How Was This Done?

[Navigator]

The Scene:

Two people, one an interviewer and the other, a person who picked the interviewer randomly from a phone book.
The two have already met for an initial interview. Although the interviewer was dubious, the interviewer’s curiosity was piqued enough from this initial meeting, to agree to a second interview.
There are only the two of them present, in the interviewers apartment, and the interviewer is recording the meeting on a tape recorder.

Excerpt From A Live Recorded Transcript

So tell me, can you teach me how to manifest things out of thin air?"

"Yes, but it would take some time--probably a few weeks or so."

"Can you show me some examples of how you do it?"

"How's this?"

"For purposes of those reading these transcripts. **** just made a ball of twine appear out of no where. He just made it disappear as well. Now it has reappeared again. This is incredible. He's not holding it, so it's not like a magician who's making this appear from his sleeve or from behind his hands somehow. It's quite literally appearing and disappearing on a table about three feet in front of him, which is about six feet away from me. I can see it all very clearly.

"I'm picking up the ball of string and it's definitely a physical object--not simply a mirage or--or hologram. It has all the normal properties--weight--texture--it's slightly warm to the touch, but in every other respect, it's exactly how I'd expect a ball of twine to feel.

"Can you make something else appear--something more complicated, like a million dollars in cash?"

"Yes."

"Okay, let's see it."

"You see this is the problem with these discoveries and capabilities. If I produced a million dollars in cash right now, you'd have a dilemma. What to do with a million dollars? Could you bear to see me make it disappear as easily as I make it appear?"

"Are you crazy? Since the first moment I met you, I've never believed in what you've said until now. And I'm not even saying I totally believe you even now, but I'm a hell of a lot closer. I--no, people in general, need to see things with our eyes. We need to believe in what our eyes tell us because they -- of all the senses -- seem to have a fix on reality. And you've finally shown me something that is tangible--that my eyes relate to. I'm just asking for one more confirmation of your abilities. I mean, a ball of string doesn't seem like such a huge deal--not that I'm not impressed. But if you could produce a million dollars in cash--now that's a huge deal."

"And the dilemma?"

: "Okay, I have a proposition for you. I'm going to need to quit my job for at least a few months to get this story out to the public and maybe even relocate or move underground somewhat. What if I kept just ten thousand dollars to help me through the next two months? Could that work for you?"

"Yes, I could do that."

"I'm now looking at a loose pile of $100 bills that appear to be perfect replicas. I'm touching them--again they feel slightly warm to the touch, but these would definitely pass as the real thing--wow--I can't believe it. But this can't be a million dollars, you only manifested $10,000 didn't you?"

"Yes, give or take a few hundred dollars."

Q: How was this ‘trick’ of manifesting a ball of string and a pile of money accomplished?

:) (http://www.agd.state.tx.us/education_office/images/pix_money.gif)

[davidhorman]

Not that I'm really expecting this to be the answer, but perhaps the "magician" hypnotised the interviewer at the first meeting, and now he's post-hypnotic-suggesting things to him with queue cards, or something.

David

[Navigator]

Originally posted by davidhorman
Not that I'm really expecting this to be the answer, but perhaps the "magician" hypnotised the interviewer at the first meeting, and now he's post-hypnotic-suggesting things to him with queue cards, or something.

David

Q: Can a person be hypnotised without their realising it?

The money was left with the interviewer, and the two got together on more occasions afterwards, to record what it was the 'magician' sort out the reporter for in the first place.

The clue I feel, is in the objects manifested being warm to the touch.

[davidhorman]

Originally posted by Navigator


Q: Can a person be hypnotised without their realising it?

Yes, unless TV has lied to me ;) I note you didn't say he wasn't hypnotised...

The clue I feel, is in the objects manifested being warm to the touch.

Do you know the answer?

David

[Navigator]

Greetings David

Yes, unless TV has lied to me I note you didn't say he wasn't hypnotised...

The thought did not occur to me.
I also knew that the Interviewer got to keep the money.
So since I failed to mention this, of course, your question needed to be asked.

Do you know the answer?

I know only the answer which the 'magician' gave the interviewer.

I was wondering if anyone has done this same 'trick', or weather the 'trick' could be purchased at a magic store.

Of course, if it really did happen, what would be the use of mere tricks?

Magic tricks are for entertainment and profit. A magician has to make the money appear from the pockets of those being entertained.

That is the only way a magician can manifest money from his/her tricks.

That is why magicians have secrets. Because if we all knew how it was done, they would have to find some other way of manifesting money.

And those who need entertaining, would have to find something else to spend their money on.

Entertaining a world which demands tricks and fakery is kinda shallow in many ways.

But highly entertaining. I wonder if such a Guild was created to keep individuals focused upon hocus pocus.

Then I wonder if this be so, then why?

In the long haul, tricks won't distract us forever.

In Love

[davidhorman]

I know only the answer which the 'magician' gave the interviewer.

Was that answer supernatural in nature?

Aside from hypnotism, there's another possibility. The magician gave the interviewer the $10,000 at the first meeting, as payment for his cooperation at the second (having first established that this guy would be willing to go along with his scam).

David

[Navigator]

Originally posted by davidhorman


Was that answer supernatural in nature?

Aside from hypnotism, there's another possibility. The magician gave the interviewer the $10,000 at the first meeting, as payment for his cooperation at the second (having first established that this guy would be willing to go along with his scam).

David


There is no such thing as 'supernature' - it's all relative.

The answer was given that it was posible to teach someone the same thing in a few weeks.

The answer to how it was done thus, wasn't explained in any detail through the transcripts.

There was no 'scam' but there was talk of an ultra secret science.

A technology.

From the transcript:

Interviewer: "Why do you refer to it as a technology? It seems to me that it's a mental thing. You weren't using anything other than your mind were you?"

Scientist: "It's a technology only from the standpoint of understanding the mental process. There's nothing electronic or mechanical if that's what you mean. But it's more than mind control.
It's really a belief in LERM and its unerringly perfect processes of creation -- moving quantum objects from non-space and non-time to the world of matter in our time and space. It's more closely related to faith than technology--as odd as that may sound."

Interviewer: "Actually, I was figuring that if Jesus and others who've walked the earth could do these things thousands of years ago, it must not have much to do with technology. But when you see it happen with your own eyes, you have a tendency to think there's some technology behind the scenes that's doing it. That it couldn't just be a natural power of humans--that doesn't seem possible to me for some reason."

Scientist: "I understand, but nonetheless, it's really a matter of perspective, and once you have the perspective on LERM and it becomes a fundamental construct of your belief system, it becomes amazingly easy to do this. It's a little like a sophisticated optical illusion based on a hologram that takes you several months of concentrating to see the picture that is subtly embedded, but the moment you see it, you can instantly see it the rest of your life without effort. That's how this operates. Some people can pick it up in a matter of a few days, others require hundreds of hours, but what everyone has in common is that once you get it, it becomes as natural as breathing."

Interviewer: "And you think you could teach me in a matter of a few weeks, when it took some of your colleagues -- with genius IQs, I might add -- hundreds of hours to learn the technique?"

Scientist: "It's not related to IQ. It's related to understanding and belief. The understanding comes from seeing the existence of LERM and understanding how it operates at its fundamental level. Whether you have an average intelligence or are a genius, it doesn't matter, so long as you understand and believe what you understand."

Interviewer: "So how do you get me to believe in LERM?"

Scientist: "You already do deep inside you. It's your conscious mind that rejects your deeper belief and understanding. So I would help you to consciously understand what you already know at a deeper level of your being. And I would do this by showing you LERM."

etc etc....

I was wondering really if anyone could shed a bit more light on it.

As far as two people conspiring to scam, it is just a story at face value...that could be the only scam, and that could have been writen by just one person.

So if there is no secular scientific explaination nor any illusionist explaination, then this means that either the story is just someone having a bit of fun with the old imagination.
Or it might be true, but unprovable.

I will find out exactly what LERM is sposed to signify.


It occurs to me that if this LERM stuff was real, then anyone who could do it wouldn't bother accepting Randi's challenge for the cool mil.

[Lavie Enrose]

Originally posted by Navigator
I will find out exactly what LERM is sposed to signify.

LERM TECHNOLOGY: Light Encoded Reality Matrix (http://www.nztravel.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/LERM%20Technology.html)

[Beancounter]

Why was the event tape recorded and not videoed? Is there not a possibility that, for what ever reason following the first interview, the interviewer was in on a scam.

E.g. The interviewee meets up with the interviewer and suggests that for $10,000 they are to go along with the scam (or less if some of the money finds its way back to the interviwer).

The second interview is then tape recorded and is scripted or the interviewee knows the part they have to play.

A bit mundane I know and maybe some of the facts rule out this option but, just a possibility.

[Navigator]

I have found more on this interview...prior to the display of producing matter out of thin air....



Scientist: "Quantum objects become increasingly granular or refined until they become pure light energy and cease to have mass. They are not of physical reality, but rather of a pure-state energy. This energy is further segmented into octaves of vibration. In other words, this light energy vibrates, and just like music, there are fundamentals and harmonics. The harmonics resonate with the fundamental energy vibration and the whole energy packet sings like a choir--except its voice is light.
This singing, if you will, is the equivalent of a consciousness that pervades all matter--every physical object in the entire universe..."

Interviewer: "This all-pervasive consciousness you mentioned, are you really talking about spirit or God?"

Scientist: "Exactly"

Interviewer: "Now you've really crossed over the line. You're going to tell me that ***** discovered God. That he has proof of God?"

Scientist: "Yes, in a way, but--but God isn't what we call it. It's LERM.
And ***** was quite emphatic that we never refer to LERM as God or even God-like. He preferred to think of LERM as the shadow of God. The light that casts the shadow, and the object of the shadow itself, he believes is impossible to prove through science or any other objective form of inquiry."

Interviewer: "Okay--okay. But listen to me for a minute. If LERM is the shadow of God, as you put it, then it proves the existence of God, right?"

Scientist: "To those of us within the ****** ******who understand the work of ******, the answer is yes

Interviewer: "So isn't this even more important than the ******I mean, if someone had proof of God, isn't it their moral responsibility to share this information with the public?"

Scientist: Perhaps, but the only way this could be shared with the public is to disclose who the ******** ***is, and that isn't something that ***** even likes to contemplate doing. He's afraid of the ridicule and misunderstanding that would result, and firmly believes that no one would believe him anyway because there are so many hidden technologies that led him to his findings, and he has no interest in disclosing these technologies to academia, government institutions, or the media. He'd become the next messiah--or devil, depending on your perspective."

Interviewer: "So he's trapped in his own secrecy?"

Scientist: "In a way, but he's not feeling trapped. He's simply so far removed from the social fabric and scientific communities of academia that he has, for practical purposes, burned his bridges and has no intention of ever crossing the chasm that separates himself from all that he's left behind." .......

Scientist:......."You see, if matter ultimately dissolves into octaves of light, and light dissolves into octaves of consciousness, and consciousness dissolves into octaves of reality, then matter, light, consciousness, and reality are all interdependent like an ecosystem. And like an ecosystem, if you change one element you affect the whole. Isolating any of the elements contained within LERM, and changing it, it can change reality..........Does that answer your question?"

[dharlow]

Who or what is the source for these transcripts?

[Navigator]

Originally posted by dharlow
Who or what is the source for these transcripts?

Oh...sorry - I will have to backtrack and get the link...later.

[Navigator]

later.... here it is hidden behind a friendly smile.
:) (http://wingmakers.com/neruda2.html)