Osama bin Laden dead,

[ProBonoShill]

God Damn I loved that speech (well except for the god BS). I wanted to run up, give Obama a high-five and hug him. :)

I now feel a little dirty.

:o

[LTC8K6]

Will the world equate these celebrations with the celebrations we complained about in the middle east?

[HumanityBlues]

I think it gets him 4 more years already.

If he tries to actually push it as an issue on which he should be re-elected, it could look bad.

He can use it best by just letting it lay, imo.

There's no real Republican opposition that I can see, and I can't stand Obama...

Good points.

[lionking]

Will the world equate these celebrations with the celebrations we complained about in the middle east?

That was my thought as well.

[Checkmite]

Osama bin Laden dead?

Let's see Donald Trump take credit for that!

He may demand to see the long-form death certificate.

[AdMan]

Will the world equate these celebrations with the celebrations we complained about in the middle east?


I am not sure which celebrations in the Middle East you are referring to that were complained about, but certainly the celebrations after Osama's death are justified. I don't think they will be complained about much, by anyone with much weight.

[geni]

Will the world equate these celebrations with the celebrations we complained about in the middle east?

Probably not. Apart from anything else Bin Laden's aproval rating appears to have been falling even further of late.

[portlandatheist]

God Damn I loved that speech (well except for the god BS). I wanted to run up, give Obama a high-five and hug him. :)

I now feel a little dirty.

:o

I felt exactly the same way

[Ron_Tomkins]

Uh... okay, apparently I'm the only one who thinks this means nothing. Just because they killed the leader of Al Quaeda doesn't mean Al Quaeda is gonna stop. This isn't some old cannibal tribe that stops fighting if they kill their boss. If anything, Al Quaeda now has a reason for revenge.

[Jimbo07]

Uh... okay, apparently I'm the only one who thinks this means nothing. Just because they killed the leader of Al Quaeda doesn't mean Al Quaeda is gonna stop. This isn't some old cannibal tribe that stops fighting if they kill their boss. If anything, Al Quaeda now has a reason for revenge.

One of the first commentaries I heard said that there's nobody in Al Qaeda "big enough" to step into the role as symbol. We'll see...

[Pardalis]

Let's gloat a little bit more...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/obama1.jpg

[Morrigan]

Uh... okay, apparently I'm the only one who thinks this means nothing. Just because they killed the leader of Al Quaeda doesn't mean Al Quaeda is gonna stop. This isn't some old cannibal tribe that stops fighting if they kill their boss. If anything, Al Quaeda now has a reason for revenge.

I understand your cynicism, but taking out the leader was not a trivial thing to do. Politically, it scores a whole lot of brownie points, and in the reality, well, it just shows Al-Qaeda that the USA's intelligence is improving and that not even their leader is safe. So I say, let them celebrate for a bit. :)

Also, this is the opportunity for many lolpics, such as the ones we've seen so far, plus this one I like:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2qkik2d.jpg

:D

The part of the news I enjoy the most are the funny pics... does this make me a bad person? :boxedin:

[EventHorizon]

The part of the news I enjoy the most are the funny pics... does this make me a bad person? :boxedin:

If it does, then I'm a bad person too.

[geni]

One of the first commentaries I heard said that there's nobody in Al Qaeda "big enough" to step into the role as symbol. We'll see...

Ayman al-Zawahiri almost certianly is. However at this point he's pretty much the last of the legacy al-Qaeda leaders left standing.

[LTC8K6]

I am not sure which celebrations in the Middle East you are referring to that were complained about, but certainly the celebrations after Osama's death are justified. I don't think they will be complained about much, by anyone with much weight.

The 9/11/01 celebrations, of course.

Additionally there seem to be celebrations and candy whenever a jew is killed in a terrorist op, such as the massacre of that family recently. They are not paid much attention to here, it seems.

But specifically the 9/11 ones that were heavily broadcast here in the US as evidence of what rotten folks the muslims were.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Here's what I'm wondering

1.) Since this will get nonstop media attention round the clock to the exclusion of everything else: What will the government do while none of us are looking? Will they ram unpopular bills through.

They could ram through the internet kill switch, they could ram through some kind of online national ID card system (which they had proposed requiring all citizens to have an ID card to go online), and so forth.

2.) Could this be used to justify all of the ugliest policies of both Administrations. After all, Osama's dead, and they might argue that the Patriot Act, Torture, Warrantless Wiretapping, and rendition were instrumental. The Patriot act will get renewed without opposition.

What are your opinions?

I think that the US government now has more time and energy to hunt down terrorist sympathizers at home.

3.) Will terrorists try to take a whack at us in revenge for the loss of their leader?

Which leaders death were they avenging on 9/11/2001?



INRM
No matter how I die, it was murder. Should I disappear, it's obvious who did it ;)

This is disgusting and offensive. I don't know why you keep posting it.

[Zep]

Ayman al-Zawahiri almost certianly is. However at this point he's pretty much the last of the legacy al-Qaeda leaders left standing quaking with fright in a muddy hole high in the hills of Pakistan.ftfy

[Ausmerican]

Uh... okay, apparently I'm the only one who thinks this means nothing. Just because they killed the leader of Al Quaeda doesn't mean Al Quaeda is gonna stop. This isn't some old cannibal tribe that stops fighting if they kill their boss. If anything, Al Quaeda now has a reason for revenge.

Big Picture: Al Qaeda. It perhaps means nothing overall.
Smaller Picture: 9/11. The main reason most wanted him IMO. It means a lot. Ask some of the victims families what they feel it means.

[LTC8K6]

9/11 truthers must now condemn this war crime against an innocent man....

[Normal Dude]

Symbolism. It cuts both ways. Their symbol of resistance just got shot in the head.

If there was a Hell, I hope he'd rot in it.

[HumanityBlues]

http://i.imgur.com/TMNm7.png

[geni]

Uh... okay, apparently I'm the only one who thinks this means nothing. Just because they killed the leader of Al Quaeda doesn't mean Al Quaeda is gonna stop. This isn't some old cannibal tribe that stops fighting if they kill their boss. If anything, Al Quaeda now has a reason for revenge.

It's not going to make much sort term difference to the on the ground activities of al-Qaeda franchise groups. PR wise it's not good though. The ultimate thumb in the eye for the US is now gone.

[The Fool]

Just do a Google search on Osama Bin Laden's dead body. It's the second pic on the images page.

Steve S
any photos are rubbish. No photo will be released for quite some time....much to the delight of the conspiracy theorists.


Osama Not really dead....Living with Elvis.....you heard it here first!

[Ron_Tomkins]

Big Picture: Al Qaeda. It perhaps means nothing overall.
Smaller Picture: 9/11. The main reason most wanted him IMO. It means a lot. Ask some of the victims families what they feel it means.

True. I don't deny it means a huge victory for the 911 victims, emotionally speaking.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Will the world equate these celebrations with the celebrations we complained about in the middle east?

If the world can't tell the difference, @#$% 'em.

[LTC8K6]

That popular photo is pretty clearly a photoshop, imo.

You can look at other photos of Bin Laden and see that he should look much older. Check the wiki photo from a 1997 interview, for example.

There's also a 2007 or earlier still where Bin Laden has considerably more gray hair than in the supposed death photo.

http://www.journeywithjesus.net/Essays/Osama_bin_Laden.jpg

[Ziggurat]

There's also a 2007 still where Bin Laden has considerably more gray hair than in the supposed death photo.

What, they don't have hair dye in Pakistan?

I have no idea whether the photo is real. But the fact that his hair isn't grey is hardly disqualifying.

[Noztradamus]

Wait, they're going to respect Islamic burial procedures for OBL's body?
~~~

I think that means they tie a rope around it and drag it through the streets behind a truck first.

[LTC8K6]

What, they don't have hair dye in Pakistan?

I have no idea whether the photo is real. But the fact that his hair isn't grey is hardly disqualifying.

He doesn't seem to color his hair, but it's not just the hair.

Look at the progression from pic to pic. He looks quite young in the death photo. He looks much like the 1997 wiki pic.

[LTC8K6]

http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg

Picture used to create the death pic?

[Number Six]

It's a long thread so I can't read all of it but I can't help but wonder, has anyone suggested that John Edward or James Van Praagh or Sylvia Browne get in touch with ObL on "the other side" to get his version of the story?

[EventHorizon]

http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg

Picture used to create the death pic?

Might be but the hair in that one is a bit grayer than the hair in the death picture. I'm seeing that the death picture is being reported as a fake now, not that we all didn't suspect it already.

[leftysergeant]

I just booted up my compuuter and there on my internet welcome screen is the headline that US forces have killed Osama bin Laden and recovered his body.

To the conspiracy theorists and to the drongos of the previous administration, NEENER NEENER NEENER.

[LTC8K6]

Might be but the hair in that one is a bit grayer than the hair in the death picture. I'm seeing that the death picture is being reported as a fake now, not that we all didn't suspect it already.

I think it's an exact match, when the resolution is taken into account.

[Quad4_72]

Lol two threads in this section have already been moved and merged. You are a little late there lefty haha.

[leftysergeant]

Oops. Should have scrolled down a little further. The topic lines looked so much alike. Guess I already know what Obama was getting ready to speak about when I last turned off the radio.

[leftysergeant]

It does show that Obama can manage military and intelligence resources a little better than did the drongo he replaced.

[Pardalis]

What, they don't have hair dye in Pakistan?

They've got it in Egypt, just ask Mubarak.

[Grizzly Adams]

Not really surprised you speak of the wealthy in the same terms you speak of a mass murderer.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

To the conspiracy theorists NEENER NEENER NEENER.

Odd sentiment coming from a conspiracy theorist.

[LTC8K6]

http://windowintopalestine.blogspot.com/2010/11/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin.html

Death pic is indeed old.

[LTC8K6]

Yep, it's the pic I thought it was. They just flipped it.

[geni]

hmm well at least some muslims are somewhat upset. Makes mildly interesting reading:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/osama-bin-laden-killed-45497/

[alfaniner]

"5/11".

[Hallo Alfie]

6' 4" I believe.

[Beerina]

He's already been buried at sea, for the purpose of not allowing his grave site to be a shrine.

[Coolhat]

Wait, they're going to respect Islamic burial procedures for OBL's body?

WTF?!

Grind him into fish bait. Feed him to pigs.

I was under the impression that USA (and western civilization in general) would have grown out of things like ritualistic corpse desecration, but I guess I was wrong.

Why not drag the corpse around the country behind a pick up truck and let people urinate on it? Make sure the mobs have plenty of them Islam flags to burn too.

[CelticRose]

American Baptist minister Robert Wadsworth Lowry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadsworth_Lowry) said it best in 1896, I think:

When tyrants tremble in their fear
And hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near
How can I keep from singing?
Damn, I teared up at that. I had the same song running through my head when they got Saddam.

I'm regretting that I only have a small amount of vodka in the house. I'll have to remedy that as soon as the corner drugstore opens. I think this occasion calls for splurging on Jack Daniels.

I'd rather that they had captured him and locked him up and thrown away the key, but I fully realize that taking him alive may have been an impossibility. I'm just glad they got him.

[alfaniner]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1714dbe660046074.jpg

[dtugg]

So apparently the way they figured this out was through tracking a courier. The courier was give up by detainees at Gitmo. I wonder if this information was obtained through an "enhanced" interrogation.

Detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

American intelligence officials said Sunday night that they finally learned the courier’s real name four years ago, but that it took another two years for them to learn the general region where he operated.

Still, it was not until August when they tracked him to the compound in Abbottabad, a medium-sized city about an hour’s drive north of Islamabad, the capital.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/02reconstruct-capture-osama-bin-laden.html?hp

[Aepervius]

Now that the witch is dead, maybe the USA will tone down the paranoia agaisnt air traveler a bit ?

[Toke]

Congratulations on the kill, it has been a long time comming. :)

[Marduk]

Turn me on? No. It would make the news even better though. I hope US special forces busted in his house, shot him in the stomach and let him bleed out while feeding him pork.

you shouldn't say bad things about people, you're only bringing yourself down to his level
:D

[leftysergeant]

Can we have this sent to AAH? I missed seeing the threads farther downb the page when I came home from work. Seems some people are not handling victory for the good guys too well.

[gumboot]

This is a momentous event. The actual removal of Bin Laden from the world of Radical Islam will not make any profound changes to that battle; it existed long before he turned up and will exist long after he is dust, but this will have a profound psychological impact in the west, and in particular in the USA.

As a symbolic gesture, this raid has enormous impact. I am impressed with the US President for having the courage and persistence to select a goal and stick to it. And most importantly, a general salute to the intelligence staff and military personnel that made this a reality.

[Aepervius]

Somehow, the victory seems hollow without a trial, but the victory is rendered no less sweet by the justice delivered by the dedicated military forces of the United States of America.

I raise my glass to these fine military men and women, and to those who lead them.

Hooray for OUR side!

Although I am glad he is dead , you should not mismatch this for a victory. It is only a revenge. To have been promoted from revenge to victory, he would have had to be captured alive, brought back to the USA, condemned to death after a fair trial (my tip on the means of execution : let him drop from an helicopter overing at the height of the two tower rooftop was). As it stand , he was only killed. In the end , if one tally the number of victim, patriot act , DHS, paranoia, and so on, I feel sadly, however I dislike it, that the advantage is still Bin Laden.

That said, good riddance, and now hopefully can the American folk heal their trauma.

[Clayton Moore]

CBS News said he was buried at sea?
WTF?
Oh brother.

[gumboot]

That said, good riddance, and now hopefully can the American folk heal their trauma.


This and other associated psychological and emotional benefits is precisely why this is such a profound victory.

[Aepervius]

He knew he wouldn't be able to resist the porn.

Steve S

I heard that "goatse" watching dropped after he went into hidding :).

[Aepervius]

(ission accomplished picture with obama's visage)

Can we nominate picture ? This one has my vote :D.

ETA or this one :

(birther joke picture)

[Toke]

Are there any informations on whether he had the organisation membership records about his person? ;)

[Zep]

Are there any informations on whether he had the organisation membership records about his person? ;)He was probably behind on the overdue membership dues catch-up. Not enough cash in the kitty to buy morning-coffee and a cookie!

[Aepervius]

One of the first commentaries I heard said that there's nobody in Al Qaeda "big enough" to step into the role as symbol. We'll see...

As far as I undestand bin laden has been "out" for a long time, with the terrorist cell splintering into small group, making them harder to trace than a big organized one which need to communicate and thus are eqasier to pinpoint.

[Orphia Nay]

He's already been buried at sea, for the purpose of not allowing his grave site to be a shrine.

Damn, now I can't go and spit on it. ;)

(Keeping the celebrations going on this side of the world! :alc:)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I just talked with my mom on the phone.

Me: Did you hear, Bin Laden is dead?

Mom: Wasn't he the one responsible for 7-Eleven?

Me: Lol!

[Eddie Dane]

Somewhere in Pakistan, there's a semi-innocent goat who is now a widow.

Ok, everybody chip in so we can send the poor thing some banana peels.

[psionl0]

So who gets the reward? (Or did that offer disappear with Dubya's presidency?)

[Father Dagon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/osama-bin-laden-is-killed.html?_r=1&hp

I hope he had a very slow and painful death.Probably not, unless he was shot with a slow bullet in the eye(?)

Anyway, it's time to PARTY HARD on teh interwebs!

[dtugg]

So who gets the reward? (Or did that offer disappear with Dubya's presidency?)

The $27M reward ($25M from the State Department and $2M from the Airline Pilots Association) reward is still listed on the FBI website. But I dunno if anyone will get it seeing as how the intelligence used to find him originated from Gitmo detainees.

[dtugg]

Probably not, unless he was shot with a slow bullet in the eye(?)

Anyway, it's time to PARTY HARD on teh interwebs!

Yeah. Too bad.

[Keeper]

Arsenal supporter apparently.

Mixed day for him yesterday then.

[ddt]

This is truly the end of an era. Who will replace him? (http://i.imgur.com/1krKD.png)

Hide and Seek Champion? No way. Ratko Mladic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratko_Mladi%C4%87) is at large since 1995 - probably assisted in hiding by influential elements in the Serbian military, and it is confirmed he spent some time at a Serbian military base.

Anyway: good riddance and kudos to the US intelligence and special ops for taking him out.

[Captain_Snort]

He's already been buried at sea, for the purpose of not allowing his grave site to be a shrine.

According to homeopathy, does that not make the oceans terrorists?

[thaiboxerken]

I have quite a few Conservative friends on facebook congratulating the President for this....President Bush......huh?

[Furcifer]

The $27M reward ($25M from the State Department and $2M from the Airline Pilots Association) reward is still listed on the FBI website.

1. collect sea water
2. mail to FBI
3. profit

[Hercules Rockefeller]

From the view of an eventual recipient of the reward, I could definetely see a point in keepin that information confidential.

[Bob Blaylock]

It seems fitting to play this song on this occasion.

“Have You Forgotten” by Darryl Worley.

p6yLQRF-cEU

[dafydd]

I just woke up and heard the good news. All praise to the brave soldiers who did the job.

[dafydd]

It is almost too bad there is no Hell. The thought of that piece of **** being completely shocked at arriving in Hell instead of being greeted by 72 virgins in paradise is hilarious.

The 72 virgins could be 80 year old Catholic nuns.

[dafydd]

9/11 truthers must now condemn this war crime against an innocent man....

I bet that Java Man will turn up and say that he was killed with thermite.

[Eddie Dane]

I'm actually looking forward to the pathetically tortured logic behind the next conspiracy theories.

Won't be long now.

[applecorped]

Party's over, back to work.

[Hutch]

This is a momentous event. The actual removal of Bin Laden from the world of Radical Islam will not make any profound changes to that battle; it existed long before he turned up and will exist long after he is dust, but this will have a profound psychological impact in the west, and in particular in the USA.

As a symbolic gesture, this raid has enormous impact. I am impressed with the US President for having the courage and persistence to select a goal and stick to it. And most importantly, a general salute to the intelligence staff and military personnel that made this a reality.


Concur with the above.

John Donne once wrote that "any mans' death diminishes me"....in this case, however, I'll make an exception--I am not in the slightest bit diminished by this SOB's death.

Of course, with the body now fish food, the conspiracy folks on all sides will be out "proving" that (1) He's not dead or (2) He's been dead for years and this was an Obama 'false flag' operation.

[dafydd]

Removed breach of Rule 12

[JihadJane]

Turn me on? No. It would make the news even better though. I hope US special forces busted in his house, shot him in the stomach and let him bleed out while feeding him pork.

Have you got yourself waterboarded properly yet, BTW?


Footage from the crowd outside the White House. Some very proud Americans

Proud of what?

[Monketey Ghost]

I joined a newsgroup after 9/11. It was what led me to JREF forums.

Today happens to be the anniversary of my marriage to my lovely wife. An odd sort of gift... the man did nothing to me personally, so I can't cheer his deathmuch more than I already have and will only agree with Clemens that I read his obituary with pleasure.

[Cainkane1]

Bin Ladens dead. Too bad. It should have happened sooner.

[dafydd]

Have you got yourself waterboarded properly yet, BTW?




Proud of what?

Killing a bastard.

[Cainkane1]

I had no idea that the Libyan war was going that badly.
Now we need to get gadaffie.

[Belz...]

Does the thought turn you on?

Right. I'm glad he's gone, but I _don't_ hope he suffered out of a desire for revenge. But some people have a mean streak.

[Belz...]

Most sincerely dead...

So he isn't mostly dead ? Good.

[Belz...]

I bet that Java Man will turn up and say that he was killed with thermite.

Could be worse. Christophera could log on with a sockpuppet account and say he had a concrete core.

[Just thinking]

It does show that Obama can manage military and intelligence resources a little better than did the drongo he replaced.

Purely stupid, knee-jerk comment ...

Intelligence on this matter originated under Bush.

Both men deserve much credit.

If you can't resist the urge to comment on stupidity and arrogance, perhaps you should consider Karzai of Pakistan.

[JihadJane]

Killing a bastard.



How does that evoke "pride"?

[dafydd]

How does that evoke "pride"?

Proud of the brave guys who carried it out. I'm sorry for you that your pin up boy is dead.

[Monketey Ghost]

I've been thinking... instead of celebrating the death of an *******, we should be celebrating the lives of the people his idiotic machinations killed.

He's just another dead *******. His death doesn't bring back those he killed.

Interestingly, his whole cause is fruitless from the start: the small number of people who believe as he did, will never get what they want: a world as backward as it was in the twelfth century. That will never happen, they couldn't make it so if their ranks swelled tenfold because of the loss of their idiotic leader.

We were victorious before he killed his first innocent: we move forward with time, and he wanted to turn back the clock~ and it only goes in the one direction.

Edited, breach of rule 10; please do not curse in your posts or mask such works in an attempt to avoid the auto-censor.

[EchoWars]

How does that evoke "pride"?I'm sure 'pride' is not quite the correct word. 'Joy' or 'Jubilation' perhaps. After years of searching for this mass-murderer, I think it's perfectly understandable. I'd certainly not join in (not my thing to celebrate the death of anyone, however deserving), but I'd certainly not begrudge those crowds their wingding.

[thaiboxerken]

Purely stupid, knee-jerk comment ...

Intelligence on this matter originated under Bush.

Both men deserve much credit.

If you can't resist the urge to comment on stupidity and arrogance, perhaps you should consider Karzai of Pakistan.

Didn't Bush give up on capturing Osama?

[dafydd]

I've been thinking... instead of celebrating the death of an *******, we should be celebrating the lives of the people his idiotic machinations killed.

He's just another dead *******. His death doesn't bring back those he killed.

Interestingly, his whole cause is fruitless from the start: the small number of people who believe as he did, will never get what they want: a world as backward as it was in the twelfth century. That will never happen, they couldn't make it so if their ranks swelled tenfold because of the loss of their idiotic leader.

We were victorious before he killed his first innocent: we move forward with time, and he wanted to turn back the clock~ and it only goes in the one direction.Moderated content edited.
True. Also they had his body to bury or whatever. Many of the families of the victims of 911 had no body to bury.

[EchoWars]

Didn't Bush give up on capturing Osama?
I don't believe so...I think he simply tried to minimize its importance after it looked like it might not ever happen.

[lionking]

How does that evoke "pride"?

Were you proud of bin Laden's achievements?

[thaiboxerken]

Seems quite a stretch to give Bush any credit for this.

[EchoWars]

Seems quite a stretch to give Bush any credit for this.Just as much of a stretch to give Obama any credit...he just happens to be the man in the White House when it happened.

...unless we're being lied to, and Obama actually is a Navy Seal and took part in the raid.

[dafydd]

Were you proud of bin Laden's achievements?

I think that her handle 'Jihad Jane' will provide a clue to the answer.

[Skeptic]

Interestingly, his whole cause is fruitless from the start: the small number of people who believe as he did, will never get what they want: a world as backward as it was in the twelfth century.

Twelfth? That was the golden age of Islamic scholarship, trade, and science -- by no means some sort of modern democracy, but better for most people than what Europe was at the time.

Try 7th century, that's more like it.

[dtugg]

Seems quite a stretch to give Bush any credit for this.

Well, the intelligence originated from Gitmo detainees when Bush was President. Maybe extracted using "enhanced" methods.

[The Fool]

Well, the intelligence originated from Gitmo detainees when Bush was President. Maybe extracted using "enhanced" methods.
Maybe Bin laden was sending them birthday cards?

[Eddie Dane]

Hamas condemns killing of "holy warrior" bin Laden

GAZA (Reuters) – The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of Osama bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior."
"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/wl_nm/us_binladen_palestinians_hamas_1)

[JihadJane]

Proud of the brave guys who carried it out. I'm sorry for you that your pin up boy is dead.

He's not my pin-up boy though I understand how such a simplistic notion might appeal to you ;)

Were you proud of bin Laden's achievements?

What do you regard as his achievements?

~~~~~~

Were you proud of bin Laden's achievements?
I think that her handle 'Jihad Jane' will provide a clue to the answer.

Perhaps you need a more sophisticated evidence gathering technique!

[The Fool]

Were you proud of bin Laden's achievements?
oh good grief......

[Just thinking]

Didn't Bush give up on capturing Osama?

No. He did however note that his death might not be the most important victory in fighting terrorism. Pretty much what Obama made clear in his speech last night as well.

[dafydd]

He's not my pin-up boy though I understand how such a simplistic notion might appeal to you ;)



What do you regard as his achievements?

~~~~~~



Perhaps you need a more sophisticated evidence gathering technique!

Perhaps you need to get out more.

[dtugg]

Maybe Bin laden was sending them birthday cards?

I am not sure what this is supposed to mean. But apparently they found Osama by tracking a trusted courier of his. A courier who was given up by Gitmo detainees and was a protege of KSM.

[lionking]

Our own Aussie Gitmo detainee, Mandoub Habib, weighs in:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/ex-guantanamo-bay-detainee-mamdouh-habib-says-bin-laden-death-wont-stop-war/story-e6frfku0-1226048406780

THE death of Osama bin Laden will not end the war on terror and there is no evidence he masterminded the September 11 attacks, former Guantanamo Bay detainee Mamdouh Habib says.
"America is the war on terror, George Bush is the war on terror," Mr Habib said today in Sydney.
"What, you think with Osama bin Laden dying there won't be war any more?
"There is no evidence he was a terrorist."


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/ex-guantanamo-bay-detainee-mamdouh-habib-says-bin-laden-death-wont-stop-war/story-e6frfku0-1226048406780#ixzz1LC5pCA1K

[Bilbo]

Hopefully we can leave Afghanistan now.

[JihadJane]

Perhaps you need to get out more.

Why?

[EvilSmurf]

I normally don't cheer anyone's death, but in this case I make an exception. In fact, I will personally see to it as best as I can that the men responsible for this never have to pay for another drink in their life.

[CTer Impersonation]
Isn't it a coincidence that he dies the day after Seth Meyers made a joke at the white house correspondents dinner telling people he knew of Osama's whereabouts?
[CTer Impersonation]

Although now that I think of it, I really want to see Obama's reaction to that joke again, since apparently OBL has been dead a week... and I would assume the President would know that. I also love, love, love that the announcement of OBL's death pre-empted... The Celebrity Apprentice!

[lionking]

oh good grief......

Okay. I bet I don't get an answer though. He was the mastermind behind 9/11. I would like JJ to condemn this, but won't hold my breath.

[egslim]

Intelligence on this matter originated under Bush.

Both men deserve much credit.
For taking almost 10 years to kill one guy?

Good thing he's dead, but it's an embarassment it took this long.

[thaiboxerken]

Just as much of a stretch to give Obama any credit...he just happens to be the man in the White House when it happened.

...unless we're being lied to, and Obama actually is a Navy Seal and took part in the raid.

By this logic, Osama wasn't responsible for the WTC attacks.

[dtugg]

For taking almost 10 years to kill one guy?

Good thing he's dead, but it's an embarassment it took this long.

Finding one person is like finding a needle in a haystack; it can be almost impossible if he is careful enough. It could have easily been that they never found him and it wouldn't really be anybody's fault.

[JihadJane]

Okay. I bet I don't get an answer though. He was the mastermind behind 9/11. I would like JJ to condemn this, but won't hold my breath.

You haven't told me what you think his achievements were yet.

[dafydd]

You haven't told me what you think his achievements were yet.

He asked you first.

[lionking]

You haven't told me what you think his achievements were yet.

What do you think about bin Laden? A terrorist or not?

I await further evasion.

[leftysergeant]

:dl:

OMFSM, that has to be a spoof.Have you forgotten the time that they identified that drongo who "went hiking the Appalachian Trail" as a Democrat?

Happens too bloody often.

[Eddie Dane]

Why?

because then you can ask people rhetorical questions and give them obtuse answers face-to-face.

[dafydd]

His main achievement was killing lots of innocent people. Your turn Jane.

[EchoWars]

By this logic, Osama wasn't responsible for the WTC attacks.So you're suggesting that Obama personally planned the raid? Because Osama did plan 9/11, and assisted with its financing. As for the military mission, all Obama did was give the go-ahead. The only way in increase Osama's involvement in 9/11 would be to put him on one of the planes. The only way to decrease Obama's involvement in his death would be to have someone else in the White House.

This is a silly argument. :rolleyes:

[dtugg]

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[thaiboxerken]

Are you suggesting that the Commander in Chief didn't authorize financing this raid?

[dafydd]

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[JihadJane]

What do you think about bin Laden? A terrorist or not?

I await further evasion.

Have you lost interest in asking me about his achievements, then? What were they?


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[leftysergeant]

But specifically the 9/11 ones that were heavily broadcast here in the US as evidence of what rotten folks the muslims were.Would you care to show us just what the hell you are talking about? (BTW, most of us are really sensitive to and offended by the smell of tinfoil.)

[lionking]

Have you lost interest in asking me about his achievements, then? What were they?

Yup, evasion as forecast. What do you think of bin Laden JJ? I think he was a cowardly murderer. That was his "achievement". I'm proud of those who killed him. Is the world a better place for his death?

Over to you.

[dafydd]

Have you lost interest in asking me about his achievements, then? What were they?

You haven't got this discussion thing,have you? You were asked the question first. Are you going to answer it? If not,farewell and happy Jihading. What do you get instead of the 72 virgins? 72 toy boys?

[dtugg]

Have you lost interest in asking me about his achievements, then? What were they?




No, I'm not.



Not true either.

So then what his achievments are must have been obvious: killing a bunch of people in terrorist attacks. And you're just playing stupid games.

[thaiboxerken]

So you're suggesting that Obama personally planned the raid? Because Osama did plan 9/11, and assisted with its financing. As for the military mission, all Obama did was give the go-ahead. The only way in increase Osama's involvement in 9/11 would be to put him on one of the planes. The only way to decrease Obama's involvement in his death would be to have someone else in the White House.

This is a silly argument. :rolleyes:

Therefore no President should ever be blamed or credited for things that happen under his Presidency. All they do is approve or disapprove stuff.

What a silly argument.

[Tatyana]

I had no idea that the Libyan war was going that badly.


Your comment reveals more about your personality and mindset.

All I have to say is that special forces are amazing.

[Quad4_72]

Have you lost interest in asking me about his achievements, then? What were they?




No, I'm not.



Not true either.

We have been through this. Yes, you ARE a twoofer. And what are you babbling on about with his achievements? He was the mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorism attacks. I suppose bringing that point up though doesn't do much good considering how you are afflicted with twooferism.

[Sunstealer]

For taking almost 10 years to kill one guy?

Good thing he's dead, but it's an embarassment it took this long.Bear in mind that the house he was killed in was built 5 years ago, is only 30 miles from the Pakistan capital, in a wealthy suburb close to military bases.

The embarrassment is all Pakistans.

[Quad4_72]

Your comment reveals more about your personality and mindset.

All I have to say is that special forces are amazing.

Yes they are. It just sucks that there are so many people out there who want to take away from the accomplishment of our military and how they risked their lives during this operation. Luckily it seems to be only the nutters and a few various other ignorant people out there who claim fake.

[Skeptical Greg]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-dead-killed_n_856091.html?ncid=webmail

The fight lasted only 40 minutes and was described by a senior administration official as a “surgical raid” conducted by a Navy Seals unit

I can't wait for the movie, or the TV special , starring Dwayne Johnson and Samuel L. Jackson ...

[dafydd]

Yes they are. It just sucks that there are so many people out there who want to take away from the accomplishment of our military and how they risked their lives during this operation. Luckily it seems to be only the nutters and a few various other ignorant people out there who claim fake.

If Bin Laden had been Jewish the Little Grey Rabbi would be full of praise.

[Captain_Snort]

Hopefully we can leave Afghanistan now.

Afghanistan was never about terrorism and the taliban (except for an excuse), more about securing a gas pipeline.

[leftysergeant]

Purely stupid, knee-jerk comment ...

Uncalled for.

Intelligence on this matter originated under Bush.

Erm...Where is the link to that? Why didn't that pack of drongos go get him right then?

Both men deserve much credit.

No, the Shrub, Rummy and that drooling nosferatu from Wyoming deserve the back of somebody's hand for screwing up the war.

Remember when the French refused to go into Afghanistan weith us and all the right wingnuts were saying that going to war without the French was like going hunting without an accordian and high-fiving each other for being so clever?

And then that useless drongo from Texas started grabbing his crotch and announcing that he was coming to get Osama. (Snarf! Drool!) WE'RE COMING TO GET YOU! Cue the US Military Academy marching band. Kind of reminded me of Johnny Horton's song about the Battle of New Orleans.

If you can't resist the urge to comment on stupidity and arrogance, perhaps you should consider Karzai of Pakistan.

Ermmmmm...Dude?....Karzai is the drongo that our drongo installed as president of Afghanistan.

Y'all make this too easy sometimes.

[dtugg]

Afghanistan was never about terrorism and the taliban (except for an excuse), more about securing a gas pipeline.

Lol. Another twoofer. The CT forums are thataway.

[thaiboxerken]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." -G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[dtugg]

Erm...Where is the link to that? Why didn't that pack of drongos go get him right then

I posted a link to the NY Times article talking about it earlier in this thread.

Gitmo detainees gave up a trusted courier of Osama. The reason it took so long is because they had to find this guy and track him back to the compound which apparently took a long time because he was careful. Although not careful enough.

[dafydd]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." -G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Ever heard of giving somebody a false sense of security?

[ddt]

Bear in mind that the house he was killed in was built 5 years ago, is only 30 miles from the Pakistan capital, in a wealthy suburb close to military bases.

The embarrassment is all Pakistans.

Has anyone knowledgeable already commented on the probability that higher-up elements in the Pakistani army protected OBL?

[BenBurch]

This is awesome news.

[thaiboxerken]

Ever heard of giving somebody a false sense of security?

Dub was never that clever. His actions showed that he was sincere in his statement.

[Information Analyst]

A mansion with no Internet lines, no phone lines, no cell phone calls in or out.... These people are not very bright. You'd think they could have had those lines and restrain themselves from having any suspicious communications.

"Hello? I would like to order some pizzas. Two margheritas, one capricciosa - hold the ham, obviously - and... death to the Great Satan! Oh ****, what a giveaway...!"

[leftysergeant]

Well, the intelligence originated from Gitmo detainees when Bush was President.

Got a link to that?

Maybe extracted using "enhanced" methods.

Not bloody likely. More likely the FBI got some useful intel before the tatads fell in on them.

[BenBurch]

Has anyone knowledgeable already commented on the probability that higher-up elements in the Pakistani army protected OBL?

That would seem to be a certainty. My opinion is that it is time to stage a military action against Pakistan, with the goal of turning their nuclear arsenal and reactors into craters.

[LTC8K6]

I normally don't cheer anyone's death, but in this case I make an exception. In fact, I will personally see to it as best as I can that the men responsible for this never have to pay for another drink in their life.

[CTer Impersonation]
Isn't it a coincidence that he dies the day after Seth Meyers made a joke at the white house correspondents dinner telling people he knew of Osama's whereabouts?
[CTer Impersonation]

Although now that I think of it, I really want to see Obama's reaction to that joke again, since apparently OBL has been dead a week... and I would assume the President would know that. I also love, love, love that the announcement of OBL's death pre-empted... The Celebrity Apprentice!


OBL has not been dead a week. The President said the operation occurred "today". OBL has been dead only a day or so. DNA results will take a while.

[dtugg]

Got a link to that?

Yes. I posted it earlier. Go back a couple pages and you'll find it. I'm posting from my phone right now so I am not going to get the link again

Not bloody likely. More likely the FBI got some useful intel before the tatads fell in on them.

Sorry, it is completely possible. I am sure it would be horrible news to you though.

[BenBurch]

OBL has not been dead a week. The President said the operation occurred "today". OBL has been dead only a day or so. DNA results will take a while.

The government can turn a DNA match in less than 20 hours.

[Sunstealer]

OBL has not been dead a week. The President said the operation occurred "today". OBL has been dead only a day or so. DNA results will take a while.This seems more likely. Infact it looks like someone was twittering from Abbottabad whilst the operation was ongoing. http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

[Captain_Snort]

Lol. Another twoofer. The CT forums are thataway.

LOL, another closed minded simpleton, Tea party that way.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Did he drop any loot?

[BenBurch]

A missed opportunity; Only a Democrat would have done Bin Laden this far from an election.

[dtugg]

LOL, another closed minded simpleton, Tea party that way.

No, I am rational thus I know who did 9/11 and why we are in Afghanistan.

[leftysergeant]

Sorry, it is completely possible. I am sure it would be horrible news to you though.

I have seen no bloody proof that torture woirks, despite what morons like Rummy, the nosferatu from Wyoming and that torture monkey Allen West might tell you.

[dtugg]

I have seen no bloody proof that torture woirks, despite what morons like Rummy, the nosferatu from Wyoming and that torture monkey Allen West might tell you.

I am sure it is not always reliable but do you honestly believe that nobody has ever given up any useful information under torture?

[Bikewer]

NPR was just interviewing an ex-Pakistani intelligence guy. When asked if he thought that the Pakistanis were complicit, he said.. "Well, that's an interesting question..."

Considering the size, security levels, and location of the place....Gives an entirely new dimension to "hiding in plain sight".
Another interesting notion is that some elements of the Pakistani military or intelligence might have been in on the raid.... They say not but right now the Morning Edition guys are expressing incredulity that a small fleet of choppers full of special-ops troops could have flown all the way to Islamabad without so much as a heads-up to the Pakistanis....
No doubt will fuel speculation for some time.

[LTC8K6]

The government can turn a DNA match in less than 20 hours.

Then why bother with the "face recognition" story? And the stories about DNA results taking a few days?

[BenBurch]

Then why bother with the "face recognition" story? And the stories about DNA results taking a few days?

I don't know, but I do know they can do a match in hours given a large enough sample.

[Katody Matrass]

I wonder why not take him alive? Wouldn't bringing him to court play out better for Obama and USA?
They just killed him and dumped immediately in the water instead - conspiracy theories commence...

[leftysergeant]

I am sure it is not always reliable but do you honestly believe that nobody has ever given up any useful information under torture?

Damned rarely. I know a little more first-hand about intel procedures thasn I can go into, but torturte is not the only means that the Navy or CIA had in hand after the Shrub and his slimebag crew started getting flack over it.

[ddt]

"Hello? I would like to order some pizzas. Two margheritas, one capricciosa - hold the ham, obviously - and... death to the Great Satan! Oh ****, what a giveaway...!"
:D The kidnapping of Heineken, the brewer, was solved because of conspicuously many Chinese take-away to an empty warehouse in an industrial area.

That would seem to be a certainty. My opinion is that it is time to stage a military action against Pakistan, with the goal of turning their nuclear arsenal and reactors into craters.
Let's not get into how they got it in the first place. :rolleyes: But yes, I agree that that seems a certainty.

This seems more likely. Infact it looks like someone was twittering from Abbottabad whilst the operation was ongoing. http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual
This article (http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/05/02/heres-the-guy-who-unwittingly-live-tweeted-the-raid-on-bin-laden/) has some tweets from another tweeter too. Apparently, phone was blacked out in the town.

[LTC8K6]

I wonder why not take him alive? Wouldn't bringing him to court play out better for Obama and USA?
They just killed him and dumped immediately in the water instead - conspiracy theories commence...

I think that must have been the intent. To take him alive.

[Eddie Dane]

Let's not get into how they got it in the first place. :rolleyes:


*Cough, cough, cough*
Oooh, look over there! Something shiny!

[NoahFence]

I wonder why not take him alive? Wouldn't bringing him to court play out better for Obama and USA?
They just killed him and dumped immediately in the water instead - conspiracy theories commence...

I'm sure they tried, but the timing of the operation made it so they couldn't get a translator in time to politely ask the enemy to stop shooting whilst they handcuff Bin Laden. :boggled:

[Kestrel]

Digging around a bit, it looks like Bin Ladin's compound is here (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=34.187222,73.242222&ie=UTF8&ll=34.187169,73.242298&spn=0.002853,0.004994&z=18).

[dtugg]

Damned rarely. I know a little more first-hand about intel procedures thasn I can go into, but torturte is not the only means that the Navy or CIA had in hand after the Shrub and his slimebag crew started getting flack over it.

So it could have happened. If it was the torture, we may never know. I doubt Obama would want it known that Bush torturing terrorists helped him kill Osama.

[Denver]

I wonder how long until the psychics and other prognosticators come out showing they just predicted this was going to happen?

[BenBurch]

I wonder why not take him alive? Wouldn't bringing him to court play out better for Obama and USA?
They just killed him and dumped immediately in the water instead - conspiracy theories commence...

He might not have given us the chance.

[Eddie Dane]

The problem with torture:

"Aaaaah please stop, I know where BIn laden is, Aaaaargh and I'm a witch, aaaaaaaargh will you guys stop if I tell you where Mladic is hiding? Aaaaah...Jimmy Hoffa? Aaaaagh the Coca Cola recipe?

"OK, that's enough for today. Turn off Rick Astley and get a whole bunch of intelligence guys to work on this here confession. I'm personally sceptical about the witch thing, but look into it just in case."

[NoahFence]

I wonder how long until the psychics and other prognosticators come out showing they just predicted this was going to happen?

Nostradamus in 1544:

Yea, through termoil and strife, there is a man who will lose his life. Six foot high or more he stands. Men with weapons we cannot fathom have fingers fast that will itch. One will squeeze and kill the son-of-a (expletive deleted)

[JihadJane]

He asked you first.

I've no idea what lionking means by "achievements" that I might be proud of, so it's impossible to answer his profoundly important question without further details.

You haven't got this discussion thing,have you? You were asked the question first. Are you going to answer it? If not,farewell and happy Jihading. What do you get instead of the 72 virgins? 72 toy boys?

Unhinged gibberish

We have been through this. Yes, you ARE a twoofer. And what are you babbling on about with his achievements? He was the mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorism attacks. I suppose bringing that point up though doesn't do much good considering how you are afflicted with twooferism.

What is the relevance of this post to lionking's stupid question (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7141109#post7141109)?

As far I remember your "proof" that I am a "twoofer" is that I don't believe that the full story of the 9/11 attacks is known by us ordinary mortals and nor will it ever be.


His main achievement was killing lots of innocent people. Your turn Jane.

I see. I'm not proud (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7141109#post7141109) of that and by what psychological gymnastics would/could I be?

:confused:

[Katody Matrass]

I'm sure they tried, but the timing of the operation made it so they couldn't get a translator in time to politely ask the enemy to stop shooting whilst they handcuff Bin Laden. :boggled:

It seems he was in his hiding with just a handful of his minions? Not much of an enemy to counter the Navy Seals. OTOH looks like they managed to get one of the choppers - maybe he kept to himself some of the stingers Reagan gave him.

[dafydd]

Dub was never that clever. His actions showed that he was sincere in his statement.

So he had no advisors?

[dtugg]

It seems he was in his hiding with just a handful of his minions? Not much of an enemy to counter the Navy Seals. OTOH looks like they managed to get one of the choppers - maybe he kept to himself some of the stingers Reagan gave him.

Certainly no match for a team of SEALs. That's why none of them died. But how are you supposed to take alive people who are shooting at you?

[dafydd]

I've no idea what lionking means by "achievements" that I might be proud of, so it's impossible to answer his profoundly important question without further details.



Unhinged gibberish



What is the relevance of this post to lionking's stupid question (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7141109#post7141109)?

As far I remember your "proof" that I am a "twoofer" is that I don't believe that the full story of the 9/11 attacks is known by us ordinary mortals and nor will it ever be.




I see. I'm not proud (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7141109#post7141109) of that and by what psychological gymnastics would/could I be?

:confused:
Why do you call yourself Jihad Jane? At least Calamity Jane was loveable.

[Wowbagger]

Surprised?UMzTNlNG-tg

I just heard another newscaster on TV say "Obama, I mean Osama...".

I have a funny feeling this sort of slip-up is going to happen a lot.

[ddt]

*Cough, cough, cough*
Oooh, look over there! Something shiny!

That discussion can go either way. (http://forums.wtf.com/threads/how-pakistan-got-nuclear-knowledge.24659/) :D

[Joey McGee]

There is literally no way to improve upon the mood I am currently in.

This is awesome news.

This is the funniest **** I have ever seen.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Glad he's dead. I wouldn't mind having seen him strung up like Saddam, though.

[NoahFence]

It seems he was in his hiding with just a handful of his minions? Not much of an enemy to counter the Navy Seals. OTOH looks like they managed to get one of the choppers - maybe he kept to himself some of the stingers Reagan gave him.

I wouldn't be much of an enemy either - but if I were shooting at the SEALs, I'd be killed, too.

[Katody Matrass]

Certainly no match for a team of SEALs. That's why none of them died. But how are you supposed to take alive people who are shooting at you?

I think there are some non-lethal means to do exactly this - stun grenades, tasers, gases etc. Osama got killed by headshot - that suggests that the order was precisely to kill.

[Captain.Sassy]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22027&d=1304340189

:cool:

[Captain.Sassy]

I think there are some non-lethal means to do exactly this - stun grenades, tasers, gases etc. Osama got killed by headshot - that suggests that the order was precisely to kill.

Just heard on the news that Obama specifically gave orders to kill.

[ElMondoHummus]

LOL... somebody in the neighborhood Live Tweeted the raid without realizing what it was:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/8487686/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-Pakistani-man-live-tweets-deadly-raid.html

[dtugg]

I think there are some non-lethal means to do exactly this - stun grenades, tasers, gases etc. Osama got killed by headshot - that suggests that the order was precisely to kill.

They don't use flashbangs to capture people. They use them to distract the enemy, particularly when there are hostages, in order to more easily kill him. They most certainly do not use tasers on people who are shooting. People can still shoot back if they have gases fired at them.

And a head shot suggests nothing beside he got shot in the head.

[Cleon]

Ever heard of giving somebody a false sense of security?

In that case, it wound up being a real sense of security.

[The Fool]

Just heard on the news that Obama specifically gave orders to kill.
If true...it still wouldn't particularly worry me.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Someone call Dubya and ask him what he did with that "Mission Accomplished" banner.

[Captain.Sassy]

If true...it still wouldn't particularly worry me.

Who's worried?

:D

[Joey McGee]

Just heard on the news that Obama specifically gave orders to kill.

It's official, there is literally no way to make this any better.

I'm pretty much floating down the street. Morning Mr. Mailman! Happy Bin Laden is Dead Day! :D

[Katody Matrass]

They don't use flashbangs to capture people. They use them to distract the enemy, particularly when there are hostages, in order to more easily kill him. They most certainly do not use tasers on people who are shooting. People can still shoot back if they have gases fired at them.

And a head shot suggests nothing beside he got shot in the head.

I'm not expert in such operations. I just imagine that if given order to capture they would find a way and means - e.g. some incapacitating gas or combination of "flashbangs", tasers, rubber bullets, whatever.

Anyway looks like the order was to kill, according to news. Why not take him to court?

The swift dumping of body could be problematic, too. Let's say Talibs produce a video of fake Osama saying "ha ha, I'm still alive"? Some sort of disinfo could be a good tactic for them now.

[LTC8K6]

Just heard on the news that Obama specifically gave orders to kill.

That would have been when he would not surrender, I guess.

[Joey McGee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

This article is only going to get better and better and better....

[BenBurch]

I think there are some non-lethal means to do exactly this - stun grenades, tasers, gases etc. Osama got killed by headshot - that suggests that the order was precisely to kill.

No, it indicates that he was shooting back.

[BenBurch]

If true...it still wouldn't particularly worry me.

Me either.

[dtugg]

I'm not expert in such operations. I just imagine that if given order to capture they would find a way and means - e.g. some incapacitating gas or combination of "flashbangs", tasers, rubber bullets, whatever.

Even if they prefered to take him alive, I am quite sure that it wouldn't have been done if that ment putting the SEALs at any additional risk. That means shooting him if he's shooting at you. Cops would prefer to take people alive but they aren't going to be messing around with rubber bullets and crap if people are shooting at them.

Anyway looks like the order was to kill, according to news. Why not take him to court?

Killing him is easier and perfectly legidimate. KSM has been in custody for eight years and he still hasn't been tried.

The swift dumping of body could be problematic, too. Let's say Talibs produce a video of fake Osama saying "ha ha, I'm still alive"? Some sort of disinfo could be a good tactic for them now.

The only people who would be fooled by that are nutjobs who would never be convinced by anything the US Government did.

[Katody Matrass]

Even if they prefered to take him alive, I am quite sure that it wouldn't have been done if that ment putting the SEALs at any additional risk. That means shooting him if he's shooting at you. Cops would prefer to take people alive but they aren't going to be messing around with rubber bullets and crap if people are shooting at them.




Killing him is easier and perfectly legidimate. KSM has been in custody for eight years and he still hasn't been tried.
Agreed, keeping Osama in jail and trying him would pose additional troubles without giving much in return over the immediate PR success that we observe.



The only people who would be fooled by that are nutjobs who would never be convinced by anything the US Government did. True, even though the major target of it wouldn't be the US public. Anyway such a scenario is rather improbable. I guess Osama had rather planned some retaliation in the event of his capture or elimination.

[Quad4_72]

Afghanistan was never about terrorism and the taliban (except for an excuse), more about securing a gas pipeline.

Which pipeline would that be exactly? Do you have any evidence for this claim? Didn't think so. Go to the conspiracy forums to spew your nuttery.

[This Guy]

I think killing him was the most practical thing to do. Done on orders or out of necessity. If it had turned out that we had to hand him over to some other nation (Pakistan) it's unlikely he would have ever made it here (not that I think we would have handed him over, just saying, he likely would have "escaped"). If brought to the US alive and tried, it would have been a security nightmare. Regardless of why he was killed, I think it's best from our (the US's) point of view.

I'm glad he was finally taken care of. I didn't realize Obama had shifted assets from Iraq to Afghanistan for the purpose of getting Osama. Good move!

I understand why so many Americans are so happy about this event! Again, I'm glad it's done. However I can't help but see the similarities between the celebratory scenes from Ground Zero, and outside the White House, and those from Middle Eastern countries when they have celebrated the death of a US service man, or some other tragedy. The major difference is that the US flags being waved aren't on fire.

I don't know, I just have a problem celebrating anyone's death. Even this penis head, that deserved to die, if anyone can be said to deserve to die. I have no major problem with capital punishment (some reservations concerning the amount of proof of guilt though), but I just can't seem to find joy is this, or any other death.

[PGH]

Someone call Dubya and ask him what he did with that "Mission Accomplished" banner.

THAT'S funny!

It's official, there is literally no way to make this any better.

I'm pretty much floating down the street. Morning Mr. Mailman! Happy Bin Laden is Dead Day! :D

Right with you man. I may even stop in at a pub after work just to be with other people. I can't remember the last time I had that feeling!

It's a great day.

[geni]

I think killing him was the most practical thing to do. Done on orders or out of necessity. If it had turned out that we had to hand him over to some other nation (Pakistan) it's unlikely he would have ever made it here (not that I think we would have handed him over, just saying, he likely would have "escaped"). If brought to the US alive and tried, it would have been a security nightmare. Regardless of why he was killed, I think it's best from our (the US's) point of view.

It's unlikely that ADX Florence would have faced many fresh security issues holding him.

However since the SEAL's had been sent in without Pakistani permission they were effectively operating in enemy territory which makes the more extended type operation that would have been needed to capture him pretty much impossible.

[I Ratant]

Watching ABC: There is a sizable crowd of revelers growing outside the Whitehouse.
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I celebrated both VE Day and VJ Day... for a couple days each.. ( I was 7!)

[I Ratant]

LOL - That went through my head also.
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I haven't received any of the usual anti-Obie e-mails from my usual sources yet.
I bet they're waiting to be told what to say.

[dtugg]

I think killing him was the most practical thing to do. Done on orders or out of necessity. If it had turned out that we had to hand him over to some other nation (Pakistan) it's unlikely he would have ever made it here (not that I think we would have handed him over, just saying, he likely would have "escaped"). If brought to the US alive and tried, it would have been a security nightmare. Regardless of why he was killed, I think it's best from our (the US's) point of view.

There is literally no way he would have ever left US custody if taken alive. If Pakistan had demanded him Obama would have rightly told them togo **** themselves. KSM was captured in Pakistan over eight years ago. He's currently enjoying his stay at Gitmo.

[I Ratant]

This will totally overshadow Canada's elections today...
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What wouldn't?

[I Ratant]

http://i.imgur.com/NSYmw.jpg
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I'm sending that NOW! :)

[Puppycow]

Death of bin Laden brings healing to old wounds (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.catharsis/?hpt=Sbin)

[Captain.Sassy]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4160/binladenuc.jpg

/\/\/\
teh real?

[Checkmite]

Did he drop any loot?

I ninja'd it, lol

[Joey McGee]

Barack, go fire up a dube and celebrate, you deserve it man, today is the perfect day to reignite that habit.

Right with you man. I may even stop in at a pub after work just to be with other people. I can't remember the last time I had that feeling!

It's a great day.

I was wasted yesteday at this party, I didn't find out til this morning, I was drinking vodka and smoking weed for breakfast so it was the perfect time to find out. I'm throwing a "Bin Laden is Dead" party all day.

At the party I was arguing with some truther about Bin Laden, and why they hadn't caught him yet. Neither of us knew it but he was already dead. I can't wait to stop by there later today and laugh in his face and do a victory dance.

First I ran around screaming like a madman, doing victory w00ts and uttering poisonous threats against the rest of Al-Queda. Then I gargled down some vodka and went running around outside screaming Bin Laden is dead! The mailman found that humorous.

[Checkmite]

/\/\/\
teh real?

Rather obviously not.

[LTC8K6]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4160/binladenuc.jpg

/\/\/\
teh real?

teh fake.

http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg

[Checkmite]

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I'm sending that NOW! :)

I'm partial to this one:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/jk_mellifera/rtrt.jpg

[Captain.Sassy]

i'm partial to this one:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/jk_mellifera/rtrt.jpg



teh real!!!

:D

[MattusMaximus]

Good news indeed :)

It's also nice to see that pretty much everyone in the U.S. government (as well as those aspiring to run for office) is apparently acting like an adult given the news.

*Sighs happily*

[Normal Dude]

I'm in ur base, killing ur doodz.

[I Ratant]

any photos are rubbish. No photo will be released for quite some time....much to the delight of the conspiracy theorists.


Osama Not really dead....Living with Elvis.....you heard it here first!
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That photo has been going around for two years.

[MattusMaximus]

This is awesome news.

That picture is full of win :D

ETA: Making it my avatar!

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[MattusMaximus]

I wonder how long until the psychics and other prognosticators come out showing they just predicted this was going to happen?

Good point.

[Undesired Walrus]

Check it out on google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34%C2%B0+11%E2%80%B2+15.6%E2%80%B3+N,+73%C2%B0+1 4%E2%80%B2+33.43%E2%80%B3+E&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.80241,77.871094&ie=UTF8&ll=34.187759,73.24269&spn=0.00209,0.004753&t=h&z=18

[I Ratant]

I'm partial to this one:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/jk_mellifera/rtrt.jpg
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I'll send that'un depending on the outrage the first one generates! :)
I've been getting hate mail from the guys I sent it to since Obie won the election.
Turnabout... luv it!

[commandlinegamer]

Wondering how the introductions in hell will go:

Satan: Mr Osama, meet Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Marcel Marceau (afraid he's a bit shy). You know Saddam, of course...

[Nosi]

I think they're trying to make sure they preempt the west coast airing of The Apprentice.

:D

Nice shooting, fellas. Bury him shallow so something can feed on him. That way he can be of at least some benefit to this planet.

Show a little respect for the living! :p

[Belz...]

Maybe Bin laden was sending them birthday cards?

With a return adress !

[MattusMaximus]

No, it indicates that he was shooting back.

Personally, I would be amazed if bin Laden didn't go down without a fight.

[AdMan]

Personally, I would be amazed if bin Laden didn't go down without a fight.


Do you mean if he didn't go down fighting?

[AdMan]

Check it out on google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34%C2%B0+11%E2%80%B2+15.6%E2%80%B3+N,+73%C2%B0+1 4%E2%80%B2+33.43%E2%80%B3+E&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.80241,77.871094&ie=UTF8&ll=34.187759,73.24269&spn=0.00209,0.004753&t=h&z=18


Is that the right one? It looks different from this one in the NYT:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/02/world/02obama_683_cham/02obama_683_cham-custom10.jpg

[Nosi]

It is almost too bad there is no Hell. The thought of that piece of **** being completely shocked at arriving in Hell instead of being greeted by 72 virgins in paradise is hilarious.

He could be greeted by 72 virgins in Hell... 72 hungry virgin Klingons with a taste for human. Sorry, my Trek muse poking out...:D

[Dani]

Today is day 1 of a new conspiracy theory: Bin Laden is still alive, it's all a set-up.

[Cavemonster]

Wondering how the introductions in hell will go:

Satan: Mr Osama, meet Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Marcel Marceau (afraid he's a bit shy). You know Saddam, of course...

You know nothing of Marcel Marceau's work.
This comment is just ignorant.

[Patricio Elicer]

Today is day 1 of a new conspiracy theory: Bin Laden is still alive, it's all a set-up.


So, what evidence do we have at this point that he's effectively dead?

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Got the news, went straight to the bar to toast the people we lost on 9/11. A thank you to everyone who serves this country and props to Obama for refocusing on Afghanistan so we could get this guy(best word I can say w/out rule violation).

[thaiboxerken]

So, what evidence do we have at this point that he's effectively dead?

Press releases. Pictures. Al Queda vowing revenge.

[BenBurch]

Personally, I would be amazed if bin Laden didn't go down without a fight.

I think you got tripped up by a double negative...

[Undesired Walrus]

Where did the DNA come from? His westernised son?

[Patricio Elicer]

Press releases. Pictures. Al Queda vowing revenge.


Pictures of his dead body?. I've been watching CNN, and searching the net, but nothing so far. I may have missed it of course.

[thaiboxerken]

Sorry, not pictures. We actually have the body.

[Severus Snape]

Dind dong the witch is dead!

[pgwenthold]

teh real!!!

:D

Agreed. that one made me laugh

[LTC8K6]

Sorry, not pictures. We actually have the body.

Nope, it was tossed overboard.