Next Woo of the Week

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Yes, folks it's NH/HS

http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=2757

"This is a case of a critically ill patient that was in ITU and intubated and sedated. This is an old tutor of mine and he was called in by the patient's daughter to treat her on the hospital ward.

This was a lady in her 60's and 70's who had collapsed. She was taken to hospital and was septic with jaundice and some kind of abdominal bleed. She was taken to ITU and was intubated and sedated. Her daughter called in my tutor to see her and asked him to prescribe a remedy. When he got to the ward he asked the ITU Registrar if it was ok to do this and he agreed, saying the normal rubbish that it would not work so go ahead.

He sat down and looked at the patient. Her abdomen was swollen and enlarged and she was swollen and looked quite purple in colour. Her face was puffy too. He chose appropriate rubrics to cover the sepsis and the predominating symptoms and the remedy that came out of it was Crotalus Horridus - The Rattlesnake of North America. As it was a Sunday, he was not sure that he would be able to obtain Crot. H from any pharmacy, so he decided to try and get the better known remedy Lachesis. Basically, Lachesis is quite similar with the difference being that Crot. H is used for more severe septic states. Anyway, he managed to find a homeopathic pharmacy near that was open and got a bottle Lachesis liquid remedy in a 30c potency.

As the patient was intubated, she could not be given anything orally, so he asked the nurses to put the drops of Lachesis on her skin over the pulse points on her wrist four times daily. She began to recover and within a few days of this treatment, she was ready to be extubated and be tranferred to a normal ward. She was sent down to the normal ward, but as she was so anxious and quite traumatised still, she could not be extuabated. My tutor went back to see her on the ward and looked at her and what he could see was this pronounced shaking all over. He prescribed Arnica 30c tincture and again asked the nurse to put two drops on her pulse points twice daily. Within two doses of the Arnica, she had stopped shaking and was able to be extubated and went on to survive for several more years, living a very full life.

We asked our tutor and he said that all the doctor had said was that miracles do happen."

It's obvious to me that although the patient was in intensive care, absolutely no other treatment would have been given, so NH is 100% correct, as usual, to ascribe recovery to dabbing magic water on the patient's skin. I hope this is just as clear to everyone else.

[Benguin]

Are we to believe that the doctors were not providing any kind of treatment to this lady?

Maybe they decided it wasn't necessary as the homeopath would do all the curing for them!

[Prester John]

Looks pretty clear cut to me, definately not trying to claim a recovery caused by modern medicine was a homeopathic success. No no no .

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Many of my patients get better by using homeopathy in its ultimate potency i.e. I don't use homeopathic remedies at all, and since less means more, I am an infinitely powerful clinician. All bow before me!

Edited to add: No. Silly me. Its all the waste homeopathic remedies carrying their potency via the water supply into the I/V fluids. Thanks to the homeopathic pharmacies every drop of water is now a totipotent homeopathic remedy. All disease has been ended. Hurrah!

[Lisa Simpson]

Would HS perhaps care to post what else besides homeopathy was going on with the woman, i.e. what were the real doctors doing at the same time?

[Psiload]

Let me get this straight...

You don't even have to swallow it? You can just put a drop on your skin? Do the homeopathic lab technicians who manufacture this stuff wear full MOP suits? Just imagine the disastrous results of an inadvertant dousing! :eek:

Just when you think it couldn't possibly get any wackier. :rolleyes:

Edited to add:

Are homeopathic labs outfitted with emergency eye wash stations? If so... what squirts out of them? Wouldn't water just make it worse?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
She began to recover and within a few days of this treatment, she was ready to be extubated and be tranferred to a normal ward. She was sent down to the normal ward, but as she was so anxious and quite traumatised still, she could not be extuabated.:confused:

Did she have a tracheotomy in? Would that make sense of this account?

Isn't it weird that NH will produce a sort of a detailed case report for the HH crowd, but here, where we pressed her to detail the case features, she won't. Not even in an attempt to substantiate her assertions that she has a medical degree. It still doesn't read to me like the writings of anyone with a medical degree.We asked our tutor and he said that all the doctor had said was that miracles do happen.:id:

Clearly the tutor had no concept of the meaning of sarcasm.

Rolfe.

[Rolfe]

BSM your PM box is full. Do something.

Rolfe.

[geni]

sorry but albert has just trumped NH hands down.

What I read was sufficient to state the following for those with brains to comprehend; and, quite bluntly, back to Hell with everyone else too stupid to comprehend the truth of the matter since it's clearly part of their destiny.


and

Vaccines are injections of puss containing viruses numbering in the trillions!
not living in the 20th centry aparently

further

They (viruses) CANNOT be killed, and any claims or suggestions to the contrary are total lies by allopathic quacks (or their stupid dupes), who of course eventually MURDER all of their patients because they are totally incompetent to cure any but bacterial diseases and even those questionably and at a cost that usually unfolds into iatrogenic diseases later called chronic diseases after they have developed far enough uncured to be so isolated from other diseases.


You can read the rest here (http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=2722&page=2)

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Rolfe
BSM your PM box is full. Do something.

Rolfe.

Something done.

[Matabiri]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Yes, folks it's NH/HS
"As the patient was intubated, she could not be given anything orally, so he asked the nurses to put the drops of Lachesis on her skin over the pulse points on her wrist four times daily. She began to recover and within a few days of this treatment, she was ready to be extubated and be tranferred to a normal ward."

Also, is there any evidence that the nurse actually bothered to apply the water?

[Benguin]

Yes, I'm sure she had plenty of time to fit this in to her other duties around the hospital

[Prester John]

The thread BSM linked to is actually quite interesting, as Fitness 1st the thread starter has asked a number of interesting questions (that incidently would see a skeptic banned). Only one of the homeopaths has actually answered all the questions. Whilst a lot of words have been written, not much of substance has actually been said, (anecdotes only). The homeopaths really do seem to lack basic scientific skills/awareness.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by geni
sorry but albert has just trumped NH hands down.

and

not living in the 20th centry aparently

further

You can read the rest here (http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=2722&page=2) Ahh good old Albertt! He and I go back a long time, long since I heard from him. He not only does not live in the 20th century (and neither do you ;)), he does not live on planet Earth.

He is the most straight-out kosher Hahnemannian hoemopath I have ever met. And he is barking mad. Go figure ;).

Hans

[Rolfe]

Very strange people.

I noted two things. First, one of Jennilee's posts addresses something apparently said by "Starburn" in a previous post. But there is no post in the thread from Starburn. Deleted/censored, obviously.

Second, look at the incidence of pathetic inadequates who for some reason have come to believe that homoeopathy helped them, and are now studying to become homoeopaths themselves. BSM has mentioned this before, and I think he's right. Many of the homoeopaths we encounter have come into homoeopathy this way, and we're not really dealing with the brightest (or most stable) knives in the drawer here.

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

Mmmm, I wish this Dr. Mas would come over here and discuss a bit. He seems not dumb at all.

Hans

[Benguin]

Have you noticed that thread on hpathy about someone looking for a homeopath experienced in breast cancer management ...homeopath experienced in breast cancer management (http://www.hpathy.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=1372&PagePosition=1)

I think that really does it for me on why this stuff is not just innocent woo-woo fairies in the garden material.

[exarch]

Originally posted by geni
You can read the rest here (http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=2722&page=2)That means it breaks them up into their constituent amino acids, which is called digestion, so that assimilation of small molecules can be had across the semi-permeable membrane of the small intestine via diffusion.I thought digestion only took place in the stomach and intestines? Not inside the blood cycle? Is he suggesting that anything ingested in the bloodstream will be digested by the blood? Does he think the bloodstream is a part of the digestive system?

I'm stunned :eek:

Edited to add:
Nope, sorry, he just forgot the purpose of the kidneys:All of that occurs in the gastrointestinal tract, NOT in the musculature!

These foreign proteins thus often sit for decades unrecognized within our cells, just like deadly free radicals, and forward-thinking allopathic Minds have suggested a range of deadly activity attributable to them but so far unrecognized by more conventional/conservative colleagues.

[geni]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Mmmm, I wish this Dr. Mas would come over here and discuss a bit. He seems not dumb at all.

Hans

He's not dumb but he is a slightly strange charater

http://whoslying.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=267

[exarch]

Originally posted by Benguin
Have you noticed that thread on hpathy about someone looking for a homeopath experienced in breast cancer management ...homeopath experienced in breast cancer management (http://www.hpathy.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=1372&PagePosition=1)

I think that really does it for me on why this stuff is not just innocent woo-woo fairies in the garden material.What about their monthly mailing:Suppression of emotions is a key factor in the development of Cancer and this brings us back to the deobstruent qualities of Calendula - that of being able to unblock, to let a free passage or flow go forth. It is this that gives Calendula its essential characteristics - to remove the obstruction causing pain, to soothe and restore without any scarring, physically, mentally and emotionally. It restores the vision when we have been blinded by false communication.There you have it Hal, Martha was just sad. Smoking had nothing to do with it.

[Benguin]

I seem to recall under British law it is a specific offence to make a claim to be able to treat cancer unless you have some proven methodology.

Does anyone know if that's right and how it would apply?

I know it's hypothetical as this is not a UK thing, but what the hell.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by geni


He's not dumb but he is a slightly strange charater

http://whoslying.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=267 Yeah, I saw that one some time back :rolleyes:. Whats interesting about him is that he seems quite open-minded. Obviously, I think he is deluded too, but it would be interesting to hear the opinion of someone not totally depenent on ye olde mantras.

Hans

[Psiload]

Suppression of emotions is a key factor in the development of Cancer and this brings us back to the deobstruent qualities of Calendula - that of being able to unblock, to let a free passage or flow go forth. It is this that gives Calendula its essential characteristics - to remove the obstruction causing pain, to soothe and restore without any scarring, physically, mentally and emotionally. It restores the vision when we have been blinded by false communication. If those poor children who lived in Chernobyl back in 1986 hadn't kept their emotions all bottled up inside, they wouldn't be dealing with an 800% rise in childhood cancer, and a 3000% rise in thyroid cancer.

I once saw a woo woo on a local cable access show spouting this same "suppressed emotion becomes cancer" nonsense. I called in, it was easy to get through, we're not talking CNN here...

I told the guy that he should contact the tobacco companies, and see if they needed him to testify in their defense in all those misguided cancer victim cases. I also told him that he should contact the Children of Chernobyl, and explain to them how the Russian government has no culpibilty for what they obviously brought upon themselves with their stoic attitudes.

His response? "Well, that's all the time we have for today! Please join us next time on the Natural Healing Jackass Hour, when we discuss more of my ridiculous fantasies."

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What is ITU? Where did this happen. When? What else was done with her if she existed and went to an actual hospital? Why was she feeling badly? What was the diagnosis and why? etc etc etc

[Benguin]

ITU is commonly used in British hospitals. I think it means Intensive Treatment Unit.

I'd still say you are probably right on the anecdotal comment, though.

[Capsid]

All of that occurs in the gastrointestinal tract, NOT in the musculature!

Clearly does not understand the role of antigen presenting cells.

And I notice he spouts the same argument about diseases declining because of improved sanitation. But polio increased as a consequence of improved sanitation which I reported in this thread (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39382). But why hasn't chicken pox declined?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Benguin
ITU is commonly used in British hospitals. I think it means Intensive Treatment Unit. Is it? The term that seems familiar to me is ICU - Intensive Care Unit.

Is "ITU" an accepted term?

Rolfe.

[Prester John]

either icu or itu, same thing.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Prester John
either icu or itu, same thing. OK. I only seem to have encountered the first of these, but fortunately I've never been in one of them!

Rolfe.