Dr. Khidhir Hamza + Iraq's nuclear program

[Nie Trink Wasser]

http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/hamzatranscript.htm

A new vision became apparent when we entered Kuwait. Saddam had regarded an atomic bomb as part of his arsenal of war. He wanted a device that could be mounted on mobile rockets. At that point he did not exactly have a complete weapon. That placed us in great difficulty. First we have the French fuel, which is good enough for one bomb, more or less.

Joseph Cirincione: You are saying that Iraq was working on its nuclear program after the war?

Answer: Yes. After the war we perfected the barriers that made diffusing and enriching the uranium possible. "




http://www.house.gov/hasc/openingstatementsandpressreleases/107thcongress/02-09-19hamza.html

"However if a condition is made that the scientists are to be made available outside Iraq together with their families the story could see an immediate turnaround. All Iraq’s pretexts of no WMD will collapse. Iraq will expose its hand immediately through flat refusal to cooperate. The names of all the relevant scientists are known to the US authorities. Unmovic already possesses huge financial resources from its share of Iraq’s oil revenues at its disposal to take care of all the important Iraqi scientists and engineers permanently. Iraq’s scientists if they chose to and my guess is that they will can go under the equivalent of the US witness protection program paid for by income already under Unmovic disposal if they agree to cooperate. This is the test. If Iraq has really no illegal WMD program it should agree. My bet would be that it will not. This is the smoking gun everybody is looking for."

[rikzilla]

Bump

So that Wayne will get a good look at this.

Wayne, (and other interested parties) this is important stuff.

READ IT!

If you check out the full text of Dr. Hamza's report you will see the linkage with the info I posted from Scott Ritter's book. Pay special attention to the mention of the Mukhabarat and SSO's involvement in WMD's. Iraq is without doubt a national sponsor of worldwide terrorism. They offer intel support, logistics, and training to terrorists.

-zilla

[rikzilla]

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...and wondering why no comments on this thread??

One would certainly think that such fervent fans of human rights, justice, fairness, and personal freedom as Wayne, DD, and Gagster would not wish to pass up this opportunity to see and comment on the very "proof" of Iraq's WMD programs that they have all been crying to see!??

....I'm puzzled by their lack of participation on such a thread as this.

-zilla

[rikzilla]

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[Crossbow]

OK, I'll bite.

I think the reason why there is such a lack of comments is because the threat from Iraq has been so greatly overstated that the public has difficulty in accepting it.

This statement made by Dr. Khidhir Hamza (author of Saddam's Bombmaker) says as much:

"The problem however remains that we are dealing with a series of indicators [regarding Iraq WMD development] but no first hand witness."

And second, the good doctor overstates his own importance, which makes him appear less credible, when he says:

"You never make an atomic bomb without indigenous expertise. Even India has a foreign reactor. Maybe Pakistan could steal some blueprints; but they would still need a large engineering team to build their weapons [therefore, without more people like me, Pakistan will not be able to develop nuclear weapons]."

I would like to point out that Pakistan now does have nuclear weapons, even though he thought that they could not develop them.

I hope this helps!

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Crossbow
I would like to point out that Pakistan now does have nuclear weapons, even though he thought that they could not develop them.

There's a joke among my Indian friends:

Q: Do you know why it took Pakistan 10 days to test their first nuke after India had done so?

A: Because that's how long it took to translate the instructions from the original Chinese.

from fas.org (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/):

Pakistan's dependence on China grew as Western export controls and enforcement mechanisms have grown more stringent. China's nuclear assistance predates the 1986 Sino-Pakistani atomic cooperation agreement, with some of the most critical transfers occurring from 1980 through 1985. China is reported to have provided Pakistan with the design of one of its warheads, as well as sufficient HEU for a few weapons. The 25-kiloton design was the one used in China's fourth nuclear test, which was an atmospheric test using a ballistic missile launch. This configuration is said to be a fairly sophisticated design, with each warhead weighing considerably less than the unwieldy, first-generation US and Soviet weapons which weighed several thousand kilograms. Pakistan Foreign Minister Yakub Khan was present at the Chinese Lop Nor test site to witness the test of a small nuclear device in May 1983, giving rise to speculation that a Pakistani-assembled device was detonated in this test.

I think it's fair to say that Pakistan most likely did not develop its own nuclear weapons. They licensed Chinese models.

MattJ

[Nie Trink Wasser]

is there no response because it's a "conspiracy theory" ?

[Doctor X]

And second, the good doctor overstates his own importance, which makes him appear less credible, . . .

Hey!!!

--J.D.

[Crossbow]

To: Doctor X

Please look at what Dr. Hamza had to say about Pakistan and then look at what actually happened in Pakistan.

[Doctor X]

[Mr. Crossbow:

Unfortunately, once he starts sulking, very little will bring him out of his corner other than "Mr. Cattle-Prod."--Ed.]

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Crossbow
To: Doctor X

Please look at what Dr. Hamza had to say about Pakistan and then look at what actually happened in Pakistan.


that's your best rebuttal ?

deflecting the debate to pakistan .......

how do his statements about Pakistan make Iraq any less dangerous ?

Pakistan can develop a nuclear program without a strong team of scientists ( like Iraq has ) and somehow this makes him less credible :rolleyes: you're throwing out his testimony based on that ?! ......

are you joking ?

[Ben Shniper]

North Korea is un-invadable. We all should know this. They have the bomb, we can't touch them directly now.

Saddam we can attack. We have enough vaccines and gas masks now. But North Korea has the bomb.

They also got this bomb from the Chinese, and we have to take care. The soviet union wasn't desperate enough to give the bomb to its satelites, but China is.

We can't attack Iran now, because it is militarily too strong to take out easily. But Iraq we have isolated and we can disarm them by force, if necessary.

Why? Because once they have the weapons we fear, we will need a new middle east policy. One in which we get used to a hostile regime controlling the oil exports of the whole world.

-Ben