Bigfoot is NOT real

[Jack Wilkox]

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die?

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel.


Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

[Mudcat]

Hello! Welcome to the boards;

Now, I don't disbelieve the conclusion but you might want to cool it and try to frame your argument better as it is all coming off as a rant.

[RedRatSnake]

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die?

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel.


Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

They cover up there tracks

Bigfoot is self generating

There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF

Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks

“We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.”

[ScannerHead]

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot.


Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.

[Brian-M]

Of course Bigfoot is real. I saw him on Futurama, so he must exist.

But there are many photos of Bigfoot that aren't faked. Here's one...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Big_foot.JPG/300px-Big_foot.JPG

:)

[Gawdzilla]

Of course Bigfoot is real. I saw him on Futurama, so he must exist.

But there are many photos of Bigfoot that aren't faked. Here's one...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Big_foot.JPG/300px-Big_foot.JPG

:)

You can see Bigfoot every day, where Lindbergh crosses I-270 in St. Louis.

[Jungle Jim]

Mr. Wilkox: If you had spent any time lurking on this site you would have found several threads regarding Bigfoot already in progress. I don't know why you felt your first post should be a new thread about this phenomenon, especially since it offers nothing new, clever or the least bit entertaining.

[Jack Wilkox]

They cover up there tracks

Bigfoot is self generating

There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF

Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks

“We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.”

Bigfoot covering tracks - that kind of assumes bigfoot is always thinking about hiding. Thats more like an excuse that researchers use for never being able to find it. Also if you were bigfoot and you were the boss of the woods then why would you feel the need to hide? Even more interesting, why would you leave huge stick structures but hide footprints. And if bigfoot is always thinking about hiding from humans and so it covers its tracks, if it lives in the middle of nowhere there should be no humans to worry about so why hide?

Jacob - do you have a picture of a juvenile bigfoot? you should share it and give it to a bigfoot researcher.

Wallace - he admitted he was the man in the suit in the Bigfoot picture.

[Jack Wilkox]

Its a good question though you have to admit Jungle Jim. Where is bigfoot?

[Jack Wilkox]

Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

[RedRatSnake]

Not only do they cover there tracks, but BF can send out a sonic blast that will confuse a person and make em crap there pants, there also masters of the pine cone throwing technique and have been known to weave blankets.

[Mudcat]

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

Let me stop you right there by saying you are off to a bad start right there. You can't just say there a photo, have to source it as well. That's because the days of 'photo or it didn't happen' are over with. That's because of the wide availability of photo manipulation software like Photoshop, Gimp, Coreal, etc.

It's not that we think that you yourself altered a photo but it's entirely possible you got taken in by one.

[GT/CS]

There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll

[RedRatSnake]

Ya i'll go with that

[John Albert]

"Deliberately obtuse" is the phrase that comes to mind.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll

Defense department social media "bot". Beta version. It is creating a profile based on open-source data harvesting, and it can sound a little mixed up until it adjusts from a random start position to its equilibrium settings.

[Cheetah]

But bigfoot is real, and there are MANY of them. Ever since the invention of the disposable razor they have moved out of the woods and infiltrated our society. The ones sometimes spotted at a distance in the wild are the die-hard conservatives of the species, there are not many of those though. :eek:

[Roger Ramjets]

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptid), a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist!

[Muldur]

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. :boggled:

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

[Muldur]

Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptid), a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist!

Circular reasoning fallacy.

[River]

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. :boggled:

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Meldrums theory about that is laughable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlOX-JZZsjM&feature=player_detailpage#t=573s), just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent.

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact"

Wow, nice attention to detail that Wallace. Making the wood crack there and stuff.

Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.

[LTC8K6]

BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years

None of which has ever been confirmed...such is only worth anything in informal conversations between people discussing the subject.

It's worth zero to science.

Wallace is confirmed. Wallace's tracks are definitely in bigfoot publications as examples of genuine tracks. Wallace's tracks have definitely been extolled by prominent bigfoot experts as genuine. To this day, in fact, Wallace tracks are held up as genuine by bigfoot proponents.

[Muldur]

Meldrums theory about that is laughable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlOX-JZZsjM&feature=player_detailpage#t=573s), just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent.

Argument from ridicule.


People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact"

There is of course the possibility that he, utilizing scientific and other professional expertise, is aware of data that you are not. Have you personally examined the same tracks and the alleged stompers?

Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.

Good enough to catch the fact that the anatomic landmarks and other biometric indicators of the alleged stompers do not match those of casts the actual tracks taken in the wild. They DO possess similarities to the presentation casts that were given to various persons (including Wallace), which were altered with by adding clay before reproduction to improve their appearance.

[Muldur]

None of which has ever been confirmed...such is only worth anything in informal conversations between people discussing the subject.

It's worth zero to science.

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.


Wallace is confirmed.

False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.

Wallace's tracks are definitely in bigfoot publications as examples of genuine tracks. Wallace's tracks have definitely been extolled by prominent bigfoot experts as genuine. To this day, in fact, Wallace tracks are held up as genuine by bigfoot proponents.

There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

[Resume]

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years

So where are the bigfoot trails? I can show you game trails left by deer, elk, caribou, etc, shouldn't something the alleged size of footie leave a mark?

[LTC8K6]

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.



False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.



There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

Fortunately most of us live in the real world, where what I wrote is true, and actually generous to footers.

[LTC8K6]

Muldur, I hate to break it to you, but this is a fake sasquatch footprint. About as obvious as it can get, too.

Skeptics aren't the only ones to notice.


http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/jpg/034.jpg

[RedRatSnake]

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias.


He is just going with it, there is no way to keep face and back down at this point he is way too deep into it.

[Penemue]

Probably there is no such thing as Bigfoot.
But since he doesn't ask for tithes, I don't mind people believing in him so much.

[RedRatSnake]

I got too say it is a fun subject, and it's even better hearing about all the super powers BF have, i am kinda jealous i don't have any of those, Man laser beam eyes would be awesome to help me cut threw sheet metal instead of using snips.

[mikeyx]

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. :boggled:

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Meldrum is as RRS beat me to, damaged goods at this point. He has dubious side income as a celebrity and constantly dead horse of accredited scientist when you refuse to hear the opinions of yet another accredited scientist (saskeptic), you just come off looking silly.

Since you're here; here it is:

Noll: Trying to stay relevant visa vie the skookum elk lay
Meldrum: compromised due to a number of factors, money being one

[mikeyx]

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.



False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.



There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

It's almost amusing how you have to give Meldrum a plug in every post seemingly. He's not entirely credible on the subject, and I actually have an open mind to the subject as a whole. It's the online stuff that is 99% BS and that is where Meldrum makes his side income.

[River]

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.



False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.



There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

Which planet are you on Muldur? Here is a little bit in case you've been hiding for the last 50 years or so.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/frz/1107477084.gif

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/frz/1143519222_thumb1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/frz/11072994242.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/frz/wallacetracks.gif

[Blackdog]

He's seen that and he knows that, he won't admit it on the BFF and he certainly won't admit it here.

Meldrum thinks they are real and that's all that matters to Mulder because in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible.

[The Shrike]

. . . in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible.

Now I wanna see Meldrum's face Photoshopped on a cover of Tiger Beat magazine. Get to it, JREF!

Muldur, don't say I never did anything nice for you . . .

[River]

Now I wanna see Meldrum's face Photoshopped on a cover of Tiger Beat magazine. Get to it, JREF!

Muldur, don't say I never did anything nice for you . . .

rofl

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iammenotu/frz/rofl.jpg

[Jack Wilkox]

I believe Wallace even tricked Jeff Meldrum. I recall Meldrum saying he had a real cast, but then it turned out to have been faked by Wallace himself. Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?

[Jack Wilkox]

Also if they hide their tracks, why do they smash trees and make stick buildings and twist sticks? Seems almost like he wants to be found.

[ScannerHead]

I believe Wallace even tricked Jeff Meldrum. I recall Meldrum saying he had a real cast, but then it turned out to have been faked by Wallace himself. Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?

Just HOW THE HELL did Wallace film "Roger Patterson's Film"? :eye-poppi

What conversation are you in?

[The Shrike]

rofl
I enjoyed that even more than I thought I would.

[RedRatSnake]

Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?

I thought Grover Krantz filmed the Patterson film.

[William Parcher]

I thought Grover Krantz filmed the Patterson film.

It was Ray Patterson.

[Jack Wilkox]

Just HOW THE HELL did Wallace film "Roger Patterson's Film"? :eye-poppi

What conversation are you in?
I just got Roger Wallace mixed up with Ray Patterson. Wallace hoaxed tracks, and Patterson hoaxed bigfoot.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I think its pretty clear that there was more than one shooter involved. If you look at the grassy knoll where Patterson is standing here, it can be seen in the PGF as a "puff of smoke", which led to the bigfoot slaughter hypothesis. It is the flash of another camera lense. Back and to the left.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/william_parcher/5863a9cd.jpg

[Jack Wilkox]

I thought Grover Krantz filmed the Patterson film.

No you might be mistaking Grover Krantz with Bob Gimlin. Gimlin is the only one to have survived the Patterson video and he is still alive today.

[RedRatSnake]

Well Technically Patterson filmed the person that was hoaxing a BF,

:) Sorry i'm just bored waiting for the little ***** to knock on my door looking for candy.

[Mudcat]

I believe Wallace even tricked Jeff Meldrum. I recall Meldrum saying he had a real cast, but then it turned out to have been faked by Wallace himself. Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?I just did an argumentative essay debunking the drek that is that film (along with other claims of bigfooters) and I don't recall Wallace being mentioned as having any part of the film.

He was simply a prankster who enjoyed a good joke, which is why he faked those Bigfoot tracks.

Also if they hide their tracks, why do they smash trees and make stick buildings and twist sticks? Seems almost like he wants to be found.
It almost seems you are a footer trying to pass themselves as a skeptic to me. Just saying.

[GT/CS]

IMO he's just trying to be funny, and doing a OK job, yet bordering on lame.

[Jack Wilkox]

I just did an argumentative essay debunking the drek that is that film (along with other claims of bigfooters) and I don't recall Wallace being mentioned as having any part of the film.

He was simply a prankster who enjoyed a good joke, which is why he faked those Bigfoot tracks.


It almost seems you are a footer trying to pass themselves as a skeptic to me. Just saying.

No what I meant was how do proponents of bigfoot say "oh he hides his tracks because he wants to be invisible to people" but then ignore that bigfoot has been suspected to twist sticks off trees and stack logs in triads, etc. This seems to indicate bigfoot isnt even trying to hide and isnt aware people chasing him and isnt even that smart. And actually i even think bigfoot is not real.

[RoboTimbo]

It almost seems you are a footer trying to pass themselves as a skeptic to me. Just saying.

The clever money is on this hypothesis.

[RedRatSnake]

Its almost like he wants to be found but wants to also be mysterious.

That is exactly what it is about.

Also ~ BF twists the branches for the bark so they can weave blankets and cover there huts to keep the rain out.

[Jack Wilkox]

Its almost like he wants to be found but wants to also be mysterious.

That is exactly what it is about.

Also ~ BF twists the branches for the bark so they can weave blankets and cover there huts to keep the rain out.

How do you know this? Bigfoot would have fingers like sausages how would it be able to connect a blanket.

[Mudcat]

How do you know this? Bigfoot would have fingers like sausages how would it be able to connect a blanket.

Red is clever enough to actually be clever, though sorry if I misunderstood your earlier post. No hard feelings?

[AlaskaBushPilot]

No what I meant was how do proponents of bigfoot say "oh he hides his tracks because he wants to be invisible to people"

This is what they call a "tell".

Invisible footprints. Right, that's the core of bigfoot right there: it achieved legendary status on account of no footprints to name itself for.

[RedRatSnake]

Cause Albert Ostman said they did and he was a old nice man, or perhaps they stole them off a clothes line some wear who knows.

Isn't this fun on Halloween night talking about spooky ole Bigfoot, i think i hear one now at the door. http://images.findicons.com/files/icons/1299/creeps/128/bigfoot.png

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I have had one trick-or-treat visitor in 25 years. Heh. One too many.

[Joecool]

Its a good question though you have to admit Jungle Jim. Where is bigfoot?

I think bigfoot is currently hawking Jack Links Beef Jerky. :D

[xblade]

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. :boggled:

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Well, not really....but ookay.

[xblade]

Just HOW THE HELL did Wallace film "Roger Patterson's Film"? :eye-poppi

What conversation are you in?

It's bigfoot. Anything is possible.

[L.Y.S.]

Crushing my child hood dreams of having a hairy-ape for a friend. :(

[parnassus]

Meldrums theory about that is laughable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlOX-JZZsjM&feature=player_detailpage#t=573s), just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent.

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact"

Wow, nice attention to detail that Wallace. Making the wood crack there and stuff.

Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.

Mulder doesn't really have any facts and he doesn't really know what's in any books. His posts are just cheerleading for Meldrum. Is that harsh?

[mikeyx]

Mulder doesn't really have any facts and he doesn't really know what's in any books. His posts are just cheerleading for Meldrum. Is that harsh?

no, it's spot on, and the larger manifestation of this kind of thing largely why many of the older school folks have left the current BFF. (Without getting into my own banning, which was requested, we'll leave it there).

There are a large segment of the footers online that have left online footer stuff 99% BS. And in my own possibly aranoid opinion, some of the so called alpha footers prey on this.

Noll among others goes on the current BFF to stay relevant, among others but as time has gone on things that they have done have been rightly questioned and found wanting.

Case and point; the skookum lay: Its clearly an elk, it has the murk of bFRO involvement (Moneymaker), and Noll is the self appointed gateway to any direct contact with the cast itself. Why? So he can stay relevant for without it he is just another schmoe looking.

As for Muldur, his whole schtick is what Meldrum endorses, and or legend meets science. But he and his following on BFF might just as well be called the Meldrum cult, which is why I occasionally use Saint Meldrum. It fits..

[The Shrike]

. . . I occasionally use Saint Meldrum. It fits..

In the only post in which I was ever officially reprimanded at the BFF, I had made a reference to Meldrum "playing the martyr".

[mikeyx]

In the only post in which I was ever officially reprimanded at the BFF, I had made a reference to Meldrum "playing the martyr".

been there done that in concept. It's my humble opinion that they hide behind the whole no religious reference excuse very often to prop the celebrities, maybe to keep the forum relevant, the old grey mare aint what she used to be.

[desertgal]

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die?

I don't believe it has ever been claimed that there is only ONE Bigfoot.

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel. What are you talking about? There have been numerous alleged pictures and film footage of Bigfeet.

If you are referring to the Patterson Gimlin film, yes it is believed to be fake. It has never been 100% PROVEN to be fake. Unless Gimlin confesses and antes up the suit, it never will be.

Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.This is not a 'footer forum. If you'd read the numerous threads about BF here, you'd see that most people here don't believe BF is real....so why would they bother proving you wrong when you echo the same belief?

Gimlin is the only one to have survived the Patterson video and he is still alive today.

Actually, they all survived the PGF. None of the participants were killed during the filming.

[GT/CS]

<Snip>

Actually, they all survived the PGF. None of the participants were killed during the filming.

Well, except for Patty and her family.

According to a couple well known 'footers Gimlin blew away Patty at the end of the film, after he and Roger killed her family and left their bodies in the creek.

[desertgal]

Well, except for Patty and her family.

According to a couple well known 'footers Gimlin blew away Patty at the end of the film, after he and Roger killed her family and left their bodies in the creek.

And yet all Patterson and Gimlin returned with from this bloody escapade was some blurry film footage.

I'd say they sucked even as con artists...except that that same blurry film footage is still being dissected 40+ years later, so I guess P-G got the last laugh.

[RedRatSnake]

It's an old scratchy film that hurts my eyes to watch it, sure when i was a kid it was a blast thinking a real monster was out there walking around in the forest, heck i didn't care i lived in the city and BF wasn't going to get me, i felt sorry for the country kids, and after Boggy Creek i didn't think any of them had a chance in hell.

Thank goodness that film was so blurry, cause if it wasn't, no one else would have the excuse to make there BF films blurry too.

Thank you PGF for so many years of entertainment, long live BF

[BigShoeStu]

I'm right here guys. Size 16 US, 15 UK, 51.5 EU. I'm very tall and fairly hairy too... and admitedly have run naked in the woods (but that's another thread)...

[mikeyx]

It's an old scratchy film that hurts my eyes to watch it, sure when i was a kid it was a blast thinking a real monster was out there walking around in the forest, heck i didn't care i lived in the city and BF wasn't going to get me, i felt sorry for the country kids, and after Boggy Creek i didn't think any of them had a chance in hell.

Thank goodness that film was so blurry, cause if it wasn't, no one else would have the excuse to make there BF films blurry too.

Thank you PGF for so many years of entertainment, long live BF

in
conclusve
fifty years old, get over it

[RedRatSnake]

I like making fun of it

[mikeyx]

I like making fun of it

As I do the skookum lay and the Meldrum cult, fair enough.

[John Albert]

Them Bigfoots is messing with your mind, son!

[RedRatSnake]

Attention: Bigfoot is no longer going to be in the Primate ( monkey species) classification, according to the new theory it is now Human, of course this is subject to change at anytime in order for the footers to keep face, please stay tuned for further developments.

[brenn]

Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.

I haven't looked at JREF much for a couple of years, yet this junior high school argument style still seems to dominate.:rolleyes:

I am, however, assuming you aren't sarcastically mocking those who do it. This being a troll thread, rather than a serious argument, it's hard to say.