Repent

[rcfieldz]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/24/11833663-underground-gay-group-emerges-shaking-evangelical-christian-college?lite

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Well, at least is not Evil Atheists! :eek:

[Bikewer]

Fascinating. I do wonder about the thought processes of gay Christians, especially of the more fundamentalist sort.
Sure, JC is supposed to love everyone, but his old man was kinda down on the whole gay thing.
Of course, we have the gay Republicans as well....

[Good Lt]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120402180636/theamazingworldofgumball/images/9/99/Luke_NOOOOOO.jpg

[AdMan]

Good for them.

It's too bad they need to be anonymous, but I can understand why.

[rcfieldz]

Good for them.

It's too bad they need to be anonymous, but I can understand why. One who quotes dead people...

[AdMan]

One who quotes dead people...


Your second post in your own thread and you're already off-topic.

[sgtbaker]

I can't help but wonder how strictly they enforce the "no sex before marriage" rule; if they are as strict with that as they are with homosexuality.

[CynicalSkeptic]

Good for them.

It's too bad they need to be anonymous, but I can understand why.

Yes,
Alexis Hughes, a biblical studies major, said the gay group’s anonymity is telling. "Obviously, if it's underground, they know it’s wrong and on some level they know they shouldn't be doing it"

[Helen]

Repent? But I haven't even pented yet!

[joobz]

http://www.pgestore.com/Febreze/febreze,default,sc.html?cm_mmc=PPC-IP-GGL-_-Febreze+Product-_-Febreze+Product+General-_-%2Bfebreze_mkwid_s63Rf8UE0_12773029504_b&gclid=CKvUoZbTmbACFQrf4Aod5F7-XQ

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This thread is gay.

[Foster Zygote]

One who quotes dead people...

Good point.

From now on, nobody quote anyone who died. Especially Jesus.

[joobz]

Good point.

From now on, nobody quote anyone who died. Especially Jesus.

I quote dead people

[Agatha]

Just when the OP's posts made no sense, they made even less sense than that!

rcfieldz, do you have a point which you are willing to discuss?

[Monketey Ghost]

This thread is gay.


You said it brother.

And now, so am I, just to make TS uncomfortable.

*kisses rcfieldz*

[Baloney]

Good point.

From now on, nobody quote anyone who died. Especially Jesus.

But haven't you heard? Jesus is UNdead!

[Gord_in_Toronto]

http://www.pgestore.com/Febreze/febreze,default,sc.html?cm_mmc=PPC-IP-GGL-_-Febreze+Product-_-Febreze+Product+General-_-%2Bfebreze_mkwid_s63Rf8UE0_12773029504_b&gclid=CKvUoZbTmbACFQrf4Aod5F7-XQ


That certainly helps clear the air. :cool:

[steve s]

"We want to bring to light the presence of the LGBTQ community at Biola."

Do they really need the 'Q' at the end? At the rate they're going there won't be any letters of the alphabet left.

Steve S

[I Ratant]

But haven't you heard? Jesus is UNdead!
.
But he's going after souls, not brains... there is no connection between the two.

[Nay_Sayer]

This thread is gay.

Quite jovial indeed. What am I repenting for?

[Resume]

I have not yet begun to pent.

[joedonjj]

To be fair, what would you expect a christian university's stance to be on homosexuality? I mean it is pretty clear in both the old and new testament that yahweh is not to fond of them there homersexules...

[Kid Eager]

To be fair, what would you expect a christian university's stance to be on homosexuality? I mean it is pretty clear in both the old and new testament that yahweh is not to fond of them there homersexules...

damn straight! (so to speak) - it gets in the way of breeding new worshippers.

[tsig]

damn straight! (so to speak) - it gets in the way of breeding new worshippers.

The priests don't like the competition.

[Moss]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/24/11833663-underground-gay-group-emerges-shaking-evangelical-christian-college?lite

I totally agree with you, those Christian bigots who oppress the homosexuals in their midst should repent.

[The Dark Lord]

Why would gay students even want to go to a school like this?

[Baloney]

Why would gay students even want to go to a school like this?
Or gay professors teach there?

[Moss]

Homosexuality and belief are mutually exclusive? Given the "choose and pick" attitude of most believers I hardly expect them to be.

[The Dark Lord]

Homosexuality and belief are mutually exclusive? Given the "choose and pick" attitude of most believers I hardly expect them to be.

You can be a gay Christian. Pretty much all Christians ignore parts of the bible they don't like.

But it doesn't make any sense to me why a gay person would go to a school that punishes people for being gay. I dunno, maybe their parents make them do it.

[Alareth]

Do they really need the 'Q' at the end? At the rate they're going there won't be any letters of the alphabet left.

Steve S

Once they have co-opted the entire alphabet the fundamentalists will no longer be able to use it to write hate filled screeds

[devnull]

i wonder why rcfieldz is so gay obsessed.

I mean, Im pretty hetero - and even I comfortably flirt with the coffee guy :)

What the hell is your problem man?

[tsig]

You can be a gay Christian. Pretty much all Christians ignore parts of the bible they don't like.

But it doesn't make any sense to me why a gay person would go to a school that punishes people for being gay. I dunno, maybe their parents make them do it.

Since you're supposed to love Jesus all Christian men are gay.

[pakeha]

I like the opening sentence, tying in this underground movement with the president of the United States.

And the vice president for student development at Biola, Mr Grace, had some priceless comments:
...the university would "love and welcome a conversation with them and that’s what we are hoping for."



"I guess you'd almost call that a myth that students would get expelled for that," Grace said. Instead, Biola offers students an "open-door policy" to talk about their struggles and receive spiritual counseling. ...

Read the charges, Cardinal!

[tsig]

i wonder why rcfieldz is so gay obsessed.

I mean, Im pretty hetero - and even I comfortably flirt with the coffee guy :)

What the hell is your problem man?

The love that dare not raise it's head.

[Moss]

The love that dare not raise it's head.

Fridge logic made me wonder what's up with the church being Christ's bride but most members are male...

[Montag451]

Would a Gay university need an underground Christian society? :)

[Nay_Sayer]

Any update on what I'm supposed to repent for?

[Moss]

Any update on what I'm supposed to repent for?

I suppose we can add "not repenting" to the top of that list of things to repent for and be done with that.

[cwalner]

You can be a gay Christian. Pretty much all Christians ignore parts of the bible they don't like.

But it doesn't make any sense to me why a gay person would go to a school that punishes people for being gay. I dunno, maybe their parents make them do it.

I can think of at least two reasonably likely scenarios.


As already noted, being gay and Christian are not mutually exclusive. These kids probably grew up in houses equally intollerant of gays and are just used to it to a degree. However, learning is a wonderful thing and after they got there, they learned that it didn't have to be that way, so formed the union.
They simply might not have come out to themselves until college. This may seem unlikely, but that was my experience. I grew up in a liberal family, but in a very conservative area. My childhood image of gays was essentially drag queens and I knew that wasn't me. It wasn't until I got out on my own in college, that I learned the truth about the diversity of the community and found somebody that I was strongly enough attracted to to break my repression. Fortunately for me, I was at a college that was not run by a church and so did not have to deal with the issues that the kids at Biola do.

[Ladewig]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/24/11833663-underground-gay-group-emerges-shaking-evangelical-christian-college?lite

May we ask you, in the future, to use the title or the opening post to explain exactly what the topic is?
A cryptic word and a blind link somewhat violates internet etiquette.

[Nay_Sayer]

I guess I can use this moment to coin a new term; RCFailz

[orlykthnxbai]

One of my favorite quotes from this:

"Obviously, if it's underground, they know it’s wrong and on some level they know they shouldn't be doing it"

Geee... A Roman official could have said that of a certain oddball "cult" known for meeting in the catacombs....

orlykthnxbai

[Uncle Otto]

One of my favorite quotes from this:

"Obviously, if it's underground, they know it’s wrong and on some level they know they shouldn't be doing it"

Geee... A Roman official could have said that of a certain oddball "cult" known for meeting in the catacombs....

orlykthnxbai

Here's the thing------the administration has flat out said that they would kick out anyone who is "living the lifestyle". In other words, you can be a gay student, but you just can't do anything about it. They say they want an open "dialogue" with these students-----what for? So they can either try to "fix" their gayness, or to identify those to line up for possible expulsion?

The bad part is that probably at least some of these students are there because that's where family/financial pressure put them.

[Baloney]

Geee... A Roman official could have said that of a certain oddball "cult" known for meeting in the catacombs....

Here's the thing------the administration has flat out said that they would kick out anyone who is "living the lifestyle". In other words, you can be a gay student, but you just can't do anything about it. They say they want an open "dialogue" with these students-----what for? So they can either try to "fix" their gayness, or to identify those to line up for possible expulsion?

At least, unlike with the Romans, they'll only get expelled (and given a proper Christian-side-beating).

[orlykthnxbai]

Here's the thing------the administration has flat out said that they would kick out anyone who is "living the lifestyle". In other words, you can be a gay student, but you just can't do anything about it. They say they want an open "dialogue" with these students-----what for? So they can either try to "fix" their gayness, or to identify those to line up for possible expulsion?

The bad part is that probably at least some of these students are there because that's where family/financial pressure put them.

As someone who quit church for Lent many years ago, I can tell you from experience that administrators (or other powers in the background) might just decide to expand "living the lifestyle" definition. I would be shocked if they didn't catch a few straight people up in the dragnet.

I can see some nice young lady getting dragged in for the "Inquisition PE(Protestant Edition)"(TM) for changing her own tire, or some young man with a drama / theater background in trouble because he knows one too many "Show Tunes".

Sounds messed up, but I've seen stupid things like that happen.

orlykthnxbai

(Currently an Atheist who figured out one does not have to be narrow to be straight)

[Kopji]

Situated in the heart of Southern California, Biola is just a short drive from beautiful beaches, world-renowned entertainment venues and a wealth of diverse cultural opportunities.
http://www.biola.edu/about/

Ah! sounds just like paradise.
A little about themselves:

The Bible, consisting of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, is the Word of God, a supernaturally given revelation from God Himself, concerning Himself, His being, nature, character, will and purposes; and concerning man, his nature, need and duty and destiny. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are without error or misstatement in their moral and spiritual teaching and record of historical facts. They are without error or defect of any kind...
http://www.biola.edu/about/doctrinal-statement/

So it's paradise and all that too.
But nothing really specific against homosexuality. (Maybe it went without saying.)

I can sorta understand why an atheist might want to join the Boy Scouts, but I would think that a school that holds Biola's doctrinal beliefs would deter someone who identified themselves as LGBT, (maybe they hoped so too).

I mean, why attend there? To be a gay student at Biola would be to lend support to a program that exists to disenfranchise you at every turn. You would have to lie to get in, and if you protested later that would be evidence you lacked Christian Truthiness. Even if you slipped by teh gayz firewall - protesting would only serve as a facade. Biola would enjoy the appearance that there is some kind of legitimate discussion of higher values going on - that Biola is perhaps open minded or progressive enough to accept dissent in their midst.

From their on line newsletter:

...While I do think we can all agree (for the most part at least) that open and honest dialogue is necessary to work through the difficult issues brought up by the BQU, the problem is that face to face conversations cannot safely happen for those who continue to identify as LGBTQ because of their fear of expulsion.

It's easy for those who are not LBGTQ to say that we should all talk openly and honestly, but the only way that can realistically happen is if Biola clearly changes their policy so the openly LGBTQ students will not face disciplinary actions for identifying as LGBTQ. This isn't an argument that Biola should change their policies, but just that open and honest dialogue cannot truly happen until those policies are changed. You can't ask people to be open and honest and then punish them for being open and honest.

http://chimes.biola.edu/story/2012/may/17/staff-editorial-biola-must-continue-challening-con/


Sure you can.

[Lamuella]

Why would gay students even want to go to a school like this?

A lot of times, parents are involved in school choice. A kid from a conservative christian family might not be able to say he or she wants to go to a big cosmopolitan school.

[Multivac]

Fascinating. I do wonder about the thought processes of gay Christians, especially of the more fundamentalist sort.
Sure, JC is supposed to love everyone, but his old man was kinda down on the whole gay thing.
Of course, we have the gay Republicans as well....

A friend of mine is a gay catholic, and we have had many discussions about his religions attitute to gays, but I still have no idea how he retains his faith.

[rcfieldz]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...

[joobz]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...
that's a bad touch.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...

Are they gay?

[Tricky]

I had two gay guys doing some interior decorating for me, but when they painted the walls, the paint they used had so much turpentine in it that it didn't even cover the old paint, so I confronted them and cried, "Repaint, you thinners!"

[I Ratant]

Not your best work.;)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not your best work.;)

You just have to read it in the voice of Daffy Duck.

[Baloney]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...

Actually, 1 Timothy 5:22 says "enough already with the hand-laying, people!"
22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

Also, nowhere in that book does it mentioning "curing gay."

I'm betting people were just as easy to fool back then:
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[Nay_Sayer]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...

I ask again, What am I repenting for?

[tsig]

I ask again, What am I repenting for?

Being human, it offends god something fierce.

[Baloney]

I ask again, What am I repenting for?

From the OP, I'd say he wants you to repent for gay. Also, I think he believes the same as these folks...

2agsAZcA3fU

[Minoosh]

I seriously don't know what Christian rule forbids gayness.

I could see sexual ethics tilting toward monogamous committed relationships - in other words, marriage, which would be a sticking point. However, in some Christian traditions civil approval isn't necessarily required for two people to form such a bond. Anyway I don't really know what the scriptural basis for the prohibition is, other than the Old Testament.

[keale]

I seriously don't know what Christian rule forbids gayness.

I could see sexual ethics tilting toward monogamous committed relationships - in other words, marriage, which would be a sticking point. However, in some Christian traditions civil approval isn't necessarily required for two people to form such a bond. Anyway I don't really know what the scriptural basis for the prohibition is, other than the Old Testament.


I think the closest thing is this

And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)

But nothing specific in the NT

[Baloney]

I think the closest thing is this

And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)

But nothing specific in the NT

Let's face it: if there was a real god like the one claimed in the Old Testament and New, and he wasn't a complete incompetent dumb****, -- oh, also, was actually intent on people NOT going to the Hell he created -- then I would think he would have explicitly said, "Hey, gay people shouldn't be married, or be gay at all, for that matter," just like he (allegedly) did for eating shellfish. But guess what: he didn't.

Either the Christian god doesn't exist, or he's a dumb****.

[Andrew Wiggin]

Fridge logic made me wonder what's up with the church being Christ's bride but most members are male...

Several sects have made it clear than while visualizing one's self in bed with jesus one should image one's self as a female to avoid the gay.

[Orphia Nay]

What does it accomplish to repent?

Repent? And then what?

[Nay_Sayer]

From the OP, I'd say he wants you to repent for gay. Also, I think he believes the same as these folks...

2agsAZcA3fU

I'm gay?.... Why am I always the last to find these things out?!:mad:

[Moss]

1 Timothy 5:22 . when the preacher touches the followers forehead with his palm and exclaims, "Heal The" and is caught falling backwards to the floor by fellow parishioners...

That still does not have any connections to this thread...

[orlykthnxbai]

At least, unlike with the Romans, they'll only get expelled (and given a proper Christian-side-beating).

Yeah.....and then after the beating(s), some will still mutter to themselves "But the church still loves me !"

I've seen that before..... :(

orlykthnxbai

[Olowkow]

Sexual Hypocrisy and the Religious Right - Max Blumenthal

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The above video is worth watching in my opinion.
It is almost a perfect storm. The party of family values, is revealed as the largest walk-in closet in America.Blumenthal captures very eloquently the connection between the religious right wing and their fear of the gay issues. I tend to think he is correct, or at least there is plenty of apparent confirmation of his claims recently. His explanation is enlightening, given the notion that one continually hears from fundamentalists that being gay is a choice...preference for evil, etc. in spite of overwhelming evidence from closeted gays among them.