Frontpage is a piece of %&(#^&@!!!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH HHH!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[CFLarsen]

I told you so.

[Tom Morris]

The fruits of knowledge present these simple rules...

How to make a website:

1. Learn HTML
2. Learn a whole load of other junk
3. Open up text editor
4. Go for it
5. If you are lazy, use some kind of CMS

How not to make a website:

1. Use FrontPage
2. Use anything that is even remotely connected to Microsoft
3. Host it on GeoCities
4. Host it on AOL

[Rat]

Originally posted by Tom Morris
The fruits of knowledge present these simple rules...

How to make a website:

1. Learn HTML
2. Learn a whole load of other junk
3. Open up text editor
4. Go for it
5. If you are lazy, use some kind of CMS

How not to make a website:

1. Use FrontPage
2. Use anything that is even remotely connected to Microsoft
3. Host it on GeoCities
4. Host it on AOL
What he said. Only I'd add 'Use Dreamweaver' to the second list. Along with asp, IIS, Fireworks, and similar.

Cheers,
Rat.

[Tom Morris]

ASP and IIS? Shudder. I'm trying to erase the horrible memories of trying to help build a website using those horrible creations.

[MRC_Hans]

Mmm? I have made several webpages using Frontpage, I think it is OK, as long as you keep it simple. Occasionally, though, you need to open the source window and tweak a html tag or two. Frequent calls of the view in browser function is also recommended, since Frontpage is definitely WYSISWYG (What You See Is Sometimes What You Get).

Hans

[Wudang]

More like WIZZESAOWYG - wizzes all over what you get.

[DaveW]

I hate all purpose-made HTML editors because they all seem to add about a million useless tags and comments that make the code impossible to follow (and the file unecessarily large). Notepad is my favorite HTML editor :)

[DangerousBeliefs]

Back in the hayday of web design, I got where I could easily do even nested tables with a text editor... and everything was cleaner and better loading than any HTML editor...

*sigh* but those days are gone... most sites are database driven now.

[Rat]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
Back in the hayday of web design, I got where I could easily do even nested tables with a text editor... and everything was cleaner and better loading than any HTML editor...

*sigh* but those days are gone... most sites are database driven now.
Yes they are. Set up MySQL and php, then write your html and php in Notepad. What's the difference? The html generated by php is still generated by you.

Cheers,
Rat.

[Rat]

Incidentally, there are those of us (and I suspect that we are many) who have no longing for nested tables. Unless you're tabulating data, there's really no excuse for them. And hasn't been for a good five years.

Cheers,
Rat.

[jimlintott]

I agree with using a text editor but notepad??

Something with context highlighting is a big plus.

I'd recommend bluefish (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index2.html) but it is *nix only.

A few seconds with google found this (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/) it looks pretty handy. At least it will help you spot missing brackets or runaway strings.

[Rat]

Yeah, highlighting is all well and good, but using Notepad makes me feel big and clever, and that's what's important. Texturiser is a good one as well, but all this highlighting is fluff. If you can't read your own code, write it better. If you expect someone else to be able to read it, I guess that's a different matter.

Truth be told, I tend to write in Notetab (just so's I can get white-on-black text), then use Notepad to make Unicode, or UTF-8.

I reserve the right to be a nonsensical snob.

Cheers,
Rat.

[Yahweh]

Yahweh builds websites with the following tools and knowledge:

1. HTML
2. ASP and PHP
3. Personal Web Server / IIS
4. MSAccess
5. Macromedia Homesite 5.0

Homesite is a text editor with handy color coded syntax. That alone and its auto-indent feature make it crush Notepad as an alternative. Lots of very useful features, it gets 5 stars from Yahweh.


Dont use FrontPage or Dreamweaver unless you have low standards for your web development.

[scribble]

I don't want to start a holy war, but I write all my web pages in vi.

And hey... for bad HTML, nothing beat "save as..." HTML from Word.

Eeeeeyack...

[Wudang]

Originally posted by scribble
I don't want to start a holy war, but I write all my web pages in vi.

And hey... for bad HTML, nothing beat "save as..." HTML from Word.

Eeeeeyack...

thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut, and pour lemon juice on it.

[jimlintott]

Yeah, highlighting is all well and good, but using Notepad makes me feel big and clever, and that's what's important.

That's perfectly understandable rationale.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH HHH!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

My favorite is when I get a client who wants me to create a site but they want to just update things on their own with Front Page.

One client liked Dreamweaver and had to constantly call us to let us know something was wrong with the site. We couldn't convince him to stop using Dreamweaver and I don't miss him at all.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by jimlintott
Is that a real poncho?

No, I got it from Sears.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH HHH!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

here,
http://www.w3schools.com/

[varwoche]

As a software professional who, in my own little niche (not related to web development), is reasonably able to claim a high level of technical expertise...

My lord, the html snobbery. As if editing arcane text with arcane tools is a badge of honor! :p

Slinking off... back to frontpage and my own sorry little site... (if I only knew how to lock a nav bar in place without frames!)

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by varwoche
(if I only knew how to lock a nav bar in place without frames!)
(Put it in a table.)

[Nasarius]

Originally posted by scribble
I don't want to start a holy war, but I write all my web pages in vi.

EMAAAAACCCSSSSSS!!!! :)

Actually, I prefer nano (http://www.gnu.org/software/nano/nano.html) or Kate (http://kate.kde.org/), both simple text editors, for writing HTML. But I write a whole lot more C/C++/Java code than HTML.

[WorldBuilder]

Originally posted by Wudang
thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut, and pour lemon juice on it. The Princess Bride was a great movie. ;)

Coding by hand is essential, but the most important single thing you can do (whether you hand code or use a WYSIWYG editor) is to make sure that it validates before you take it live. Hit up the W3C for more info.

Chris

[varwoche]

Originally posted by varwoche:
(if I only knew how to lock a nav bar in place without frames!)

Originally posted by Yahweh

(Put it in a table.)
(Thanks Yahweh. I meant prevent from scrolling off though. If tables can do this it would make my day!)

[Wudang]

divs with noscroll? Have a look at www.w3schools.com.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by varwoche
My lord, the html snobbery. As if editing arcane text with arcane tools is a badge of honor! :p

It's not about snobbery, but about control.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I want to set a gif/jpeg file to use as the background for my page. Help says:

1) In Page view, right-click the page, click Page Properties on the shortcut menu.

2) In the Page Properties dialog box, click the Background tab.

There is a step 3, but I had to stop, because when I do stp #2, there is no Background tab. :mad: :mad:

I guess I better start learning HTML