Man punches woman over playstation

[Valkyrie144]

disturbing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crlNOMGfBBg

[Ryokan]

I was planning to make a joke about not touching a man's Playstation, but not after actually seeing the video.. What an ass hole.

[Valkyrie144]

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

[sgtbaker]

Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids!

[Ryokan]

Did she hit him?

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

[ponderingturtle]

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong.

[sgtbaker]

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.

[Valkyrie144]

I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera.

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible

[sgtbaker]

I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera.

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible

I hate to come into her defense because she did slap him first but he was physically intimidating her. I watched him expanding his elbows while he was stepping up to her and it looks like he poked her in the chest right before her first attempt to slap him. She tried to push him out of her face and then landed a slap. Call it sexist but he was bullying her and she responded. That's how it looked on the video.

[Carnivore]

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

[Belz...]

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

I don't know. He's twice her size, though. If someone hits me, I might be tempted to hit back, but damn, man, there's not much she can do to you. Chill.

[Professor Yaffle]

He was definitely physically intimidating her before she did anything - kicking at the TV and getting right into her personal space.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids!

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.

From this, a new holiday will be born...A Festivus for the Rest of Us!!!

[fuelair]

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

This.

[bluesjnr]

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.

She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision!

[Silly Green Monkey]

And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug.

[bluesjnr]

And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug.

Where did you see this happen?

[Babbylonian]

He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact.

[NoahFence]

Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong.

That's exactly right.

[Spyke]

*********** **********..right in front of the kids too. The sounds of those poor kids..

Damn why did I watch that? I'm furious now. Big tough guy pounding his woman.

I have to get away from this thread. This sort of thing opens doors to stuff that I hoped I had under control.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

DONT EVER HIT WOMEN. NOT EVER.

Men are fair game, though.

[Checkmite]

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.


Actually, he did when he kicked the TV right next to her. It's pretty blatant that her "slap" was an attempt to fend him off when he started crowding her aggressively.

[bluesjnr]

He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact.

It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history.

She is aggressive from the start

Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor"

Him - "No I didn't"

Daughter - "He didn't"

Him - "Thank you Eileen"

Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go"

She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better

He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.

[WildCat]

I wonder why they were filming it...
So they could be famous!

They're the stars of their trailer park now.

[Safe-Keeper]

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible Agree to a degree. You should be able to solve conflicts without violence, and once you start something it might escalate. Goes for both males and females. Then again, I have no idea why she slapped him in the first place. Might as well have been an attempt to calm him down by intimidation.

DONT EVER HIT WOMEN. NOT EVER. Okay, since it's Women's Day I'm going to let that one pass.

[sgtbaker]

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.

She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision!

The reason why 'hindsight is 20/20,' rings so true is because people tend to live in the moment. When tempers flare, you arent always thinking 20 steps ahead. That's why fights escalate, most of the time, over stupid things. You get tunnel vision, lose sight of what's important, and it becomes about winning.

I gave it a test by imagining that was a smaller man instead of a woman and I think it's just as appauling. The only difference would be, I suspect a lot of people here, who've experienced bullying and intimidation like that, would commend the little guy for attempting to defend himself. There's already a hypersensitivity to the issue of male and female expectations (understandably so) but this situation appears to be more about disproportions than female vs male.

[Aepervius]

Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position.

Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum.

[bookitty]

It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history.

She is aggressive from the start

Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor"

Him - "No I didn't"

Daughter - "He didn't"

Him - "Thank you Eileen"

Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go"

She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better

He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.

I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option.

The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression.

[Ixion]

This video makes me physically ill.

[Information Analyst]

I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option.

The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression.

It does look like it's the day he's come to collect all his stuff, but more fool both of them for not having anyone else there. When my brother's ex-wife came round to collect her stuff, I was there with him and our mother, and she arrived with a couple of her friends. It was frosty, but nothing kicked off (she used to physically attack him a lot when they were together, but being very "old school" he just stood there and took it).

[bookitty]

Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position.

Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum.

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

[Aepervius]

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage.

[bookitty]

I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage.

So a 100 pound person who makes a half-hearted slap toward someone's face is as culpable as the 200 pound person who responds by breaking their nose? Sort of the same way a person who shoplifts a candy bar is as guilty as someone who robs a bank?

[TubbaBlubba]

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned.

[bookitty]

Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned.

You know I hear this a lot but I don't agree. The average woman is about 5'4" to the 5'9" of the average guy. That's a lot more upper body strength and a build that is better suited to using it. I'm nearly 5'10" and I wouldn't get into the ring with a 5'4" guy who was pissed off at me, even if we were the same level of amateur.

I've also dragged/carried/otherwise-escorted women my size or smaller from the bar who fought the whole way. Aside from a few missing pieces of hair and the occasional small bruise, I've been none the worse for wear. On the very few occasions when the bouncer couldn't deal with the smaller guy, I've gotten hurt. (A sprained shoulder, black eye and sucker-punch to the gut that left me gasping.)

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

[Xulld]

Bookitty. Culpability, and guilt have nothing to do with capability. The severity of punishment however can.

On the capability front, I have taught women self defense classes, technique is far more important than size. In fact size can be used against you.

In this video you have two people who are both equally guilty, equally culpable, and equally stupid. However the severity of punishment should be related to the severity of damages.

This is true on all legal fronts here in the US. The outcomes are often biased, but the law itself does not make such distinctions for guilt and culpability. The act is what dictates those facets of law.

[TubbaBlubba]

You know I hear this a lot but I don't agree. The average woman is about 5'4" to the 5'9" of the average guy. That's a lot more upper body strength and a build that is better suited to using it. I'm nearly 5'10" and I wouldn't get into the ring with a 5'4" guy who was pissed off at me, even if we were the same level of amateur.

I've also dragged/carried/otherwise-escorted women my size or smaller from the bar who fought the whole way. Aside from a few missing pieces of hair and the occasional small bruise, I've been none the worse for wear. On the very few occasions when the bouncer couldn't deal with the smaller guy, I've gotten hurt. (A sprained shoulder, black eye and sucker-punch to the gut that left me gasping.)

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

I understand what you are saying but it's beside the point. Even a pretty small woman is strong enough to seriously injure a guy, especially if he isn't prepared for it and is not an aggressive person.

[Belz...]

He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man.

No, he's more of a scum because he can probably kill her if he's not careful, and he wasn't careful.

[lionking]

The man is scum. Pushing or even slapping does not justify a punch. Court beckons.

[Safe-Keeper]

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength. That's pretty transparent, isn't it? If it's size and body strength is really what counts, you'd be far better off just saying that you shouldn't hit those smaller than you and leave gender out of the discussion entirely.

[Belz...]

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

In fact, even smaller men tend to be stronger.

Bookitty. Culpability, and guilt have nothing to do with capability.

No but with great power comes great responsibility. I must've heard that in a movie, somewhere.

[bookitty]

I understand what you are saying but it's beside the point. Even a pretty small woman is strong enough to seriously injure a guy, especially if he isn't prepared for it and is not an aggressive person.

I have guy friends who fit this description and I'm very glad that none of them have ever had a relationship which turned violent. A lot of the women I dragged out of bars were tossed because they initiated physical contact during a bar-argument. Nobody, ever, ever, ever deserves to get slapped in the face because someone else is insecure. Those women need severe counseling and I freely admit that I was often tempted to provide some.

But I have never seen a woman throw a man 5 feet into a wall, need 3 people to pull her off him, break an arm by twisting or knock someone out. I have seen men do those things. They are not all men, they are not the majority of men, this is not the natural state of men. It might even be that the few men who do these things do them because they have a physical advantage and haven't learned better ways of dealing with things. If women who are prone to violence have a similar physical advantage, they will do the same damage. Most of the time, they do not have that advantage.

If you and I were to engage in enraged fisticuffs, you would probably win. And we could probably sell tickets. ;)

[Xulld]

But I have never seen a woman throw a man 5 feet into a wall I have. A Judo roll throw can use leverage to do just that. In fact Ippon Seoinage is more effective against a larger attacker.


Again technique trumps size every day all day.

Not that any of this has any bearing on a couple hitting each other over physical possessions. The fact remains that human beings have the capability to great harm, both large and small humans.

Choosing to strike someone is not something to be defended.

[Belz...]

Again technique trumps size every day all day.

There's a reason they have weight categories in sports, you know.

[Xulld]

There's a reason they have weight categories in sports, you know.

I do. Are you saying that a person who weighs 100 lbs less than another is incapable of causing harm to the other?

Of course not, and that is why my point is rational.

The lesson to be learned here is that striking people never deescalates the situation and when two people strike each other its a fight regardless of the weight of each person in the fight.

The actual damage incurred, and whether a person was defending themselves can be mitigating to the punishment.

ps Belz... ever see Royce Gracie fight people with +100 ilbs and win decisively? What do you think happened there? Technique happened.

[TubbaBlubba]

I have guy friends who fit this description and I'm very glad that none of them have ever had a relationship which turned violent. A lot of the women I dragged out of bars were tossed because they initiated physical contact during a bar-argument. Nobody, ever, ever, ever deserves to get slapped in the face because someone else is insecure. Those women need severe counseling and I freely admit that I was often tempted to provide some.

But I have never seen a woman throw a man 5 feet into a wall, need 3 people to pull her off him, break an arm by twisting or knock someone out. I have seen men do those things. They are not all men, they are not the majority of men, this is not the natural state of men. It might even be that the few men who do these things do them because they have a physical advantage and haven't learned better ways of dealing with things. If women who are prone to violence have a similar physical advantage, they will do the same damage. Most of the time, they do not have that advantage.

If you and I were to engage in enraged fisticuffs, you would probably win. And we could probably sell tickets. ;)

Yeah but in the end it doesn't really matter if you want to hurt someone. OK, I'm a 6'2'' man. Let's say a 5'5'' woman wants to injure me. What'll she do? Probably pick something heavy up and hit me over the head. What can I do? Not much. Even if she does not there are still ways she can seriously injure me. She can poke my eyes. She can give me a jaw hook - At the right angle, that'll give me a concussion unless I have a well-trained neck. She can hit my solar plexus. She can kick the back of my knees. And so on.

Size is only a significant advantage under particular constraints - no weapons, being prepared for it, being prepared or inclined to fight back, and so on.

What most women can't do is overpower most men the way most men can overpower most women. This probably has a psychological effect you can't really get any other way. But if a woman wants to seriously hurt a man, she absolutely can. People are really, really fragile. The other disadvantage women have, is as you mention that it's usually easy for bystanders to seize or incapacitate them.

[Moon-Spinner]

WTH, the immaturity level displayed in the video is ridiculous.

Aaagh, I can think of anything else to say....

[The Central Scrutinizer]

so they could be famous!

They're the stars of their trailer park now.

JER-REE!! JER-REE!!! JER-REE!!!

this

[Mehdimentio]

How/why was this recorded?

[Redtail]

I just feel bad for the kids.

[Kahalachan]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/Klark/domesticabusecopy.jpg

I'm only making fun cause I'm pretty sure this is staged.

If they left the camera on by accident, why would either of them upload it online? All the "action" is conveniently right in the middle where it should be. Where's the 20 minutes of nothing going on before all this happened?

With youtube having a partnership program where tons of views = money, then yeah looks like this is one of those get lots of views type vids.

I'd stage something like this to get $1,000.


If it's real, then shame on them both for acting like that in front of kids. He was too rough. A slap for a slap is fair. Not a punch for a slap. I got slapped before by an ex and I dumped a drink onto her head. I look back and chuckle and don't feel guilty that I lost my cool or was violent.

[Mehdimentio]

[qimg]If they left the camera on by accident, why would either of them upload it online? All the "action" is conveniently right in the middle where it should be. Where's the 20 minutes of nothing going on before all this happened?
Well, if that were the case, it would be reasonable to suppose that the uploader cut off the less interesting parts from the original video before posting it to YouTube.

[Halfcentaur]

I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.

I think it's clear this issue was not about a playstation, the playstation was just being used as an excuse, it could have easily been any number of things which was being used to fuel the altercation, and if you want to get pedantic this was over the television by the time they came to blows.

The headlines which are focusing on this being over a playstation are just baiting people to roll their eyes over someone doing something radical over something materialistic that is considered frivolous. But that is only a symptom of the actual problem being filmed.

I think this headline makes the issue seem like it's yet another example of people doing stupid things for material belongings, ala the Tickle Me Elmo and other Black Friday stampedes and department store violence.

There's no need to complicate the issue of domestic violence and abuse over what we all like to think is people being stupid about toys.

[Kahalachan]

Well, if that were the case, it would be reasonable to suppose that the uploader cut off the less interesting parts from the original video before posting it to YouTube.

Well yeah that's understandable. And 20 minutes is too much. But it's like the vid was a minute long and everything happened in 50 seconds. Just about every other shocking vid about a cop being overly aggressive or someone being violent has a fair amount of stuff happening beforehand to give it context.

The guy immediately knew where the camera was and seemed to calmly shut it off. Not being filmed was his priority immediately afterwards but here it is online.

Like I said earlier, my main concern about this vid is them using bad language around the kids cause I'm sure this is fake.

[fuelair]

It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history.

She is aggressive from the start

Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor"

Him - "No I didn't"

Daughter - "He didn't"

Him - "Thank you Eileen"

Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go"

She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better

He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.Putting this gently, the stand up to shouting not moving back is a frequent problem wih many students from varied backgrounds in school who seem incapable of recognizing when it is not a really good strategy.