutton_story.html).

[Biscuit]

Are you aware that Attorney Percy Sutton, a rather well known civil rights attorney, said he received a letter from Dr. Khalid al Mansour, one of the richest men in the world, asking him to use his Harvard connections to help out an applicant to Harvard Law named Barack Obama? According to Sutton, per Dr. al Mansour’s request, he wrote to friends at Harvard, describing Obama, whom he had never met, as a “genius”. And may have paid for Obama's education. So perhaps *intelligence* had less than you think to do with Obama getting into Harvard? :D

Lies.

Indeed, we have no proof whatsoever that "intelligence" had anything to do with Obama getting into Columbia, Harvard or making the Law Review. And just because he graduated Magna Cum Laude, doesn't mean he had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa cum laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. He could have had a C average and that might not have been hard to get given that Harvard had a well-documented history of inflating grades at the time. And Obama has refused to release either his Columbia or Harvard grades. Now why would he be reticent about that? :D

Well Documented yet you fail to do so? Also I am sure Harvard has a history of passing entire classes with below average grades thus allowing President Obama to sweep in with a C average for top honors. You are silly.

Now I'm not saying because of that Obama isn't intelligent. He certainly is slick ... almost slicker than Slick Willy. And slickness does require a certain intelligence. But I do have my doubts if we are talking about what most of us think of when we hear the word intelligent. Because I can show you clear examples where Obama either lied or he demonstrated that he isn't all that intelligent.

For example when he made his highly touted prime time health care speech in May of 2009 (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/22/transcript_of_obama_prime-time.html?wprss=44 ), he claimed "If we had done nothing, if you had the same, old budget as opposed to the changes we made in our budget, you'd have a $9.3 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Because of the changes we've made, it's going to be $7.1 trillion. Now, that's not good, but it's $2.2 trillion less than it would have been if we had the same policies in place when we came in." But the CBO March report (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:oyVgItwXLGwJ:www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/03-20-PresidentBudget.pdf+CBO+deficit+current+law+assump tions&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ) from which the $9.3 trillion number came, stated on it's very first page that "The cumulative deficit from 2010 to 2019 under the President's proposals would total $9.3 trillion, compared with a cumulative deficit of $4.4 trillion projected under the current-law assumptions embodied in CBO's baseline." It's there, clear as day and requires very simple math. A direct contradicton to what Obama claimed. Surely Obama and his economic advisors read that very important CBO report and did the math (we know they did because they'd talked about it and, as noted, the $9.3 trillion figure came from it). So either Obama and his economic advisors couldn't understand that very clear English sentence in the CBO report ... or Obama lied ... or he was fooled by his advisors. The first suggests a lack of intelligence, the second a liar, and the third extreme gullibility (which is also not a sign of intelligence). So which would you prefer? :D

Or (and I want to make sure you seated when I throw this out there) there is another theory. Are you seated? No sharp objects around? Ok...

He used a different set of numbers!!! Perhaps because also on page one is the following line

It includes a new economic forecast, updated bud-
get projections, and the agency’s work to date in analyzing the President’s budgetary proposals
for fiscal year 2010, as described in brief in the Office of Management and Budget’s A New
Era of Responsibility: Renewing America's Promise, released in February 2009. Once the Admin-
istration has released the details of those proposals, CBO will complete its analysis.

I know its a crazy theory but try it on for size.

[Tricky]

Are you aware that Attorney Percy Sutton, a rather well known civil rights attorney, said he received a letter from Dr. Khalid al Mansour, one of the richest men in the world, asking him to use his Harvard connections to help out an applicant to Harvard Law named Barack Obama? According to Sutton, per Dr. al Mansour’s request, he wrote to friends at Harvard, describing Obama, whom he had never met, as a “genius”. And may have paid for Obama's education. So perhaps *intelligence* had less than you think to do with Obama getting into Harvard? :D
What are your sources on this, BAC? I googled it, but all I come up with is right-wing hate sites. Not a single reputable source is carrying it. Maybe you should check the Washington Post.

[headscratcher4]

I am missing something important. What's the issue with Obama and Harvard and Columbia in the first place? He got in. He graduated. He was awarded "Magna Cum Laude" -- regardless of whether you view as inflated or not.

If he got in by affirmative action, so what? Bush got into Yale as a legacy. Kennedy got into Harvard because of Daddy.

Schools admit people all the time for a variety of reasons...including big donations like the way Trump's son in law got into Harvard. Brilliant people don't graduate, some times, like Gates.

These are prestigeous schools, certainly, but like all education it is what you do with it and what doors it opens for you.

Was Obama less deserving of a "Ivy" education than George W. Bush? I don't know. He got one. It helped open doors. It is what all schools do.

All of this whinning seems to me to be more about people who didn't get into Ivy leauge schools rather than the quality of Obama's mind or grades.

Hell, as I recall, FDR barely made it through Harvard (but I could be misremembering).

Eisenhower was in the middle of his class, I think.

This is a rediculous thing to be worried about...its like the birth certificate...no one can really dispute that he was there and graduated...the rest is meaningless details.

Oh, I'm sure the come back will be something like: He's a liar. He said he got in XYZ and his GPA was ABC! Proves his a commie socialist islamophile!

Seriously, if you'd seen the resumes I've seen over the last couple of years, grade inflation and self-promotion are the one skills all college graduates seem to share in common.

[headscratcher4]

What are your sources on this, BAC? I googled it, but all I come up with is right-wing hate sites. Not a single reputable source is carrying it. Maybe you should check the Washington Post.

Its like holocaust denile. If it is hateful of Obama it is true. If it can be verified by standard methods, it must be fake.

[I Am The Scum]

Or perhaps this entire story is complete crap (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_camp_denies_Sutton_story.html).

Thanks for the correction.

This, combined with BAC's attitude, really do a fantastic job of exposing the double-think so common with conspiracy theorists. You show them a mountain of evidence that Obama is American-born, and they deny it. "Not good enough," they say. Then, some confused old man says he tried to pay for Obama's tuition, and it's "Ah ha! That proves it! Gotchya!"

Conspiracy theorists hate critical thinking. It exposes them for the lunatics they are.

[A Laughing Baby]

A few relevant points about the Affirmative Action argument:

1) It has literally no bearing on anything of merit regarding Obama's eligibility.
2) Keeping #1 in mind, consider motivations for trying to establish it as truth.
3) See #1.

[JoeTheJuggler]

If he got in by affirmative action, so what?

Some people have a horribly distorted view of what affirmative action is. Randman thinks it means "Obama got in because he was half-African". Randman also seems to think affirmative action can give minorities who aren't qualified preference over qualified white guys.

I spent a long time in one leg of this merged thread trying to show Randman that saying Obama benefited from affirmative action is not the same as saying, "Obama got in because he was half-African".

Nor does it even mean that he could not possibly have gotten accepted without affirmative action.

[JoeTheJuggler]

A few relevant points about the Affirmative Action argument:

1) It has literally no bearing on anything of merit regarding Obama's eligibility.


And I note that both meanings of the ambiguity here are true: no bearing on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS and no bearing on Obama's eligibility for admission to the universities in question. (Again, affirmative action does not allow for giving preference to unqualified applicants over qualified applicants.)

[Dorian Gray]

I have seen no evidence that Obama is particularly bright and doesn't seem very intellectually curious. His thinking on issues is relatively shallow, at least from what we've seen of his comments.

Sounds more like a sophomore in college than someone with years of thought and experience, but maybe he's hiding his real thoughts? I don't know, but even though Bush wasn't that great, he displayed more knowledge of policy details than Obama has.
Bush's grades at Phillips Academy were average, yet he got into Yale. How is this possible? Huh? How is it that an average student got into a prestigious university like Yale? Why doesn't Bush release his academic records? Huh? Why? Why? WHYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/end imitation of moronic behavior

The Constitution says nothing about your grades, or what school you attended, or how you got into that school. Obama has proven he's a natural born citizen many times over, and there is ample evidence. Unless you are going to cry, moan and shriek about Bush's academic records, or any/every other president's academic records, then go sit in the corner and let the adults have a conversation.

[Dorian Gray]

And I note that both meanings of the ambiguity here are true: no bearing on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS and no bearing on Obama's eligibility for admission to the universities in question. (Again, affirmative action does not allow for giving preference to unqualified applicants over qualified applicants.)

Affirmative action certainly doesn't get you elected president. Run and tell that to your homeys, BAC-man Liar Overdrive.

ETA: I just realized the possibility that :D might be code for "Not intended to be a factual statement."

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Birthers will claim it's a forgery.

Bingo! (http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/)

[Ausmerican]

Affirmative action certainly doesn't get you elected president. Run and tell that to your homeys, BAC-man Liar Overdrive.

ETA: I just realized the possibility that :D might be code for "Not intended to be a factual statement."

Up til now I was just reading it as "Stuck on Stupid just like this smile" but I will now be reading it as NITBAFS.

Minutes until BaC complains about us and has these posts sent to AAH...3...2...1...

[marplots]

My shoulders are tired from all the shrugging I'm doing while reading the posts.

Let's say that Obama did get in through affirmative action. Isn't his election to the highest office of the land evidence that it worked? Shouldn't we allow opportunity for the best among us regardless of skin tone?

Or... is the case that Obama somehow just fell into largesse for his whole career path and would otherwise be an unknown country bumpkin?

I think it's a great insult to the American electorate to paint them as stupid or sheep when the majority doesn't vote the way you want. Whatever happened to that particularly American strength of saying, "The election is over. I will support the president and my nation?"

Argue policy, not personality or perceived character flaws.

[BenBurch]

It takes a very special mind to prattle on and on about what one does not know, and then, for some strange reason, to believe that it has arrived at a meaningful conclusion.

And the same NYT article he preens and crows over also says;

Mr. Yu said Mr. Obama's election ''was a choice on the merits, but others may read something into it.''

[BenBurch]

The "foreskinners". The lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. On a side note...I love the pic they used for the article. :D

No, they just want to find out if it is as huge as rumored. :D

[BenBurch]

Bingo! (http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/)

I'm stupider for having read that.

[Titanic Explorer]

Bingo! (http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/)

That site is nutcase central...
is there a conspiracy theory they don't buy into?

[hgc]

Donald Trump wants to clarify that he's "the least racist person there is." In fact, he says, he's so not-racist that Randal Pinkett, who is black, "won on The Apprentice a little while ago, a couple years ago, and Randal's been outstanding in every way."

Now Trump is reduced to denying racism on his part, in typically ham-handed (short-fingered?) fashion. Of all the negative memes attached to him over the years, that's not been one of them. Score one for self-inflicted wounds. It couldn't have happened to a nicer head of hair.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/donald-trump-im-not-racist----one-of-my-apprentice-winners-is-black.php

[Alferd_Packer]

meanwhile, Trump's poll numbers have fallen faster than his hairline on a windy day.

[TraneWreck]

Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review. I'm not sure the "poor grades" folks really understand what that means.

I didn't go to Harvard but I attended a law school that's generally ranked within a few spots of the Crimson depending on the source. Our grades weren't ostentatiously provided, but everyone was well aware of which people were going for the top spot. If a "poor" student had been named editor of the Law Review the entire place would have melted down (also, there are no poor students at Harvard Law).

I wish some of you could have sat through the hours long debates we had in every class before the final with people bitching about the format, what resource material we could use...etc. People at these law schools do not **** around. They take their grades very seriously. The notion that everyone at Harvard would just keep their mouth shut as a dullard was first allowed into their ranks than promoted to the top of the class despite performace is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

[hgc]

Here's the latest on what Trump "heard":

"I can see now why Ross Perot dropped out. You know, he dropped out of the race, and then he went back in a week later. But he dropped out of the race. And I heard from people that were involved that he was just getting hammered, because he did a lot. He did a lot of deals, a lot of everything. And he didn't like it. And I guess he had a second thought, and he went back in. But I can understand it, and it's certainly not that pleasant, but it's something I can handle."


What a load! The whole world was witness to the Perot campaign. We can all form an opinion as to whether and why he got "hammered." And the notion that it's because he "did a lot" is ludicrous. But even more so is this schmuck's continued claims to inside knowledge that simply doesn't exist.

Hey, Hair Boy! Where's the scoop on the "unbelievable" things your imaginary investigators uncovered in the birth certificate investigation?

[Titanic Explorer]

Here's the latest on what Trump "heard":




What a load! The whole world was witness to the Perot campaign. We can all form an opinion as to whether and why he got "hammered." And the notion that it's because he "did a lot" is ludicrous. But even more so is this schmuck's continued claims to inside knowledge that simply doesn't exist.

Hey, Hair Boy! Where's the scoop on the "unbelievable" things your imaginary investigators uncovered in the birth certificate investigation?


Trump is quite the gossip-he spreads baseless rumor as a way to tarnish the names of his enemies.
He's like the old spinster who spreads rumors that the young woman she hates is a slut.
I can play that game.
I 'heard' Trump has sex with farm animals. Can trump disprove this? If he can't disprove it, then it must be true.

[hgc]

Trump is quite the gossip-he spreads baseless rumor as a way to tarnish the names of his enemies.
He's like the old spinster who spreads rumors that that young woman she hates is a slut.
I can play that game.
I 'heard' Trump has sex with farm animals. Can trump disprove this? If he can't disprove it, then it must be true.


Well, it depends on your definition of sex. I heard that Trump fellates goats, but I don't know if that counts as sex.

[Tricky]

Trump is quite the gossip-he spreads baseless rumor as a way to tarnish the names of his enemies.
He's like the old spinster who spreads rumors that that young woman she hates is a slut.
I can play that game.
I 'heard' Trump has sex with farm animals. Can trump disprove this? If he can't disprove it, then it must be true.
If it got him better Neilson ratings, he probably would. I don't think there has ever been a media whore quite as brazen as Trump.

[Titanic Explorer]

Trump gets enraged if people mention they heard some of busineses have failed

[ANTPogo]

Thanks to my secret Obot connections (facilitated by Dr. Khalid al Mansour himself), I have obtained a copy of Obama's college transcripts. I don't see anything remotely suspicious about his classes or grades. Do you?

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/antpogo/ObamaTranscript.jpg

(I sometimes get the feeling that the people clamoring for Obama's college records actually think it would resemble something like the above.)

[BeAChooser]

Thanks to my secret Obot connections (facilitated by Dr. Khalid al Mansour himself), I have obtained a copy of Obama's college transcripts.

LOL!

(I sometimes get the feeling that the people clamoring for Obama's college records actually think it would resemble something like the above.)

Well if his policies are any guide ...

[EvilSmurf]

We all know how this is going to end, don't we?

Obama is going to wait until the idiocy peaks at its maximum level (probably about the same time a mainstream R candidate picks up on the "Just Asking Questions"), put on his trollface and release his records showing he was a very good to exceptional student.

[Titanic Explorer]

LOL!



Well if his policies are any guide ...

Well, his enemies are less than happy Osama bin laden was killed on his watch.
It contradicts the right wing spin that Obama & the Democrats are weak on defense..

[Arisia]

We all know how this is going to end, don't we?

Obama is going to wait until the idiocy peaks at its maximum level (probably about the same time a mainstream R candidate picks up on the "Just Asking Questions"), put on his trollface and release his records showing he was a very good to exceptional student.

And the birthers will then express doubt in the veracity of any evidence coming from Harvard, of course; it's not like it's the oldest university in the country, using 'Truth' as it's motto, right? :rolleyes:

[Travis]

LOL!



Well if his policies are any guide ...

You mean the real policies that don't curtail free trade and don't advance Communism in any way? Or the "imaginary" policies that have already turned the USA into the USSR?

[fishbob]

I make assessments in my day to day life, in business dealings, in deciding where to shop, who to buy from, who to work for. I have noticed that I tend to gravitate toward dealing with people who are not complete &^*#^ &#)#s smegmatic goat rectums. So what I want to know is why anybody would be willing to pay any attention at all to Trump? Much less consider him a legitimate candidate for anything other than perhaps world smegmatic goat rectum supreme commander.