Drudge Snitches on the Good Doctor

[subgenius]

http://drudgereport.com/flash3.htm

The closet hypocrite, has caused the censorship of Hunter Thompson's column.
Drudge has gone from being a organ of propaganda to an actual overt operative for the repressive agenda.
A scum bag glory hound of the lowest order.
The slimy weasel teacher's pet tattle tale all godless fearless normal boys and girls loathed and shunned in the third grade.

This is war, its personal now.

[RandFan]

Hunter S. Thomson

"Not even the foulest atrocities of Adolf Hitler ever shocked me so badly as these [Abu Ghraib] photographs did."Let's see.[list=1] Drudge didn't censor anyone.

Drudge reported something he found out. (gosh shucks, you mean people actually do that?)[/list=1]

That is not all, the photos were worse than, (the following is from A pictoral Archive of Nazi Depravity Inflicted on European Jews and other Victims of the Third Reich. (http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/) Please note that this is a partial list) [list=1]
Stripping naked women and children for the express purpose of degrading them before shooting them.

Men are forced to dig their own graves before being shot.

Shooting babies while they were in their mothers arms.

Nazi medical experiments.

Filling room after room with humans, young and old and gassing them to death.

Burning the bodies of the dead.[/list=1]

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust02.jpg

I'm pissed that the assinine remark was spunged. This is not really Drudge's fault. But damn, Thompson says something so a$$inine and you are mad at drudge?

The crimes commited at Abu Gahrib pale in comparison to the MILLIONS BUTCHERED, TORTURED, DEHUMANIZED, entire families snuffed out. Parents murdered in front of their children. Children murdered in front of their parents.

And you are mad at Drudge? It figures.

[RandFan]

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust05.jpg

Naked Jewish women, some of whom are holding infants, wait in a line before their execution by Ukrainian auxilliary police. Source: Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes, Warsaw, Poland.


http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust08.jpg

German police and Ukrainian collaborators in civilian clothes look on as Jewish women in Snaityn, Poland are forced to strip naked before their mass execution. Source: Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes, Warsaw, Poland.

Right, not nearly as bad!????

F**king moron.

[corplinx]

I give you an A in drama, congrats.

[RandFan]

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust11.jpg

A woman about to be executed in the Belzec concentration camp. Source: Prof. Leopold Pfefferberg-Page Collection, via the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes, Warsaw, Poland.

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/holocaust15.jpg

A mass grave at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. Source: National Archives, College Park, Maryland.

What was it that Hunter S. Thomson said?

Not even the foulest atrocities of Adolf Hitler ever shocked me so badly as these [Abu Ghraib] photographs did." Does he even know what the atrocities of Adolf Hitler were?

Drudge saved his a$$!

[RandFan]

I'm just waiting for someone, anyone to defend such a remark. I can't fathom equating the crimes of Adolf Hitler with Abu Garhib. But I'm sure that someone out there can.

[Matabiri]

Originally posted by RandFan
I'm just waiting for someone, anyone to defend such a remark. I can't fathom equating the crimes of Adolf Hitler with Abu Garhib. But I'm sure that someone out there can.

I'll give it a go, for devil's advocate's sake.

He wasn't equating the crimes of Hitler with Abu Ghraib, he was expressing how Abu Ghraib made him feel, along the lines of, "We might expect this from some foreign insane dictator, but I expect better from America and am profoundly shocked to discover otherwise."

Seeing someone you consider a "good" person kick someone else in the balls will upset your own sense of judgement and ethics more than hearing about someone you consider "bad" killing someone. It's closer to home.

Does that make sense?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Matabiri
I'll give it a go, for devil's advocate's sake.

He wasn't equating the crimes of Hitler with Abu Ghraib, he was expressing how Abu Ghraib made him feel, along the lines of, "We might expect this from some foreign insane dictator, but I expect better from America and am profoundly shocked to discover otherwise."

Seeing someone you consider a "good" person kick someone else in the balls will upset your own sense of judgement and ethics more than hearing about someone you consider "bad" killing someone. It's closer to home.

Does that make sense? Yes, I considered that possibility myself. However, Hitler's crimes were so numerous and so depraved that while one might feel more disturbed it is difficult to understand why one would go out of their way to voice those feelings. What purpose could it possibly serve? A person who would do so comes off as almost indifferent to the suffering of so many, including women and children, that it is difficult to comprehend the magnitude. The crimes commited at Abu Gahrib by American soldiers pale in comparison to Saddam's crimes. Saddam's crimes pale in comparison to Hitlers.

The comparison is simply irrational and while intentional or not it mimimizes the Holocaust in a way that is irresponsible. But then what is that when compared to Drudge reporting it? Bad, bad, evil Drudge.

Thank you,

RandFan

[Tony]

Originally posted by RandFan
I'm just waiting for someone, anyone to defend such a remark. I can't fathom equating the crimes of Adolf Hitler with Abu Garhib. But I'm sure that someone out there can.

The man is obviously a jew-hater. Think about it, millions of dead jews is morally better (to this guy) than a few naked arabs.

[aerocontrols]

You've lost me, Subby.

This post is one of your more bizarre ones.

[Lurker]

wow!

No shortage of idiots, eh?

Lurker

[Tmy]

Obviously the Arab pictures are worse. THey get censored from JREF!;)

[LFTKBS]

1) Thompson's quote was weird and I heartily disagree.

2) Sub's claim of censorship is false and I fail to see Drudge's complicity in it.

3) Matt Drudge is a homosexual, FYI. Just giving you the SCOOP!!!1!

[Matabiri]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
1) Thompson's quote was weird and I heartily disagree.

He's Hunter S. Thompson. His whole oeuvre is built on wild exaggeration to provoke an emotional response.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by aerocontrols
You've lost me, Subby.

This post is one of your more bizarre ones.
I agree.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Matabiri


He's Hunter S. Thompson. His whole oeuvre is built on wild exaggeration to provoke an emotional response.
And wild exaggeration is a huge understatement.

Who made Drudge the hall monitor?

[shanek]

Originally posted by subgenius
Who made Drudge the hall monitor?

According to your own link, all Drudge did was link to the story. ESPN, on their own, decided he went to far and pulled the story. So what's your beef with Drudge?

[subgenius]

Originally posted by shanek


According to your own link, all Drudge did was link to the story. ESPN, on their own, decided he went to far and pulled the story. So what's your beef with Drudge?
I don't like his hats.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by subgenius

I don't like his hats.

And he's gay.

[Vorticity]

I thought Isaac Asimov was "the Good Doctor". :confused:

[Zep]

And I should care a jot what either of them says because...???

[KelvinG]

Outrageous analogies such as the one made by Thompson don't help anyone.
The behaviour of American soldiers was disgusting, but come on. Comparing them to Hilter? That's just stupid.

[SezMe]

Originally posted by RandFan
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A person who would do so comes off as almost indifferent to the suffering of so many, including women and children, that it is difficult to comprehend the magnitude.

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I'm not here to defend Thompson, but to ask you a question about the above quote, which implies that the suffering of "women and children" is worse than the suffering of men. If you don't think so, then why cite these two groups? If you do think so, can you say why?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by RSSchlueter
I'm not here to defend Thompson, but to ask you a question about the above quote, which implies that the suffering of "women and children" is worse than the suffering of men. If you don't think so, then why cite these two groups? If you do think so, can you say why? Hi RS,

I actually thought about that point when I made it. I think the invocation of children especially has become trite in years past "think about the children" is now used derisively when we are talking about minor infractions about children. And to confess I have used that very statement though certainly not about anything serious and certainly not about murder or torture.

Excellent question. First let me say it has been awhile since I took or discussed the issue at the University. IIRC, for thousands of years humans have adapted or evolved with the instinct/feelings/desire, whatever, to protect women and children. Evolution dictates that species like humans can survive significant losses of males but not females and/or infants. A single male with dozens of females can insure a significant increase in population. The same simply cannot be said of the inverse. Also, if a significant portion of a generation is lost then the species may not survive. So there is perhaps a genetic or social reason that this might be perceived.

That being so, I am particularly bothered by the suffering of children to the point that it can render me unable to work or function normally. I have had to seek counseling in the past to learn to deal with it and of course avoid graphical news accounts. I'm not bothered by fictional violence as much.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that children suffer far worse than adults. Adults are far more likely to survive emotionally than children. I will try to google the data but I believe it was a UCLA study that showed that children were more likely to suffer long term harm from abuse.

I can't say the same about women but I am extra sensitive to domestic abuse and have volunteered my time to a local women's shelter.

I do not think that men necessarily suffer more than women. In fact there is data I believe that suggests that women perhaps can deal with some stresses of torture better than men. It simply bothers me more.

So, could this be equated to Thompson's feelings that he was bothered more for various reasons? As I said earlier, yes, I think it is possible. What I don't understand is why an individual would make the statement? It serves little purpose and is very likely to offend the survivors of millions of people who were tortured and murdered.

Thank you very much for the question. I very much look forward to your response.

[Marian]

"Not even the foulest atrocities of Adolf Hitler ever shocked me so badly as these [Abu Ghraib] photographs did."

Obviously as others have pointed out, this is an incredibly asinine statement.

That being said, I've seen people attempt to either justify or rationalize the abuses at Abu Ghraib by comparing them to the henious atrocities committed by Saddam, or by Hitler (or pick your own insane evil whack job).

It's small comfort to tell a woman who's been raped that c'mon, it's not THAT bad, considering many women attacked die. Or that she should be grateful the rapist wore a condom so she doesn't have to worry about AIDS.

That to me is the analogy of people attempting to justify or minimize what occurred at Abu Ghraib. No, it's not even close in comparison to genocide. Or mass murder. Or a dictator who puts people through a wood chipper or chops off people's hands and makes them pay the bill for it.

Comparing ourselves to the most evil scumbags who've graced the planet though, and chipping in 'it's not as bad as that', is disgusting. Frankly I don't want to see any comparison made to such vile acts. Especially since the point isn't to be 'just better than' or 'not as bad as' the most henious actions we can dredge from history.

As far as that comment goes, Drudge aside, the guy deserves all the backlash he'll get for making it. Whether he's just that stupid, or so fervent to make a point that he blinded himself, I don't know and don't care, either way they add up to what would be a terminal mistake for the careers of most people. Since he's of the Fourth Estate, I'm sure he'll win an award somewhere. :P

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Marian


Obviously as others have pointed out, this is an incredibly asinine statement.

That being said, I've seen people attempt to either justify or rationalize the abuses at Abu Ghraib by comparing them to the henious atrocities committed by Saddam, or by Hitler (or pick your own insane evil whack job).

It's small comfort to tell a woman who's been raped that c'mon, it's not THAT bad, considering many women attacked die. Or that she should be grateful the rapist wore a condom so she doesn't have to worry about AIDS.

That to me is the analogy of people attempting to justify or minimize what occurred at Abu Ghraib. No, it's not even close in comparison to genocide. Or mass murder. Or a dictator who puts people through a wood chipper or chops off people's hands and makes them pay the bill for it.

Comparing ourselves to the most evil scumbags who've graced the planet though, and chipping in 'it's not as bad as that', is disgusting. Frankly I don't want to see any comparison made to such vile acts. Especially since the point isn't to be 'just better than' or 'not as bad as' the most henious actions we can dredge from history.

As far as that comment goes, Drudge aside, the guy deserves all the backlash he'll get for making it. Whether he's just that stupid, or so fervent to make a point that he blinded himself, I don't know and don't care, either way they add up to what would be a terminal mistake for the careers of most people. Since he's of the Fourth Estate, I'm sure he'll win an award somewhere. :P Thanks Marian,

One more point, In another thread I asked "were the pictures necassary?" I meant of course was it necassary that they came out when they did considering that there was an ongoing investigation.

It would have been good if the picture of the Holocaust had been leaked. Perhaps it would have saved some lives.

Yes, and I for one will not justify or rationalize the crimes that were commited there.