"Tough love" leaves "extensive bruising" - Evnglcl. teen-rehab program to shut d

[Ladewig]

Arizona Republic (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0402teenreach02.html)

A controversial evangelical teen-rehab program once lauded by three state legislators was ordered shut down after a child was found with extensive bruising from a "supervised spanking."
The Scottsdale-based Teen Reach, which charges parents upward of $35,000 for six months of Christian faith-based drug and alcohol therapy, has a history of licensing violations in Arizona and Ohio. Last year, Arizona authorities sanctioned Teen Reach for using handcuffs to restrain at least one defiant youth.

[neutrino_cannon]

Reminds me of The Family's voctor programs, and simmilar programs run by the Church of Scientology.

$ 35,000 to get handcuffed and spanked?

*Strains to avoid tasteless joke*

[Kopji]

Arizona authorities are particularly wary of so-called tough-love programs, several of which have resulted in deaths or severe injuries
Unfortunately this is the tip of a fairly large problem that extends to treatment of youth in the State correctional systems. The latest problem is sexual abuse of the minors, and high suicide rates of kids being held.

Coconino county judges even blocked transfer of minors to the state facilities for a while. (I could not find this on the web).


For years, state officials from the governor down have virtually ignored allegations that children are being mistreated at Arizona's juvenile corrections facilities. Finally, the federal government is forcing Arizona to pay attention.
"worse" (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2004-01-29/news.html/1/index.html)


Debatable if this is a religious issue except that conservative 'no nonsense' religious people elect minded people to government. So I think it's partly 'yes', as cultural influence that teaches bad people should be locked up and if something happens to them, well they should have behaved better...

[Yahweh]

Proverbs 13:24
"He that spareth his rod hateth his son"

[Benguin]

Last year, Arizona authorities sanctioned Teen Reach for using handcuffs to restrain at least one defiant youth.

Sounds like they've softened their approach a little

2 Kings 2
Elisha Is Jeered
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

[Dancing David]

Well Jeez, some forms of religion are based upon the support of domestic violence and brain washing. Is it suprising that this would happen when there is a system that is sometimes based upon "Do as I say or I shall beat you." or "Do as I say or you will suffer eternal damnation.".

[Ladewig]

I posted it for the absurdity of "I wouldn't hit you hard enough to leave bruises unless I really loved you." After reading the replies, I see how beating teenagers to get them to do what you want teaches kids to beat people to get them to do what you want.


The lion shall lie down with the lamb. But the lion will smack the lamb around a bit first.

[MLynn]

I lived my young life in Arizona. It is a conservative state, both religiously and politically. My mom used to come after me with a fly swatter and swat me on the back of the legs, but only after repeated warnings of, "do I have to get the fly swatter?"
The few times she actually did use it, it only stung, but no welts, bruising or any other crap like that. She was fair in her corporal discipline.

[Riddick]

Of course, everyone knows that such tragedies don't happen at Atheist or Agnostic sponsored programs.

Are you all really that naive?

[triadboy]

Originally posted by Riddick
Of course, everyone knows that such tragedies don't happen at Atheist or Agnostic sponsored programs.

Are you all really that naive?

Do you think spanking would be allowed at a freethinkers camp? (I don't know - but I doubt it)

[triadboy]

Originally posted by MLynn
My mom used to come after me with a fly swatter and swat me on the back of the legs, but only after repeated warnings of, "do I have to get the fly swatter?"

My parents took a paddle ball I had - took off the rubber string and ball - painted the paddle red (?!) - and kept it on the refrigerator with the handle hanging over so I could see it from below. "Do you want me to get the red paddle?" was my invitation to straighten up.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Riddick
Of course, everyone knows that such tragedies don't happen at Atheist or Agnostic sponsored programs.

Are you all really that naive? How many specific Atheist sponsored drug rehab programs do you think there are? NONE! That would be the same as a anti-leprecaun alcohol treatment program.

What the f*ck kind of reasoning is "Stop drinking because there is no god."?

This program is based on "Stop doing drugs because it makes the baby jesus cry.".

[c4ts]

Spankings? Handcuffs? Teens?

Just what kind of operation is this anyway?

[Quester_X]

This makes me think about something else I've heard about recently. Have any of you ever heard of Tranquility Bay? It's offical website is here:

www.tranquilitybay.org

But I was first heard about this place in a different way. Much much worse. I read some info in a forum, and did some searching. Found this:

http://brutalitybay.blogspot.com/

There's other sites like that last one, and I found some court transcripts online describing nightmarish conditions. (Can't remember the link though). How can places like this exist?

[Fordama]

Naughty, naughty Zuit.
You must tie her down and spank her.
And then, spank me.
"then me!"
"spank me!"
Yes, you must spank us all.
And after the spanking...........

[MLynn]

Originally posted by Riddick
Of course, everyone knows that such tragedies don't happen at Atheist or Agnostic sponsored programs.

Are you all really that naive?
My impression is that secular (as opposed to atheist/agnostic) facilities have more oversight and must comply with state laws than private, religious institutions. It usually takes some horrible incident for such (religious) a facility to come to the attention of officials.

[MLynn]

Originally posted by MLynn

My impression is that secular (as opposed to atheist/agnostic) facilities have more oversight and must comply with state laws than private, religious institutions. It usually takes some horrible incident for such (religious) a facility to come to the attention of officials.
edited to add: As a side-note, my sister-in-law who is mentally disabled was taken out of a horrible state mental institution and was placed in a loving "christian" home-facility that is monitored very rigourously. She is much happier now and has friends.

[MLynn]

Originally posted by triadboy


My parents took a paddle ball I had - took off the rubber string and ball - painted the paddle red (?!) - and kept it on the refrigerator with the handle hanging over so I could see it from below. "Do you want me to get the red paddle?" was my invitation to straighten up.
May dad had a paddle from his college fraternity, and when the fly swatter threat wasn't enough, mom would say, "Does your father have to get the paddle when he gets home?" Dad never had to use the paddle... :D

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick
Of course, everyone knows that such tragedies don't happen at Atheist or Agnostic sponsored programs.

Are you all really that naive?

Nice strawman kiddo.

[neutrino_cannon]

I will simply leave nothing unturned when it is convinient for me to do so.

I'm bored right now, so I'll look into this.

Well, the quote 'atheist rehab programs' turns up nothing. Same for the quote atheist rehab center, centers, or just about any iteration you can think of.

Appearantly, nobody ever gets abused in atheist reform programs because such things do not exist.

Of course, that must be because we're hateful callous people right?;)

Then again, the rehab programs, whatever they were, in the USSR should have been atheist right?

Well, there you go. See what those were like.

[Gestahl]

warning, this may be slightly off-topic... but relevent.

Do you all think spanking is a viable method of teaching and controlling your children? I plan to spank my kids. I just don't see how you can possibly control a 2-year-old without physical feedback: they are too young to understand morality and ethics, and they may not respond to anything else with anything other than a temper tantrum. For those who are for "time-outs" or something, how does that work on 2-year olds? I have only had contact with one couple that said they refused to spank, and their child is an absolute hellion, and they have a tough time settling him down.

[c4ts]

Spanking your children is one thing, spanking them until they are severely bruised and injured is another.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Gestahl
warning, this may be slightly off-topic... but relevent.

Do you all think spanking is a viable method of teaching and controlling your children? I plan to spank my kids. I just don't see how you can possibly control a 2-year-old without physical feedback: they are too young to understand morality and ethics, and they may not respond to anything else with anything other than a temper tantrum. For those who are for "time-outs" or something, how does that work on 2-year olds? I have only had contact with one couple that said they refused to spank, and their child is an absolute hellion, and they have a tough time settling him down.

As a children's advocate at a domestic violence shelter I have to say this, It Is Never Appropriate To Strike or Yell at a Child. It is posible to raise children without using corporal punishment.

I have a nineteen year old in college and a nine year old at home, they are both well mannered and respectful people. Spanking was not used in the rearing of them.

Children are motivated to please their caregivers, there are ways to set limits with children without striking them.