Question about the Challenge

[GroundScore]

ok, i came up with an experiment that proves esp in humans, there is no way to explain the result by any of the five known since, it will be a very visible response to the experiment, i need very little to create the circumstance and requires no special tools, no just a place that means certain parameters in number of people (i will let you choose), and a group of only 3-4 people that aren't trying to attract attention or doing any thing that would. what i a m able to demonstrate is a reaction in others that shows that they were able to sense me with out the use of the five senses, i can not demonstrate any power in me, just that some people have a power, and a good percentage at that. no it seems to me that the nature of the contest is to prove it doesnt exist, and i can do other wise. If, that being the case, i should be able to make a claim, but if it is just about a person having an ability or about using technicalities to prove points, it is not a worry, i happily bit u good day, but if you really care if i have real proof, i will come to u, no cost to you just your time, i will have recorded evidence first to prove i found it, i will take precautions to prove i figured it out and then will show u, i only care about what good i could put the money to, i win, and i know i will if you really are looking for proof, i found it, it comes out the same over and over, no posable explanation but e.s.p.. so will you provide me in writing, witnessed, that i get the money even tho i am not diminstating in me but others, random others, but that i get it by proving it does exist?

[DallasDad]

Does this involve staring at the back of people's heads?

[GroundScore]

i will not give information on the experiment until this is all worked out, i will come to you, i will cover costs, as there aren't any, no details will u pry,

[Weak Kitten]

Does this involve staring at the back of people's heads?

I did a variant of that test on a New York City subway. I watched to see how often people looked at other people in the car without being looked at first. The answer is that people are looking around at other people constantly, all the time. Given the amount that people looked around at each other it would have been a wonder if eyes didn't meet, especially if you look at one person for any length of time.

[GroundScore]

once i have in writing that i will be awarded, i will have timestamped documentation that the experament is mine, and then i will explain the experament to u in person diminstate it, collect and go on, ur are welcome to try to tear it apart before, i just need it legally documented: 1 my right to the claim, the info i know ahead of time, and three the fact that i am making a claim, then u can find out all u want, else someone else is interested and i dont need bother wasting the time

[Oualawouzou]

If you do not state clearly the paranormal claim you wish to prove and the way you aim to prove it, it's impossible (to the best of my knowledge) to say if you are eligible to the MDC. Nobody in his right mind would sign a document stating that a dude will do something, but we don't know what, and if he does that thing, he'll get a million dollars.

ETA: Have you try contacting the JREF directly by e-mail?

[GroundScore]

i will state it after the legal technicalities are taken care of, as i said i will cover cost and come to u, i just need to be able to prove before a judge i am the one who figured it out, i have a right to the prize, any posable arguement u could have with that means that u ether intend on useing my idea or that u dont care of the scintific truth in which case i can find someone interested

[GroundScore]

all i need it to say is i am eligable to the prize if i can show abillity that some humens can do, even if i cant do it myself, the rules state i have to have the abillity, i dont know if i do, i cant test myself, but i do know other people do and i can diminstate it

[Spektator]

You can't apply for the challenge on this Forum. That is not how it works. You really should begin by reading the Frequently Asked Questions page for the challenge rules: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html

[GroundScore]

that is not what i am asking, i know how to apply, this is my last post until someone rereads my post and answers my question?

[Spektator]

No, because you have no protocol. You really need to do your demonstration for the media (establish a media presence) and get your affidavits from professionals, though from your description, I cannot tell what profession they should be in. I can't imagine who would undertake to provide an affidavit without knowing details.

[Metullus]

i will state it after the legal technicalities are taken care of, as i said i will cover cost and come to u, i just need to be able to prove before a judge i am the one who figured it out, i have a right to the prize, any posable arguement u could have with that means that u ether intend on useing my idea or that u dont care of the scintific truth in which case i can find someone interestedWe do not represent JREF. You should contact JREF if you wish to apply for the challenge.

You should know, however, that you will not be able to proceed with the challenge until you have 1) clearly stated what paranormal ability you will be performing and 2) presented a test protocol to JREF that both eliminates mundane explanations (chance, cheating, bias) for the demonstrated ability and provides criteria for success or failure that is unambiguous and self-evident.

[SezMe]

There is no word "u". You cannot take care of legal technicalities unless you learn to spell and punctuate properly. And write clearly, which you have not done yet.

You must first go for a preliminary test/prize. I recommend the IIG (http://www.iigwest.com/).

ETA: They will, of course, require a written protocol. Post your proposed test details here and we can help mash it into proper shape.

[sillyhead]

Lemme try to help. His main question is about some of the wording in the app, such as:


Applicants must state clearly what they claim as the special ability for which they wish to be tested.



if the Applicant is likely to perform as promised


So, basically, he is asking if he would still be eligible if the phenomena he hopes to prove has to do with OTHER people's esp, and that he will not be demonstrating his OWN powers. Does that make sense? I read through the faq and app myself and couldn't find an answer to this question. :)

[GroundScore]

i have left messages with jref, and posted here, i understand that you all dont know, the is a stament to JREF, if they are or arent interested, they have my email and my cell number to get in touch with me

[OnlyTellsTruths]

I think he just wants to know if he is eligible.

Yes, GroundScore, you are eligible for the Million, everyone is eligible!

You are going to have to show your experiment to someone in the media first though.... Local TV or a legitimate newspaper qualify I believe.

[OnlyTellsTruths]

So, basically, he is asking if he would still be eligible if the phenomena he hopes to prove has to do with OTHER people's esp, and that he will not be demonstrating his OWN powers. Does that make sense? I read through the faq and app myself and couldn't find an answer to this question. :)


Ah, I'm quite sure that one doesn't have to personally do something paranormal for the million. One only has to be able to prove something paranormal with a double blind experiment.

[GroundScore]

i got the experiment, i will stand by it, it works, im not about the fame tho, i will prove it to FREF with witnesses, i will lay down what i am doing for them but i need it in writing other wise some reseach wants this or someone, some other prize offering, it all good and wouldnt be offended in the least, would like a reply from them tho. someone wants what i figured out it just a matter of who

[wardenclyffe]

SezMe is correct. Not everyone is a 14 year old girl. For those of us that are old fogeys, it would help a lot to have you capitalize letters where appropriate and cut out all the text-spelling. This is something you need to do if you want to be taken seriously, by skeptics or by anyone else.

I also agree with SezMe when he suggests that you might want to check out www.iigwest.org. That's one of many cash challenges. I will list a bunch of others below. Pick whichever one's closest to you and go for it. But I'm willing to bet that each of them will demand a lot more information before they give you any kind of green light.

Here's that list:

There's the Australian Skeptics' AU$100,000 Prize
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/
They also offer AU$20,000 as a "Spotter's Fee"

There's the IIG's US$50,000 Challenge in California, USA
They now have affiliates in Atlanta, GA and Washington, DC and are developing affiliates in Denver, CO, Calgary, Canada and probably other places as well.
http://www.iigwest.org/challenge.html
They also offer US$5,000 as a "Finder's Fee"

There's the North Texas Skeptic's US$12,000 Challenge in the USA
http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/challenge.htm

There's Prabir Ghosh's 2,000,000 Rupee Challenge in India
http://rationalistprabir.bravehost.com/

There's the Swedish 100,000SeK prize offered by Humanisterna
http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php...d=27&Itemid=49

The Tampa Bay Skeptics offers a US$1000 prize in Florida, USA
http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/challenges.html

In Canada there's the CAN$10,000 from the Quebec Skeptics
http://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/activites/defi

In the UK, the ASKE organization offers £14,000
http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/challenge_rules.htm

Tony Youens in the UK offers £5,000
http://www.tonyyouens.com/challenge.htm

In Finland, Skepsis offers 10,000 Euros
http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/

The Fayetteville Freethinkers in Arkansas, USA offer a US$1000 prize
http://fayfreethinkers.com/

There's a 1,000,000 Yuan prize in China offered by Sima Nan. This is his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/simanan

The Belgian SKEPP organization offers a 10,500 Euro prize
http://www.skepp.be/prijzen/de-sisyphus-prijs/

If you find any broken links, or know of any tests not on this list, please notify me in this thread.

Good Luck,

Ward

[Weak Kitten]

Other than giving you information about the JREF challenge and directing you to other testing groups there really isn't much the people on this forum can do without further information.

Even with further information we really cannot tell you for a fact that JREF will accept your application. We are not JREF representatives, we are merely interested observers with some solid knowledge of protocols and past tests.

If you wish to discuss a protocol or a paranormal ability with us you are welcome to do so. Other than that there is not much we can do for you. You need to go through the normal JREF procedures in order to take the challenge.

[Toke]

If you are not willing to describe you idea/ability for fear of other copying it you will run into a problem.
It has to be described quite clearly what you intent to do, both to determine if it is something supernatural and to set criteria for success and failure.

[chillzero]

It doesn't matter at the moment what he's claiming. His question is whether or not he can apply for the Challenge if he does not have the paranormal ability, but can prove it exists in others.
I think only the JREF can answer that.

[sillyhead]

Yeah, I think that is his main question right now. I'm sure there will be others if he chooses to follow through. He's called all the numbers and has emailed JREF, but I'm not sure if the messages he left were clear enough for a return call. We shall see.