Charlie Veitch no longer a truther - TM in shock

[Edx]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but big UK "truther activist" Charlie Veitch known as the "Love Police", has seemingly changed his mind on 911 after participating in a BBC documentary where they flew him to NYC and he got to speak to various experts in demolition, engineering etc.

PS: The loud blast of music at the start is him covering up the name of the channel and name of the documentary.

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Here is the first part of an interview with him, really interesting to see the psychology of his fellow truthers dealing with this. If you want to see Part 2 and 3 go to youtube.

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I like how the interviewer has obviously not bothered to even try to find any counter views to what he saw in conspiracy theorists films for all these years.

The truth movement are "in shock" apparently, check out some of this conversation between truthers trying to figure out how he could change his mind to such a degree.

Here is Part 1:

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At no time does it seem to go through their minds that the reason he changed his mind is not because he has been brainwashed, paid off, or replaced with a clone but because they are wrong and have believed stupid ignorant lies for the past 10 years. How can anyone not agree with them after they know da twoof?

I had a similar "revelation" as Charlie describes in the interview above, at a certain point the absurdity builds up to such a degree that you just suddenly realise it couldn't have been a conspiracy and you've been fed a bunch of bullcrap.

[Greedo]

:bigclap Looks like some people grow brains after all! Nice :)

[Walter Ego]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but big UK "truther activist" Charlie Veitch known as the "Love Police", has seemingly changed his mind on 911 after participating in a BBC documentary where they flew him to NYC and he got to speak to various experts in demolition, engineering etc.


Veitch might be well known in truther circles in the UK, but I've never heard of him. He seems to be best known for being arrested (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UscFYYCKOxg) for disturbing the peace during the recent royal wedding in London. Here's his website (http://www.cveitch.org/).

In the video below, not linked in the OP, he succinctly describes his reasons for no longer believing in controlled demolition of WTC7. You do have to admire his willingness to listen to reason from real experts.

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[Edx]

I only assumed he was big in the TM because thats what the US truth movement people seemed to be saying, check my video I posted!

Thanks for the interview though!

[Sam.I.Am]

Welcome to reality. Where facts and logic trump fantasy and wishful thinking. Any truther that isn't mentally challenged should be paying attention, if you drop your dogmatic devotion to what the high priests of 9/11 truth are telling (and selling) you and instead approach it from a neutral position that let the actual facts lead to your conclusions instead of the other way around you will see just how idiotic most of you have sounded over the past decade.

[njslim]

Any truther that isn't mentally challenged

Unfortunately most truthers have such disorders.....

[Mikey T]

Thanks for posting this. Absolutly hilarious. Listening to the all interviewer's incredulity is pure comic gold.

Here's a guy Charlie Vietch, who was well respected in the London twoof community from what I gather, making the effort to research and see both sides of story. After doing so he realized the twoof movement claims became a "wall of absurdity" as he called it, and changed his mind. The twoof response is he was brainwashed, threatened by the US gubmit, paid off, a planted shill, etc. Now he is receiving death threats, phyical threats, his girlfriend is being threatened, his family is being threatened, and scorn from all levels of the twoof. Vietch is still a nutbag anarchist on many levels but at least he has enough rationality to see how absurd the twoof movement belief system is and has become a dogmatic cult.

On a side note, at least Vietch has decent taste in women other than she is a nutbag anarchist too. Google his girlfriend "Silkie Carlo" if you want to check her out. Finally after all this time there's something decent to look at in the conspiracy realm.

[Dave Rogers]

The twoof response is he was brainwashed, threatened by the US gubmit, paid off, a planted shill, etc. Now he is receiving death threats, phyical threats, his girlfriend is being threatened, his family is being threatened, and scorn from all levels of the twoof.

Which, ironically, is what they like to pretend the government does to them.

Dave

[rubber_ritchie]

I really admire Charlie Veitch for coming out like he has. He has probably lost about half his followers for this. Look at his previous videos. They get 90% thumbs up and mostly positive comments. The new 911 one has barely a single comment in support of him. He has made very nasty comments to myself and many others in the past so he has asked for the kind of attention he is now getting. The Veitch case shows that debating with Truthers isn't always a waste of time. Seeds are sown and opinions weaken. I wonder if Alex Jones might have such a revelation? ; )

[Sam.I.Am]

I wonder if Alex Jones might have such a revelation? ; )

He's in it for the money so I doubt it.

[Edx]

I wonder if Alex Jones might have such a revelation? ; )

1. He is too stupid.
2. He has a business to support
3. Has he ever changed his mind??

[slojoe]

I LOL'd when he told his interviewer about the Bojinka plot in tones of a great revelation, although it was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission report.

I've dealt with enough Truthers to know most haven't bothered to learn the official story before rejecting it, but I'm always amused to see their ignorance.

[uke2se]

This guy Veitch is now feeling the wrath of the religious cult he has left. The Twoof movement is a lot like Scientology in that aspect.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but big UK "truther activist" Charlie Veitch known as the "Love Police", has seemingly changed his mind on 911 after participating in a BBC documentary where they flew him to NYC and he got to speak to various experts in demolition, engineering etc.

PS: The loud blast of music at the start is him covering up the name of the channel and name of the documentary.

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He kind of has a point. If the government murdered 500,000 people in Iraq, it really isn't a stretch for them to murder 3,000 at home.

Except the US government didn't murder 500,000 in iraq.

He still puts everything on the US government. "The government lies this", "the government lies that"... not once in his mea culpa does he hold twoofers responsible for any of their blatant lies.

Kudos to Vietch for the steps he has taken. He still has more steps to take, however.

[BStrong]

1. He is too stupid.
2. He has a business to support
3. Has he ever changed his mind??

The last time AJ changed his mind on anything is when he stopped peeing in cotton.

A truther saw the light? inconceivable!

[KDLarsen]

This guy Veitch is now feeling the wrath of the religious cult he has left. The Twoof movement is a lot like Scientology in that aspect.
Most of the peeps on ATS have decided that it's a clear-cut case of Veitch being paid off by the BBC :rolleyes:

[BStrong]

Most of the peeps on ATS have decided that it's a clear-cut case of Veitch being paid off by the BBC :rolleyes:

They've been leaving my payoff in a paper bag, under the hubcap around the corner.

[KDLarsen]

They've been leaving my payoff in a paper bag, under the hubcap around the corner.
The bastards. I've actually had to pay them! :mad:

[Horatius]

I LOL'd when he told his interviewer about the Bojinka plot in tones of a great revelation, although it was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission report.

I've dealt with enough Truthers to know most haven't bothered to learn the official story before rejecting it, but I'm always amused to see their ignorance.



That was the feeling I got as well - he was talking about all the great revelations he discovered by talking to engineers and the like - which were all things that we've been saying here for years now.

[Macgyver1968]

I don't who this guy is...but apparently he was an important figure in the truth movement. There have been like 20 threads on DIF started about this guy...all claiming he was "got to".

[Edx]

Kudos to Vietch for the steps he has taken. He still has more steps to take, however.

Yea, but to be fair, he went quite far in only a week or whatever.

[000063]

For people who urge others to be open minded, they sure are resistant to the idea that they could be wrong, or their opinions might be, y'know, subjective.

Then again, just about every CT is based on things that 'look' or 'feel wrong'. Basically, Truthiness, except without any intentional irony whatsoever.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yea, but to be fair, he went quite far in only a week or whatever.

Indeed, and he's done an impressive job getting his former compatriots worked up in the process.

[Horatius]

Indeed, and he's done an impressive job getting his former compatriots worked up in the process.



Heresy tends to do that to religious folk.

[uke2se]

Now some of the Twoofers are deleting comments to keep people from pointing out the ridiculousness of their reactions.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Now some of the Twoofers are deleting comments to keep people from pointing out the ridiculousness of their reactions.


Are they deleting their own comments or the comments of those pointing out the ridiculousness of their reaction?

[uke2se]

Are they deleting their own comments or the comments of those pointing out the ridiculousness of their reaction?

Didn't notice any of their own comments being removed. All the "debunker" comments, generally supporting Veitch's change of heart and urging the Twoofers to think about what they are doing in reaction to that were removed from the video linked in the OP regarding Twoofer response.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Didn't notice any of their own comments being removed. All the "debunker" comments, generally supporting Veitch's change of heart and urging the Twoofers to think about what they are doing in reaction to that were removed from the video linked in the OP regarding Twoofer response.


Ah. I was wondering if maybe they were capable of feeling shame, but I suppose not...

[Fly Poster]

I am from the UK, and hold similar political views to Mr. Veitch, I fear for him, there are some right gnarly characters in the 9/11 truth movement over here too.
We have often thought that the 9/11 movement is going to breed a nut job killer, I sincerely hope Veitch doesn't get hurt, if I was him I would lay low, I doubt he will lay low.

[Fly Poster]

Most of the peeps on ATS have decided that it's a clear-cut case of Veitch being paid off by the BBC :rolleyes:

Facepalm, the BBC is not without it's bias, but how many people do they actually think are in on 9/11? Now Veitch is in on it too?!

[Edx]

Facepalm, the BBC is not without it's bias, but how many people do they actually think are in on 9/11? Now Veitch is in on it too?!

They think the BBC was in on it because they reported its collapse early, I always have to remind them that it was also the firefighters that said it was going to collapse so they cant implicate the BBC without implciating the firefighters.

[Fly Poster]

We Are Change have just dished out a heavy dose of irony:

"You can listen to people, and agree with what they say or don’t say, but don’t just blindly follow anyone because they say the right things."

http://www.wearechange.org/?p=8604

[catsmate1]

Heresy tends to do that to religious folk.
Apostasy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy)

[Horatius]

Apostasy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy)



Heretic!

[Sam.I.Am]

Heretic!

Hexan II!

[Oliver]

From what I heard the documentary is called "Conspiracy Road Trip". And given the fact that I can't find anything about it on the BBC's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/) website, it didn't air yet, did it?

[uke2se]

From what I heard the documentary is called "Conspiracy Road Trip". And given the fact that I can't find anything about it on the BBC's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/) website, it didn't air yet, did it?

Think it'll air some time this fall, around the 10th anniversary.

[1337m4n]

We Are Change have just dished out a heavy dose of irony:

"You can listen to people, and agree with what they say or don’t say, but don’t just blindly follow anyone because they say the right things."

http://www.wearechange.org/?p=8604

More ironic is the Ghandi quote they have at the top there.

"Become the change that you wish to see in the world".

Odd thing to say for a group that finds it acceptable to lie and mislead people in order to attain the goal of revealing the "truth".

[Edx]

From what I heard the documentary is called "Conspiracy Road Trip". And given the fact that I can't find anything about it on the BBC's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/) website, it didn't air yet, did it?

Yea apparently its supposed to have been made to air around the anniversary.

It will be interesting to see footage of him with these experts, I wonder what the truthers still say.

[Sam.I.Am]

Yea apparently its supposed to have been made to air around the anniversary.

It will be interesting to see footage of him with these experts, I wonder what the truthers still say.

Really? I mean do you really wonder about that? I'm willing to make my predictions right now as to what they will say, and that is the exact same things they have been saying for the past 9+ years.

Randi, get my $1,000,000.00 check ready and make it out to "Cash".

[Edx]

Really? I mean do you really wonder about that? I'm willing to make my predictions right now as to what they will say, and that is the exact same things they have been saying for the past 9+ years.

Randi, get my $1,000,000.00 check ready and make it out to "Cash".

Well not really, I know they will say all sorts of things but I'm always interested in the specifics :)

[Edx]

Stared posting on one of their videos:
http://youtu.be/e-7CBD5B54s

Got into a argument with one of the more fierce brand of lunatics. Check it out, if you're bored.

[Mikey T]

More comedy gold from the batcrap truth movement supporters concerned about Charlie's defection to sanity (at least as far as 9/11 is concerned). Holy "stuck in 2006" Batman!

K-tel would be so proud. At least we know the truth movement is dead and this is a more than likely a good general representation of their best of the best. It's just a few haggard hanger on'ers still spewing the same old tired crap. They say it with such conviction though which makes it quite funny and depressing at the same time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBN_x-C95s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivUN6Ywjtwg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqM20U4TuaM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOK3i6Ge4g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5T-W326ZQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rm-OWZwM8s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWsNkYXgFmQ&NR=1

[000063]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBN_x-C95s&feature=related

The big give away is this... OK, he's changed his mind on 911. Got no problem with that ( truthfully couldn't give a flying **** what he believes ). But what's with the name calling and the use of the exact same use of rhetoric and badgering that you would expect off someone on FOX news.

So now he is all of sudden making this documentary about his trials and tribulations of being in the ' 911 cult '. His words not mine.

Well it's safe to say Charlie boy is sucking satan's cock.. haAh, yes, the usual truther complete lack of self-awareness. Then again, they're not aware of much else, either.

[Fly Poster]

More comedy gold from the batcrap truth movement supporters concerned about Charlie's defection to sanity (at least as far as 9/11 is concerned). Holy "stuck in 2006" Batman!

K-tel would be so proud. At least we know the truth movement is dead and this is a more than likely a good general representation of their best of the best. It's just a few haggard hanger on'ers still spewing the same old tired crap. They say it with such conviction though which makes it quite funny and depressing at the same time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBN_x-C95s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivUN6Ywjtwg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqM20U4TuaM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOK3i6Ge4g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5T-W326ZQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rm-OWZwM8s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWsNkYXgFmQ&NR=1

Goodness, the guy in video 5 is one scary dude, check out the gun behind him.

[Dash80]

I'm glad to see at least one truther come to their senses, realizing how stupid the whole thing is. Maybe there's still hope for a few more?

[ScottyMate]

This is fascinating to watch. The reactions from the Truthers that called him one of their own only weeks before, is priceless. It's so similar to creationists that lose their beliefs when confronted with actual science. The response from True believers is just as vitriolic.

I learned about his "deconversation" after seeing Alex Jones talking about him. Alex claims that he always knew there was something evil about him lol. Of course Alex Of course.

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Seriously though, I don't much care for Veitch's actions, but respect to him for having the balls to so radically change his mind. It'll make his BBC documentary all the more interesting.

[Sam.I.Am]

This is fascinating to watch. The reactions from the Truthers that called him one of their own only weeks before, is priceless. It's so similar to creationists that lose their beliefs when confronted with actual science. The response from True believers is just as vitriolic.

I learned about his "deconversation" after seeing Alex Jones talking about him. Alex claims that he always knew there was something evil about him lol. Of course Alex Of course.

3_0R2PWXjA4

Seriously though, I don't much care for Veitch's actions, but respect to him for having the balls to so radically change his mind. It'll make his BBC documentary all the more interesting.

I'll be watching it as soon as it hits the TV torrent sites. I love watching some of the BBC documentary shows that will never air out here. I recently finished "Submarine School" and while it didn't have any new information (for me anyway) it was interesting to watch and see how the Brits go about it compared to how we do it.

[Mikey T]

Another Charlie Vietch rebuttal from "The Truther Girls". Quite a gem. How would you like to wake up next to that every morning and have to listen to her talk while enjoying your morning coffee? I'd rather go to death row.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdffPSEEPTA

[DC]

This is fascinating to watch. The reactions from the Truthers that called him one of their own only weeks before, is priceless. It's so similar to creationists that lose their beliefs when confronted with actual science. The response from True believers is just as vitriolic.

I learned about his "deconversation" after seeing Alex Jones talking about him. Alex claims that he always knew there was something evil about him lol. Of course Alex Of course.

3_0R2PWXjA4

Seriously though, I don't much care for Veitch's actions, but respect to him for having the balls to so radically change his mind. It'll make his BBC documentary all the more interesting.

ah i feel with Alex on the last one here.
He is only warning the other chimps of the cat, and when i was warnign you chimps i also didn0t understand why you called me crazy, needed to realize there is no cat in the grass :D

[SkepticOfLies]

This is one of the biggest blows to the Truth Movement I think I've seen, They all loved Charlie Lol.

[Caper]

I never heard of this guy in my life before this thread. Was be a big name truther?

[Mikey T]

I never heard of this guy in my life before this thread. Was be a big name truther?


More of an Anarchist type, not so much involved in the twoof other than the fact that in the twoof's roots they are inbedded in an anti-government platforms so he chose to support it.

Check out "The Love Police" if you want to see him in action. He's just a different brand of nuttery, but at least he seems more intellegent that most twoofers. And as I stated before Charlie and his girlfriend Silkie Carlo organize The Love Police, unfortunately she's as nutty as he is, but at least she's smokin' hot. Silkie Carlo interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQgMbay9nYk

[SkepticOfLies]

I never heard of this guy in my life before this thread. Was be a big name truther?

Yes, but the TM wasn't his main focus he is just a documentary maker that just so happened to have gotten involved with the movement, and all the people in the TM idolized him until he met up with the BBC a few weeks ago and he changed his mind. The Truth Movement people just can't believe that someone who was preaching "911 was an inside job" just a month before (he has videos supporting Richard Gage), could spend a few days with the BBC and completely do a 360. They all think he sold out and was paid off, plus he has received various death threats due to his change of heart from extreme Truthers. Alex Jones came out with a video saying that he knew Charlie was an NWO traitor all along (lol). Imo, this is the most interesting story in the Truth Movement right now, that still isn't saying too much though, sadly.

Here is an additional interview he did:


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[RCory]

but at least she's smokin' hot. Silkie Carlo interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQgMbay9nYk

OK, I'll give you hot. But she needs some serious work on those choppers.

[911kongen]

Am I a conspiracy nut that fears that Veitch might be making this up??? I see him coming out on 911, and saying he faked it, and would never fall for BBC- propaganda. Lets hope im wrong!!

[SkepticOfLies]

Am I a conspiracy nut that fears that Veitch might be making this up??? I see him coming out on 911, and saying he faked it, and would never fall for BBC- propaganda. Lets hope im wrong!!

It's quite clear that Charlie simply made up his own mind based on the evidence he was presented, I'm willing to bet that was his only motivation for the change of heart. I doubt he "sold out" to the "official story" and is a "payed off agent" now lol

[911kongen]

It's quite clear that Charlie simply made up his own mind based on the evidence he was presented, I'm willing to bet that was his only motivation for the change of heart. I doubt he "sold out" to the "official story" and is a "payed off agent" now lol

Thats not my point. I fear he might just be playing with debunkers. Now that we go bananas because a truther now believes the official story, what will happen if he goes back to the truthers and says debunkers are SO stupid that actually believed I changed my mind because of a BBC documentary. That is what I fear...

[NoahFence]

That would make him a liar, and just par for the course.

[000063]

They'd probably crow about how he fooled the debunkers, ignoring the fact that they wanted to nail him to a cross when they were fooled too. Or pretending it didn't exist, like how AE911T's YouTube channel doesn't have the infamous box demonstration.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Thats not my point. I fear he might just be playing with debunkers. Now that we go bananas because a truther now believes the official story, what will happen if he goes back to the truthers and says debunkers are SO stupid that actually believed I changed my mind because of a BBC documentary. That is what I fear...


We're not really going bananas over it, though, are we? Just about everyone here has quietly congratulated him or pointed out how truthers are going bananas over it.

[RKOwens4]

This guy Charlie Veitch actually private messaged me a few weeks back through his youtube page thanking me for my videos and saying how they helped change him from a conspiracy theorist to someone who no longer believes in the conspiracy theories. I'd never heard of him so it's weird now finding out that he's part of this new BBC documentary. He did say he had a few lingering questions such as WTC7 falling into its own footprint, but I gave him a lot of info on the damage to Fitterman Hall and the Verizon Building so hopefully that put it to rest. Am looking forward to this documentary.

[scissorhands]

This guy Charlie Veitch actually private messaged me a few weeks back through his youtube page thanking me for my videos and saying how they helped change him from a conspiracy theorist to someone who no longer believes in the conspiracy theories. I'd never heard of him so it's weird now finding out that he's part of this new BBC documentary. He did say he had a few lingering questions such as WTC7 falling into its own footprint, but I gave him a lot of info on the damage to Fitterman Hall and the Verizon Building so hopefully that put it to rest. Am looking forward to this documentary.

Your videos are one of the best resources on youtube for debunking cters in the medium they are familiar with.

[Edx]

This guy Charlie Veitch actually private messaged me a few weeks back through his youtube page thanking me for my videos and saying how they helped change him from a conspiracy theorist to someone who no longer believes in the conspiracy theories. I'd never heard of him so it's weird now finding out that he's part of this new BBC documentary. He did say he had a few lingering questions such as WTC7 falling into its own footprint, but I gave him a lot of info on the damage to Fitterman Hall and the Verizon Building so hopefully that put it to rest. Am looking forward to this documentary.

Was this before the "coming out video"? So this means he was already skeptical before the trip to NYC?

[RKOwens4]

Was this before the "coming out video"? So this means he was already skeptical before the trip to NYC?

No, the message was received on June 29th and in it he talks about his trip to NYC/D.C./Shanksville in the past tense.

[rubber_ritchie]

RKOwens, you're videos are brilliant. They explained a lot to me after a brief dip into the world of conspiracism. I have been the following Charlie Veitch on youtube for a long time. He didn't start as a Truther and it wasn't really his main thing but he did start mentioning it a lot and started going on shows like Alex Jones'. I think all the videos about him and excitement around youtube and others is simply that the Truth movement has nothing new to get excited about. No new clips from the BBC or other 'evidence' has come out for a long time. More and more are leaving and whistleblowers are coming forward.

[RKOwens4]

RKOwens, you're videos are brilliant. They explained a lot to me after a brief dip into the world of conspiracism. I have been the following Charlie Veitch on youtube for a long time. He didn't start as a Truther and it wasn't really his main thing but he did start mentioning it a lot and started going on shows like Alex Jones'. I think all the videos about him and excitement around youtube and others is simply that the Truth movement has nothing new to get excited about. No new clips from the BBC or other 'evidence' has come out for a long time. More and more are leaving and whistleblowers are coming forward.

Thanks. But really 95% of the credit goes to others on this forum who did the majority of the research, I just put it into brief videos. And you're right... the 9/11 truth movement hasn't come up with anything new in years. I still get people messaging me saying stuff like, "You probably don't know about this but in some interview Larry Silverstein admitted that he gave the order to pull WTC7 and pull is industry slang for implode!" Like... un****ingbelievable. I get dozens of messages from truthers all the time and it's never ever anything new, always the exact same arguments that were debunked years and years ago.

[dc1971]

Thanks. But really 95% of the credit goes to others on this forum who did the majority of the research, I just put it into brief videos. And you're right... the 9/11 truth movement hasn't come up with anything new in years. I still get people messaging me saying stuff like, "You probably don't know about this but in some interview Larry Silverstein admitted that he gave the order to pull WTC7 and pull is industry slang for implode!" Like... un****ingbelievable. I get dozens of messages from truthers all the time and it's never ever anything new, always the exact same arguments that were debunked years and years ago.

Mr. Owens, I also want to thank you for the videos you have posted over the last couple of years. My favorite happens to be the latest 3 part series entitled '9/11 Truth Movement R.I.P.'. It's funny how no matter how many times you explain things, present evidence, or prove someone wrong, they will keep repeating the same old boring tripe!

[JAStewart]

He could've just stopped talking about it rather than announce it but fair play to him for doing so. I used to be a CTer but JREF turned me on to the darkside.

Nowadays, I've got a great desk and an NWO pension, I can't complain!

[Scott Sommers]

Luke Rudkowski VS Charlie Veitch on 9/11
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[paperboy05]

Nowadays, I've got a great desk and an NWO pension, I can't complain!

:roll: :yahoo

Lucky you!

[16.5]

Luke Rudkowski VS Charlie Veitch on 9/11
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Huh, Russia Today, the propaganda wing of Putin's Russia.

Awesome.

[Edx]

Good god Luke Rudkowski still going on about pull it as if no ones ever responded to that before. I could have debunked every single one of those claims/

[riptowtan]

I thought Veitch handled the "debate" well. It's funny how most of the truther claims can be debunked with just pure logic. Silverstein admitting on a PBS program that he blew up the towers. (But that he's nervous to talk about it in public) And I never understood why anyone would take the whole Kevin McPadden countdown claim seriously. Why on earth would they have a countdown for a super secret demolition? It's beyond silliness.

[Scott Sommers]

And here's more from Luke, brought to you by our friends at RT
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[RKOwens4]

Luke Rudkowski VS Charlie Veitch on 9/11
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All I can say is wow. Luke makes such a huge fool of himself. If you scroll up on this page a few posts, you'll see on July 25 that I said how the 9/11 truthers never ever come up with anything new and to this day I still get people throwing claims at me which were thoroughly debunked years and years ago and I used the Larry Silverstein "pull it" interview as a prime example. Now three days after I posted that, on July 28 Luke makes a total ass of himself by continuing to claim that Larry Silverstein gave the order "to take down Building 7". UN-MOTHER-FING-BELIEVABLE. He also brings up the Kevin McPadden and BBC early reporting claims, which were also thoroughly debunked years and years and years ago.

I tried confronting Luke on 9/11/08 at Ground Zero and asked him what he thought the biggest piece of evidence he had that 9/11 was an inside job was, and he responded talking about the ISI leader wiring $100,000 to Mohammad Atta. I then responded telling him there's zero evidence of it and asked him how it would prove 9/11 was an inside job even if it were true (afterall, to this day there's still suspicion among the U.S. that members within Pakistan supported al-Qaeda, but that doesn't prove 9/11 was an inside job), but at that instant his whole attitude changed as he realized I wasn't a supporter of his and he just walked away and refused to talk to me. EXACTLY what he cries about Larry Silverstein doing to him.

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I thought Veitch handled the "debate" well. It's funny how most of the truther claims can be debunked with just pure logic. Silverstein admitting on a PBS program that he blew up the towers. (But that he's nervous to talk about it in public) And I never understood why anyone would take the whole Kevin McPadden countdown claim seriously. Why on earth would they have a countdown for a super secret demolition? It's beyond silliness.

What's even stupider is that Kevin McPadden was a well known leader within the 9/11 truth movement for years. I know there's a video from 2006 of him leading a 9/11 truther rally (I THINK for We Are Change since I seem to remember Luke in the video as well). Yet, for some reason he only "remembered" that he heard a countdown on 9/11 in 2007. 9/11/07 is the first time that he ever made the claim. He has zero credibility. On top of that, he keeps completely changing his story every time he tells it, contradicting what his previous version was and keeps adding "details".

[bill smith]

Jeez,what's going on ? Now it looks like Alex Jones has gone over to the dark side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZx9QhMWpYE&NR=1 alex u turns

[Scott Sommers]

Jeez,what's going on ? Now it looks like Alex Jones has gone over to the dark side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZx9QhMWpYE&NR=1 alex u turns

That's so clever Bill. I'd never have watched the video if you hadn't so completely mislead me.

Don't waste your life watching Bill's link.

[bill smith]

That's so clever Bill. I'd never have watched the video if you hadn't so completely mislead me.

Don't waste your life watching Bill's link.

I like the part about how uncomfortable the government must be to realise that the people are awake and staring at them.

[beachnut]

That's so clever Bill. I'd never have watched the video if you hadn't so completely mislead me.

Don't waste your life watching Bill's link.
she has no clue what happen on 911, she is like Alex Jones spreading moronic lies about 911 (I would ask her why she lied about what Alex is doing, she might not know)

There are followers like bill who never will figure out 911.

[catsmate1]

That's so clever Bill. I'd never have watched the video if you hadn't so completely mislead me.

Don't waste your life watching Bill's link.
I dumped bill on ignore long ago, it saves time.

[CompusMentus]

Charlies blog hacked HERE (http://www.cveitch.org/wordpress/), accusations insinuations of rape, paedophilia.

Oh Dear........

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[bill smith]

Charlies blog hacked HERE (http://www.cveitch.org/wordpress/), accusations insinuations of rape, paedophilia.

Oh Dear........

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He sure manages to stay in the news.

[CompusMentus]

Charlie tries to clean up the detrius at the blog I linked to above. The offending insert/hack has been removed. But for those interested I saved the censored text and it's quoted below:-



Blog Hijacked: The Death of The Love Police
Posted by: Charlie | Category: Blog | Date: 4th August, 2011 (9:21am)

It is even sicker that Charlie is unrepentant! Maybe he hasn’t heard the girls tears like some of us have had to.

Charlie is someone who needs the reactions of the world to be his mirror, because he is too blind to see himself for what he is. So this stays until he mans up, apologises to everyone involved, and faces his demons.

ANONYMOUS – WIN.

Dear Readers,

This is not Charlie. This is the person that knows him better than anyone else.

I felt I needed to tell you all the truth about Charlie, especially since so many of you donated to fund his lifestyle. Please read carefully, save it, repost it if you like. He will delete this blog as soon as he sees it. He has a strong distaste for the truth.

Charlie preached in the streets about love and truth – but these are two values which he does not hold for himself. The majority of those in the government, and in the police force, are better human beings than Charlie is.

Charlie is not hired by MI5, or a paid ‘shill’. The truth is dirtier than that. Put simply, Charlie is a liar and a cheat. He never once practiced what he preached.

He tried to tell you all that his girlfriend, aged 20, was his ‘goddess’ – he came across like a family man, a loving man, an aspirational figure. In reality, he was very, very dark.

He admits that he cheated on every girlfriend that he ever had, from short term to the most serious long term relationships – but when he started the Love Police, he said he realised how wrong this was, and that he was a changed man. This was a sick veneer. At the time, he was cheating on his new girlfriend – the woman you knew to be the other half of the Love Police. The one that tirelessly campaigned to get him out of jail every time he was arrested. We don’t need to go into too much detail – the cheating was continuous, diverse, and relentless.

However – last year, in the honeymood period of his new relationship, he made a video called ‘Jasmine and the Morning Star’, featuring a 15 year old girl. Many of you voiced your concerns about the nature of the filming – it seemed perverted and almost paedophilic. You were right. Luckily, this girl’s mother was a bit wise to him, and accompanied the child to his flat in London, unexpected by him. He tried grooming her nevertheless, whispering to her that they had a special ‘connection’ and so on, but he could not make his sexual move in front of her mother. He had wanted her alone. He finally did get her alone, when the poor girl was only 16 years old. He got her very drunk, took her to his home, and slept with her despite her initial protests, and despite him apparently being in love with his ‘goddess’. Afterwards, the child went to the bathroom to be sick, and called a friend who luckily collected her. The story gets worse. The next day, she was very upset and told her mother. Her 40 year old mother confessed that she too, had been taken out by Charlie, and that he had also slept with her when she was too drunk to know what she was doing – just the night before he slept with her 16 year old child. Yes. I feel incredibly sick too.

He has today posted new videos that he has made with this child. The girl realises now that filming with him again was a mistake, and would like all footage of herself removed. He makes her feel uncomfortable and unsafe. She is aware of his dark, ulterior motives. It is not the first time Charlie has used children. When he was in his early 20s, he had a secret ‘relationship’ with a 14 year old schoolgirl.

Charlie was on a huge ego trip and was prepared to break young, innocent hearts along the way. He cheated with anyone he could get his hands on. He cheated on his ‘goddess’ at every festival he was stupidly given free tickets too – from ‘Sunrise’, to (ironically) ‘TruthJuice’, whilst his girlfriend was taking her university exams. Anyone that knows his ex-girlfriend knows that she devoted herself to him fully, giving pure, true love and dedication – but receiving only deceit in return.

He and this long term girlfriend started living together after the torture of the royal wedding arrest. We all know that she achieved mainstream coverage of the arrest, speaking to broadsheets and broadcasters as big as the BBC, to try to help Charlie. But whilst she was away, he actually cheated on her with their new flatmate who was, again, drunk, initially protested, and who was vulnerable having just come out of a 5 year relationship.

She was suspicious and would often ask if he was being loyal. He lied, and apparently continues to lie, and refuses to apologise. Only he knows how many other people he used, and cheated on her with.

His ‘goddess’ saw that he needed professional help, and offered guidance and forgiveness – but he chose to stay the dark and evil man that he is. Now that the truth has come out about the young girl he was grooming since 15, I know she would not forgive him or love him anyway. Paedophilia is the darkest of all evil. They never change.

Many of you have been dismayed not just by his change of mind about 9/11, but moreover by the treatment of his viewers concerning this change of mind. Now you know that he NEVER was about truth, or love – his whole entertainment of you was a lie. The BBC3 programme features a man of disgrace. He was simply lapping up the attention and donations you gave him, at a loose end after being made redundant in the city. So now, I say, the Love Police is dead. You should all:

Unsubscribe from this blog.

Unsubscribe from his Youtube.

Delete him on Facebook.

Don’t load him with more hate, and certainly not praise – simply ignore him.

And Charlie – take down your Youtube channel. For all of our sake, don’t make anymore videos.

You are a shameful man. You need to seek professional help, and then come back to the people you betrayed and used, and apologise. The truth hurts but it is for the best. You keep convincing yourself that you are a wonderful person, but maybe now that the world knows the truth, you will also be able to look yourself in the mirror and realise what you are and how much hurt you have given those you loved most. You are a liar, a pervert, a fraud, and a cheat.

You used a young, vulnerable child for sex, whilst pretending to be something you are not – she, and her mother, deserve an apology. You took donations from people whilst pretending to be something you are not – they ALL deserve an apology. Finally, your ‘goddess’ donated her whole world, youth, and heart to you, whilst you pretended to be someone you are not – she deserves a sincere apology.

Finally, I apologise sincerely that it came to this. But no more can I witness hero worship, and donations, for a fraudulent man, on a fraudulent basis. There are children dying of disease and starvation that could do with those thousands of pounds we spent on him, to keep them breathing.

I learned that many ‘truthseekers’ in fact thrive on lies. But I maintain that the truth, and love, are the most important values in the world. And I write this only out of truth and love. Sometimes, karma needs help on its way….



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[George152]

Charlies blog hacked HERE (http://www.cveitch.org/wordpress/), accusations insinuations of rape, paedophilia.

Oh Dear........

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So that's where the disturbed people live.:(