Ed Schultz rules!

[Sundog]

Just wanted to make the point.

Ed Schultz rules. (http://www.wegoted.com)

That is all.

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Sundog
Just wanted to make the point.

Ed Schultz rules. (http://www.wegoted.com)

That is all.

I've never heard him. What exactly is it that he 'rules'?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog
Just wanted to make the point.

Ed Schultz rules. (http://www.wegoted.com)

That is all.

No.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Sundog
Just wanted to make the point.

Ed Schultz rules. (http://www.wegoted.com)

That is all. Bombastic AM host 'Big Eddie' Schultz blasts away at Bush as the leading voice in liberals' nascent national radio counteroffensive

Interesting.. When/where can I catch Bush's show?

Does he, like, do a liberal parody or something?

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


No.

Heh. A 64-oz Porterhouse is headed your way. ;)

Ed Schultz is our Liberal Doomsday Machine. FINALLY someone who can stand toe-to-toe with Rush and blast him out of the ballpark.

I get him on XM but he's on a lot of AM stations and coming to a lot more.

You should hear all these good old boys call and say "Y'know Ed, I never thought about it that way before, but you're right." Does the heart good.

[Skeptical Greg]

I think Rush is a clown.... It's sad to think that anyone still takes him seriously..:(

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Sundog
FINALLY someone who can stand toe-to-toe with Rush and blast him out of the ballpark.


I never much liked Rush personally, but credit given where due. Still, when he actually DOES stand toe-to-toe with Rush, let me know. Like I said, I never heard of the guy.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog


Heh. A 64-oz Porterhouse is headed your way. ;)

Ed Schultz is our Liberal Doomsday Machine. FINALLY someone who can stand toe-to-toe with Rush and blast him out of the ballpark.

I get him on XM but he's on a lot of AM stations and coming to a lot more.

You should hear all these good old boys call and say "Y'know Ed, I never thought about it that way before, but you're right." Does the heart good.

Sweet! I'm especially impressed since I never told you my address. :)

Well if he rules because he is like Rush but reverse on the issues, that's not really ruling much. I suppose we could have a competition on who's the loudest political pundit. That's sure to get ratings, might actually be fun.

PS In response to your signature: you can't get little bit pregnant.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Rob Lister


I never much liked Rush personally, but credit given where due. Still, when he actually DOES stand toe-to-toe with Rush, let me know. Like I said, I never heard of the guy.

Fair enough.

But hang onto your hat.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Sweet! I'm especially impressed since I never told you my address. :)

Well if he rules because he is like Rush but reverse on the issues, that's not really ruling much. I suppose we could have a competition on who's the loudest political pundit. That's sure to get ratings, might actually be fun.

PS In response to your signature: you can't get little bit pregnant.

When I say he can stand toe-to-toe with Rush, I mean he's a guy that all these middle-American beer-drinkin' gun-totin' guys can actually RELATE to. I love Al Franken but I can't picture Bubba listening to him.

In other words he can compete for Rush's audience.

Ed is NOT like Rush in any other way. Just listen.

And regarding my sig line, yes, glad you got it. Or are on the way to getting it, at least.

[Tony]

Is he on your local AM dial in your part of Texas Sundog? I've never heard of him and I don't think he's on here in H-town.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Tony
Is he on your local AM dial in your part of Texas Sundog? I've never heard of him and I don't think he's on here in H-town.

No Tony, but let me take this opportunity to apologize for snapping at you the other day, I've been testy lately.

I get him on XM. I think you might like him, really I do. You'd definitely find some points of agreement, just as you and I sometimes do.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Sundog


No Tony, but let me take this opportunity to apologize for snapping at you the other day, I've been testy lately.


I've smoked since then, you'll have to remind me what you're apologizing for.

I get him on XM. I think you might like him, really I do. You'd definitely find some points of agreement, just as you and I sometimes do.

I don't have XM yet :( . But when I get it, I'll be sure to check him out.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog


When I say he can stand toe-to-toe with Rush, I mean he's a guy that all these middle-American beer-drinkin' gun-totin' guys can actually RELATE to. I love Al Franken but I can't picture Bubba listening to him.

In other words he can compete for Rush's audience.

Ed is NOT like Rush in any other way. Just listen.

And regarding my sig line, yes, glad you got it. Or are on the way to getting it, at least.

Well I will try to give him a listen as I do not have XM (don't see radio being good enough to pay a monthly fee for just yet) I'll check out the segments he has on the website you provided. So far however he does not seem to "rule."

On the other issue, I hate censorship don't see why I would need to "get it" seems like I already do.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Well I will try to give him a listen as I do not have XM (don't see radio being good enough to pay a monthly fee for just yet) I'll check out the segments he has on the website you provided. So far however he does not seem to "rule."

On the other issue, I hate censorship don't see why I would need to "get it" seems like I already do.

It's an old saw. Of course you can't be a little bit pregnant; that's the joke, because neither can you be a little bit censored.

Thanks for checking him out. He grows on you. Or at least he did with me.

[crimresearch]

Unless, there are TWO Ed Schultz on air personalities, he is a *right* wing Rush Limbaugh wanna-be from Norfolk Virginia, with no discernable message other than shock-jock entertainment value.

It would be hilarious if he actually had re-invented himself as a liberal from North Dakota, and people were dumb enough to fall for it, but I doubt if even the most rabid party loyalists would be that naive.

Oh wait a minute,,wasn't that the plot of some old Ronald Reagan movie? Entertainer switches sides as a politician, and gives the performance of his life as the demagogue opposing everything he had embraced a week earlier?

Or was that real life too?

Paul

[Sundog]

Originally posted by crimresearch
Unless, there are TWO Ed Schultz on air personalities, he is a *right* wing Rush Limbaugh wanna-be from Norfolk Virginia, with no discernable message other than shock-jock entertainment value.

It would be hilarious if he actually had re-invented himself as a liberal from North Dakota, and people were dumb enough to fall for it, but I doubt if even the most rabid party loyalists would be that naive.

Oh wait a minute,,wasn't that the plot of some old Ronald Reagan movie? Entertainer switches sides as a politician, and gives the performance of his life as the demagogue opposing everything he had embraced a week earlier?

Or was that real life too?

Paul

Scoff all you like. Yes, it's the same guy, but he's seen the light.

(Edited to remove gratuitous insult)

Some of the true lefties don't like him because he used to be conservative. I say, just listen to the guy.

[corplinx]

I thought Al Franken on Air America was supposed to stand toe to toe with rush?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
It's an old saw. Of course you can't be a little bit pregnant; that's the joke, because neither can you be a little bit censored.

Thanks for checking him out. He grows on you. Or at least he did with me. Can you detail any of this censorship? BTW, I don't accept your thesis. As someone who has fanatically stood up for both first amendment rights and free expression (they are not always the same) I can say I understand the situation. The first Amendment protects individuals from the government. However I think we as individuals should prize the free-flow of ideas and ensure that expression is not stifled overzealous groups. That is why I went to see Maplethorp, "Stop The Church", spoke out for Laura Schlesinger and Larry Elder.

There are clearly times when censorship or limiting speech is warranted i.e. yelling fire in a crowded building, employees sharing proprietary information or hurting the companies image for the later. These certainly constitute "a little censorship". The problem becomes trying to decide where exactly do you draw the line. I thought the laws concerning ownership of exploitive child pornography (anal and vaginal penetration of pree-teens) should be illegal the ACLU did not. (See California AB 101 circa 1991). As disgusting as I found them, I thought abortion protestors should have free speech rights in front of clinics, the ACLU did not.

I would really appreciate it if you could expand on your sig. I find it overly simplistic and naive.

I know that this is off topic and if you would like I could start another thread. I was just responding to you.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by corplinx
I thought Al Franken on Air America was supposed to stand toe to toe with rush?

Read the whole thread, yo.

He can and does. But there's a whole lotta truck-drivin' deer-huntin' types that just aren't going to listen to Al Franken.

And, Ed Schultz isn't tied to Air America, which seems to have some, shall we say, management problems.

I'm not prepared to speak for Franken, he does a fine job by himself.

I will say this: The difference with liberal talk radio is FACTS. Real, verifiable, written-down facts. Liberals read, unlike neocons.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by RandFan


I know that this is off topic and if you would like I could start another thread. I was just responding to you.

Thanks for derailing the thread. I have dismissed you as a person with whom it is constructive to hold conversations, so you'll understand if I decline your offer. I couldn't care less what you think of my opinions any more.

[RandFan]

I wonder if you have been watching Dennis Miller of late? When he first started his show I thought it was awful. Now it is the only thing I schedule myself around. It comes on 6:00 pm pacific daylight time. I think he is really good and he is an example of a liberal who has become conservative and supports the war and George W. Bush.

I like you Sundog, I really do but I think you assume that left leaning ideology is somehow superior to right leaning ideology and that if those on the right would only open their minds they would find the truth just like woo-woos who study science with an open mind will often find the truth.

One more thing. I would not recomend you posting to this forum if you are so easily offended as you have been in the past. When you tell people that they are wrong they are going to respond and sometimes they are going to respond forcefully. Some of us doen't like to be treated like we are children who haven't figured out the truth.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by RandFan

I like you Sundog, I really do but I think you assume that left leaning ideology is somehow superior to right leaning ideology and that if those on the right would only open their minds they would find the truth just like woo-woos who study science with an open mind will often find the truth.

Bingo.

If you don't like my threads, you are invited to avoid them. And I thank you for your concern, but I will continue saying just exactly what I damned please.

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Sundog


Some of the true lefties don't like him because he used to be conservative. I say, just listen to the guy.

I for one don't mind. We need some more liberals with that firy, direct approach. Glad to see we have one of them on our side now, getting the message out.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
Thanks for derailing the thread. I have dismissed you as a person with whom it is constructive to hold conversations, so you'll understand if I decline your offer. I couldn't care less what you think of my opinions any more. Well that is unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear that. I know that you are very thin skined. I would ask you why you think that you as opposed to me are constructive to hold conversations with but I guess you won't answer. I will say that you are very opinionated and get upset when you are challanged. I whish someone would tell me how I am any different? BTW, unlike many of the people who are on this forum I will admit when I am wrong. I am also someone who will apologize.

Ignore me if you must but I am going to respond to you. I would recomend you putting me on your ignore list.

I hope the best for you I really do. I have no hard feelings and I'm sorry you do.

RandFan.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
Bingo. Wow, I hadn't expected that admission. Thank you.

If you don't like my threads, you are invited to avoid them. And I thank you for your concern, but I will continue saying just exactly what I damned please. On the contrary, I like your threads and will be involved. I promise to not take the thread off topic. However, if you make a point that is off topic (as you did regarding your sig) then I think that it is appropriate to respond to that point. BTW, I offered to start a new thread.

RandFan

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog
I will say this: The difference with liberal talk radio is FACTS. Real, verifiable, written-down facts. Liberals read, unlike neocons.

May I suggest Larry Elder (http://www.larryelder.com/) as a conservative (he claims to be a libertarian) who speaks on subjects and uses facts to back himself up. I understand he can also be found on XM radio so if you never listened to him do give him a try. At the very least he brings up some good points that one may not have considered before.

[RandFan]

RandFan

I like you Sundog, I really do but I think you assume that left leaning ideology is somehow superior to right leaning ideology and that if those on the right would only open their minds they would find the truth just like woo-woos who study science with an open mind will often find the truth.

Sundog
Bingo. Those who think they know the truth are the least likely to find it. The difference between you and I is that you know the truth and I'm skeptical. I question everything.

If you were wrong about something how could you possibly find out?

Sorry, I'll hope soemone else can answer for you.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by Renfield


I for one don't mind. We need some more liberals with that firy, direct approach. Glad to see we have one of them on our side now, getting the message out.

Kewl. Please educate me. What message does a liberal have not covered by "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog


Bingo.

If you don't like my threads, you are invited to avoid them. And I thank you for your concern, but I will continue saying just exactly what I damned please.

I'm sorry, but I do not mean to derail your thread either but I do feel this is somewhat related to the subject. Which of the left-leaning ideologies are superior to right leaning? I ask partly because I want to know which ideology you consider left and which you consider right (aside of course from the obvious ones.)

[Sundog]

Originally posted by RandFan
Wow, I hadn't expected that admission. Thank you.

On the contrary, I like your threads and will be involved. I promise to not take the thread off topic. However, if you make a point that is off topic (as you did regarding your sig) then I think that it is appropriate to respond to that point. BTW, I offered to start a new thread.

RandFan

At some point in the future I may feel differently. Right now I am so VERY angry at the terrible position you righties have placed us in that I really can't discuss it unemotionally. When we get you out of power maybe I'll calm down.

Or maybe not. Join Skinny in the "Sundog's an overemotional jerk" line if you like. But don't go all superior on me regarding being emotional, you rant and rave far more than I do.

Now do you have something on topic to say?

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


May I suggest Larry Elder (http://www.larryelder.com/) as a conservative (he claims to be a libertarian) who speaks on subjects and uses facts to back himself up. I understand he can also be found on XM radio so if you never listened to him do give him a try. At the very least he brings up some good points that one may not have considered before.

Thank you, after such a polite request I shall make it a point to do so.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
I will say this: The difference with liberal talk radio is FACTS. Real, verifiable, written-down facts. Liberals read, unlike neocons. How would you know? This is a specious argument. I would ask you to prove your claim but you won't respond to me so I will ask if anyone else who can prove your claim.

BTW, Rush Limbaugh presents lots of facts and he is really quite smart and he has read allot. I disagree with him often and he makes a lot of bad arguments and gets things wrong but I have heard Liberal commentators make poor arguments and get the facts wrong. I can't begin to list the times that I have yelled at the radio because some Liberal radio personality screwed something up.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I'm sorry, but I do not mean to derail your thread either but I do feel this is somewhat related to the subject. Which of the left-leaning ideologies are superior to right leaning? I ask partly because I want to know which ideology you consider left and which you consider right (aside of course from the obvious ones.)

Sure thing. I consider true, Pat Buchanan-type conservatism an honorable and intelligent position. I consider the NeoCons an abomination, as do true conservatives. I do not necessarily line up behind any leftist philosophy other than NeoCons Are Evil, which is plenty for this election year.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
At some point in the future I may feel differently. Right now I am so VERY angry at the terrible position you righties have placed us in that I really can't discuss it unemotionally. When we get you out of power maybe I'll calm down. I don't know who us righties are. The right is not monolithic. I'm against the influence of the religious right, the erosion into civil liberties and I support the right of a woman to choose, for the ending of the drug war and for legalization of prostitution. If that makes me a righty then so be it.

Or maybe not. Join Skinny in the "Sundog's an overemotional jerk" line if you like. But don't go all superior on me regarding being emotional, you rant and rave far more than I do. I'm trying hard, I really am. I don't claim any moral superiority and I regularly admit my failings. In the fire Rumsfeld thread I have not lashed out or acted emotionally.

Now do you have something on topic to say? I'm willing to listen to Ed Shultz and I will listen to him with an objective mind if you will listen to Larry Elder with an open mind?

[Sundog]

Originally posted by RandFan

I'm willing to listen to Ed Shultz and I will listen to him with an objective mind if you will listen to Larry Elder with an open mind?

You've got a deal.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Sundog
You've got a deal. Cool, you can listen to Dennis Miller if you prefer.

I'm in Souther California, does anyone know when and what station Ed Shultz is on.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by RandFan
Cool, you can listen to Dennis Miller if you prefer.



Don't push it. :p

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Sundog


Sure thing. I consider true, Pat Buchanan-type conservatism an honorable and intelligent position. I consider the NeoCons an abomination, as do true conservatives. I do not necessarily line up behind any leftist philosophy other than NeoCons Are Evil, which is plenty for this election year.

I do not consider myself lefty or righty. I try to approach each subject open-minded and draw the best conclusions I can based on the facts I am presented with. As such, my position on the subject can and sometimes does change if the facts that are presented contradict or trump those on which I previously based my conclusion. I do not think that following blindly a group that leans either way politically is a good idea.

I do not like to be classified as part of any group or ideology, but I suspect many on this forum would put me on the right.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by RandFan
Cool, you can listen to Dennis Miller if you prefer.

I'm in Souther California, does anyone know when and what station Ed Shultz is on.

Although I have not tested it, the website that Sundog provides in the opening post provides a link to listen to the show on the net.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Although I have not tested it, the website that Sundog provides in the opening post provides a link to listen to the show on the net.

You may like him, you may not. But I'd almost be willing to bet money that you'll be entertained.

And I WILL listen to Larry Elder, I promise, and not just one show.

[RandFan]

Well,

He is interesting I'll give you that.

Well, maybe not exactly the left. Schultz, 49, has voted for only one Democrat that he can recall, a local congressman. He's opposed to abortion in all circumstances. He considers Buchanan a friend. Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, he says, gives him "the willies."

He's prone to say things like: "I'd like to see the president get all the illegals out of the country, so we can start all over again."
And yet, thanks to that bologna sandwich, Schultz considers himself "a guntoting, meat-eating leftie."

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Grammatron
Although I have not tested it, the website that Sundog provides in the opening post provides a link to listen to the show on the net. It looks like I just missed the show. I'll try tomorrow.

[gnome]

Originally posted by hammegk


Kewl. Please educate me. What message does a liberal have not covered by "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

You must be short on education if you don't know the difference between a liberal and a communist.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by RandFan
It looks like I just missed the show. I'll try tomorrow. My math sucks. I didn't miss the show but the link returns an error message.

Windows Media Player cannot connect to the server hosting the content you want to play.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by RandFan
My math sucks. I didn't miss the show but the link returns an error message.

Windows Media Player cannot connect to the server hosting the content you want to play.

I think you did miss the show since 3-6pm ET is 12-3 pm PST.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by gnome


You must be short on education if you don't know the difference between a liberal and a communist.

Actually, you are wrong about the education, but correct about me being unable to discern any meaningful distinction between the purest Marxism imaginable, and US "liberals" cerca 2004.

[gnome]

Originally posted by hammegk


Actually, you are wrong about the education, but correct about me being unable to discern any meaningful distinction between the purest Marxism imaginable, and US "liberals" cerca 2004.

That just shows that you're not paying attention or finding out, and instead choosing to believe what you think liberals are.

Or, you know damn well the difference between them but find it useful to smear them with the term. Can you come up with a name-calling that's more original than yelling "commie"?

[gnome]

Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove you're serious.

Name three significant differences that a liberal would point out to distinguish themselves from a communist, and state your argument why that distinction is false.

If you don't know the arguments of your opponents, you don't know whether they're right or wrong.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by Renfield
We need some more liberals with that firy, direct approach. Glad to see we have one of them on our side now, getting the message out. I can recommend Bernie Ward and Ray Taliaferro, both heard on 810 KGO - San Francisco.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by gnome
Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove you're serious.

Yes, I know that you and other liberals have faith that human nature has changed for the better, that good and evil do not exist, that the lion will lay down with the lamb, yadda-yadda-yadda.

I have faith in things like, political power comes from the barrel of a gun, power corrupts, and good and evil actually are real existents.


If you don't know the arguments of your opponents, you don't know whether they're right or wrong.

Sophistry using unfounded premises is your only useful tool.

[gnome]

Originally posted by hammegk

Sophistry using unfounded premises is your only useful tool.


Blah, blah, blah. I'm giving you a perfectly good opportunity to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about and you're blowing it off. This proves to me you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're intentionally distorting the truth because you know that your inflammatory comments will resonate, but if you actually argue it, you'll lose.

Either way you're full of bull, and I think you just demonstrated it.

[hammegk]

Bunkie, if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004, good for you.

Too bad those premises are worthless crap. Note that you had a great opportunity to name a couple things that indisputably separate the ideals of each system. Rather than providing real data, all you chose to do was pule & whine about my stupidity & lack of education. Feel free to go bite a big one, and also provide someone else a "perfectly good opportunity".


Just my nsho, of course. Enough of this from me, here, now. :(

[gnome]

Originally posted by hammegk
Bunkie, if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004, good for you.

Too bad those premises are worthless crap. Note that you had a great opportunity to name a couple things that indisputably separate the ideals of each system. Rather than providing real data, all you chose to do was pule & whine about my stupidity & lack of education. Feel free to go bite a big one, and also provide someone else a "perfectly good opportunity".


Just my nsho, of course. Enough of this from me, here, now. :(

I refuse to start an argument from the beginning that has been fought before plenty of times. The slur that liberals are communists is nothing new. If you want to renew that argument, you should at least be familiar with the backround of the issue.

I shouldn't have to provide data on what liberals are like--you claim to already know about them. Lay it out, and let the readers be the judge if you really have any idea of what liberalism is about.

[Tony]

Originally posted by gnome

The slur that liberals are communists is nothing new.



Communists do challenge the status quo. Wouldn't that make them liberal by your own definition?

[hammegk]

Originally posted by hammegk
.... if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004 ... please share just one (1) of them, and we can discuss your basis for believing in the truth-value of that premise.


Can't think of even 1 thing can you?

[gnome]

Originally posted by hammegk
please share just one (1) of them, and we can discuss your basis for believing in the truth-value of that premise.


Can't think of even 1 thing can you?

Of course I can. The first thing that differs betwen liberals and communists is the BASIS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNIST PHILOSOPHY.

Liberals are not "lassiez-faire" capitalists, but they are capitalists nonetheless. While some boundaries are needed, the basic principles of Adam Smith are still at the core of a healthy economy. Working without it is a planning nightmare and usually leads to oppressive restrictions on individual freedom. Liberals know this cannot be done successfully or morally.

Want more?

[gnome]

Originally posted by Tony



Communists do challenge the status quo. Wouldn't that make them liberal by your own definition?

No. Liberals challenge the status quo, but favor change within the system. Communism advocates tearing down the system and replacing it, placing it in the "Radical" corner.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by gnome


No. Liberals challenge the status quo, but favor change within the system. Communism advocates tearing down the system and replacing it, placing it in the "Radical" corner.

True.

However, there are some systems that are in the radical corner that aren't like that.

Anarcho-Syndicalism comes to mind.

Change from the inside out, not the outside in.

[Nasarius]

Originally posted by Theodore Kurita


True.

However, there are some systems that are in the radical corner that aren't like that.

Anarcho-Syndicalism comes to mind.

Change from the inside out, not the outside in.

There are degrees of liberalism and radicalism of course, as there are degrees of everything. To say that liberal = communist is like saying conservative = fascist. It's just stupid.

[shecky]

It's nice to hear contrarian entertainers on the AM dial once in a while. The right-wing fascist blowhard is a pretty saturated market, so it's nice to hear a communist once in a while. Really helps if they can deliver a punch line.

Larry Elder is interesting in that he's a walking talking man-bites-dog story. But his show is SOOOO boring. The man is absolutely humorless.

The most fascinating shows I've ever heard were from a guy named William Cooper, on some obscure shortwave station. The guy was a raving paranoid delusional right wing gun nut tax protester whacko. Boy, he could spin some wild yarns! He was killed in a gunfight a few years back after shooting a sheriff deputy. He probably thought they were U.N./IRS goons come to take his guns and soverignty. In fact the cops were there to arrest him since he was generally a drunken prick and had assaulted someone.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Tony



Communists do challenge the status quo. Wouldn't that make them liberal by your own definition?

I hate it when you people are PURPOSELY stupid just to be offensive. By that definition Bush is the most successful communist in many years.

Why do you little boys insist on the name-calling rather than engage in serious debate?

Oh, never mind, it's a rhetorical question, when will I learn that it's useless...

[hammegk]

Originally posted by Nasarius


There are degrees of liberalism and radicalism of course, as there are degrees of everything. To say that liberal = communist is like saying conservative = fascist. It's just stupid.

So true. For the average Joe trying to survive as a valued member of his society, could he tell any real difference in day-to-day affairs if his "leaders" were communists or fascists?

And when black and white do not exist -- everything is just some shade of gray -- intellect seems to arrive at whatever conclusion it deems best.

I will try to catch Ed Schultz, but I think he's pulling your leg about being a 2004 pc-lib.