So if there is no God...

[Riddick]

Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

[Yahweh]

Probably because one's worldviews do not dictate his morality, and its utterly ignorant to believe "absence of God" is equivalent to "rejection of morals" (or furthermore a celebration of immorality).

Atheists do not feel compelled to kill in the name of "worship of no god", and at last check there have been no atheist Crusades...

[Gregory]

Would you be terribly offended if I told you not to be stupid? We have to consider how our actions will be viewed by the native Muslims. Telling the Muslims there is no God wouldn't be enough; we'd have to convince them of it.

edited to add: I'm talking to Riddick, not Yahweh.

[cbish]

Riddick wrote:
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.



:confused: What the hell are you talking about?

Cause......cause....hmmmm. Oh yeah, they have to be just like us! I get it! By killing them, we're helping them. Just like the crusades!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by cbish
Riddick wrote:


:confused: What the hell are you talking about?

Cause......cause....hmmmm. Oh yeah, they have to be just like us! I get it! By killing them, we're helping them. Just like the crusades!
Kindly stick to the Atheist viewpoint.

Your dislike of Christians has been noted, but clearly observe we're not talking about Christians in this thread.

I'll assume I don't have to repeat that.

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Riddick
We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.
Where the hell did you get that idea?

[Gregory]

Originally posted by Riddick
We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

Out of curiosity, did you check this "atheist viewpoint" with any actual atheists? I can't speak for others, but my "atheist viewpoint" is that since we only have one life to live, we should kill only with the most extreme reluctance.

[cbish]

Riddick,
I don't have a dislike for christians. I have a dislike for bad logic. Like this:
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

and this one:

enter and kill all since there is no God.

Really? I'm lost. Help me out here. What's your point?

I could speculate. Are you suggesting that without god there cannot be any morality, any distinction from right/wrong? That we might as well since there's "no purpose".

The floor is yours

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?"We" as in "the United States"?
Because the world has pretty much agreed that killing non-combatants is a bad thing, and so if we did, bad things would happen to us.


"We" as in "you and I"?
Because I think they'd defend themselves and kill me back. And I don't know you well enough to fight side-by-side with you.


"We" as in "the atheists"?
I don't know; you'll have to ask them.


Or did you have another group in mind when you used the word "we"?

[Silicon]

If there's no god, why do we suffer people like Riddick?

Can't we just ignore him, since there are no cosmic consequences?



Riddick, God's existence isn't why we kill or don't kill people.


It's more moral to be good if you think there are no cosmic consequences.


So atheists are de-facto more moral than believers EVEN if they live the exact same way!

[Lord Emsworth]

Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?



What is "our cause?"



All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.



The only point I have to drive home with them is the I don't believe in Allah.



Kindly stick to the Atheist viewpoint.


I don't think he (I assume) has to defend the straw man for Atheism that you have in mind.



Your dislike of Christians has been noted, but clearly observe we're not talking about Christians in this thread.

I'll assume I don't have to repeat that.

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.


Only because you think it should, doesn't mean it is.


Check your premises.

[ReasonableDoubt]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade ...
That is an embarrassingly stupid question.

[Quester_X]

Morality is not determined solely by belief in God. I am an athiest, but I treat others as I would like to be treated. As Gregory said, we only get one life. It is everyone's desire to have a happy and peaceful life. In order for this to happen, society makes a pact or social contract that everyone agrees to abide by in order for there to be peace. I don't harm others, because then they are less inclined to harm me. It seems like a fair bargin to me. Religion doesn't even have to be a factor.

[The idea]

Originally posted by Gregory
We have to consider how our actions will be viewed by the native Muslims.
How can you distinguish between a real native Muslim and a Persian Zoroastrian who is pretending to be a native Muslim?

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

Loaded question.

If there is a God, why don't we invade every mosque in Iraq, and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

Oh yeah, CHRISTIANS ALREADY TRIED THAT ONCE! :rolleyes:

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Riddick

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

Since you seem to understand the atheist viewpoint better than atheists, show us how that figures.

[Riddick]

Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.

There is no God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of God. That is the idealistic Atheist viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Atheist.

[Lord Emsworth]

Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.

There is only one true God, our God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the existence of the one true God, our God. That is the idealistic Christian viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Christian.

[The idea]

Originally posted by Riddick
Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.

There is no God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of God. That is the idealistic Atheist viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Atheist.
Riddick, the horse you are riding is out of breath. I suggest a dismount.

To one who doubts or disbelieves promises of religion, the existence of people who do believe in some religion and who act on those beliefs is sobering, staggering, shocking, frightening, bewildering, or amusing. In any case, it is noted and observed.

Have you heard of identity theft? Someone pretends to be you, obtains fresh identification from the government authorities, and obtains credit cards in your name. Do you think there are a lot of people trying to steal Salman Rushdie's identity?

[Regnad Kcin]

Wow. Man. Okay. Erm. Whew.

[Riddick]

Don't turn this away from the Atheist viewpoint. That is what's under scrutiny at this time.

There's no God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Atheist

[Lord Emsworth]

Don't turn this away from the Christian viewpoint. That is what's under scrutiny at this time.

There's only one true God, our God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Christian

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Riddick


We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

No, it does not follow that we should kill all Muslims if there is no God any more than it would follow that we should kill all Christians, or Buddhists, ot Hindus or any other religion. Crusades against the infidel are a religious thing. Atheism is not a religion. It would make no more sense for me to kill everyone who beleives in God than it would for me to kill everyone who beleives in Bigfoot.

[Gregory]

Originally posted by Riddick
Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.

There is no God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of God. That is the idealistic Atheist viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Atheist.

The only person who's said that is you, Riddick. Most people are not so immoral that they descend into depravity when the threat of divine punishment is removed. It's obvious that you are, but don't paint us with that same brush.

Riddick, you claim to be scrutanizing the atheist view-point, but from the way you ignore every one of the atheists who have explained it, you are clearly not interested in scrutanizing anything.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Riddick
Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.All the more reason to stay away.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.I thought you said there was gunfire coming from them. Are you bulletproof? I don't think I am.

There is no God, hence no retribution.And also no afterlife. This is our one shot at existence. I'm not going to waste it by doing something suicidal.


Let me couch your argument in Christian terms:

"Look, we know for a fact there's gunfire coming from the mosque's.

We simply surround the mosque's, invade and take the life of those inside.

There is one God, Jehovah, and his only begotten son Jesus, hence a rewarding afterlife for those who believe in Jesus. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of Allah, and how Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Light. That is the idealistic Christian viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Christian."

(Lord Emsworth almost had it right, except he left in the "no retribution" part.)



Sure is easy to assume the other side's suicidal, isn't it?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Beleth
(Lord Emsworth almost had it right, except he left in the "no retribution" part.)



You accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour, and your sins are forgiven

[Beleth]

I personally try not to kill people, especially if there's another food source available.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Riddick
There is no God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of God. That is the idealistic Atheist viewpoint.

Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Atheist.

I would point out your error, but it's already been brought up, and you don't care for an answer as much as you want to parade a burning strawman around.

Carry on, but don't expect us to clap.

[Yahweh]

In the best interests, I would say let this thread die.

Congratulations, Ridd*ck, you've trolled in your due attention for this thread.

I would urge the other folks here not to respond to any more posts in this thread. Ridd*ck knows full and well he's trolling and his "atheist viewpoint" is the rod and reel.

Feeding the trolls is fun, but this thread agonizingly unfunny...

[Wrath of the Swarm]

Consider, folks, that Riddick's comments haven't actually broken any of the forum rules. He can't be banned for trolling.

I think this is the best evidence yet that the rules simply aren't working.

[Quester_X]

Isn't there an obvious flaw in this line of thinking, Riddick? If atheists actually did believe what you say we do, wouldn't we be acting on those beliefs? When was the last time you read about an atheist group massacring a religious organization? I'm hoping that you will at least consider this message, since I'm new here and don't hold any grudges towards you. Please reconsider your position.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Gregory


The only person who's said that is you, Riddick. Most people are not so immoral that they descend into depravity when the threat of divine punishment is removed. It's obvious that you are, but don't paint us with that same brush.


If there were a god, why would he want the most horrible, awful people to brown nose their way into heaven by having hearts full of evil but follow the rules and get into heaven on a technicality?

That's my take on it, anyway.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
Consider, folks, that Riddick's comments haven't actually broken any of the forum rules. He can't be banned for trolling.

I think this is the best evidence yet that the rules simply aren't working.
The board doesnt moderate opinions (unless illegal, libelous, etc. etc.).

Riddick is obviously trolling, and if he keeps up he'll be spamming.

I think the rules are fine, even if Riddick has found a way to skirt the boundary between posting and trolling.

Not a flaw in the rules, not a flaw in the folks who post, just pushing the limits of the allowable. I'll leave it up to the other folks to allow this thread to die, not feed the troll, and remain civil. Until then, I wont feed troll appetite in this thread.

[Wrath of the Swarm]

Is he a troll or not?

If he's a troll, he's not "pushing the boundary": he's gone past it. If not, why not feed his honest yet utterly disgusting threads?

[cbish]

Wrath wrote:
Is he a troll or not?

You know, from the first post you have to conclude this. I was hoping to stimulate some dialogue from Riddick but I was afraid it would come to this.

I'll give it one last try before I go watch hockey.

Riddick; I'm going to attempt to increase the intellegtual standing of your first post. (I'll cast. you 'll reel in!;)

Riddick wrote:
Don't turn this away from the Atheist viewpoint. That is what's under scrutiny at this time.

I don't know what you mean, please elaborate.

There's no God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Atheist

Again, please elaborate. Where did you get this??

The clock is running. Speak soon and clearly.

What is your point? Are you suggesting that without God, there is no morality, distinction between right/wrong and does it matter in a godless world without bounds??

[scribble]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?


Er - that wouldn't be right.


All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

Yeah. Sure. :rolleyes:

You must know some really compelling argument to think anyone could prove there's no God. I couldn't prove it.

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

It's economically detrimental to carry out a war that has no place when the Iraqis are doing their thing and we're doing ours. It's a total astronomical loss of manpower, firepower, tax dollars, and individual life to carry out such a cause. It is impractical and sours business/financial/social relations between countries and even established allies. It is a show of force when none is needed, it is in indication of barbarism in a world that treasures civility.

Now, my question is: why is the Fundie Christian Riddick so fixated on killing people? He's threatened to kill some JREF members in one twisted post in the past, he's asked about an atheist in a foxhole who is about to die, and now he's asking about more killing of non christians. Such a curious thing, to be so focused on death of others.

[Max560]

Originally posted by Riddick
Don't turn this away from the Atheist viewpoint. That is what's under scrutiny at this time.

There's no God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Atheist

What is under scrutiny at this time is your weak grasp of atheism.

What is under scrutiny is your feeble command of logic, and your use of strawman tactics.

Honestly, you should learn how to construct a proper arguement and raise your posting standards.

You are trying to establish a point, but you are doing it so poorly that you are making yourself look silly.

Try harder.

[fishbob]

So if there is no God...
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?
That repetitive church attendance has just made Rid cranky. He would be better off to stop his futile believering and go take a pill or something.

There's no God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Atheist 1) Incomplete sentence. The mosque's what?

2) Many people and groups of people just go do what they wanted to anyway and try to justify it later. Rid's church must be a scary place.

[evildave]

Isn't this whole topic basically another candidate for WinAce's web site?

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/index.htm

After all, it's not like our Fundy President 'Dubya' isn't having people killed and tortured and raped for lofty reasons, such as preventing people being killed and tortured and raped.

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Abu+Ghraib&btnG=Search

[Dragon]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
Consider, folks, that Riddick's comments haven't actually broken any of the forum rules. He can't be banned for trolling.

I think this is the best evidence yet that the rules simply aren't working. Oh, but they are! How do you think Riddick appears to any reasonable, thinking person? (a category which includes most of the Christians and Muslims of my acquaintance).
Here, Riddick, have some more rope ...

[Irish Murdoch]

Originally posted by Riddick


There is no God, hence no retribution. We can go in there and school those guys about the non-existence of God. That is the idealistic Atheist viewpoint.


"Hence no retribution"? Oh, I see, you're only moral because there will be retribution if you're immoral? Well, you see that's not how it works for us atheists. We think that the wrongness of an act comes apart from its tendency to bring about retribution, and that its wrongness is sufficient reason for us not to do it.

And anyway, the atheist will presumably only think there is no divine retribution. I think it really rather likely there would be human retribution. But please note that I, an atheist, would still think this the wrong thing to do even if there were no retribution at all. You see, in order for me to act well, I don't need the idea of a cosmic Mum or Dad who'll punish me if I don't.

[epepke]

Originally posted by Riddick

Kindly stick to the Atheist viewpoint.

Your dislike of Christians has been noted, but clearly observe we're not talking about Christians in this thread.

I'll assume I don't have to repeat that.

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

No. We're talking about the view of atheists from one person (you), and you project assumptions that only make sense to sociopaths onto atheists who are not sociopaths, and I wonder where those sociopathic ideas come from?

[wollery]

I think it should be remembered that we are talking about Riddick. A man (?) who has threatened to kill one poster on this forum and by his own admission has served time for beating up an officer of the law. Not to mention his bare faced (and inconsistent) lying about his waterskiing acheivements.

Good morals there then!
:jaw:

[C.J.]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?


Let me suggest something: U.S. forces are not entering mosques to ferret out gunmen because the Iraqis believe that the mosques are hallowed ground, and any such attack would enrage Iraqis who would otherwise support (or at least tolerate) American presence in their country.

The entirety of the U.S. Armed Forces and government could be atheist (or Christian or Jewish or Wiccan) and it wouldn't matter in the slightest; it would be a terrible tactical move because of the effect it would have on Iraqis.

C.J.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by Riddick
All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

This kind of education needs to be taught not only to Muslims, but to Christians too. These two idiotic religions - with their egotistical belief in Tribal Gods - are hell-bent on taking over the world to please their god. This is not a good situation.

[ca3799]

Well, using your reasoning, since there IS a god, why don't we just kill them all and let god sort them out.

[sackett]

Originally posted by wollery
[B] . . . we are talking about Riddick . . . who has threatened to kill one poster on this forum and by his own admission has served time for beating up an officer of the law. . . . /B]

Well, let's say that RedDick has ~cyber-threatened ~ to snuff somebody, and has ~boasted~ that he once beat up a copper.

*hasn't got a chance.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

You don't have to have religion to have morals.
I certainly feel that your advice would be the path that the Xian faith has tried in the past, it didn't seem to work too well.
I think we should ship wheat and text books.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Riddick



We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

Maybe the only reason you have morals is because you fear god, some of us have morals because we feel that they are the easier path.

What you have done is mistake your blood soaked religion for atheism. Atheism is a belief that there is no god, it doesn't drive people to kill.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Wrath of the Swarm
Consider, folks, that Riddick's comments haven't actually broken any of the forum rules. He can't be banned for trolling.

I think this is the best evidence yet that the rules simply aren't working.

The point is that you can chose to point out his follish thoughts or ignore him, without the trolls there would be no board.
If it wasn't for the 'atheists have no morals' posters the R&P forum would slowly die.

Riddick thinks he is original....

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by Silicon
If there's no god, why do we suffer people like Riddick?

Can't we just ignore him, since there are no cosmic consequences?



Riddick, God's existence isn't why we kill or don't kill people.


It's more moral to be good if you think there are no cosmic consequences.


So atheists are de-facto more moral than believers EVEN if they live the exact same way!

This is exactly true...and I'm only a soft-agnostic and not an atheist.

Think about it...atheists who live moral lives are actually more selfless and MORE MORAL THAN CHRISTIANS....why? Because they're doing it because it's right,...not because they'll get a big house next to Jeebus.

-z

[An Infinite Ocean]

Originally posted by Riddick
Be done with that mess over there. Go into the mosque's, do the necessary killin, then we can all leave that place. Thus said the Atheist.
Which atheist?

The atheist that speaks to you inside your head, when you're all alone?

Seek help.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by An Infinite Ocean

Which atheist?

The atheist that speaks to you inside your head, when you're all alone?

No, Riddick is simply another Christian who gets his ideas on "what atheists believe" from reading Chick Tracts.

Actually, though, there are some people who espouse Riddick's tactics.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
--Ann Coulter (http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter091301.shtml)

[hgc]

Originally posted by Riddick

Kindly stick to the Atheist viewpoint.

Your dislike of Christians has been noted, but clearly observe we're not talking about Christians in this thread.

I'll assume I don't have to repeat that.

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God. This is Riddick sticking to the stupid motherf&cker viewpoint.

[gnome]

Originally posted by Riddick
Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

There is something fundamentally dishonest about asking a question, and then refusing to entertain answers. Every time someone addressed the question, you say no, atheists should just kill them because there is no God.

If you weren't truly looking for information, and just wanted to tell us what atheists think, don't bother phrasing it as a question. Make your point and move on.

[billydkid]

Originally posted by Riddick
Don't turn this away from the Atheist viewpoint. That is what's under scrutiny at this time.

There's no God, go in and kill them in the mosque's --- the Atheist

WTF are you talking about? I am so confused I can't even tell which position you are promoting. I can't tell if you are extremely stupid or trying to be funny. How about "There is a God and he hates their God so we should go into the mosques and kill all of them in order to please our God." In fact, I guess, that sort of is Dubya's approach now that I think of it.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep

No, it does not follow that we should kill all Muslims if there is no God any more than it would follow that we should kill all Christians, or Buddhists, ot Hindus or any other religion. Crusades against the infidel are a religious thing. Atheism is not a religion. It would make no more sense for me to kill everyone who beleives in God than it would for me to kill everyone who beleives in Bigfoot. Yeah, but what he's saying is what does religion have to do with anything if there is no God?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Yeah, but what he's saying is what does religion have to do with anything if there is no God?
I don't believe that's what Riddick is saying. I think what he's saying is that only belief in God keeps us moral, and that is what most of us disagree with.

But to answer your question, religion has a lot to do with everything. Regardless of whether or not I subscribe to your belief system, I still have to account for your beliefs. Though I don't believe in Islam, I can be outraged by people who would desecrate their holy symbols, and even by those who would use their own religion as an excuse for violence.

We live in a religious world, and anybody with any sense will deal with the world as it is, not as the world as it "should be". Respecting others, even if you disagree with them, is the key to living in peace.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Tricky

I don't believe that's what Riddick is saying. I think what he's saying is that only belief in God keeps us moral, and that is what most of us disagree with.

But to answer your question, religion has a lot to do with everything. Regardless of whether or not I subscribe to your belief system, I still have to account for your beliefs. Though I don't believe in Islam, I can be outraged by people who would desecrate their holy symbols, and even by those who would use their own religion as an excuse for violence.

We live in a religious world, and anybody with any sense will deal with the world as it is, not as the world as it "should be". Respecting others, even if you disagree with them, is the key to living in peace. What are you on the flip-side here? Sounds very noble of you. :D However, it's just as easy to poke fun at someone else's beliefs now isn't it? But then again, I have to admit there's a lot of hypocracy inherent with religion. And yet the same thing holds true with those who practice the law and politics ... ???

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Iacchus
What are you on the flip-side here? Sounds very noble of you. :D
Yep. My friends call me "Argon" because I'm a noble gas. :D

Originally posted by Iacchus
However, it's just as easy to poke fun at someone else's beliefs now isn't it?

Sometimes it is easier than others. My goal is to have a set of beliefs that it is very difficult to poke fun at.

But of course, discussing beliefs is what this forum is all about. Humor and sarcasm are legitimate tools for this sort of discussion. I invite you to employ them against my beliefs. I'm very difficult to offend.

Originally posted by Iacchus
But then again, I have to admit there's a lot of hypocrisy inherent with religion. And yet the same thing holds true with those who practice the law and politics ... ???

Yes, hydrogen and hypocrisy are universal. (Einstein said "stupidity", but he wasn't as alliterative and assonant as I.) I freely admit I am hypocritical about some things, especially politics, hard as I try not to be. But among religious people, as among atheists, there are those very hypocritical and those less hypocritical. My opinion is that Riddick falls into the former category and you into the latter. None of us fall into the "zero hypocrisy" category.

[Hand Bent Spoon]

Yes. Randi, good atheist that he is, has used the phrase 'enter and kill all' many times in his commentaries.

Being an agnostic, I use the term 'enter and kill some' instead, but its the godlessness that counts, right?

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Riddick

Kindly stick to the Atheist viewpoint.

Your dislike of Christians has been noted, but clearly observe we're not talking about Christians in this thread.

I'll assume I don't have to repeat that.

We're talking about the Atheist viewpoint, which should be enter and kill all since there is no God.

No more than the idea that, without a god (and his commandments) then there's no ethical reason not to go around killing and stealing.


You wanna hear an outrageous statement I'll make? Here it is:

The Western world has spent the past few hundred years turning Christianity into "just another harmless lifestyle choice". This needs to continue on to other religions on a worldly scale.


Was just watching "1600 house" last night (along the same lines as 1900 house, WWII house, etc.) As a colony in the new world, there was a law that you had to attend church 2 times every Sunday, for three hours each time!.

This was the scarlet letter days, and they had a lot more letters than just "A". The worst, evidently, was "B" for Blasphemer. Penalties besides permanent wearing of the letter included being in the stock for 2 hours a day (mild) up to and including execution.


Thanks, and good riddance, and spread the modern love around the world as fast as possible!

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Riddick Why don't we just invade every mosque in Iraq and do whatever killing we need to further our cause?

All we have to tell the muslims is, is that there is no God.

Surely we can drive this point home with them.

Simple answer, because to do so would be against our Morals.