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Roadtoad
4th April 2004, 09:37 AM
All I can say is, SEE YA, @$$HOLE!!!!

LEGANES, Spain (Reuters) - The Tunisian suspected ringleader of last month's Madrid train bombings blew himself up with three accomplices after police cornered them in a suburban Madrid apartment, officials said Sunday.

Serhane ben Abdelmajid Farkhet, 35, known as El Tunecino (The Tunisian), was one of several men who yelled defiant Arabic slogans before detonating a charge that also killed a policeman, Interior Minister Angel Acebes told a news conference.

Another of the dead, Moroccan Abdennabi Kounjaa, was also among six suspects being hunted in connection with the March 11 bombings of four commuter trains, which killed 191 people.

Fifteen police officers were wounded by the explosion during the Saturday night raid in Leganes, a Madrid suburb. One of the wounded officers was in serious condition.

"The core group of those who carried out the terrorist act (the train bombings) have been detained or died in the collective suicide," Acebes said. "We have to highlight the magnificent work done by the security forces."

Investigators have clearly tied together three events that have rocked Spain in recent weeks: the March 11 train bombings, the discovery of a bomb wedged beneath a high-speed rail south of Madrid Friday, and Saturday's suicide blast.

Spain is holding 15 people, most of them Moroccan, over the March 11 attacks.

Investigators are also searching further afield for a possible mastermind who may have ordered the attacks from abroad with all signs pointing to Islamist radicals sympathetic to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

Two days after the bombings and on the eve of Spanish general elections, a videotape surfaced in which a purported al Qaeda spokesman claimed responsibility for the attacks and called them revenge for Spanish support of the war in Iraq.

The following day Spanish voters threw out the strongly pro-American ruling party, electing Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's Socialists who have pledged to pull Spain's 1,300 troops out of Iraq unless the United Nations takes charge there by June 30.

SUICIDE BELT

Acebes did not say what led police to swoop on the working-class Madrid suburb of Leganes Saturday evening in an attempt to round up several suspects.

The occupants of the first-floor flat spotted the police and began firing while shouting and chanting in Arabic, officials and local residents said.

The police were about to raid the flat when the suspects set off an explosion, demolishing the front of the five-storey apartment block. The blast sent a pall of smoke into the air, left a gaping hole in the front of the block, damaged nearby buildings and left a pile of rubble on the ground.

One body which had yet to be identified was wearing an explosives belt of the type favored by Palestinian militants, the minister added. It contained two kg (4.4 pounds) of explosives.

"They shouted 'God is great' or something like that" in Arabic just before the explosion, one of the police officers who took part in the assault told El Pais newspaper.

A further two or three people may have escaped before the explosion, Acebes said, adding that the group appeared to have been planning more attacks.

Police also found 200 detonators and 22 pounds of dynamite, of the same type used in the train bombings and Friday's thwarted rail bomb.

PREACHED JIHAD

In the six arrest warrants issued Thursday, 35-year-old Farkhet was identified as the "personal leader and coordinator" of the suspected Islamist group implicated in the train bombings.

He had been agitating for "jihad" (holy war) in Madrid in mid-2003 if not earlier, the warrant said.

Acebes has singled out the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group -- a shadowy organization believed to be tied to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network -- as prime suspect in the bombings.

Investigators believe Friday's defused bomb was intended to derail the high-speed train running from Madrid to Seville in an attack that might have killed hundreds.

High-speed trains began running again Saturday, taking thousands to the southern city of Seville for its renowned Holy Week Christian celebrations culminating in Easter next Sunday.

Ed
4th April 2004, 09:44 AM
Pity.

I think that the Spaniards would have done an admirable job of sweating them.

Graham
4th April 2004, 10:35 AM
So is this another example of the Spainish surrendering to terrorism?

Or does it just demonstrate that it is, in fact, possible to continue functioning as a civilised, democratic society and fight terrorism at the same time?

I wonder.

Graham

Roadtoad
4th April 2004, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Graham
So is this another example of the Spainish surrendering to terrorism?

Or does it just demonstrate that it is, in fact, possible to continue functioning as a civilised, democratic society and fight terrorism at the same time?

I wonder.

Graham

Sounds like the rest of us in this country, Graham.

Graham
4th April 2004, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Roadtoad


Sounds like the rest of us in this country, Graham.

To avoid any further confusion, that remark was aimed at the Richard G (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38179)s of this world.

Roadtoad
4th April 2004, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Graham


To avoid any further confusion, that remark was aimed at the Richard G (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38179)s of this world.

Understandable, Graham, but it applies to a lot more people than you realize. I am seriously questioning whether Iraq was necessary right now as we were led to believe, or it another way was possible. My sons and I are in a rather extended debate over this.

RandFan
4th April 2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Graham
So is this another example of the Spainish surrendering to terrorism?

Or does it just demonstrate that it is, in fact, possible to continue functioning as a civilised, democratic society and fight terrorism at the same time?

I wonder.

Graham Who said other wise?

Loon
5th April 2004, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Roadtoad
All I can say is, SEE YA, @$$HOLE!!!!


I mostly agree. I would very much have liked to see these guys interrogated, though.

And then fed to fire ants.

Graham
5th April 2004, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by RandFan
Who said other wise?

As I said above, at least one person (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38179) the implication of all that "government Al Queda chose for them" crap is that, in reaction to a terrorist attack, the Spainish should have abandoned normal, democratic procedure (ousting a prime minister who had clearly tried to deceive the public and who led their country into an unpopular war).

For not doing so they have been called cowards, appeasers and all manner of far worse names.

Graham

Shane Costello
5th April 2004, 02:01 AM
I stand to be corrected on this, but under the worst these guys could have expected was a thirty year jail sentence, since it is illegal and unconstitutional in Spain to incarcerate anyone for longer than this. Alas they would not have been fed to fire ants.

Ed
5th April 2004, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Shane Costello
I stand to be corrected on this, but under the worst these guys could have expected was a thirty year jail sentence, since it is illegal and unconstitutional in Spain to incarcerate anyone for longer than this. Alas they would not have been fed to fire ants.

Really?

Shane Costello
5th April 2004, 04:56 AM
Originally psoted by Ed:
Really?

Looks like it (www.iccnow.org/countryinfo/europecis/spain.html)

Previously, the government was engaged in a legislative campaign to modify the penal code, in particular to raise the maximum term of imprisonment from the current 30 years to 40 years for the worst crimes, such as terrorism.

1. Pursuant to Article 103 of Spain's Constitution, Spain declares it will be willing to receive persons sentenced by the ICC, provided that these persons will not have been sentenced to a term of imprisonment that exceeds the maximum permitted under the Spanish legislation (30 years)

Graham
5th April 2004, 05:00 AM
I wonder if that's 30 years per offence or thirty years in total.

Surely a serial killer-type person would get multiple consecutive sentences.

Graham

Shane Costello
5th April 2004, 05:27 AM
I think it's a maximum overall sentence of thirty years, if the previous administration saw fit to try and extend it beyond the present restriction.