Bible help

[bpesta22]

Hey, two questions:

1) is the phrase spare the rod spoil the child in the bible?

2) what biblical verse-- if any-- do fundies quote to "prove" that god's pro-life / anti-abortion

TIA

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by bpesta22
Hey, two questions:

1) is the phrase spare the rod spoil the child in the bible?

2) what biblical verse-- if any-- do fundies quote to "prove" that god's pro-life / anti-abortion

TIA


1) I don't think the exact prase is in there, but similar:

Pro 13:24 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Pro/Pro013.html#24)
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


2) Thou shalt not kill.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by bpesta22
Hey, two questions:

1) is the phrase spare the rod spoil the child in the bible?
That phrase does not appear in the bible.

According to PhaseFinder (http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/328950.html), the phrase originates as a rejection of Proverbs 13:24 which reads:
"He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Sure, beating your children with a rod is a sure sign of parental love.

2) what biblical verse-- if any-- do fundies quote to "prove" that god's pro-life / anti-abortion
This verse is most common:

Exodus 21:22-23
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."

If two men fight and cause a woman to miscarry, but do not hurt her, then the one who hurt her shall pay her husband an amount determined by the judges. Only if the woman dies is the punishment to be death. Apparently, then, with respect to abortion, God is pro-choice since he considers a woman's life to be more important that that of the fetus.


Hosea 13:16
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

Because the Samaritans chose to worship another deity, God promises to dash their infants to pieces and their "women with child shall be ripped up."

(Commentary courtesy of SAB (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible).)

[Abdul Alhazred]

Thou shalt not kill, but need not strive
excessively to keep alive.
-- Ambrose Bierce

[Kopji]

Yeats: "Hudibras"
Love is a boy by poets styl'd;
Then spare the rod, and spoil the child.

[epepke]

Originally posted by bpesta22
Hey, two questions:

1) is the phrase spare the rod spoil the child in the bible?

"Spare the child and spoil the rod.
I have not sold myself to God."
-- Patti Smith.

2) what biblical verse-- if any-- do fundies quote to "prove" that god's pro-life / anti-abortion

There are several, none particularly relevant to abortion.

There's the bit in Job 18: (For from my youth he was brought up with me, as with a father, and I have guided her from my mother's womb;)

From Luke 1: For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

There are a few others, similarly weak.

The only clear referent is from Exodus 21: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

[ceo_esq]

Here's a link to some scriptural references relevant to pro-life issues:

http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles/--scripture_sanctity_biblestudy.htm

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by epepke

"Spare the child and spoil the rod.
I have not sold myself to God."
-- Patti Smith.


I love it. Who is Patti Smith? I want more.