He sure looks like a man with 3 Purple Hearts...

[American]

Wow look what prosthetics can do for a man wounded 3 times!

http://www.snowjournal.com/images/forum_snowjournal/phpUKMoS5.jpghttp://cache.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/images/day7/bodyb.jpg


Here are a couple of soldiers who were truly wounded. Notice Mr. Dole salutes with his left arm. Do you know why, class? Well he must have won about 50 purple hearts, awarded by John Kerry standards.
http://www.fresnobee.com/man/bee/bios/photo/walker/walker8.jpghttp://quest.cjonline.com/images/080200/dole.jpg

[c0rbin]

You are bad for your cause, American.

[shemp]

I hope that someday modern medicine can cure your brain damage.

[American]

Originally posted by c0rbin
You are bad for your cause, American.


Yes, thanks for your expert consultation. Dweeb.

[c0rbin]

Dweeb, dweeb, dweeb...oh, yeah. I was called that once or twice _in high school_.

Wake me up when you get to some real name calling.

[Denise]

It is kind of funny, if you look at the bigger picture.

[American]

Originally posted by Denise
It is kind of funny, if you look at the bigger picture.


Shut up!

:p

[Tmy]

Bushites attacking Kerrys service is laughable. Imagine the Clinton people attacking Doles marital integrity.

[American]

Originally posted by Tmy
Bus**tes attacking Kerrys service is laughable. Imagine the Clinton people attacking Doles marital integrity.


God you sound dumber than Denise....

[Checkmite]

My scout troop went camping this past weekend. Our committee chairman was in the Marine Corps in Veitnam, and he has two purple hearts for being wounded in fighting, amongst other various goodies. He was able to join a four-mile hike that included traversing a couple of ravines, one with side grades so steep that ropes were required.

But then, you like to talk about things of which you know little, so I'm probably wasting my time.

[wollery]

American, do some research before you spout off. Thirty seconds of searching and I discovered that the Purple Heart is awarded to anyone who requires treatment for any wounds acquired as a direct result of combat. It doesn't have to be life threatening or crippling, just a wound that requires treatment.

http://www.azvfw.org/Flag22-Purple%20Heart.htm

[Charlie Monoxide]

I'd like to be the first to relate this to Elton John downloading REO Speedwagon music (to use as own later).

Charlie (Benny and the Jerk) Monoxide

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by Tmy
Bus**tes attacking Kerrys service is laughable. Imagine the Clinton people attacking Doles marital integrity. Was that the word filter? We can't say Bushites (that is, Bush-ites)? LOL

[Charlie Monoxide]

Try "Bu" + "feces" + "es"

Charlie (trickle down economy) Monoxide

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
Was that the word filter? We can't say Bus**tes (that is, Bush-ites)? LOL Yes it was probably the word filter. It doesn't care about context, just that four certain letters appeared in a particular sequence.

What I don't understand is what happened to the two "l"s after the "u"...


*ba-da-dum*

[Denise]

Originally posted by wollery
American, do some research before you spout off. Thirty seconds of searching and I discovered that the Purple Heart is awarded to anyone who requires treatment for any wounds acquired as a direct result of combat. It doesn't have to be life threatening or crippling, just a wound that requires treatment.

http://www.azvfw.org/Flag22-Purple%20Heart.htm
Which means that it can be aquired for a very small injury which was the whole point. That's what I thought anyhow. People get so hyped up in politics they can see no humor or irony can they? Someone loses a limb and gets one purple heart. Someone gets flesh wounds and not mortally injured and gets more than one. It's wierd isn't it?

[wolfgirl]

And just what was it that Bush did during that same war, again? Remind me of what medals he received; I seem to have forgotten.

Making fun of a man for "only" sustaining wounds that didn't cripple him for life, when your guy had his daddy keep him out of harm's way altogether. How do you keep from laughing?

[Denise]

Originally posted by wolfgirl
And just what was it that Bush did during that same war, again? Remind me of what medals he received; I seem to have forgotten.

Making fun of a man for "only" sustaining wounds that didn't cripple him for life, when your guy had his daddy keep him out of harm's way altogether. How do you keep from laughing?

See, I don't see Bush mentioned at all, do you? It was irony.

[American]

Originally posted by wolfgirl
And just what was it that Bush did during that same war, again? Remind me of what medals he received; I seem to have forgotten.


Zero medals is far better than 3 undeserved medals. Anyone who came back blind, peg-leg, or with a hook for a hand would agree.

[clk]

Originally posted by American



Zero medals is far better than 3 undeserved medals. Anyone who came back blind, peg-leg, or with a hook for a hand would agree.

Did Elton John deserve any medals for copying REO Speedwagon?

[Evolver]

Originally posted by American



Zero medals is far better than 3 undeserved medals. Anyone who came back blind, peg-leg, or with a hook for a hand would agree.

OK, the guy can do stuff. Tell me how that shows he did not deserve his medals. A year ago, I had my chest split open by a surgeon, yet now I work out in a gym, and am more athletic than most of my friend, co-workers, and probably YOU. Troll.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by c0rbin
You are bad for your cause, American.

You are bad for our cause, American.

Yes I have read down the thread.

[headscratcher4]

Remind me, when was the last time you were under fire?

You might not like Kerry, but he didn't award himself those medals. Those questioning Kerry's service in VN only make themselves look small...especially as no one can place the whereabouts of the current comander-in-cheif for months at a time.

[Evolver]

Originally posted by headscratcher4
... no one can place the whereabouts of the current comander-in-cheif for months at a time.

Wait a minute. I thought they found a witness. Some guy who happened to not be at the base at the same time as Bush.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by American

Zero medals is far better than 3 undeserved medals.Are you claiming that Kerry was not injured in any way, shape or form in the line of duty and specifically during combat situations and did not, therefore, meet the requirements for those medals? I'd be very interested to see the evidence that supports that claim. I would think it is a very serious thing.

[Mr Manifesto]

Somehow the subject of Kerry's bronze and silver stars have been avoided by "American", too. Imagine that.

However, don't think for a moment "American" will ever waver in his support of Bush. It's a case of one chickenhawk cheering on another.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by wolfgirl
And just what was it that Bush did during that same war, again? Remind me of what medals he received; I seem to have forgotten. I know! Let's ask Mr. Cheney!

[Chad Noles]

"Don't confuse me with the facts,my mind is made up."

[Troll]

Here is the only thing I don't understand about this whole war service thing. How can any democrat of sound mind (please, no jokes about the irony of using democrat and sound mind together) even give Bush the tiniest bit of crap for his service while they supported a guy that left the country altogether to avoid the war? And who did he run against the second time? Dole who has a better military record than Kerry.

I think it takes some pretty big balls and short memories for democrats to argue someone's military records, at least democrats that voted for Clinton.

[American]

Originally posted by headscratcher4
Remind me, when was the last time you were under fire?

You might not like Kerry, but he didn't award himself those medals. Those questioning Kerry's service in VN only make themselves look small...especially as no one can place the whereabouts of the current comander-in-cheif for months at a time.


He had one orgasmic moment of survival instinct. It was hardly a choice. That should be standard baseline bahavior for men - act like men. It doesn't make one a hero.

He then returned home to push socialism and methodically fought against all American ideals for the next 30 years. That's a choice of free will, which makes him a fiend.

[Pyrrho]

In the late Bill Mauldin's autobiography, "The Brass Ring", he mentions the time he was awarded a Purple Heart for a minor injury to his shoulder. On they day he was being given his exit-from-the-service physical exam, a rookie lieutenant looked at his records and exclaimed sarcastically, "They gave you a Purple Heart for that?" Whereupon, the man in line behind Mauldin spoke up; this was a man who had visible scars from gunshot wounds across his belly. What did he say? He said, "Christ, Lieutenant, he didn't make the rules! We take what we're given and we do what we're told."

It's not as if Kerry sent in applications for his Purple Heart medals. He went to war, he served, he was wounded, he was given the medals, like so many other soldiers before and since. It's a non-issue.

Who cares about his medals? I want to know his thoughts on how to run the country. I want to know who his backers are, and what influence they'll have if he's elected. That's what matters.

[zultr]

Originally posted by American

That should be standard baseline bahavior for men - act like men.

I agree. When hundreds of Americans are being killed every week in Vietnam, be a man and have your father pull some strings to bypass a two year wait list and get you into the National Guard. And when the National Guard starts drug testing in April 1972, be a man and realize that it just doesn’t matter if you go on a coke binge, don’t show up for your drug test, and get suspended, because your father will make sure it works out. In fact, be a real man and just don’t show up to the National Guard at all. And when your father gets you into Harvard Business School (after having gotten you into Yale and Andover), be a man and leave the National Guard nine months early – I’m sure there were thousands of boys in the DMZ getting transferred out to get their MBAs. Later, you start an unnecessary war that kills hundreds of Americans and three times as many Iraqi civilians as died on September 11, and be a man by saying, “bring it on.”

Kerry may have joined the army and saw combat in Vietnam, but he didn’t even lose an appendage. What a pussy.

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by American



He had one orgasmic moment of survival instinct. It was hardly a choice. That should be standard baseline bahavior for men - act like men. It doesn't make one a hero.


Purple Hearts are awarded on a per-incident basis, not a per-wound basis. Kerry would have to have been wounded on three seperate occasions to get three Purple Hearts. He was also given a Bronze and a Silver Star. That means that on at least two seperate occasions, Kerry was confirmed as being involved in sending Bad Guys to that big minefield in the sky. Picking on a decorated vet who fought for his country, was wounded in the process - and yes, even "killed a few commies for mommy" - is something I would've thought beyond even you, American. Kerry is not a "hero", and nobody has ever tried to portray him as such; and nobody who "came back with a peg leg" is going to complain that Kerry, like nearly every other soldier in Veitnam, came back with some brass. Only clueless babbies like you will complain.

[American]

I agree with Pyrrho.

I apologise to vets and peg-legs everywhere, and especially to Denise for calling her stupid. I was just mad cause she been away so long, and she aint a moderator no more so she can't intercede like Mother Mary to protect me...

[Dorian Gray]

I think it takes some pretty big balls and short memories for democrats to argue someone's military records, at least democrats that voted for Clinton. Clinton isn't running now. You Republicans need to get over that. That's half your problem - you can't stop living in the past: Bush as pres, war in Iraq, Powell, Rumsfeld, etc.

What's ironic, in addition to supporting my point, is that Reps were screeching about Clinton's draft dodging during both elections in the 90s, and now when when Bush's non-record goes up against a Vietnam Vet's record, they screech about Clinton's draft dodging.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Clinton isn't running now. You Republicans need to get over that. That's half your problem - you can't stop living in the past: Bush as pres, war in Iraq, Powell, Rumsfeld, etc.

What's ironic, in addition to supporting my point, is that Reps were screeching about Clinton's draft dodging during both elections in the 90s, and now when when Bush's non-record goes up against a Vietnam Vet's record, they screech about Clinton's draft dodging.

I'm not bitching about Clinton. I'm bitching about the hypocricy in the dems to even find it worth mentioning someone's record. And if you look back in the recent history, the dems questioned the crap out of Bush's record from the start. You wanted papers you got the damned papers. Does he have the kind of record McCain does? No, neither does Kerry. Yes republicans were complaining about Clinton's actually leaving the country. and you people bitched about them questioning it. So what now? Return the favor like a bunch of damned school kids?

The records for both show honorable conditions for discharge, they are eligible to run for the office. That deal is done already. Why not look into the issues now, or are you the blind party follower?

[Dorian Gray]

Why not look into the issues now, or are you the blind party follower? Ha ha! "I want to look into the issues now" says the guy who brought up Clinton leaving the country, what happened in the last election, etc.

Speaking of 'look[ing] back in the recent history', you did it in the same friggin post!

Thanks for playing.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Ha ha! "I want to look into the issues now" says the guy who brought up Clinton leaving the country, what happened in the last election, etc.

Speaking of 'look[ing] back in the recent history', you did it in the same friggin post!

Thanks for playing.

Pay attention. I brought him up as a point of hypocracy among the dems. Not that it is an issue for me. No wonder you people keep screaming about education, you still can't exercise decent reading comprehension skills. If you didn't care about military records or service then why care now? Would you like this spelled out phonetically?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Troll


Pay attention. I brought him up as a point of hypocracy among the dems. Not that it is an issue for me. No wonder you people keep screaming about education, you still can't exercise decent reading comprehension skills. If you didn't care about military records or service then why care now? Would you like this spelled out phonetically?

I think you'll find that the Kerry camp didn't bring up Kerry's record because they wanted to. It was in response to attempted smears against his character.

For example... look who started this thread. Kerry supporter? Would you prefer the Kerry supporters -or even those who don't support Kerry, but are simply against nonsensical arguments- to keep schtum? If so, upon what basis?

[bignickel]

I only clicked on this thread so I could make sure there was a referance to the word 'Speedwagon'.

Good. All is well in the world.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Troll
Here is the only thing I don't understand about this whole war service thing. How can any democrat of sound mind (please, no jokes about the irony of using democrat and sound mind together) even give Bush the tiniest bit of crap for his service while they supported a guy that left the country altogether to avoid the war? And who did he run against the second time? Dole who has a better military record than Kerry.

I think it takes some pretty big balls and short memories for democrats to argue someone's military records, at least democrats that voted for Clinton.
Here's the difference Troll. Clinton was against the war, took action to stay out of the war, admitted it and stood by it. Bush supported the war, but took actions (via family connections) to stay out of it, by all evidence didn't even do what he promised to do, and now refuses to even discuss what went on. It takes some pretty small balls to think that Bush is somehow nobler than Clinton in this regard.

I don't have any problem with a person who was against the Viet Nam war being president. It shows great perspicacity, if you ask me.

[headscratcher4]

Originally posted by American



He had one orgasmic moment of survival instinct. It was hardly a choice. That should be standard baseline bahavior for men - act like men. It doesn't make one a hero.

He then returned home to push socialism and methodically fought against all American ideals for the next 30 years. That's a choice of free will, which makes him a fiend.

As for "baseline" behavior...indeed, but it isn't baseline behavior...especially regarding the silver star, that is why not every man or women in combat gets one. Indeed, not everyone gets a purple heart. So, already, his behavior is extraordinary. I am glad that people like Kerry served to protect me and this country, I can only hope that I would have acted as well in a similar situation. What is George Bush and Dick Chaney's excuse...Chaney had other priorities, Bush can't remember or won't remeber where he was for part of his obligation. In any event, they never faced the challenge Kerry (and so many others did) under fire.

Whether you like his politics or not, he returned home and exersized his rights, as an American, to protest a war that he had come to believe was wrong (given he was there, it has a little more credibility than, say, Bush, cheering it on from the safety of an Alabama Senate race). In any event, he continued to serve ... both as a prosecutor, in state government and as a Senator. The fact that you would consider him a socialist only shows that you've no idea what you are talking about, especially in the context of the United States.

In the end, vote against him because you don't believe he will provide the leadership this country needs, but to denegrate his service denegrates the service of all veterans -- IMO -- whether awarded medals or not.