Australian Opposition Leader- Clinton Plagarist?

[Mr Manifesto]

You be the judge (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1092320.htm)

Mr Clinton: "Every 18-year-old must be able to go to college."

Mr Latham: "Every 17-year-old must be ready to extend their education. "

Mr Clinton: "Every eight-year-old must be able to read."

Mr Latham: "Every infant child must be the beneficiary of reading programs."


Well, folks, which is it? Is the opposition a plagarist patsy, or is the government a preening prima donna? No shades of gray here, folks, it's pure bi-polar debate all the way! Unless you vote for something else.

[WildCat]

Is there a politician who hasn't said those things? :confused:

[Mr Manifesto]

Latham's speech in full (http://www.alp.org.au/media/0404/20007275.html)

Clinton's speech in full (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/resources/sotu/transcripts/index.html) (the bits quoted in the article being on page 3)

As for my opinion, Wildcat, this is typical Liberal party smear. They do this ***** every election year. A classic tactic is, they spread the rumour among Labor party faithful that the Labor party is planning to move Aboriginies from slums to the suburbs.

"But you can't do that! It's against UN regulations!"
"Uh... we aren't planning to do any such thing..."
"What, are you saying that everyone's just made the rumour up?!?"

I prefer Labor's method of making outrageous promises and refusing to keep them, and using Laura Norder and immigration as 'wedge issues'. Although, disasterously in the last election, the Libs trumped Labor in the immigration-wedge stakes.

edit to add Ooh, and branch-stacking. Can't forget that. And saying they're pro-union while union busting! Gotta love that. Any other Labor sleaze I've missed?

[UserGoogol]

On a related note, Elton John totally ripped off REO Speedwagon.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
You be the judge (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1092320.htm)



Well, folks, which is it? Is the opposition a plagarist patsy, or is the government a preening prima donna? No shades of gray here, folks, it's pure bi-polar debate all the way! Unless you vote for something else.

It doesn't sound like plagiarizing to me and like Wildcat said this is standard political speech.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Latham's speech in full (http://www.alp.org.au/media/0404/20007275.html)

Clinton's speech in full (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/resources/sotu/transcripts/index.html) (the bits quoted in the article being on page 3)

As for my opinion, Wildcat, this is typical Liberal party smear. They do this ***** every election year. A classic tactic is, they spread the rumour among Labor party faithful that the Labor party is planning to move Aboriginies from slums to the suburbs.

"But you can't do that! It's against UN regulations!"
"Uh... we aren't planning to do any such thing..."
"What, are you saying that everyone's just made the rumour up?!?"

I prefer Labor's method of making outrageous promises and refusing to keep them, and using Laura Norder and immigration as 'wedge issues'. Although, disasterously in the last election, the Libs trumped Labor in the immigration-wedge stakes.

edit to add Ooh, and branch-stacking. Can't forget that. And saying they're pro-union while union busting! Gotta love that. Any other Labor sleaze I've missed?
I don't see anything so similar between the two that would constitute plagiarism, just typical stump speech vagaries. They touch on many of the same subjects, but they're ones that are of general concern in any country.

You're right, the criticism is probably just election-year politicking.

[shemp]

You be the judge (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1092320.htm)

Mr Clinton: "Every 18-year-old must be able to go to college."

Mr Latham: "Every 17-year-old must be ready to extend their education. "

Mr Clinton: "Every eight-year-old must be able to read."

Mr Latham: "Every infant child must be the beneficiary of reading programs."

Well, folks, which is it? Is the opposition a plagarist patsy, or is the government a preening prima donna? No shades of gray here, folks, it's pure bi-polar debate all the way! Unless you vote for something else.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by shemp
You be the judge (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1092320.htm)



Well, folks, which is it? Is the opposition a plagarist patsy, or is the government a preening prima donna? No shades of gray here, folks, it's pure bi-polar debate all the way! Unless you vote for something else.

Waitaminute...

[crocodile deathroll]

I just think you are drawing a long bow by calling that plagiarism, because was not word for word, at worst it was just a highly unimaginative policy speach. What's the big deal.

This would be closer, unless John Howard's policy speach writer was the US academic Kenneth Pollack:

Mr Howard told the National Press Club on March 13, 2003: "We're talking about a regime that will gouge out the eyes of a child to force a confession from the child's parents. This is a regime that will burn a person's limbs in order to force a confession or compliance. This is a regime that in 2000 decreed the crime of criticising would be punished by the amputation of tongues."


Pollack wrote: "This is a regime that will gouge out the eyes of a child to force a confession from their parents and grandparents. This is a regime that will burn a person's limbs off to force

him to confess or comply. This is a regime that in 2000 decreed that the crime of criticising the regime would be punished by cutting out the offender's tongue."

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by crocodile deathroll
I just think you are drawing a long bow by calling that plagiarism, because was not word for word, at worst it was just a highly unimaginative policy speach. What's the big deal.


I hope you're using the royal 'you', because I don't think it's plagarism at all.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Originally posted by UserGoogol
On a related note, Elton John totally ripped off REO Speedwagon.

Even if Elton John ripped off REO Speedwagon, what has that got to do with the subject at hand?

Charlie (come on end of work day .....) Monoxide

[UserGoogol]

The comparisons seemed equally weak.

[reprise]

Given how central education has been to the Labor party's policies for the last three decades (at least), maybe Clinton plagarised Gough Whitlam.

[Rob Lister]

hey, I just popped in because a poll on global warming automatically took me here.

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