Psychic Sally morgan caught cheating?

[Azrael 5]

Psychic Saly Morgan apparently caught Peter Poppoff style,being fed info .
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-happy-medium-as-psychic-sally-sidekick-prompts-outrage-2874250.html

Interestingly she posts a rebuttal on her own site.
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/grand-canal-theatre-dublin/#more-2353

[bottsranzee]

I bet it was paranormal events.

[Amapola]

Weird. They ask if she were being fed information, and her spokesman says "There are absolutely no plants on Sally's show." But that's not what they asked... ?? Don't other people notice stuff like that? That raises a big red flag for me, but apparently the interviewer was OK with that answer.

[bottsranzee]

Weird. They ask if she were being fed information, and her spokesman says "There are absolutely no plants on Sally's show." But that's not what they asked... ?? Don't other people notice stuff like that? That raises a big red flag for me, but apparently the interviewer was OK with that answer.

You sort of have the answer in your sig, "ignoring is an art... not a science" These spokespeople make statements to distract you from answering the real question. Have you ever watched a presidential debate? Same thing.

[cj.23]

Perhaps merge with existing thread?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=217371

[rjh01]

Was the Theatre in on the cheating?

I wonder if someone can take a radio into (or even near) the next theatre where she is performing to detect the radio transmitter that is being fed into Sally. That would all but seal her fate.

[thenigotoffthebus]

Was the Theatre in on the cheating?
If this happened as described I think it would be highly unlikely that the theatre would be directly involved or aware. The type of scam alleged could surely be done with only Morgan & a few members of her camp in on it.

I wonder if someone can take a radio into (or even near) the next theatre where she is performing to detect the radio transmitter that is being fed into Sally. That would all but seal her fate.
I'm no expert on this subject by any means, but haven't things moved on since Popoff was busted in this way? I would have thought it fairly easy to encrypt such transmissions these days.

[snuffkin]

Was the Theatre in on the cheating?

I wonder if someone can take a radio into (or even near) the next theatre where she is performing to detect the radio transmitter that is being fed into Sally. That would all but seal her fate.

Yes, please someone do!!! all we need is an undercover granny :cool: to smuggle in the necessary kit, past security. lol. There must be groups who have successfully done this before. Or is Popov the only one who's been caught out? What would be the security? Does anyone know the drill? Also, when you book are you given a specified seat number or do you sit anywhere. I've often wondered is that one of the ways she gets her info.. from ticket booking names addresses credit card details etc, which are linked to a person sitting in a seat that Sally will miraculously know all about.

[Blue Wode]

Chris French piece in today's Guardian:

Psychic Sally Morgan hears voices from the other side (via a hidden earpiece)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/20/psychic-sally-morgan-hears-voices?CMP=EMCGT_200911

Not likely to scare off the faithful, though.

[Sideroxylon]

I wonder if someone can take a radio into (or even near) the next theatre where she is performing to detect the radio transmitter that is being fed into Sally. That would all but seal her fate.

This is what is needed to get hard evidence. Someone with a good radio scanner and a knowledge of the frequencies typically used by such devices.

It could be that the theatre was correct and the people hearing the voices were sceptics who only interpreted what they were able to catch from the voices as being repeated by the medium 10 seconds later.

[Rrose Selavy]

I would have thought as with any scam, the less people in the know the less likely it is rumbled. So I would be very surprised if the Theatres are in on it. There too much extra risk for her and the reputations of the venues.
Clearly she is actually psychic. There is no other possible explanation.:D

[zenbuffy]

Was the Theatre in on the cheating?

I wonder if someone can take a radio into (or even near) the next theatre where she is performing to detect the radio transmitter that is being fed into Sally. That would all but seal her fate.

Some people on Twitter are talking about doing just that. She's coming back to Dublin in March 2012, but her shows are sold out, which honestly baffles me.

This is what is needed to get hard evidence. Someone with a good radio scanner and a knowledge of the frequencies typically used by such devices.

It could be that the theatre was correct and the people hearing the voices were sceptics who only interpreted what they were able to catch from the voices as being repeated by the medium 10 seconds later.

I wish one of the people who heard voices had thought to whip out a phone or something and press record. Without that, it's just speculation as to whether she had them working there, even if it seems likely.

It could just be skeptics, but the fact that it seems to have come from multiple, unrelated sources makes me think that it may not be simply an attempt to discredit her. Have you listened to the LiveLine interview in question? It's here, if you want to give it a listen.

I've seen her tv show, and the techniques she uses are so obviously cold reading that it's amazing anyone believes it. Worse still, she actually asks people to leave video messages, write her notes, and deliver photos of loved ones prior to the show starting. Even if she doesn't have a plant, there's enough info there for her hot reading to be radioactive (no pun intended). I've linked a few good examples of really obvious cold reading, and the bit on her website that tells you to give her all the information that she could possibly need, here (http://t.co/PpDh2xXC). (Hilarious aside - Oh, there's a Bernard, why's he saying that. Audience member: That's my nan (grandmother). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14sIoE8qT4&feature=player_detailpage) )

I've also gotten in touch with a friend of mine who's in the theatre business (lighting, specifically) to ask him if he knows the two lads mentioned in the article, or another contact, etc. I'll see if I can't do a bit of discreet digging on that angle and if I find out anything, I'll let you all know!

[Sideroxylon]

It could just be skeptics, but the fact that it seems to have come from multiple, unrelated sources makes me think that it may not be simply an attempt to discredit her. Have you listened to the LiveLine interview in question? It's here, if you want to give it a listen.


I wasn't suggesting people might be lying to discredit her, but rather they could simply have heard a few words from behind and mistakenly made matches to what the medium was saying. A recording would have been good, but without the like, they could have been mistaken.

I might check out more of her, but it seems if you have seen a few, you have seen them all.

[snuffkin]

Some people on Twitter are talking about doing just that.......
I've also gotten in touch with a friend of mine who's in the theatre business (lighting, specifically) to ask him if he knows the two lads mentioned in the article, or another contact, etc. I'll see if I can't do a bit of discreet digging on that angle and if I find out anything, I'll let you all know!

Go Zenbuffy!! :D

[snuffkin]

Haha.. here's Sally's statement in reply to the Guardian article today.
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/official-statement-in-regards-to-the-guardian/

which she has also just posted on her facebook page https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=22188&post=243130&uid=200269315659#!/sallymorgantv (lucky for her, pretty much EVERY single fan STILL believes her. (!??)

... I like it how she says she's nothing like Popov, because their acts are different. The earpiece bit was the same though, wasn't it?

[Rrose Selavy]

I hope it destroys her but she'll probably just about get away with this among many of her dearly devoted fans - although one in the report was very disillusioned with her. However she may have to change her modus operandi the next time she works a venue in case someone is planning a way of listening in a la Popov/Randi exposure.
I would also suggest a warrant for her arrest be issued for the bad use of the apostrophe in her answer.

I have also been informed of another theory, that staff from the theatre were going around the audience digging for information. To think that everyone at the theatre’s I perform in are involved in a big conspiracy is ludicrous.
It is unfortunate that with my work, my accuracy stirs, in some people, the need to prove that it isn’t accurate. People wonder “where am I getting messages from” and for many they would only ever understand if t could be explained scientifically.
The work that I do opens up so many possibilities for us, but there are many people that are closed off to these. I completely understand this, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and idea’s, I myself ask questions about what I do every day.

[snuffkin]

Lol. Hmmm. She asks herself questions about what she does every day. I bet... 'How the bleedin' hell am I still getting away with this constant BULL?! Oh, well. Woo- Hooo!!'

Sally, get it right:

*theatres
*ideas

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Chris French piece in today's Guardian:

Psychic Sally Morgan hears voices from the other side (via a hidden earpiece)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/20/psychic-sally-morgan-hears-voices?CMP=EMCGT_200911

Not likely to scare off the faithful, though.

That Guardian web page has Google Ad links to three on-line psychic web sites. :sigh:

[Duffy Moon]

Dara O'Briain tweeted a Sally-related anecdote yesterday:

She had been performing in Derry, Northern Ireland and asked if anybody had lost a loved one.

"The wain (http://www.slang.ie/index.php?county=all&entry=wain&letter=W)", replied a man.

Sure enough, our Sal then started to get a message from.......




....'Dwayne'.

[SezMe]

More than 2,000 people attended the show (the venue seats 2,111). I could not find any information about ticket prices but I'd guess she is making a LOT of money off this. And she's back for two more nights next year. What a grifter.

[snuffkin]

I think the ticket prices started at 40 euros. And not forgetting the merchandising which she plugs heavily on stage. Her books, her dvd, etc. She even stays behind at the end to sign them... making sure she sell tons.

From what I've read on the reviews section of TicketMaster website, half of the stage show is about promoting herself, taking about her diet, her tv show, with pre-recorded clips showing her amazing readings done on 'celebrities' (usually Page 3 models, or the cast of Hollyoaks) being shown on a big screen. She also makes time for a glitzy costume change during the interval. lol. What an attention seeking idiot.

[zenbuffy]

Well, I've discovered that, since I last checked, some more tickets have gone on sale for her Dublin show in March 2012. Am seriously considering buying one, and have also sourced some inexpensive radio scanner possibilities on ebay. I wonder if there's a specific frequency band that radio mics usually work off?

My theatre mate, by the way, says that these kind of mistakes (i.e. a window being open and chatter being overheard) just don't happen by accident. Maybe some theatre staff opened the window on purpose?

[commandlinegamer]

Let's say alleged psychics were banned tomorrow.

Would that drive the practice into the underworld?

[Rrose Selavy]

Let's say alleged psychics were banned tomorrow.

Would that drive the practice into the underworld?

Do you mean the Spirit Underworld?:eek:

[snuffkin]

24/09/2011, 7:45pm
Orchard Theatre
DARTFORD
+44 (0)1322 220 000
Book Now


looks like the Dartford one isn't sold out :) Anyone in that area with the relevant expertise?? There must be a local skeptics group?

As for the Dublin one in March 2012, Zenbuffy - Go for it!!

[thenigotoffthebus]

Some of the comments on Sally's blog regarding this incident are quite amusing. Its moderated so some people are obviously thinly disguising their posts as praise to get past moderation. Either the person approving comments isn't very bright, or just doesn't care. This one made me giggle:
I for one believe you Sally. I mean, how bad would it be if you actually were just receiving radio signals from back stage. That would mean you were making your living by blatantly lying to grieving people when they were at their most vulnerable. What sort of horrible low life charlatan would do such a thing. It would take someone with no conscience, no sense of decency, and no respect for the feelings of others. That is why I believe you. No matter what the evidence and logic have to say on the matter, I don’t believe that you could possibly be so cold, cruel, and heartless as to do such a thing.

[Sideroxylon]

Some of the comments on Sally's blog regarding this incident are quite amusing. Its moderated so some people are obviously thinly disguising their posts as praise to get past moderation. Either the person approving comments isn't very bright, or just doesn't care. This one made me giggle:

Thanks for sharing :D

[Rrose Selavy]

Some of the comments on Sally's blog regarding this incident are quite amusing. Its moderated so some people are obviously thinly disguising their posts as praise to get past moderation. Either the person approving comments isn't very bright, or just doesn't care. This one made me giggle:


"Is there anyone in the room? I'm entering the spirit world. I'm getting a name. Is there a Char....Charlie...Charlotte....Charl...Charlatan..
in the room?"

[Azrael 5]

I've had two comments fail at mdoerating stage,so I post on her Facebook,strangely she isnt censoring that.

[Sideroxylon]

She does put a good spin on the situation:
It is unfortunate that with my work, my accuracy stirs, in some people, the need to prove that it isn’t accurate. People wonder, “where am I getting messages from” and for many they would only ever understand if t could be explained scientifically.
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/official-statement-in-regards-to-the-guardian/

[Azrael 5]

The Telegraph and Daily Star are running articles today,curiously seems you cant post on her Facebook now(to me at least).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/iain-hollingshead/8779222/Psychic-Sally-Morgan-once-a-confidante-to-Diana-Princess-of-Wales-is-accused-of-foul-play.-Are-we-surprised.html

[snuffkin]

I have just been blocked from the Sally Morgan Public Figure page (the one with 4,300 odd fans) for no reason whatsoever, other than posting articles from The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Independent about her accusations of fraud. Freedom of Speech anyone?? Please can you speak up for those of us who dare to challenge her by clicking 'like' on her page and commenting on the facts she is now so desperately trying to have moderated or deleted. https://www.facebook.com/sallymorgantv

All my comments over the past week have been removed. They were all polite and reasonable, they simply put forward a view that she and her gullible fans didn't like.

[P.J. Denyer]

While I'm pleased it's getting the attention, I'm surprised how big this is in the papers. Today psychics getting their info from mundain sources, tommorrow 'Bears in Woods defeciation Shock!'


Right I'm off to write my sizzling expose of the Popes links to the Catholic Church.....:D

[Aepervius]

Weird. They ask if she were being fed information, and her spokesman says "There are absolutely no plants on Sally's show." But that's not what they asked... ?? Don't other people notice stuff like that? That raises a big red flag for me, but apparently the interviewer was OK with that answer.

Anybody pretending to be psychic, especially on big audience, rise a huge huge huge red carmin flag to me... Be it cold or hot reading does not matter.

[Aepervius]

I have just been blocked from the Sally Morgan Public Figure page (the one with 4,300 odd fans) for no reason whatsoever, other than posting articles from The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Independent about her accusations of fraud. Freedom of Speech anyone?? Please can you speak up for those of us who dare to challenge her by clicking 'like' on her page and commenting on the facts she is now so desperately trying to have moderated or deleted. https://www.facebook.com/sallymorgantv

All my comments over the past week have been removed. They were all polite and reasonable, they simply put forward a view that she and her gullible fans didn't like.

You have your freedom of speech only protected by (or against) the government. Private entity can curtail your speech as much as they wish.

[snuffkin]

Sally's just proudly announced on her fb page and Twitter 'Uri Geller defends the world of Psychics'. lol. Oh, well, if Uri 'spoon bender' Geller said it, then it must be true.

[petra10]

I used to be of the mind that if people are gullible enough to believe such tripe then maybe they deserve to lose their money.Plus they may actually get some sort of comfort from it.
I have since changed my mind big time.
These people are not stupid and gullible, they are deeply sad, grieving for love ones and desperately trying to understand their loss.
Sally and her gang should be exposed at every oppertunity!

[snuffkin]

Agreed. I find her tactless and insensitive to say the least. I read on one the reviews from an audience member that during the show Sally said she had a child on stage crying out for it's mother. A child who had been abandoned, given up for adoption before being murdered. How vile for to put this thought into a grieving mother's head in the audience. It is very damaging and dangerous because people take what she is saying as true. She does this all in the name of 'entertainment' and for her own self promotion.

[Sideroxylon]

This is an embarrassing failure:
K14sIoE8qT4

[Sideroxylon]

This one is interesting. Either she had prior knowledge of the items she was presented or she has supper powers.
tgoXvAUyyL0

[cj.23]

Bah, I guess I'll mention my blog posts on it

http://jerome23.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/when-psychics-fail-beyond-sally-morgan/
http://jerome23.wordpress.com/2011/09/13/how-sally-met-infamy-psychic-sally-morgan-caught-or-was-she/

which are possibly more boring than you can begin to imagine, and then let's have something controversial from The Daily Grail page --

http://www.dailygrail.com/Skepticism/2011/9/Skeptics-Anecdote-is-Evidence

And if not completely fed up try

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/iain-hollingshead/8779222/Psychic-Sally-Morgan-once-a-confidante-to-Diana-Princess-of-Wales-is-accused-of-foul-play.-Are-we-surprised.html - The Telegraph

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/212179/Princess-Diana-psychic-didn-t-see-row-coming/ - The Daily Star

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040285/What-load-crystal-balls-As-Dianas-psychic-accused-cheating-stage-TV-illusionist-exposes-trickery-fool-audience.html?ito=feeds-newsxml - The Daily Mail

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/876125-tv-psychic-sally-morgan-aided-by-voice-from-beyond-the-stage - The Metro

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15004103 - BBC News

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/20/psychic-sally-morgan-hears-voices - The Guardian

and the best and original piece on the affair --
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-happy-medium-as-psychic-sally-sidekick-prompts-outrage-2874250.html - The Irish Independent

You can hear the RTE broadcast here now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiQF-NR6h8M

Wish the excellent Irish Skeptic "The Druid" was still active, he'd love all this :)

Anyhow, just a quick resource for anyone following it all ;)

[catsmate1]

Some people on Twitter are talking about doing just that. She's coming back to Dublin in March 2012, but her shows are sold out, which honestly baffles me.
Thanks for the notification, I've passed this on to some people.:D

[snuffkin]

CJ... WOW! Thank you for that fabulous list of resources. Excellent.

Could you perhaps post it on the Sally Morgan public page on facebook?? The one with 4,300 followers. Reason being, myself and others had been posting these all week with the intention of opening up discussion with her 'followers', but we have now been blocked for no reason. As we were the main persistent skeptics on her page we caught her attention and she obviously decided to silence the 'negative' viewpoints on her wall - she did not respond to our questions at all. Would be fabulous to have these posted by someone new. Especially in one big 'hit'.

Just a thought :)

[Azrael 5]

Maybe add this to your list cj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14sIoE8qT4&feature=related
:D

[desertgal]

This mentions the JREF challenge. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/iain-hollingshead/8779222/Psychic-Sally-Morgan-once-a-confidante-to-Diana-Princess-of-Wales-is-accused-of-foul-play.-Are-we-surprised.html)

Which is why I’d like to see Sally Morgan, instead of issuing denials or taking more money off vulnerable people, attempt the James Randi Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. First introduced in 1964 by this magician and rationalist campaigner, it offers a cash prize for the first person to offer proof of the paranormal. Despite 40 to 60 applicants being considered at any one time, not one has passed the simple preliminary tests.

[sadhatter]

If this happened as described I think it would be highly unlikely that the theatre would be directly involved or aware. The type of scam alleged could surely be done with only Morgan & a few members of her camp in on it.


I'm no expert on this subject by any means, but haven't things moved on since Popoff was busted in this way? I would have thought it fairly easy to encrypt such transmissions these days.

I have to rebut this.

As a theater guy, i can say it is simply a case of the psychic in question saying " I need X done for my show, do you have the people to do X ?" theater owners view a psychic as just another performer, and just as a comedian may need light ques, a psychic may need things dropped from the ceiling, a spooky noise from the PA ( attributed of course to ghosts or the like.) or a couple of people feeding information.

The better the show, the more chance for a repeat performance, it is really an equal opportunity kind of thing. They wouldn't divulge how a magician does his tricks, nor would they divulge how a psychic does theirs.

[snuffkin]

http://www.sallymorgan.tv/?page_id=61

tour dates... few tickets left... if anyone can go along :)

[snuffkin]

This mentions the JREF challenge. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/iain-hollingshead/8779222/Psychic-Sally-Morgan-once-a-confidante-to-Diana-Princess-of-Wales-is-accused-of-foul-play.-Are-we-surprised.html)

desertgal, :)I've been posting that quote like mad on Sally's fb page. hehe. I'll probably be deleted. Again. :D

[thenigotoffthebus]

I have to rebut this.

As a theater guy, i can say it is simply a case of the psychic in question saying " I need X done for my show, do you have the people to do X ?" theater owners view a psychic as just another performer, and just as a comedian may need light ques, a psychic may need things dropped from the ceiling, a spooky noise from the PA ( attributed of course to ghosts or the like.) or a couple of people feeding information.

The better the show, the more chance for a repeat performance, it is really an equal opportunity kind of thing. They wouldn't divulge how a magician does his tricks, nor would they divulge how a psychic does theirs.
Perhaps but I'm still doubtful. This would essentially mean she was risking a very sizable income based on the trust of many people she doesnt know, when theres absolutely no need to take that risk. Bear in mind she is a bit of a celebrity in the UK. A theater worker could make some easy money by tipping off the tabloids and Sally will be well aware of that fact.

The difference between "psychics" and other theater performers is that they are being dishonest whereas the other performers are not.

Ask yourself this: If you were a theater worker on an average wage who had to assist the likes of Sylvia Browne & Sally Morgan get rich by deceiving vulnerable/grieving people, would you keep quiet about it? Wouldn't you consider exposing them, even if anonymously so you didnt lose your job? I'm pretty sure most people on this board would do just that. I know I would.

It may not be the norm in the "biz" but I dont think the norm would apply in this case.

[snuffkin]

Ask yourself this: If you were a theater worker on an average wage who had to assist the likes of Sylvia Browne & Sally Morgan get rich by deceiving vulnerable/grieving people, would you keep quiet about it? Wouldn't you consider exposing them, even if anonymously so you didnt lose your job? I'm pretty sure most people on this board would do just that. I know I would.

It may not be the norm in the "biz" but I dont think the norm would apply in this case.

Absolutely. I also think it would only need be sally and one other person who was in on it. Or her immediate crew, who would be made to sign a confidentiality agreement anyway.

I don't believe the theatre were in on it at all. Maybe just by throwing out two names of the lighting techs(if the even really exist)? as a scapegoat they would be saving themselves from losing all the ticket money that might be demanded back by the audience members. Also they have her booked for March next year so they don't want to miss out on that money spinner.

[welshdean]

This one is interesting. Either she had prior knowledge of the items she was presented or she has supper powers.
tgoXvAUyyL0

Looking at her I'd agree. Probably fish supper powers.
:D

[snuffkin]

Yesterday it was Uri Geller, now its this woman defending Sally's supper powers!! (she's from 'psychic-chat.org'.. says it all!!)

Sally's just proundly posted it on her fan page... and yep, they're lapping it up. Good Grief.

Michelle V Woods
Over the past couple of days I have chimed in and commented on a post that maybe I shouldn't have but I did/do feel that what was being said was untrue and unfair.

The recent controversy over the Dublin show really seems to have rubbed some people up the wrong way and rightfully so, IF you believe the accusations against Sally Morgan. My whole disagreement with the posts that I responded to, was mainly because I felt that the person who was made the original statement about Sally did it quite aggressively to get a reaction... and they did!!

But really when it comes down to the facts are Sally Morgan hasn't always done big shows, she EARNED her name because of how accurate and helpful she was in private readings, she can meet people on the spot and tell them some of the most intimate/private details of their lives. For many years she has worked hard to get the following she has now and it's only in very recent years she has hit the big time... but her amazing talent was well established by then.

After 100's if not 1000's of shows, she does one to Dublin, one of the many cities on a very well received and highly acclaimed tour. Afterwards, 2 woman complained about hearing a man on the other side of an open window "sending message to Sally", one lady said he had an Irish accent and the other said he had an English one, both went on to complain about the seats they had being so far back from the stage that they thought they may have been forgotten about and then they stayed to watch the rest of the show. Oh and they complained about the money too...

I'll leave you to make up your own minds on the matter and have attached a link of "THAT" radio phone-in for you all to hear exactly what was said. I just felt that to rubbish someone's long and respected career calling her a disgrace and greedy

http://www.psychic-chat.org/ezine002-sally-morgan.html

Thank you Michelle, glad to see that someone is looking at the source of the allegations. xSx

[rjh01]

Perhaps but I'm still doubtful. This would essentially mean she was risking a very sizable income based on the trust of many people she doesnt know, when theres absolutely no need to take that risk. Bear in mind she is a bit of a celebrity in the UK. A theater worker could make some easy money by tipping off the tabloids and Sally will be well aware of that fact.

The difference between "psychics" and other theater performers is that they are being dishonest whereas the other performers are not.

Ask yourself this: If you were a theater worker on an average wage who had to assist the likes of Sylvia Browne & Sally Morgan get rich by deceiving vulnerable/grieving people, would you keep quiet about it? Wouldn't you consider exposing them, even if anonymously so you didnt lose your job? I'm pretty sure most people on this board would do just that. I know I would.

It may not be the norm in the "biz" but I dont think the norm would apply in this case.

How could a person expose her (or anyone like her) in such a way as to leave no doubt? Recording what that person says could be one way, but Sally would also need to be recorded, probably on the same tape or it could easily be a fake. Anyone else got better ideas?

[ttguy]

This one is interesting. Either she had prior knowledge of the items she was presented or she has super powers.
tgoXvAUyyL0

No prior knowledge or super powers needed when you have a nose peek blindfold on. Her blindfold is the classic nose peek blindfold. It is quite fun. Put a blindfold on like she has here and you can see heaps of stuff down the gaps on either side of your nose.

So you can see that you are holding a sargent peppers shirt, you can read writing on a plaque that may be on a phonograph or on some curt cobain memorabilia. And you can read a name off a guitar too.

[cj.23]

I don't believe the theatre were in on it at all. Maybe just by throwing out two names of the lighting techs(if the even really exist)? as a scapegoat they would be saving themselves from losing all the ticket money that might be demanded back by the audience members. Also they have her booked for March next year so they don't want to miss out on that money spinner.

I spoke to the theatre: the techs exist, though the Irish Independent spelt Stewart's name wrong - they had it as Stuart. In fact the theatre are absolutely clear the techs talking were what were heard -- and they shut the window, not the usherette, from inside the Follow Spot Room.

So Sally may well use an earpiece or other trickery, but I don't think the punters caught her doing it. They just misinterpreted normal talking showing the fallibility of witness testimony, or the theatre is lying which I find highly unlikely given two employees have now given their accounts, one in the paper, one in correspondence with me. But who knows? :)

cj x

[Azrael 5]

I spoke to the theatre: the techs exist, though the Irish Independent spelt Stewart's name wrong - they had it as Stuart. In fact the theatre are absolutely clear the techs talking were what were heard -- and they shut the window, not the usherette, from inside the Follow Spot Room.

So Sally may well use an earpiece or other trickery, but I don't think the punters caught her doing it. They just misinterpreted normal talking showing the fallibility of witness testimony, or the theatre is lying which I find highly unlikely given two employees have now given their accounts, one in the paper, one in correspondence with me. But who knows? :)

cj x

This was always likliest option,still its given her a few days of being hot under the collar no doubt. ;)

[Sideroxylon]

No prior knowledge or super powers needed when you have a nose peek blindfold on. Her blindfold is the classic nose peek blindfold. It is quite fun. Put a blindfold on like she has here and you can see heaps of stuff down the gaps on either side of your nose.

So you can see that you are holding a sargent peppers shirt, you can read writing on a plaque that may be on a phonograph or on some curt cobain memorabilia. And you can read a name off a guitar too.

I had a quick look and found that the Hard Rock Cafe has an on-line catalogue of around 1,600 items held in Britain. Who knows what other printed brochures and catalogues may be available. All of the items belonged to rock icons and I wonder if they had gone for something obscure how she would have gone. The only thing she was uncertain about was Richie Vallens' name, though she knew the item and a little bit about his history.

[Azrael 5]

*deleted*

[zooterkin]

As a result of this story Hayley (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=38836) Stevens (of the Righteous Indignation podcast (http://parafort.com/)) has started Project Barnum (http://www.projectbarnum.co.uk/), to at least raise awareness of the tricks psychics and mediums use.

Project Barnum was born after news broke in September 2011 that self-proclaimed psychic, Sally Morgan, had been accused by audience members at one of her shows of being fed information. Speculation, accusations and denials were thrown left, right and centre, yet there was one group of people caught in the cross fire – the audience who had parted with their money…

Project Barnum founder, Hayley Stevens, saw this and decided that something had to be done. Hayley had interviewed numerous psychics and mediums as the host for a popular podcast; this experience culminated in Hayley realising that it wasn’t targeting those who believe they are mediums or psychics that would help stop people being misled, but instead targeting the act of preying on those ignorant of the tricks being used that would have the most success

They are collecting names on a petition (http://www.projectbarnum.co.uk/?page_id=185).

We are collecting names from people who agree that theatre goers shouldn’t have to chance being tricked out of their money. Add your name today – we will be emailing this petition to all the theatres in the UK who are currently hosting psychic shows in 2011 & 2012 (our team have been hard at work finding them all, help us make this a success!)


ETA: Just noticed there is a separate thread about it (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=220269) already.

[snuffkin]

Cool! Excellent news... I'm off to check this out :)

[Azrael 5]

Noticed that all links pertaining to the story last week have gone offline! Daily Mail ,Metro Daily Star,Telegraph. All gone.
Very odd,maybe some legal goings on as most news sites accept comments and alot of them weren't postive. I'm familiar with editor of mail online so will ask him .

[Azrael 5]

Humourosly i sent project barnum link to Sally Morgan on twitter asking her to sign. :D

[Garrette]

Humourosly i sent project barnum link to Sally Morgan on twitter asking her to sign. :DNo you didn't. It was just a stagehand running the spotlight relaying some technical information. You merely interpreted it as you sending her the link.

Will you people never leave Sally alone?

[snuffkin]

Humourosly i sent project barnum link to Sally Morgan on twitter asking her to sign. :D

I love you. :D

[snuffkin]

Noticed that all links pertaining to the story last week have gone offline! Daily Mail ,Metro Daily Star,Telegraph. All gone.
Very odd,maybe some legal goings on as most news sites accept comments and alot of them weren't postive. I'm familiar with editor of mail online so will ask him .

How odd. I didn't realise the could take newspaper articles off. I just assumed once it was out there it was out there, if you know what I mean! Since it's already been printed they can't hide it.

Will be interesting if you could find out what's going on. Meanwhile, on the Sally Morgan fb page.. numbers of non-Sally fans posting are definitely on the increase :) Paul Zenon, who spoke in The Daily Mail also posted late last night asking her a question about the earpiece! She hasn't responded. His comment was deleted, then he re-posted again and its since been kind of swamped with the usual 'I love you Sally' fan ones again.

[snuffkin]

Just checked the links.. you are right! All taken down! Wow! And yes, the majority of comments were negative and calling for her to be locked up! Or at least prove her claims of being able speak to dead people at the drop of a hat. lol

[Foolmewunz]

I had a quick look and found that the Hard Rock Cafe has an on-line catalogue of around 1,600 items held in Britain. Who knows what other printed brochures and catalogues may be available. All of the items belonged to rock icons and I wonder if they had gone for something obscure how she would have gone. The only thing she was uncertain about was Richie Vallens' name, though she knew the item and a little bit about his history.

That bit was a joke. First, the blindfold wasn't checked by anyone and as Randi and numerous others have shown over the years, blindfold schtick is a common scam. Secondly, as you mention, The Hard Rock isn't exactly secretive about their collections - they're on display, the have catalogues, and they announce new acquisitions. Amazingly, the spirit world only told her very well known facts about the stars.

[rjh01]

Noticed that all links pertaining to the story last week have gone offline! Daily Mail ,Metro Daily Star,Telegraph. All gone.
Very odd,maybe some legal goings on as most news sites accept comments and alot of them weren't postive. I'm familiar with editor of mail online so will ask him .
I just checked the links in the OP and in post 9 and both are still valid. What am I not understanding?

[Rrose Selavy]

Noticed that all links pertaining to the story last week have gone offline! Daily Mail ,Metro Daily Star,Telegraph. All gone.
Very odd,maybe some legal goings on as most news sites accept comments and alot of them weren't postive. I'm familiar with editor of mail online so will ask him .

No they haven't . They're all still working for me.

[bindeweede]

No they haven't . They're all still working for me.

Me too.

[Sideroxylon]

That bit was a joke. First, the blindfold wasn't checked by anyone and as Randi and numerous others have shown over the years, blindfold schtick is a common scam. Secondly, as you mention, The Hard Rock isn't exactly secretive about their collections - they're on display, the have catalogues, and they announce new acquisitions. Amazingly, the spirit world only told her very well known facts about the stars.

True, but the viewers were deceived by emphasis that these items had come out of the depths of their impenetrable vault. Why did the curator guy feel the need to suggest that she'd need X-ray vision to know what they had?

[zooterkin]

I had a quick look and found that the Hard Rock Cafe has an on-line catalogue of around 1,600 items held in Britain. Who knows what other printed brochures and catalogues may be available. All of the items belonged to rock icons and I wonder if they had gone for something obscure how she would have gone. The only thing she was uncertain about was Richie Vallens' name, though she knew the item and a little bit about his history.

That clip is also heavily edited, so we have no idea how many questions she asked, and how many wrong guesses there might have been.

[snuffkin]

The links are back. But they were off line for a time. Any ideas why this might be?!

[Foolmewunz]

Wow! Psychic Sally is great - she got John Lennon's spirit from what's very likely a replica that he never owned. (The London Hard Rock shirt is missing the nametag over the right pocket - "Reinhardt".)

Why not get your own for the Dublin show, guys? Everyone show up in one!

http://hollywoodprop.com/lennonshirts.htm



The actual shirt.... Well, in addition to that lovely singing voice, maybe Yoko's a psychic? She seems to have identified it, even through plexiglass. :p
(timestamp 00:39)

IH0PkGiqgW4

[snuffkin]

Why not get your own for the Dublin show, guys? Everyone show up in one!

http://hollywoodprop.com/lennonshirts.htm

]

Lol. I would, but for $140 I won't.:D


Saw this earlier, I've copied from SM fb page: "Question for Sally (from Jon Donnis): Is it true that you travel with your own sound crew for your live shows, and that the theatre staff are not allowed near your sound crew? Simple question that EVERYONE would like to know the answer too! Remember I asked you to contact me directly, but you ignored me so now I have to make this public!! And remember who I am, I only ask questions I already know the answer too."

Love it! Keep up the great work Jon... hehe

[Sideroxylon]

Good to see Jon Donnis involved. He gave up on his website a couple of years back, didn't he?

[Rrose Selavy]

The links are back. But they were off line for a time. Any ideas why this might be?!

Psychic forces that you will never explain by science.

[dawn]

Seriously makes you wonder how much proof her blind believers need? :confused:

[lucan]

Jon Donnis has this as well:
http://moh2005.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=medpsy&action=display&thread=10149

[Sideroxylon]

Jon Donnis has this as well:
http://moh2005.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=medpsy&action=display&thread=10149

Well done, Mr Donnis.

[lucan]

Yes it is 100% proof that Sally wears an earpice

[desertgal]

Seriously makes you wonder how much proof her blind believers need? :confused:

Depends on the individual believer and how much they want to believe.

[snuffkin]

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/are-all-psychics-fake/#.ToILk1YD3C8.facebook

Paul Zenon was great on This Morning :D another deluded 'psychic' has now agreed to the million dollar challenge.. free travel and camera crew, all provided by This Morning. Looks like this woman's bagged herself some publicity and a free holiday! But she sure as heck won't pass the test.:D

[Azrael 5]

I just checked the links in the OP and in post 9 and both are still valid. What am I not understanding?

I was mistaken in thinking OP's link were ones Id seen on another foum which had indeed been removed.Trying to find them atm.

[thenigotoffthebus]

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/are-all-psychics-fake/#.ToILk1YD3C8.facebook

Paul Zenon was great on This Morning :D another deluded 'psychic' has now agreed to the million dollar challenge.. free travel and camera crew, all provided by This Morning. Looks like this woman's bagged herself some publicity and a free holiday! But she sure as heck won't pass the test.:D
That was actually pretty good. The rational side of the argument rarely gets a fair crack of the whip on these lightweight daytime shows but I thought Paul Zenon did really well there. However my psychic abilities are telling me, that after a little internet research, that lady wont be applying for the challenge.

[Rrose Selavy]

Here are a couple of quoted replies posted on her site. Hmm if you cold read (as well as hot), not surprising more than one person thinks it's for them


Hi Sally.
I too was at the show in Dublin, and apart from the odd few thinking a message was for them when it wasn’t, it was a fantastic show.




i was at your show on sunday it was a great show just a few EEJITS hopping up all over the place thinking the message was for them


-

[edd]

She's already described the Challenge as 'a bit dodgy legally'
https://twitter.com/#!/psychiclc

I thought PZ (not PZM!) was a bit abrasive and interrupted a bit often, but I can understand why and he made his points clearly (and really nailed it when backing them up).

I hope LC goes through with it, and I hope she wins (always fun to be wrong) but I obviously expect she won't, and I also expect she won't go through with it.

[bindeweede]

She's already described the Challenge as 'a bit dodgy legally'



I hope LC goes through with it, and I hope she wins (always fun to be wrong) but I obviously expect she won't, and I also expect she won't go through with it.

I have been trying to find out how many people have agreed to the Challenge but later dropped out. I have not managed to get that info. Help appreciated.

[cj.23]

In relation to Jon's footage, is that an earpiece SM is wearing? It looks like a clip on microphone?

cj x

[rjh01]

She's already described the Challenge as 'a bit dodgy legally'
https://twitter.com/#!/psychiclc

I thought PZ (not PZM!) was a bit abrasive and interrupted a bit often, but I can understand why and he made his points clearly (and really nailed it when backing them up).

I hope LC goes through with it, and I hope she wins (always fun to be wrong) but I obviously expect she won't, and I also expect she won't go through with it.

That is not Sally Morgan. There is a separate thread on that topic here
A new challenger for the Million dollars! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=220444)

[tuoni]

In relation to Jon's footage, is that an earpiece SM is wearing? It looks like a clip on microphone?

cj xIf you watch the video you can very clearly see her take it out of her ear (or, in fact, take earpieces out of both) - the microphone she wears appears to be one of the stage ones which loop around your neck/back of your head and stick out along your jaw. The pixellation from the zooming doesn't help but it's definitely an earpiece.

[dawn]

I watched that link too, and you can clearly see her take it out of her inner ear.

[snuffkin]

Hi cj :) There is a debate about that going on over on the SM fb page. The fans are saying it's an ear plug. Or its an earpiece worn to take direction from the floor manager?! But I would say it definitely looks like an earpiece with a wire coming from it. In another clip you can see the long wire hanging from her top.

[Rrose Selavy]

You can see the dark object of it in her ear just before she leaves stage. Unless she is hearing impaired, which she hasn't said, why should she need it?

[desertgal]

Hi cj :) There is a debate about that going on over on the SM fb page. The fans are saying it's an ear plug. Or its an earpiece worn to take direction from the floor manager?!

Well, I can clearly see her removing something from BOTH her ears...and my question would be, why would she wear earplugs during a performance where she, presumably, talks to and needs to hear members of the audience?

[snuffkin]

She also maintains that she hears nothing going into her ears. She only wears a mic which hooks around her ear which she speaks into. She had denied using earpieces or receiving information.

I also find it very odd that the two lighting technicians who were named and blamed as 'the voice' that was heard by the women in the audience have still not been interviewed. Do they even exist?

[Azrael 5]

Latest developments.From SM's Facebook
For those of you who are waiting for me to make further comment on the recent allegations, the matter is currently in the hands of my legal advisers and we will make a further statement in due course xSx

[bindeweede]

Latest developments.From SM's Facebook

I had to smile at a recent comment on Sally's FB page. ""I hope Sally hires Perry Mason to defend herself, Yes he's dead, but that doesn't matter, and he wasn't a real Lawyer, but Sally's not a real psychic, so it'll all work out in the end."

[SkeptiKilt]

The links are back. But they were off line for a time. Any ideas why this might be?!

As an IT professional, I assure you that the more you know about computers the more amazing it is that they work at all. :wide-eyed Most likely one of the many computers through which your request had to travel was having a digital senior moment.

[Filippo Lippi]

I had to smile at a recent comment on Sally's FB page. ""I hope Sally hires Perry Mason to defend herself, Yes he's dead, but that doesn't matter, and he wasn't a real Lawyer, but Sally's not a real psychic, so it'll all work out in the end."

A psychic? In court? Under oath? Priceless.

[snuffkin]

Apparently on the James Randi fb page there was mention of an official challenge issued to Sally Morgan by the President of JREF on a Manchester radio station this week? Is this true and if so do we have a recording of it?

[rjh01]

Apparently on the James Randi fb page there was mention of an official challenge issued to Sally Morgan by the President of JREF on a Manchester radio station this week? Is this true and if so do we have a recording of it?

Try this for starters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQU4ohwvYjY

Edit. That does not appear to be the right video, however this says it is http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog.html

[zooterkin]

Try this for starters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQU4ohwvYjY

Edit. That does not appear to be the right video, however this says it is http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog.html

Yes, it is the right video, I happened to watch it last night. The MDC is mentioned at 13:25.

ETA: Ok, no, that's not DJ announcing a specific challenge to Sally, but the MDC being explained (and the TV company saying they would pay for the psychic on the show (not Sally) to travel the the US to take it). Unless she's very good at lying, I think the girl on that show may well have been someone who genuinely thinks she has an ability. I don't think she'd be reporting 'fake' mediums herself if she was aware she was faking it herself.

[cj.23]

She also maintains that she hears nothing going into her ears. She only wears a mic which hooks around her ear which she speaks into. She had denied using earpieces or receiving information.

I also find it very odd that the two lighting technicians who were named and blamed as 'the voice' that was heard by the women in the audience have still not been interviewed. Do they even exist?


They exist. However I have so far had no success at all in getting an interview with them. The manager and assistant manager however have both given statements, and Isobel was very clear in what she says happened - and I note that the lighting tech named in the II article had his first name mispelled, which says to me they exist alright. But neither have offered statements... which is at best irritating, at worst suspicious. But have any journalist tried to get them?

cj x

[snuffkin]

On the Grand Canal Theatre page on facebook, 29 September at 11:48:


GRAND CANAL THEATRE, DUBLIN
We are delighted to announce that Grand Canal Theatre has been nominated for Dublin Theatre of the Year in the Dublin Living Awards.
To vote for us go to their website www.dublinlivingawards.ie or alternatively you can vote through their Facecook page.
Thanks as always for your support!

29 September at 11:48.

Jon Donnis - But that does not answer my question which is why i posed it on here toyou. A simple yes (saly uses her own sound crew) or no (she uses the theatres sound crew) would do.

Or are you being deliberately evasive because you have something to hide?
Friday at 12:41.

David Gantly - 4 people called the Joe Duffy show, not 1, and all 4 heard the man clearly mention names, illnesses etc that Sally then repeated on stage. At no point did any of the callers say they heard 'men' chatting. The original Independent article merely reported what the theatre manager said, and would say, but this does not clear up the matter of who the man with the English accent (as reported by 3 of the 4 callers) was. Things have taken a turn in the UK now with Sally stating that she is now dealing with her legal representatives and that's interesting for the Irish newspapers as this story broke in Ireland so has some relevance here with Sally due back in March so I'd expect a bit more scrutiny in the near future.
Friday at 17:20


Also see a thread on James Randi facebook page, original post by SG on 28 September at 17:31:


Boyd Sleator Email from the theatre :::: Dear Boyd,

Thank you for your email. The Grand Canal Theatre is a receiving house, all concerts and shows hosted at this venue are organized by promoters and producers, who control all aspects of the incoming show, from the ticket pricing and stage design to production and sound, bringing all equipment including set, costumes and AV equipment.

The Grand Canal Theatre has never been and will never be party to any ‘scams’. As mentioned in the article in the Irish independent (13/11/11) the voices heard were those of two lighting technicians operating the follow spots. These technicians work for the theatre not Sally Morgan or her touring crew and were not in contact with Ms Morgan at any point during the show on September 11th 2011. Ms Morgan has since gone onto show audiences in the UK that she does not wear an ear piece. (ref article in Irish Independent 28/09/11)
I hope addresses your queries outlined below.
Friday at 12:38 ·

Boyd Sleator My reply::: Isobel,

We have evidence that Sally Morgan used an ear piece in one of her previous shows.
We also have reports that the shows since dublin have been of much less quality with regards to her psychic powers!!!

Will the lighting technicians please make an independent statement?
Friday at 12:41 ·


Steve Colledge I have worked in this theatre on a peculiarity with a comedian and may I state some facts?

Follow spot operators in this venue have at least 12 ft between them. Also behind that glass panel is the sound an lighting equipment controllers. This is normally where the tour manager, assistants or artists crew would sit. This is where anybody would sit who needed a view of the whole auditorium and feed information to the person on stage. Once again the question to ask the venue manager is this.... Was there anybody in the control room that was brought in by the artist or production company?
Friday at 13:01 ·

[dawn]

facebook.com/sallymorgantv

On behalf of Sally Morgan we would like to confirm that Sally Morgan has instructed Graham Atkins of Atkins Thomson to commence libel action in relation to press allegations that she is a cheat, following her show in Dublin. Thank you for your support and patience in this matter. Sally Morgan Management Team

[Filippo Lippi]

Anyone want to bet that this never gets to court

[Sideroxylon]

I hope the blogsphere makes legal action backfire like it did for the chiros.

[Alice Shortcake]

Bring on the legal big guns, Sally!

*gets the popcorn*

[Azrael 5]

Came here to post latest update,beaten to it! :D
Cant wait for court case. In serious mode who is going to get legal action against them? The callers to radio show? Media were only reporting story and from what I saw didnt state outright she's a fraud, Paul Zenon aside;)

[George152]

i have been trying to find out how many people have agreed to the challenge but later dropped out. I have not managed to get that info. Help appreciated.

100% ?

[rjh01]

www.facebook.com/sallymorgantv

On behalf of Sally Morgan we would like to confirm that Sally Morgan has instructed Graham Atkins of Atkins Thomson to commence libel action in relation to press allegations that she is a cheat, following her show in Dublin. Thank you for your support and patience in this matter. Sally Morgan Management Team
Fixed your link.

I have been trying to find out how many people have agreed to the Challenge but later dropped out. I have not managed to get that info. Help appreciated.

100% ?
That is not right. A few people have done the preliminary test. None passed. The good news is plug their names into Google and the main results are news of their lack of success. However most people who apply either fail to ever specify what paranormal ability they have or invent some excuse to get out of it.

[dawn]

Thank you for fixing my link Rjh01. You are a gem :)
As I've only posted a few times in the last 5 years, I couldn't do it myself.:)

[dawn]

And so much to say, yet darn't say it in fear of cocking oneself up and making myself an ass, in such good company.x

[bindeweede]

Bring on the legal big guns, Sally!

*gets the popcorn*

I wonder who the target of the libel claim is. I can't post a link but on his Twitter feed, Jimmy Carr writes, "I’d never say Sally’s a fraud. I’d say she’s an evil charlatan."

And if you look up definitions of "charlatan......"

[Azrael 5]

I'm sure they'd appreciate some emails
http://www.atkinsthomson.com/ :D

[snuffkin]

How does Twitter work, can people post negative comments to Sally's posts or does she moderate them or delete them? And how about Jimmy Carr is he aware of Sally's latest statement about the legal action. Would be interesting to see if he keeps up the charlatan jokes :D If everyone on twitter says she's a charlatan can she try to silence everyone?!

It's just a shame that any action taken will not bring her psychic abilities into question, it will only deal with the allegations about wearing the earpiece.

I wonder how exactly she can defend this, will they take into consideration the video footage of her wearing what appears to be an earpiece in her Psychic Sally bio on youtube?

[bindeweede]

Good questions. I don't understand Twitter. I THINK people post their thoughts on their own Twitter pages. Nobody else can delete comments but can respond. I AM on Facebook, and that is different. Sally has her own page and people's comments can, and have been deleted, or so I've read on other forums.

I just have a feeling it is the (very expensive) lawyers who will be the winners here.

[Macgyver1968]

I just hope someone takes a handheld radio scanner to her next show.

[Orphia Nay]

Well, I've discovered that, since I last checked, some more tickets have gone on sale for her Dublin show in March 2012. Am seriously considering buying one, and have also sourced some inexpensive radio scanner possibilities on ebay. I wonder if there's a specific frequency band that radio mics usually work off?

My husband is a theatre sound & lighting technician, and he says that all the different brands of radio mikes all use different frequencies. However your radio scanner would be able to find whatever frequency is being used by whatever is in the vicinity. You'd want to hope the theatre has thick walls, and that people have their mobile phones turned off, but even then you shouldn't have too much problem.

Also, most radio scanners only have one output, so use it for your headphones while you're finding the right frequency, then unplug them and plug in your recording device for the rest of the show, perhaps.

My theatre mate, by the way, says that these kind of mistakes (i.e. a window being open and chatter being overheard) just don't happen by accident. Maybe some theatre staff opened the window on purpose?

Not exactly. They need to leave the control booth window open to hear the sound of the show properly (for example, feedback from the speakers, how loud the speakers are, whether the mikes are working, etc).

Good luck with your plan! :thumbsup:

[Alice Shortcake]

Wouldn't it be nice if some sceptical backstage person would be willing to lend a hand...

[snuffkin]

Wouldn't it be nice if some sceptical backstage person would be willing to lend a hand...

Yep, wouldn't that be great. But I suspect no one would be in on it other than her immediate crew, who would of all have signed contracts so they couldn't gab!

Those two lighting techs do need to come forward at least, because they can perhaps explain why it is that the women in the audience heard ONE voice speaking, saying exactly what Sally said before she said it. Not just 'two lads chatting amongst themselves', which is what Sally's cover story seems to say.

I do wish the JREF would make some kind of formal invitation to Sally of taking up the MDChallenge, making it really public so that she would be cornered into either accepting or turning it down and avoiding it. Lots of people post things on the JREF fb page bringing Sally into focus, but JREF sadly very rarely reply or comment.

[Pixel42]

The question is not whether Morgan did or did not use a microphone, it's whether she can or cannot do what she claims to be able to do. Even if she doesn't deliberately cheat and has convinced not only her audiences but herself of her ability to contact the dead, the likeliest explanation is still the usual cold reading/Forer Effect/confirmation bias.

My fear is that she will win her libel case because deliberate cheating can't be proven, and this will be touted both by her and the media as proof that she is a genuine psychic when it is not.

[zooterkin]

I do wish the JREF would make some kind of formal invitation to Sally of taking up the MDChallenge, making it really public so that she would be cornered into either accepting or turning it down and avoiding it. Lots of people post things on the JREF fb page bringing Sally into focus, but JREF sadly very rarely reply or comment.

You're right, they probably could make more of it, though it may be a case of not being worth the effort in this case. Randi and the JREF are not so well known in the UK, Sally Morgan is not well known outside the UK, so getting media interest when one party hasn't been heard of by most readers may be tricky. There has been some coverage by the JREF: according to this page (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1446-weekly-media-roundup-september-30-2011.html), DJ Grothe was interviewed on Manchester local radio, but unfortunately the link to the recording doesn't work so I can't tell if he mentioned the MDC (I'd be surprised if he hadn't). Paul Zenon did mention it, so 'Psychic' Sally cannot be unaware of the Challenge.

[snuffkin]

You're right, they probably could make more of it,

There has been some coverage by the JREF: according to this page (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1446-weekly-media-roundup-september-30-2011.html), DJ Grothe was interviewed on Manchester local radio, but unfortunately the link to the recording doesn't work so I can't tell if he mentioned the MDC (I'd be surprised if he hadn't). Paul Zenon did mention it, so 'Psychic' Sally cannot be unaware of the Challenge.

From what I understand it was an invitation to Leigh-Catherine, the psychic on This Morning who agreed to the MDC, but has since chickened out of it saying 'it's a bit dodgy legally' in her view.

Just seen this on youtube. lol. Worth sharing. The more people keep this story going, the more chance the media and JREF will take a keen interest.

[snuffkin]

Just seen this on youtube. lol. sorry, forgot to paste the link in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoGE5kzJLM&feature=watch_response

[zooterkin]

From what I understand it was an invitation to Leigh-Catherine, the psychic on This Morning who agreed to the MDC, but has since chickened out of it saying 'it's a bit dodgy legally' in her view.
From memory, he mentioned the MDC in relation to Sally Morgan, but since Leigh Catherine was there, she appeared to be interested in it. However, I find it hard to believe that even if she had not heard of the MDC before, Sally Morgan is still unaware of it.

[dlorde]

From memory, he mentioned the MDC in relation to Sally Morgan, but since Leigh Catherine was there, she appeared to be interested in it.
Zenon mentioned the MDC, and LC, having claimed she could prove her ability, was pretty much railroaded into agreeing to do it - she tried but couldn't hide her lying eyes lack of enthusiasm. Quite amusing, but I'm betting it won't happen, despite the ITV offer of flight tickets & camera crew.

[Reno]

maybe we should all email Philip Schofield or Holly Willoubooby to try to get them to push this one.

[snuffkin]

maybe we should all email Philip Schofield or Holly Willoubooby to try to get them to push this one.

Great idea. Philip uses twitter doesn't he? perhaps lots of tweets could be sent to him too. This Morning ought to follow up on it, whatever happens.

[Azrael 5]

Regarding Twitter,Sally Morgan can still block people not sure about deleting tweets though.I've sent her a few tweets and one to her lawyers too :D

[snuffkin]

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2011/10/sally-morgan-is-bringing-libel-action.html

There has been a HUGE increase in negative posts on Sally Morgan Public Figure facebook page this morning. Apparently because Ben Goldacre and Simon Singh have tweeted about SM. :)

[rjh01]

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2011/10/sally-morgan-is-bringing-libel-action.html

There has been a HUGE increase in negative posts on Sally Morgan Public Figure facebook page this morning. Apparently because Ben Goldacre and Simon Singh have tweeted about SM. :)

You can add this from the same person
http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2011/10/sally-morgan-what-actually-happened-in.html

[Orphia Nay]

Thanks, snuffkin and rjh01.

You can add this from the same person
http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2011/10/sally-morgan-what-actually-happened-in.html

I like this comment:

hayleyisaghost said...

In her statement Sally says

"The head-mic I use is only for sound to go out to the audience not the other way around, it is impossible for me to hear through this."

She doesn't deny having a seperate earpiece though.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[zenbuffy]

My husband is a theatre sound & lighting technician, and he says that all the different brands of radio mikes all use different frequencies. However your radio scanner would be able to find whatever frequency is being used by whatever is in the vicinity. You'd want to hope the theatre has thick walls, and that people have their mobile phones turned off, but even then you shouldn't have too much problem.

Also, most radio scanners only have one output, so use it for your headphones while you're finding the right frequency, then unplug them and plug in your recording device for the rest of the show, perhaps.


Thanks for that. I have some theatre friends myself, but mostly in lighting, so the sound expertise is helpful :) Managed to find a combo scanner/recorder that I may pick up, to save the hassle of bringing an extra device just to record. I've been to the GCT before, and I know that it kills a lot of mobile phone signals (probably due to thick walls). I couldn't get a signal on my phone the whole time I was in the theatre (very annoying).

On that note, does anyone know what the legalities are of bringing such a device to the theatre?

[Foolmewunz]

Just a thought, but.... These folks are not necessarily morons. (They're blood-sucking miscreants, scam artists and toad licking alley dogs, but not necessarily morons.)

They're at least media and web savvy. The thought that someone hasn't picked up on this thread and others is fairly remote. Ergo, she won't be transmitting at her next Dublin show, IMHO. She'll devise other "hot" methodology.

[Rrose Selavy]

Well better late than never I guess. At least the video has gone mainstream. Will she include them in her writ if it comes ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047370/She-seen-coming-Psychic-Sally-caught-OWN-video-removing-hidden-earpiece-leaves-stage.html

[zenbuffy]

Just a thought, but.... These folks are not necessarily morons. (They're blood-sucking miscreants, scam artists and toad licking alley dogs, but not necessarily morons.)

They're at least media and web savvy. The thought that someone hasn't picked up on this thread and others is fairly remote. Ergo, she won't be transmitting at her next Dublin show, IMHO. She'll devise other "hot" methodology.

It had occurred to me, it wouldn't be the only way I'd try to debunk her shows...

[Reno]

This condescending arrogant auld bint is starting to get on my tits.

[Alice Shortcake]

Your tits are not alone in this.

[commandlinegamer]

On that note, does anyone know what the legalities are of bringing such a device to the theatre?

Don't get caught.

[rjh01]

Just a thought, but.... These folks are not necessarily morons. (They're blood-sucking miscreants, scam artists and toad licking alley dogs, but not necessarily morons.)

They're at least media and web savvy. The thought that someone hasn't picked up on this thread and others is fairly remote. Ergo, she won't be transmitting at her next Dublin show, IMHO. She'll devise other "hot" methodology.

The problem with that thought is that she will not know when she is being recorded. It may not be the next show. It could be any show, in any town. She has one most days. Either she never uses the earpiece again or risks getting caught. If the former then she needs a new act, which probably will mean a decrease in the quality of the show.

[abaddon]

Just a thought, but.... These folks are not necessarily morons. (They're blood-sucking miscreants, scam artists and toad licking alley dogs, but not necessarily morons.)

They're at least media and web savvy. The thought that someone hasn't picked up on this thread and others is fairly remote. Ergo, she won't be transmitting at her next Dublin show, IMHO. She'll devise other "hot" methodology.

I have some cool gear. Fairy sensitive, probably wouldn't even need to buy a ticket.

I am almost tempted to go and "sniff" about.

[Macgyver1968]

The problem with that thought is that she will not know when she is being recorded. It may not be the next show. It could be any show, in any town. She has one most days. Either she never uses the earpiece again or risks getting caught. If the former then she needs a new act, which probably will mean a decrease in the quality of the show.

Either that, or she could just ditch the wireless step-up, and go with a wired link. Then make some pitiful excuse about the wireless breaking up to explain the switch.

[ttguy]

Just seen this on youtube. lol. sorry, forgot to paste the link in.

?v=HmoGE5kzJLM&feature=watch_response

Wow. Morgan claims the ear piece is just in to hold her mic in place. But here we quite easily see that she has a mic on the right side and a separate ear piece on the left. And the left ear piece does not hold the mic in place because you can see her take both out separately.

[abaddon]

Wow. Morgan claims the ear piece is just in to hold her mic in place. But here we quite easily see that she has a mic on the right side and a separate ear piece on the left. And the left ear piece does not hold the mic in place because you can see her take both out separately.

And so yet again we find out that it's a load.

You won't convince the gullible.

[ttguy]

Richard Wiseman (on SGU24) has suggested that we should consider whether the quality of Morgan's show is actually indicative of hot reading at all. I thought it was interesting that the caller to the radio program that started all this stated that no-one actually responded to the lines that were allegedly fed to Morgan. So maybe she is just doing cold reading.

Thoughts ?

sgu24index wikidot com/part-4

[rjh01]

Richard Wiseman (on SGU24) has suggested that we should consider whether the quality of Morgan's show is actually indicative of hot reading at all. I thought it was interesting that the caller to the radio program that started all this stated that no-one actually responded to the lines that were allegedly fed to Morgan. So maybe she is just doing cold reading.

Thoughts ?

sgu24index wikidot com/part-4
The link is http://sgu24index.wikidot.com/part-4. Am listening to it now.

Edit. Some interesting thoughts by Richard Wiseman in the link.

[Orphia Nay]

Thanks for that. I have some theatre friends myself, but mostly in lighting, so the sound expertise is helpful :) Managed to find a combo scanner/recorder that I may pick up, to save the hassle of bringing an extra device just to record. I've been to the GCT before, and I know that it kills a lot of mobile phone signals (probably due to thick walls). I couldn't get a signal on my phone the whole time I was in the theatre (very annoying).

On that note, does anyone know what the legalities are of bringing such a device to the theatre?

Cheers. I asked Mr Nay, and he says shows usually have signs up saying "no cameras or video cameras". They never say anything about sound recording, let alone scanning.

[Alice Shortcake]

I wonder if Sally is still using the "love cards" ruse?


I try and be as open-minded as possible about the paranormal and psychic world, so I went with my wife and 25 year old daughter to see the famous Sally Morgan roadshow.

The audience was packed with almost 1000 people, which would have raked in at least £10,000 for our Sal. Not bad for a couple of hours work. As we were queueing to go in, Sally's minions were encouraging people to complete so called 'love cards' where you gave details of yourself, the loved one you had lost, and a message for them. These were then placed in a large fish bowl on the stage that Sally occasionally dipped into.

The pre-interval session was the usual inconclusive mix were some 'messages from beyond' seemed quite plausible but others seemed way off the mark. But what happened after the interval convinced me that the whole think is a load of hocum, and dangerous hocum at that!

During the interval my daughter,Vicky, who'd lost her mother to cancer at the age of just six, filled in a card. This card would have been picked up by one of Sally's cronies who would have, no doubt, passed the message on to Sally before she went back on stage. Well… what do you know, the first message coming through was from Sue, my deceased wife appearing very distressed as she was missing her little girl so terribly. Vicky was very upset and was asked to stand up, tears running down her face, while the big screen camera zoomed in on her. What then followed was a series of pap messages that would have applied to any young girl who'd lost her mother: 'your mum misses brushing your hair, your mum hopes you are looking after her rings.' But no message for me, her husband of 20 years, or our son who was devoted to his mother. In fact there was nothing that wasn't either on the card that Vicky had filled in, or glib statements.

Of course the audience was taken in by the whole thing because they were unaware of the card Vicky had completed. I found the whole experience quite degrading and a very crass exploitation of vulnerable peoples’ emotions. If the dead can contact the living then it’s certainly not through people like Sally Morgan.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/847-Sally-Morgan-Star-Psychic./page15

That post dates from 2009.

[commandlinegamer]

I wonder if Sally is still using the "love cards" ruse?


If that's the case, shouldn't be too difficult in getting a few sceptics to fill them out. The main problem then is being picked. I suppose you'd have also to be careful in not providing information that would stand out from the crowd too much and might be a red flag to the minions.

[RenaissanceBiker]

It appears she was recently caught on video removing her earpiece.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047370/Psychic-Sally-filmed-OWN-video-removing-hidden-earpiece-leaves-stage.html

[Reno]

WTG with the breaking news there RenaissanceBiker ;)

[Alice Shortcake]

If that's the case, shouldn't be too difficult in getting a few sceptics to fill them out. The main problem then is being picked. I suppose you'd have also to be careful in not providing information that would stand out from the crowd too much and might be a red flag to the minions.

I'd love to provide the details of a fairly obscure fictional character.

[Rrose Selavy]

The link is http://sgu24index.wikidot.com/part-4. Am listening to it now.

Edit. Some interesting thoughts by Richard Wiseman in the link.

His section from 47 mins is really worth listening to.

There is also an absolutely appalling yet perversely funny account of a really bad "hot" reading. I won't spoil it for you but try to check it out. Beyond parody.

-

[George152]

The claim of the two permanent theatre crew were the ones who were overheard talking is, to my mind, a lot bogus.
How many people does she employ in these -events- and where are they stationed during the performance?
Oh and how about some-one using the jamming cellphone technology outside the building..
You wouldn't even need to go in

[snuffkin]

The Grand Canal Theatre, Dublin confirmed in a reply to someone on their fb page that SM used her own sound crew. I also think the two lighting guys are bogus. They have not come forward to be formally interviewed. And Sally's statement still does not explain why they were saying exactly what she was saying before she said it!

Also, this from both of SM's fb pages this morning:
Hayley Appleby
Although we have tried to be fair and balanced, Sally's management have taken the decision to block and remove offensive and slanderous posts. This page is for the use of Sally's fans and we have been receiving numerous complaints from them commenting on the nature of posts left by some and we do not want to cause them or Sally any further distress. X SMHQ

She has time to update her fb and Twitter with this, and other trivial things, but in the past month she has not taken the time to answer the questions put to her by fans about the earpiece.

Also her son in law Daren Wiltshire, commented on her fb page yesterday and started slagging off her fans saying they where all on benefits and she was paying to keep them! Then he threatened that they lawyers would be recording the IP addresses of anyone slandering her!?
He's is also 'on the payroll' as he is her paid driver.

[snuffkin]

Comments from Daren Wiltshire (SM's Son-in-law and 'tour manager') this morning, on her Fans of Sally Morgan Star Psychic facebook page:

Daren Wiltshear: "What, she can only do one test? are you for real?? Please tell me your not that stupid??
She did a controlled scientific test with Gary Schwarz in America, and Derren Brown came to Sallys house to film for HIS series. What part of that is hard to understand??"


Daren Wiltshear: "Prove it Spencer, prove she can't do it. You can't and nor could Derren Brown when Sally welcomed him into her home to test her for his tv series. Do you remember seeing it on his show? Oh, no you wouldn't, because he left the house and Sally was then informed that the footage wouldn't be used. Now, surely that was the time for him to prove to the world that she was a fake, why would he not use the footage?? Hmmm"


Daren Wiltshear: "She doesn't need to keep proving herself to cretins like you. She's proved it time and time again. Who are you anyway?"


Daren Wiltshear: "Prove it Spencer, prove she can't do it. You can't and nor could Derren Brown when Sally welcomed him into her home to test her for his tv series. Do you remember seeing it on his show? Oh, no you wouldn't, because he left the house and Sally was then informed that the footage wouldn't be used. Now, surely that was the time for him to prove to the world that she was a fake, why would he not use the footage?? Hmmm"


Daren Wiltshear: "She doesn't need to keep proving herself to cretins like you. She's proved it time and time again. Who are you anyway?"


Daren Wiltshear "Ann Grant, don't worry, it won't be for much longer. All Evidence has been collected.
Keep positive."


(All evidence being collected for Sally's Lawyers!! He's now threatening to sue the former fans who are daring to disbelieve and challenge Sally's 'gift'.)

[Alice Shortcake]

The son-in-law doth protest too much, methinks.

[Azrael 5]

Simon Singh is trying to set up a test with her.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/oct/13/sally-morgan-prove-psychic-powers

[zooterkin]

Simon Singh is trying to set up a test with her.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/oct/13/sally-morgan-prove-psychic-powers

That article has more information on what was supposedly heard, too, after Simon Singh contacted two of the three women who rang the radio station after the show. (We have Simon Singh speaking at Reading Skeptics in the Pub next week, so I wonder if he'll talk more about this.)

I contacted two of the women who had phoned RTÉ Radio. Both Sue and Dorrie are surprised at the hostility expressed by some of Sally's supporters, so they have asked me not to disclose their surnames.

They remain adamant that the voice they heard was not the result of innocent chit chat. Indeed, there are a number of points that still require explanation. For example, Sue and Dorrie heard the voice mention "David", "pain in the back" and "passed quickly", and they both claim that Sally then repeated this word-for-word on stage, but in a more dramatic fashion. When Sally repeated the words, Sue says that the voice confirmed by stating "Yes".

The mystery voice then talked about "Stephen", "pain in back" and "passed quickly", and again this was repeated. They claim several others heard the voice, and the resulting fuss caused an usherette to leave the auditorium and the window was then closed. According to their recollection, the show came to an abrupt end soon after this.

[charlatan]

"Is there anyone in the room? I'm entering the spirit world. I'm getting a name. Is there a Char....Charlie...Charlotte....Charl...Charlatan..
in the room?"

You called? :D

[abaddon]

You called? :D

No. You dead?

[Azrael 5]

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1100540914/G_twitter_sci_normal.png (http://twitter.com/#%21/guardianscience) @guardianscience (http://twitter.com/#%21/guardianscience) Guardian Science


Sally Morgan will win my $1m prize if she proves her psychic powers to @SLSingh (http://twitter.com/#%21/SLSingh), says James Randi

Cannot find Randi quote in article so I'm just quoting tweet. Sounds good though.

[rjh01]

Comments from Daren Wiltshire (SM's Son-in-law and 'tour manager') this morning, on her Fans of Sally Morgan Star Psychic facebook page:

Daren Wiltshear: "What, she can only do one test? are you for real?? Please tell me your not that stupid??
She did a controlled scientific test with Gary Schwarz in America, and Derren Brown came to Sallys house to film for HIS series. What part of that is hard to understand??"

<snip>

I looked up Gary Schwarz and found that Sally should not rely on tests done with Gary to prove her abilities. Test done by Gary have been found faulty. I would also love to see if and where they were published.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz


Schwartz's methods have prompted criticism by skeptics such as University of Oregon professor Ray Hyman, who says they deviate from the accepted norms of scientific methodology, and criticizes Schwartz for research errors such as inappropriate statistical tests and using subjects predisposed to believe in psychic abilities.[4] Skeptic Robert Todd Carroll maintains that Schwartz's evaluation of mediums is subjective and a product of wishful thinking.[3][5] When skeptic James Randi asked the University of Arizona to submit Schwartz's research data to an independent panel for evaluation as part of his $1 Million Challenge, Schwartz declined because he believed the panel, which was picked by Randi, would be biased.[6] Schwartz has also been accused by psychic Laurie Campbell and Allison DuBois of exploiting their publicity value.[7]

[Azrael 5]

I tweeted Derren Brown about his involvement in a "test" but got no reply, and further to my last post seems Randi's comment on that blog was removed by a moderator Singh is now tweeting.

[Sideroxylon]

I looked up Gary Schwarz and found that Sally should not rely on tests done with Gary to prove her abilities. Test done by Gary have been found faulty. I would also love to see if and where they were published.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz

For more on Gary Schwarz's experiments, read psychologist Ray Hyman's article "How Not to Test Mediums: Critiquing the Afterlife Experiments" (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/how_not_to_test_mediums_critiquing_the_afterlife_e xperiments).

[snuffkin]

A few people have tweeted Derren Brown to clarify this matter of SM apparently saying that she'd agreed to be tested, but that Derren didn't show the footage in his tv show. Hope he replies soon :)

Also was the Randi quote about putting forward the $1million prize for Singh's test, on the Guardian article comments section maybe just a hoax then? because it has indeed been removed. Would be great if JREF could make a statement on their Twitter or FB to clarify.

[snuffkin]

Sally Morgan facebook page today:

I wanted to respond to more recent allegations appearing in the press about my use of an earpiece. The matter is in the hands of my libel lawyers, but I know some of my fans are questioning me and believing what they read in the press. I have done and will continue to wear an earpiece (as well as a microphone) when my shows are being filmed for TV or when I am touring in a new production or a new theatre. This is entirely normal and allows me to take stage direction and cues from my Stage Director. Just to be clear, I have never received anything other than stage direction or cues from my Stage Director through an earpiece. I have never been fed stories as is alleged from ‘plants’ or from lighting technicians (as alleged in the Dublin show). I am not a cheat or a fraud or a fake or a con artist, as alleged, and hope to continue to entertain my fans for many years. I also wanted to thank you all for the messages of support during this upsetting time. xSx

[Reno]

Didn't she state before that she never wore an earpiece? Was she lying then or is she lying now....?

[desertgal]

...and hope to continue to entertain my fans for many years. xSx

I thought her position as a psychic was to help people, not just entertain them?

[snuffkin]

She did state that it was only a mic before. she said it wasn't receiving anything of any kind. Now she changes it to yes, she does have an earpiece and yes it does receive info. From stage manager (yeah, we believe you. lol)

This comment from a person with 20 yrs experience of stage and theatre productions, on her fb page:

You don't need stage direction via an earpiece. The only stage direction Sally Morgan needs is to be told how long she has left, this can be done via hand signals. She does not need any other stage direction & I should know!

[dlorde]

Didn't she state before that she never wore an earpiece? Was she lying then or is she lying now....?

Yup - I can't be arsed to find the link (it's probably on her Twitter page), but she did categorically state there was no way she could receive any sort of communication while on stage (apart from the audience members).

[Lamuella]

Sally Morgan facebook page today:

I wanted to respond to more recent allegations appearing in the press about my use of an earpiece. The matter is in the hands of my libel lawyers, but I know some of my fans are questioning me and believing what they read in the press. I have done and will continue to wear an earpiece (as well as a microphone) when my shows are being filmed for TV or when I am touring in a new production or a new theatre. This is entirely normal and allows me to take stage direction and cues from my Stage Director. Just to be clear, I have never received anything other than stage direction or cues from my Stage Director through an earpiece. I have never been fed stories as is alleged from ‘plants’ or from lighting technicians (as alleged in the Dublin show). I am not a cheat or a fraud or a fake or a con artist, as alleged, and hope to continue to entertain my fans for many years. I also wanted to thank you all for the messages of support during this upsetting time. xSx

"I was telling the truth when I said I had never used an earpiece. Except for the fact that I have used an earpiece, and people have talked to me through it."

[Azrael 5]

Yup - I can't be arsed to find the link (it's probably on her Twitter page), but she did categorically state there was no way she could receive any sort of communication while on stage (apart from the audience members).

YEs she did,indeed at on eher shows after allegations sirfaced she pulled her hair back and said soemhting like"Nothing in my ears no earpiece." Something about not recieveing messages through her feet as well. I'll find quote later.;)

[Azrael 5]

Okay found link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041787/Psychic-Sally-defends-integrity-denies-getting-information-man-backstage.html

At times near tears, she pointed to her head-mic and insisted there was no earpiece. She said having information relayed that way would be like receiving ‘messages through the soles of my feet’.
Pointing to her headset, she said: ‘These are so you can hear me. This is a microphone. I can put my hair behind my ears to prove I have nothing in my ears.

Busted!! :D

[snuffkin]

well done, love it!! :D Please please let the media go to town on this one. Really do wish JREF would blog about it too. Bah!

[Orphia Nay]

Sally Morgan facebook page today:

I wanted to respond to more recent allegations appearing in the press about my use of an earpiece. The matter is in the hands of my libel lawyers, but I know some of my fans are questioning me and believing what they read in the press. I have done and will continue to wear an earpiece (as well as a microphone) when my shows are being filmed for TV or when I am touring in a new production or a new theatre. This is entirely normal and allows me to take stage direction and cues from my Stage Director. Just to be clear, I have never received anything other than stage direction or cues from my Stage Director through an earpiece. I have never been fed stories as is alleged from ‘plants’ or from lighting technicians (as alleged in the Dublin show). I am not a cheat or a fraud or a fake or a con artist, as alleged, and hope to continue to entertain my fans for many years. I also wanted to thank you all for the messages of support during this upsetting time. xSx

Her own staff would not be "plants", would they, nor would they be "lighting technicians".

Also, why does she call her show a "production" if it's genuine?

[ttguy]

I kinda like Richard Wisemans suggestion on this. Namely that her whole show is completely scripted. Each show - at the same point - she says "David", "pain in the back" and "passed quickly". And our backstage boys were having a laugh and imitating what she is going to say next based on the "script".

This would explain both what the witnesses report re-what they heard and it would also explain why her show is not better than a standard lame cold read.

Does not mean she is psychic. Just allows her to deny she gets fed stuff thorough an ear piece.

[Azrael 5]

Considering her libel action aprtly revolved around media claiming she wore an earpiece ,and her admitting now she does wear one ,where does that leave her libel claim?

[Azrael 5]

Simon Singh updated blog.
http://www.simonsingh.net/2011/10/some-questions-for-psychic-sally-morgan/

[Azrael 5]

A few people have tweeted Derren Brown to clarify this matter of SM apparently saying that she'd agreed to be tested, but that Derren didn't show the footage in his tv show. Hope he replies soon :)

Also was the Randi quote about putting forward the $1million prize for Singh's test, on the Guardian article comments section maybe just a hoax then? because it has indeed been removed. Would be great if JREF could make a statement on their Twitter or FB to clarify.

I tweeted Derren and posted on his Facebook to no avail. I smell something fishy.

[Mister Earl]

This thread is turning out to be quite amusing! I'd love to see a team go to her next shindig. One recording the show surreptitiously, and the other using a scanner to pick up what she's being fed. Then combine the two and youtube it.

[snuffkin]

Myself and others have been tweeting Derren Brown, and also posting on his FB wall. He never even acknowledges them. Very strange.

Also, have you noticed that RTE Live Line, Joe Duffy, are totally silent on it, since they broke the story.

I do hope the media are working on something. At least we know there is a report to come, from S. Singh about his review of one of her shows that he went to recently :D

Someone does need to go along with a scanner...secret filming would be good too!
there are still ticket available on her web site and on ebay too :)

[Azrael 5]

Myself and others have been tweeting Derren Brown, and also posting on his FB wall. He never even acknowledges them. Very strange.

Also, have you noticed that RTE Live Line, Joe Duffy, are totally silent on it, since they broke the story.

I do hope the media are working on something. At least we know there is a report to come, from S. Singh about his review of one of her shows that he went to recently :D

Someone does need to go along with a scanner...secret filming would be good too!
there are still ticket available on her web site and on ebay too :)

Yes very curious Derren's silence.Damn annoying in fact,I'm going to email his management next

[snuffkin]

Go for it! Let us know if you get a response.

I notice that there is still no word of who it is exactly that Sally's lawyers are bringing libel to. Was it just an empy threat by Sally, in an attempt to silence people?

[rjh01]

Sally must be getting worried. She or her agents are probably reading this thread. They will not know which or even if someone will be recording any of her shows.

NB. If you are going to record a show do not put that information on-line until you have actually done it. Otherwise Sally might take certain precautions to make your work worthless.

[Alice Shortcake]

Seconded. We know how easy it is for "psychics" to pick up valuable info from the internet.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing more is heard about Sally's libel suit - a court case could open a huge can of worms about her other methods of information-gathering.

[snuffkin]

Agreed.

[dlorde]

By all means take radio scanners to a show, but don't expect to pick up any transmissions - I would be very surprised if such assistance was used after all the rumpus - when in a hole, stop digging. What would be interesting would be to compare Sally's performance in shows since the controversy with her performances prior to it. Unfortunately I doubt there are such recordings, and it seems unlikely that an unbiased audience member would have seen both sides and be prepared to give an opinion - but who knows? perhaps there are such individuals.

[lucan]

What would be interesting would be to compare Sally's performance in shows since the controversy with her performances prior to it.

Would this do?
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/missed-messages-in-worthing/

[tuoni]

What would be interesting would be to compare Sally's performance in shows since the controversy with her performances prior to it.

Would this do?
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/missed-messages-in-worthing/That's interesting, since Paul Zenon at last night's Skeptics in the Pub in Camden said that his girlfriend had bought the last ticket for that show (or at least, that was my memory/understanding of what he said... apparently it'll be on a podcast soon so you can check for yourself). It's entirely possible Paul or I am mistaken but, frankly, I find it difficult to trust a word which comes out of "psychics".

[thenigotoffthebus]

What would be interesting would be to compare Sally's performance in shows since the controversy with her performances prior to it. Unfortunately I doubt there are such recordings, and it seems unlikely that an unbiased audience member would have seen both sides and be prepared to give an opinion - but who knows? perhaps there are such individuals.
The recent reviews on this site (http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent) aren't exactly glowing and they seem to be mostly from genuine fans. Some of them make quite interesting reading.

[Rrose Selavy]

What would be interesting would be to compare Sally's performance in shows since the controversy with her performances prior to it.

Would this do?
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/missed-messages-in-worthing/


Worth quoting in full for info here and in case it gets taken down. How bad do you have to get as a "Psychic" that
1. You have to desparately encourage people to speak up after the event.
2. You have to resort to telling uncorroborated anecdotes about how your misses become hits after the event.




enjoyed my show at the Worthing Pavilion last night however there were a lot of messages that no one came forward for. Obviously for me this can be very difficult as it seems as though what I am saying is not making sense however I would say that 9 times out of 10 someone at the end of the show will come up to either myself or my team explaining that it was meant for them.
Last night was no exception. Whilst doing a signing there were 5 people that all come up to me seperately to tell me that for different reasons, they didn’t come forward to take the message. One message was incredible too. I was stood on stage and got a tall gentlemen with the name Alexander come through. I could connect him to Germany and thought he was a DJ! No one took the message.
At the end of the show a lady came up to me, she explained she was on her own and had bought a ticket from the box office at the last minute, it was the last ticket. Her father in spirit was called Alexander, he lived in Germany and guess what he ran a radio station! The people in the queue behind were gobsmacked!
Each message is for someone, I am sure of this, but it takes a bit of courage for the audience to respond. I understand that it can seem daunting, standing up and having a camera pointing at you, but the audience are very supportive and the moment is truly inspirational. Don’t be frightened, it is an incredible thing to get a message.
x Sally x

[Rrose Selavy]

The recent reviews on this site (http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent) aren't exactly glowing and they seem to be mostly from genuine fans. Some of them make quite interesting reading.

And you can tick those reviews as "helpful" . you don't have to join or log in.
Might bump them up .

[dlorde]

Would this do?
http://www.sallymorgan.tv/missed-messages-in-worthing/

Obviously some audiences are far more shy than others! :rolleyes:

I did agree with Sally about one thing:... it seems as though what I am saying is not making sense...

[dlorde]

The recent reviews on this site (http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent) aren't exactly glowing and they seem to be mostly from genuine fans. Some of them make quite interesting reading.
Yes, interesting indeed. Thanks.

Not sure it helps much with the earpiece controversy because most of the prior reviews are bad too!

[Reno]

Unsurprisingly, my comment on her pink homepage was not authorised...

[Darat]

The recent reviews on this site (http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent) aren't exactly glowing and they seem to be mostly from genuine fans. Some of them make quite interesting reading.


One part of one of the comments caught my eye:

...She said she saw a caravan where someone died ! someone stood up and said no it was a van !!! she said ohhh I can see it now, hang on you just saw a caravan not a van ???? see how things get twisted ? why did Sally see a caravan and all off a sudden it turned into a van when someone said it was a van where this man died....

[Sideroxylon]

And you can tick those reviews as "helpful" . you don't have to join or log in.
Might bump them up .

Getting heavily panned. I wonder what is happening? Is Sally failing to pull off the cold reading and showmanship or are audiences becoming more sceptical? I hope it is the latter.

[ChristineR]

Getting heavily panned. I wonder what is happening? Is Sally failing to pull off the cold reading and showmanship or are audiences becoming more sceptical? I hope it is the latter.

Regarding "van/caravan" and some of the other things in those reviews I thought that that was exactly the sort of fishing and saving that psychics do and gloss over so quickly that people remember it as a hit. After all a van and a caravan are not that different compared to cars and certainly compared to bicycles.

As for the earpiece and people planning to go in there with radios, I think it a safe bet that she's smart enough that she won't be using it for a while. There are other techniques for do this sort of thing though and of course many of them predate small wireless earpieces.

[GT/CS]

Like more plants in the audience.

[Sideroxylon]

Like more plants in the audience.

Could be a risky tactic because you either have to use someone already close to you that is on the act (they can't appear too often or be found out) or take the risk of employing outsiders.

She would be better off giving free tickets to some folks who contact her for a private reading and then have the spirits come back for a repeat performance in front of a live audience. That's an oldie but a goody, isn't it?

[Azrael 5]

Unsurprisingly, my comment on her pink homepage was not authorised...

Nor mine.
FYI still no reply from anyone in the Derren Brown camp,he was quick enough to tweet the original "earpice" story, why the silence?

[Reno]

Hope Derren's not keeping quiet due to some kind of "celeb pact" or to avoid any heat which may affect his showbiznizz. Would be disappointing to have someone as high-profile as he keeping schtuum to ensure his revenue stream continues :/

[rjh01]

The recent reviews on this site (http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent) aren't exactly glowing and they seem to be mostly from genuine fans. Some of them make quite interesting reading.

Go back a few pages and they are different. You get people who are amazed at what she did. Probably hot readings? Only the odd bad review. This is absent from the recent pages which are all bad reviews. Maybe she cannot do cold readings very well.

Edit. Maybe someone should save these pages or maybe do a study on them.

[Azrael 5]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320778475339
:D

[Rrose Selavy]

I was quite excited to see sally, however, i was very disappointed as in my opinion no real messages were delivered, she did a photo which she spotted on the top (had it been placed there?) a young lady stood up and wept, it was heartbreaking, but was she an actress? this hit was worthy of her tv show, but the rest of the show was very vague, she appeared to clutch at straws, when people came through she would mimic their illness ie "i have a man here who died of cancer", there are 1000 people in the room many of them will know a man who died of cancer, i found some bits distressing especially when she mimicked a man saying " i didn't want to die, i never had chance to say goodbye" over and over again, i know if that was my message i'd have been distraught, she mimicked a little girl who supposedly died at the age of 4 and who had vomit all down her dress, what horrid imagery! she put on a scary baby voice worthy of a good horror movie. she basically offered names, illnesses, and further names, if the receiver of the message couldn't take the further names their message ended with love and she quickly moved on. she's supposed to offer comfort not distress, many people looked disappointed, a complete waste of money. terrible, terrible, terrible.




This was my first time seeing Sally live and i have to say how disapointed my friends and family were.I love the tv show but this was nothing like that.The messages she was getting nobody could take and she was making things up so it would fit in when people did stand up!Her husband was walking around the stalls all night(was he a spy trying to catch something from the audiance?)When she put her hand in the 'fishbowl'she didnt get anything much,she couldnt even tell if the photo she was holding was of a girl or a boy!!No sorry Sally i loved your tv show but i have to say i wont watch it again,highly edited.Waste of money never again
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14sIoE8qT4 :D

[Blue Bubble]

Hope Derren's not keeping quiet due to some kind of "celeb pact" or to avoid any heat which may affect his showbiznizz. Would be disappointing to have someone as high-profile as he keeping schtuum to ensure his revenue stream continues :/

Alternatively, could it be Derren who is being sued and therefore must keep schtumm ? Anyone in the know ?

[Alice Shortcake]

Sally Morgan is a notoriously inept cold reader. Many of the people who go to her stage shows after seeing her on TV don't seem to understand that TV shows are edited - what they see on screen are the highlights of what actually took place. I suspect that Morgan loses a lot of potential fans when they pay good money for a theatre ticket only to see her waffle on about her childhood, make obvious guesses and generally flounder about.

[commandlinegamer]

I keep mixing up Morgan and Geordie comedienne Sarah Millican, especially as the latter has gone blonde of late. I know which one I'd rather pay to go and see.

[Reno]

/derail

I saw Sarah Millican on the same bill as Kevin Bridges in the Stand in Glasgow a few years ago when both were completely unknown. Out of the 5 acts that night, Sarah and Kevin were in a different league to the others. Kevin Bridges in particular had the whole place in uproar. :)

/end derail

[Azrael 5]

Alternatively, could it be Derren who is being sued and therefore must keep schtumm ? Anyone in the know ?

Unlikely, I think she was suing newspapers(or not as it seems now),but Derren's silence is bizarre.I've tried all avenues short of knocking on his door :p

[Monza]

Worth quoting in full for info here and in case it gets taken down. How bad do you have to get as a "Psychic" that
1. You have to desparately encourage people to speak up after the event.
2. You have to resort to telling uncorroborated anecdotes about how your misses become hits after the event.


Exactly! It is like going to watch a juggler who drops everything, then posts the next day that he tried his act again later that night in his dressing room. "Hey, guess what?! I juggled all 3 chainsaws perfectly. I was fantastic!"

[zooterkin]

Simon Singh is following up on this whole affair. He was on the radio in Dublin today, although I just missed hearing what he said. He had tried to contact Sally herself, and the theatre, but neither are replying to him. He contacted Sally's lawyer, to find out who was being sued for libel, but didn't get any answers. He has spoken to two of the three women who originally, and independently, rang the Dublin radio station, and they are quite open about what they heard, and their stories are consistent.

He has been to one of Sally's shows, and is planning to attend another. He is working on putting together a challenge for her, along with Chris French and some of the Merseyside skeptics.

[snuffkin]

There were also rumours about more 'big' stories coming out about Sally and that rival newspapers were in some kind of bidding war for them. This was about 3 weeks ago I was told this. I hope it's true. Otherwise this whole story will just fade away and she will carry on being a rich smug idiot. Her fb page has now reverted back to a shrine to worship her and for her to gloat since she's successfully banned and blocked all the sceptics who where posting and trying to encourage a debate. It's all rather disheartening :(

And the DBrown thing too - I'm really going off him now!

[Duffy Moon]

http://twitter.com/#!/SLSingh/status/127790717648117760

@SLSingh

I've seen two live @SallyMorganTV shows this month. I will blog tomorrow about why I find them disturbing.

[snuffkin]

Excellent! Thanks for this Bill :)

[Azrael 5]

There were also rumours about more 'big' stories coming out about Sally and that rival newspapers were in some kind of bidding war for them. This was about 3 weeks ago I was told this. I hope it's true. Otherwise this whole story will just fade away and she will carry on being a rich smug idiot. Her fb page has now reverted back to a shrine to worship her and for her to gloat since she's successfully banned and blocked all the sceptics who where posting and trying to encourage a debate. It's all rather disheartening :(

And the DBrown thing too - I'm really going off him now!

Interesting to know more about these stories snuffkin.Yes Im slightly dissapointed with Derren too. No reply from his management.May have to try the TV company next.:p
Look forward to SSingh's blog tomorrow.

[zooterkin]

http://twitter.com/#!/SLSingh/status/127790717648117760

@SLSingh

I've seen two live @SallyMorganTV shows this month. I will blog tomorrow about why I find them disturbing.
He touched on this on Thursday, too, but as it's coming out tomorrow, I'll leave him to say it in his own words.

[Rrose Selavy]

Sally didn't have a clue, fishing for names, either people were saying no, or no one in the audience knew of who she was talking about.. She mentioned Mark, Jean and a man who lost a finger, Hang on, these 3 spirits must have been at Wimbledon theatre on april 2011, because somebody has wrote about it on that review, also, quite a few are mentioned, throughout this review page,.... that also turned up at worthing


Does the above indicate as Richard Wisemen suggested, that she works to a script?
http://www.ents24.com/web/contributions.html?pagetype=artist&pageid=112520&orderby=recent

[Reno]

http://slsingh.posterous.com/thats-entertainment-or-an-experiment-or-neith

[thenigotoffthebus]

http://slsingh.posterous.com/thats-entertainment-or-an-experiment-or-neith
Thanks for the link. I'd be very surprised if Sally Morgan ever agrees to the test they come up with. I think the best we can hope for is the proposed test is simple, fair & well publicised. That way at least some believers/fence sitters may have to question why she wouldn't take such a test. Perhaps something along the lines of written readings for 10 of her fans then if 6/10 can identify their own reading afterwards she passes. Something that should be a piece of cake if she really has the powers she claims but simple enough for it to make sense & seem fair to her target audience.

[snuffkin]

It's a shame that many sceptics out there are criticising and being negative about Simon suggesting the test. Saying that it's pointless or just a publicity stunt. At least he's nothing to do SOMETHING to keep this is the public eye. If it were not for him this story would totally have faded away and that would just be lovely for Sally, she could go back to her usual smugness and enjoy the sell out tours and cash rolling in. I also doubt she will accept any invitation for a test, but surely by her publicly declining it that itself sends out a big message about her abilities and it may just make a few fans lose confidence in her and start to show their disappointment by not going to shows in future. They might also express that they feel let down in their comments on her fb wall, which at the moment are all so sickening because they put her up on such a pedestal and practically see her as God! Sally herself has also said before on one of her shows, "I WANT to be tested, because I'm the real deal!" . so it will be enjoyable for her to have to squirm out of simon's invitation.

[SezMe]

http://slsingh.posterous.com/thats-entertainment-or-an-experiment-or-neith
Man, was that ever carefully written. It read like he had 87 lawyers looking over his shoulder on every keystroke.

[Lamuella]

Man, was that ever carefully written. It read like he had 87 lawyers looking over his shoulder on every keystroke.

if there's anyone in the public eye who knows the dangers of saying something that a massive idiot might find actionable, it's Simon Singh.

[Worm]

And he nicely got the 'not a jot of evidence' wording in there ;)

[dlorde]

The idea of complaints to Trading Standards seems like an interesting route for positive action...

[zooterkin]

Man, was that ever carefully written. It read like he had 87 lawyers looking over his shoulder on every keystroke.

To be fair, it may just be his natural style to be cautious, although clearly he would have been influenced further in that direction by his experiences with the BCA. Speaking off-the-cuff last Thursday about it, he presented the information in much the same way. He's not, for example, leaping to the conclusion that the overheard conversations at the back of the theatre prove that Sally is receiving information via an earpiece. There are other possible explanations, and he is trying to gather more information.

Also, if he wants to get Sally to respond to any request to take part in a test, dismissing her claims outright is probably not the best strategy.

[Reno]

Morgan will never be tested, that's pretty much a certainty. I'm sure Simon Singh knows this and will be focusing his writings on exposing her failure to be tested. Continual publicity about her failure to even take a test is the only way to reduce her clientbase/shows/income and hopefully her smugness. Putting any real effort into arranging a test with this psychic is a complete waste of time.

[Azrael 5]

A bit dissapointed in Singh's latest blog, very "On the fence".
More furore on Sally's FB although it seems most of negative comments have been removed already.
Sally Morgan (http://www.facebook.com/sallymorgantv)
What a show in Leicester last night! That message with the 6 year old boy was incredible, gives me goose bumps just thinking about it! xSx

http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk...urce=clmi_innl (http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/8449482?s_source=clmi_innl)

There are comments mentioning details "She couldnt have known" about a swimming pool etc. But they are anecdotes from believers who were at the show.

[Azrael 5]

To add.Ive been told a Facebook member as been threatened with legal action and had their account removed or banned or something, trying to find out more.

[John Jackson]

It's a shame that many sceptics out there are criticising and being negative about Simon suggesting the test. Saying that it's pointless or just a publicity stunt.


I think it is worthwhile asking questions about whether this sort of thing is actually of any use.

Is there any evidence out there that this type of confrontational, adversarial challenge really has an effect on people's* belief overall?

If this type of posturing challenge doesn't work - and the psychological research I've read regarding the psychology of persuasion etc. strongly suggests it doesn't - then what is the point?




* I'm assuming the target audience to be the people who believe in psychics and pay to see their performances.

[Reno]

The point, as far as I am concerned, is to berate publicly, as loudly as possible, using 'fighting talk' and argumentative language, any high-profile psychic (Sally Morgan, John Edward, Sylvia Browne, JVP, etc) incessantly for avoiding the MDC. Keep the media fed with the tidbits they like - fights, arguments, slanging-matches, accusations, personal revelations.

Because no high profile psychic will ever take the MDC, the only way we can reduce their livelihood, is to pursue the aforementioned course. Relentlessly.

[Blue Wode]

A celebrity psychic who claims to speak with the dead in sellout shows across the country has been challenged by sceptics to prove her supernatural powers. They have invited TV "star psychic" Sally Morgan to demonstrate her ability to connect with the spirit world in a specially designed test in Liverpool on Monday.

The Halloween challenge is backed by the US paranormal investigator James Randi, and qualifies as the first step towards claiming a million-dollar prize established by the James Randi Educational Foundation for any psychic who can prove their "gift" to be real.


Read on...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/oct/27/sally-morgan-psychic-powers-halloween?newsfeed=true

[Reno]

no reply from her lawyers. eh? Shockerooni.

[George152]

no reply from her lawyers. eh? Shockerooni.

Deafened no doubt by the sound of a departing 'psychic'

[Blue Wode]

The official Challenge Sally page - with quotes from supporters and a protocol - is here:
http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk

[Azrael 5]

Ironic the challenge has a quote from Derren Brown,he hasnt been forthcoming with a reply to allegations from Sally's camp about having tested her.

[thenigotoffthebus]

The official Challenge Sally page - with quotes from supporters and a protocol - is here:
http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk
Talk about a fair & simple test.

I have a prediction: She wont take this test (obviously) but at some point in the near future there will be a damage limitation exercise whereby she takes a very similar test but with her side calling the shots. Cue heavy TV editing & all the other usual shenanigans.

To make it appear more legitimate she may even enlist the help of a "proper scientist" like Gary Schwartz.

[Sherlock]

On opposite sides of the "pond" we have Sally Morgan and Noreen Renier. Both make similar claims and have many supporters. But too many on-stage performances have ultimately allowed people to view live their "unedited and heavily scripted TV" Utopian and spotless versions. And the realities of seeing first hand the unedited truth isn't going well. Critics must not forget however the production companies behind the TV versions and the enormous profits in play.

[Blue Wode]

Sally Morgan's lawyer is unhappy. Link to his email to Simon Singh and Simon's reply:
http://slsingh.posterous.com/sally-morgans-lawyer-sends-me-an-email

ETA: Simon Singh to publish a summary of the state of the challenge shortly.

[Pixel42]

From her lawyer's email:

For the sake of clarity, Sally Morgan has instructed us to take libel proceedings, if necessary, in relation to allegations that she is a cheat. Doing your test or any other test is not part of our plans for this case. You have been involved in a libel case yourself. You well know that we all have far more important things to do than take part in this or any other “test” at this point. She will not attend at Liverpool or at any other time. Maybe you and your friends can prove she is a cheat and/or a fraud instead.

Surely the best way to prove she isn't a cheat and/or a fraud is to take an impartial scientific test like the one being proposed and pass it? :confused:

[Azrael 5]

From her lawyer's email part 2.
She will not attend at Liverpool or at any other time. Maybe you and your friends can prove she is a cheat and/or a fraud instead. I know she isn’t, and I have known Sally a good few years.

Hmm a lawyer who knows a genuine psychic.he is Victor Zammit and I claim my five pounds :D

[Rrose Selavy]

Lawyer's possibly got form.

By the way, am I right in thinking that you also acted in a libel case for Dr Gillian McKeith? If so, I would have hoped that you would have developed a natural curiosity about the importance of claims being evidence-based, and that you would be able to see the benefits of scientific rigour in order to get to the truth.

[Professor Yaffle]

Lawyer's possibly got form.

A charming but - forgive me - obscure blogger called PhDiva made some relatively innocent comments about nutritionists, mentioning McKeith, and received a letter threatening costly legal action from Atkins Solicitors, "the reputation and brand-management specialists". Google received a threatening legal letter simply for linking to - forgive me - a fairly obscure webpage on McKeith.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/feb/12/advertising.food

I don't know if that's the same firm as Atkins Thompson in this case.

On Friday evening, I received an email from Sally Morgan’s solicitor, Graham Atkins of Atkins Thomson. He has “17 years experience in the legal aspects of the media, reputation management and branding industries”http://slsingh.posterous.com/sally-morgans-lawyer-sends-me-an-email

I suspect it is.

[zooterkin]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/feb/12/advertising.food

I don't know if that's the same firm as Atkins Thompson in this case.

http://slsingh.posterous.com/sally-morgans-lawyer-sends-me-an-email

I suspect it is.

And a recent tweet by Simon Singh (http://twitter.com/#!/SLSingh):

@BenGoldacre Am I right that we share a penpal in the shape of libel lawyer Graham Atkins? Here's our exchange bit.ly/v53zBT (http://bit.ly/v53zBT)

[rjh01]

Not all statements that are not 100% true are against us. I do not think this is 100% accurate. It suggests that the test will happen.

Sally Morgan was challenged by the Merseyside Sceptic Society to complete a simple test which they say will prove whether her abilities are genuine.

She will be tested at the Adelphi Hotel, in Liverpool city centre, on Monday at 11am.



Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2011/10/29/tv-psychic-sally-morgan-s-powers-to-be-tested-in-liverpool-100252-29682267/#ixzz1cEdnzDYU

[Sherlock]

I have found that psychics who call out their attorneys are generally paranoid, protecting erected facades hiding the truth, arrogant, delusional or at least two of the four.

[kerikiwi]

I have found that psychics who call out their attorneys are generally paranoid, protecting erected facades hiding the truth, arrogant, delusional or at least two of the four.

Removed the redundant phrase :)