The Rapture Index

[UnrepentantSinner]

Perry Stone finally got the word out about the anti-Christ being Islamic.

Funny that we had to have the Soviet Union to fall and for 9/11 to happen before the prophecy kooks realized that Syria and Iran were Gog and Magog, not the Soviets and Chinese. :rolleyes:

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



How do you plan to stop GOD,he created you and he is Immortal.

Billiefan, maybe you could get some of your friends in to help you out here?

Also, how are people supposed to know if they are marked with the sign of god or the sign of the beast at rapture time?

[swstephe]

Someone once quoted someone else, (I don't remember who), to say '"the rapture" is just the kind of thing the devil would make up to convince Christians to stop doing good works and waste their lives arguing about something they probably wouldn't live to see'. Anyway, there doesn't have to be a rapture for a Christian to follow the words outlined earlier and to give everything they own to the poor. I used to say that if a Christian were absolutely without doubt in their own faith, they would secretly hope that they would die as soon, and as painlessly, as possible, so they could get away from all this sufferring and sin and into heaven.

the "sacrifice for our sins" always bothered me when I was a kid. A "sacrifice" meant that one of us lowly mortals destroyed something of value, (a sheep), to show that we were being sincere about giving up our bad behaviors. How God could perform a sacrifice by only pretending to destroy something, then making it magically appear again, was logic that was beyond my understanding. Later, some Jews pointed out that, as a sacrifice, the whole process was botched. It would have had to been performed by a member of the tribe of Levi, with the proper intonations and purpose, in the temple ... and human sacrifice would be definitely invalid. "Okay", the Christians counter, "but those are Jews...". Still, it was supposed to be cancelling out their law, wasn't it? And the "sin" part. The Old Testament is full of statements which void the possibility that a person can be held accountable for the actions of another, ("the grapes of the father don't sour the teeth of the sons" is one of many examples.

I think the whole "God is Love" thing is a very recent emphasis, a kind of new marketing spin on the older "fire and brimstone" message, which was only effective when there really wasn't much of a choice, (you either claimed you were Christian or you were out, and if you are a Christian, you better be good for goodness' sake).

[Roadtoad]

Well, once more, we get toxic bilge from Billiefan. Great. It's enough to make me lose what little bit I had for lunch.

Just a quick thought here: considering the Antichrist is supposed to deceive any and all of the elect he can, it always seemed to me that when the Antichrist showed up, he wouldn't be wearing a turban, or praying to Allah.

So, considering who Billiefan considers the elect, let's see:

Our Antichrist would likely be wearing a business suit.

He would also be preaching a message that nearly parallels (but is not identical to) the actual Gospel.

Our Antichrist would also likely be praising God for that great miracle, America.

Sounds more like our Antichrist would be someone like Kenneth Copeland, or perhaps Jimmy Swaggart.

Then again, given the hatred and bilge that spews forth from Billiefan's keyboard, perhaps Billiefan is the Antichrist.

Just a thought.

[calladus]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
So, considering who Billiefan considers the elect, let's see:

Our Antichrist would likely be wearing a business suit.

He would also be preaching a message that nearly parallels (but is not identical to) the actual Gospel.

Our Antichrist would also likely be praising God for that great miracle, America.

Sounds more like our Antichrist would be someone like Kenneth Copeland, or perhaps Jimmy Swaggart.


Huh - from your description I was gonna guess George W. Bush :confused:

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
So by saying it is okay to be bad,then you think Terrorists and Child Molestors and Rapists are okay then is what you are saying.

Unless they recant and profess a love for Jesus, then they are super.

[swstephe]

There were some interesting discussions a number of years ago. You see, part of Christian eschatology is that the antichrist has to restore the third temple. That narrows the field down to either someone who claims to be Jewish or who is a powerful ally of the modern state of Israel and Judaism. Therefore, you should take a hard look at modern-day Zionists and Zionist supporters like the current American Christian right.

Many Jewish groups oppose the formation of the state of Israel because they believe it can *only* come about by supernatural means and not by the intervention of politics. They accuse modern Israel of being made up of Marxist politicians who are using religion as a means to an ends. Many Christian groups in America have thrown their weight in behind modern Israel in an attempt to bring about the "End Times", believing it to be a magic bullett to cure all modern problems. This seems a bit Faustian to me. Trying to make a deal with the devil to achieve heaven on earth. It has been reported in the news many times that the Christian right makes no secret about supporting Israel in order to bring about armageddon, with the intention of converting all Jews to Christianity. I wonder if they think that is what Jesus would do? Support the anti-christ to help bring about prophecy? If not, what does that say about the true believer?

Muslims get all the bad press these days, but they certainly aren't the only ones who oppose Zionism. However, the current spin is that anyone opposing Zionism is anti-semitic, (an ironic term since Arabs are also "semitic"), which is generally understood to be equating the speaker with Hitler without regard to his views.

[arcticpenguin]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20030806/od_nm/china_locusts_dc

A locust plague in Inner Mongolia. That's another sign of the impending apocalypse, isn't it?

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Fillipo Lippi


Unless they recant and profess a love for Jesus, then they are super.

You mean unless they dont come to Jesus,then they are damned.


on a side note:

has anyone checked out:

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100290

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
has anyone checked out:

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100290 it doesn't count as a cross point if it comes from another board, billie. Just say what you want to say here.

[Pahansiri]

billiefan2000 ???

My friend I fear you forgot my offer.

Allow me to place it again.


My friend here is your chance to show the power of your belief through this action you can start to sway hearts.

You see us as poor lost souls. Let us see what Jesus says.

Matthew 19;21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


Matthew 19:23-24
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Your anger is not what Jesus would do is it? This is your chance to prove to us the power of your faith yet you will not do this simple thing.

Why? Do your things mean more to you then Jesus? Is your faith so small as you will not do this to help non-believers to see the light?

I believe this non-action of yours hurts Christ, you have turned your back on him like Judas, like Simon Peter you have denied him.


I will ask again.

Do this test for me and it may help the lost here to follow and be saved by you.

My e-mail address is mbertran@nycap.rr.com.

Please e-mail me and I will provided you with the contact information for my attorneys.

When you contact them they will ask you to sign over anything you may own, car, home etc also get your parents to do this and all your friends who believe the rapture is soon.

Give them all bank account numbers for everyone you know who believes as you do.

This will help start people believing you believe what you say.

My attorneys will hold all this information and papers signed by you all and these papers that you MUST sign if you really believe in the rapture and Christ will stipulate that I nor anyone can take position of the items or cash until you guys leave but I do from the signing of the paper own it all. ( run on sentence ..lol sorry)
As I have said I will one your car and house etc right now but will not take them from you until you leave.

I will use this money and things to help others, you know me and know I would do just that.

I will also be convinced if millions of Christians, well “real” Christians ( so that means you and 6 others I assume) are gone in the blink of an eye that you were right and use someone the money to convince others.

OK?

That is my deal it is all up to you now, what kind of Christian are you? Do you REALLY believe in the rapture and Christ?

The next move is yours, a “Lukewarm” Christian would not respond but you say you are a “REAL” Christian so I just KNOW you will… Please any excuses or non-response would mean you “Hate Jesus”

Does your 'stuff" mean more to you then the baby Jesus?

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
billiefan2000 ???

My friend I fear you forgot my offer.

Allow me to place it again.


My friend here is your chance to show the power of your belief through this action you can start to sway hearts.

You see us as poor lost souls. Let us see what Jesus says.

Matthew 19;21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


Matthew 19:23-24
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.



Your anger is not what Jesus would do is it? This is your chance to prove to us the power of your faith yet you will not do this simple thing.

Why? Do your things mean more to you then Jesus? Is your faith so small as you will not do this to help non-believers to see the light?

I believe this non-action of yours hurts Christ, you have turned your back on him like Judas, like Simon Peter you have denied him.


MY RESPONSE:

Didnt Jesus have anger when he threw the money changers out of the Temple?




I will ask again.

Do this test for me and it may help the lost here to follow and be saved by you.

My e-mail address is mbertran@nycap.rr.com.

Please e-mail me and I will provided you with the contact information for my attorneys.

When you contact them they will ask you to sign over anything you may own, car, home etc also get your parents to do this and all your friends who believe the rapture is soon.

Give them all bank account numbers for everyone you know who believes as you do.


MY RESPONSE:


DONT YOU THINK I HAVE ALREADY SIGNED OVER MY STUFF TO OTHERS I KNOW WHO DONT JESUS WHEN THE RAPTURE HAPPENS?

This will help start people believing you believe what you say.

My attorneys will hold all this information and papers signed by you all and these papers that you MUST sign if you really believe in the rapture and Christ will stipulate that I nor anyone can take position of the items or cash until you guys leave but I do from the signing of the paper own it all. ( run on sentence ..lol sorry)
As I have said I will one your car and house etc right now but will not take them from you until you leave.

I will use this money and things to help others, you know me and know I would do just that.

I will also be convinced if millions of Christians, well “real” Christians ( so that means you and 6 others I assume) are gone in the blink of an eye that you were right and use someone the money to convince others.

OK?

That is my deal it is all up to you now, what kind of Christian are you? Do you REALLY believe in the rapture and Christ?

The next move is yours, a “Lukewarm” Christian would not respond but you say you are a “REAL” Christian so I just KNOW you will… Please any excuses or non-response would mean you “Hate Jesus”

Does your 'stuff" mean more to you then the baby Jesus?





WHAT I MEAN BY LUKEWARM CHRISTIAN IS:


Someone who claims to be a Christian but dont believe JESUS is the MESSIAH.


Many of those Christians are called the Episcopal and Methodist Churches.



There are many Christians who dont believe Jesus is the Messiah,but somehow say they are.


They are the ones I call Lukewarm Christians.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000






WHAT I MEAN BY LUKEWARM CHRISTIAN IS:


Someone who claims to be a Christian but dont believe JESUS is the MESSIAH.


Many of those Christians are called the Episcopal and Methodist Churches.



There are many Christians who dont believe Jesus is the Messiah,but somehow say they are.


They are the ones I call Lukewarm Christians.


Would not a "Lukewarm Christians" be someone who will not prove he believes in Jesus and the rapture?

Here is your chance to prove to all you really do believe and that you are a "real" Christian.


BUT you just keep ignoring 99% of my post and the plan I set up to help you PROVE Christ and save souls.


Why do you ignore this, it seems you are a Lukewarm Christian.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



But why should I give you or any of the other Atheists here my stuff then?


I thought you people didnt believe in GOD or the rapture.


I think you guys do believe the Rapture will happen,cause after all,why would you be asking someone who is going in the rapture to give away his stuff then?

Billie,

when you get to the age of, say, 50 or 60, and the rapture hasn't happened yet, and you start to get an inkling of thought that maybe it isn't going to happen, then think back to this thread, and consider the possibility that maybe we were right.

Because I can tell you right here and now, there won't be no rapture, ever.

[Jet Grind]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
WHAT I MEAN BY LUKEWARM CHRISTIAN IS:


Someone who claims to be a Christian but dont believe JESUS is the MESSIAH.


Many of those Christians are called the Episcopal and Methodist Churches.

I find this interesting for two reasons.

1. Many of the original Christians were Unitarian, which means they did not believe that Christ was the Jewish Messiah or the son of God (Yahweh). It wasn't until the 4th century A.D. that such a belief became orthidox doctrine in Christianity. Considering this, why do only those who believe in the divinity of Christ have exclusive rights to the label "Christian"?

2. The Episcopal Church is based on the Nicean Creed and does so believe that Christ is the Jewish Messiah. I'm not sure but I think that the Methodist church is trinitarian as well.


Originally posted by billiefn2000
There are many Christians who dont believe Jesus is the Messiah,but somehow say they are.


They are the ones I call Lukewarm Christians.

Call them what you want, we have no reason to believe that your sect of Christianity is any more valid than their's (Especially sinc most of us here think that Christianity is either mostly or entirely BS anyway).

[swstephe]

I think the term Messiah is very badly misunderstood in English. The Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah, (Surah 4:171), but they certainly wouldn't call themselves Christians. The Jews originally define the term messiah/moshiach to mean:


The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often reffered to as "moshiach ben David" (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments. (Isaiah 11:2-5) He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15).


There is no implied divinity in the term, it does not mean "savior". All Jews are currently required to believe in a Messiah. There are some who believe that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, the prophesized political/military savior of Israel, but was rejected and resulted in the condemnation of Israel and the loss of the temple until the end days. They do not see Jesus as divinity, part of a trinity, or a redeemer.

"Lukewarm", according to most scholars means someone who is neither cold, (secular, doing good), nor hot, (zealous, preaching), but somewhere in between. It was an admonishment to either cut bait or fish but not be ambiguously in the middle. Someone who preaches and is intollerant of others, but clings to worldy wealth and power, (like the Pharisees).

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by swstephe

It was an admonishment to either cut bait or fish but not be ambiguously in the middle. Someone who preaches and is intollerant of others, but clings to worldy wealth and power, (like the Pharisees).

Like Billiefan2000.

[Roadtoad]

It took a while for me to realize what was going on here, but I finally figured it out. Maybe, now, we can move on to more important threads, (maybe something Shemp has started), or even just ignore this one. Sorry it took so long, but it's turning out to be a rough week on the road, and this old trucker is getting the worst end of this...

The whole thing occurred to me while I was making a run of concrete pipe to Lincoln, CA. I had just left the yard, and I was thinking about a lot of what Billiefan has been discussing. What really struck me is Billiefan's response to Pahansiri.

Pahansiri has been, I think, more than gracious to our pseudochristotroll. He's tolerated Billiefan's slander, he's been quietly accepting of Billiefan's trolldom. He's even made a generous offer to take over Billiefan's assets once the Rapture occurs. (Pahansiri, if I get raptured out, BTW, you are more than welcome to whatever I leave behind. I have a suspicion I won't be needing it should that happen.)

The more I read of Billiefan, the more that I thought I'd seen this before. And then it hit me.

I had.

Let me jump back a few years.

I used to belong to the same sort of pseudochristian cult that Billiefan belongs to now. (I'll explain this in more detail in a bit. Bear with me.) I was well indoctrinated into the hatred, and the fear. God forbid, I should be found lacking and be left behind in the Rapture! The only way, as I understood it at the time, that I could be saved from eternal hellfire and damnation was to be truly right with God.

And so, when the pastor declared that "all fags were damned by God," I said my amens, and sat secure in the knowledge that I stood in God's good graces, and that I would be taken out before seven years of misery erupted on the Earth. When the pastor declared that anyone who voted Democratic was posessed, I looked in my wallet and made sure I had my voter registration card declaring that I was a True Blue Republican, and blessed by our Lord and Savior.

The only problem was that I had a lot of "little sins" which kept at me. I also had a marriage that was crumbling like an overripe lump of cheese. My kids were not doing well, and for that matter, while I knew that I could be doing better as far as my job went, I was roadblocked. (Of course, I rationalized this in a lot of ways, mainly by saying that everyone else was lacking in "faith.")

A few things, though, finally cracked through the wall.

First, we had a guy in the church who was a member of a local militia. I don't know if you've ever dealt with these people on a face to face basis, but let me tell you something: they're nothing like what you see on the TV gabfests. These people come across as rational, sane, just like your next door neighbors. But if you listen to what it is they're telling you, you can't help but feel a cold chill run down your back. These people are far more frightening than ANYTHING you might see on TV.

So, there he was, ol' brother Ervel, telling me about this fine organization, and how they were having live fire exercises, and they were going to protect our nation's borders, and they were going to keep "those people" out of our neighborhoods...

Hey, I was an Army Brat. I knew damn well what he meant, and I also knew right from the get-go, he was dangerous. I also knew, he was wrong. (No matter what my folks might have done wrong, I'm proud they demanded of me that I judge people on the basis of their character, and nothing else. They did right. It's too bad it took so long for me to take the next step and realize that it applied to gays and lesbians as much as it did people of color.)

I did something I never would have considered ever before. I turned his butt in to the Folsom Police Department. They were doing their practice fire for the coming "race war" in Folsom, so I figured that would be the best place to start.

Then there was the church split. Some bimbo with "issues," (where did we ever get that idiotic term?), and an overactive hormonal stream, accused the pastor of getting jiggy with it with her. The fact that this was just after the Swaggart scandal made it all that much worse. Not long afterwards, he left, leaving his associate pastor in charge.

I actually have to thank that guy, that associate turned pastor. His barbaric and idiotic messages, his cliques which he carefully developed, his little digs at certain people... It added up.

The final straw was that we were getting together for "soul winning," where you go out and invite people to church the next Sunday. I walked into the pastor's office, as he was chatting up one of the Deacons, and he said, "Brother, you're getting quite a gut on you."

I grinned. "Yeah, I'm working on becoming a Deacon."

"Well, now, Brother, you need to understand," Pastor told me. "You see, as a divorced man, we really can't even let you clean the church.

"But, we will let you tithe."

Oh, yes! The Christian generosity! The Raptuous wonders of Grace! I was so blessed to sit in the pew, listening to bad theology, taken from John Wayne movies and Spiderman comic books, mixed in with a heavy dose of the King James Bible, and for this, while I could not be so blessed as to run a vacuum cleaner through the church, I could TITHE! What joy could fill my heart!

Bullsh**.

I didn't say it, but I sure thought it.

We had all the resident paranoia. We had the skewed view of reality, including the denial of what I KNEW was truth, including evolution, we had the resident bigotry, we even had the stratified heirarchy.

Hmmmm. Where had I seen this before?

Well, I have lots of relatives who are Mormon. And I grew up with friends who were Jehovah's Witnesses. A friend of mine had a brother who ran off and joined the Hare Krishnas. Another friend had joined the Unification Church.

It began to dawn on me that I was in it up to my armpits.

It was, oddly enough, an atheist friend of mine, (and if I can ever get in touch with Craig Kidwell ever again, I'm putting him in touch with this crowd. He'd have a blast!), who finally smashed it all apart. Craig is a no-nonsense sort of guy, who pointed out to me that I wasn't dealing with sin at all. Oh, sure, in church, I was sure to say my praises, and speak my love for God, but in reality, I clung so tightly to the Law, mainly because the closer you get to it, the more you can see the holes in it. I wasn't looking to do what was right. I was looking for an out.

I cussed him out a bit, told him what I thought of his atheism, told him what he could do with his atheism, (and he just stood there and grinned, and offered me a beer...), and had to go home and admit that he was right.

Billiefan, take note. You're not looking to get closer to Jesus. You're looking for an out. An escape route. You look towards the Rapture not to get close to God, but as a means of escaping your responsibility to God to live your life now!

I had to make changes in my life, based on what Craig told me. The man had nailed my @$$, and I knew it.

Interestingly, (to further confirm the cultic nature of my former church), when my family left, the Pastor, from the pulpit, declared to everyone that I was a skirt chaser, and a backslider. Of course, when I called him on it, he denied it. (If anyone in Texas runs across a Pastor Allen Otten, ask him about it. Should be amusing, hearing his response.) But ultimately, it led to some major changes.

I owed a lot of gay and lesbians a lot of apologies. Many of them were friends. During this time in my life, I lost one of them to AIDS. I was ashamed of what I had done, and still am.

I also owed a lot of other people apologies. I also had to make some amends to my long-suffering wife and kids.

I also had to apologize to God. I'd made Him out to be what He never was. (Sound familiar?)

If this made me a "lukewarm" Christian, I guessed it was far better that a thousand pagans be allowed into Heaven than for one righteous person be sent to Hell.

I had to acknowledge something else.

My buddy, Craig, was always reading something, whether it was Carl Sagan or Louis Lamour, or even the NIV Bible. (Yes, Craig read the Bible. Cover to cover.) He was also the most compassionate person I'd ever met, and one of the most generous. I owed Craig an apology, (which I gave him), and I owed him my thanks. (I think he enjoyed the beer.)

There's a lot more to the story, but I've bored you enough already. Needless to say, I've had to change my thinking a lot over the years. The lessons have been tough, and oddly enough, they've only gotten tougher as I've moved on. My belief is still that Christ died for my sins, but that's provoked an entirely different reaction from me in recent years. Relief, yes, and certainly gratitude, but instead of desiring to ram that belief down everyone's throat, I've long since learned that your actions are what people pay attention to.

When I look at someone like Kittynh, and see what she's doing for someone who cannot return this great gift of love and companionship, I have to wonder who's truly living by faith. When I read an post by Upchurch, someone who's not known for suffering fools, yet who's sense of humor and compassion are among second to none, I have to wonder who's truly loving others as he loves themselves. When I see LukeT taking on Stormfront, and baring his heart to someone in pain, I have to wonder who's truly living a Godly life, even if he denies the existence of that God.

Not once have I seen Billiefan mention this, but I will. Forgive the paraphrase, but it seems appropriate here:

In the last days, God will separate those who stand before Him. On his right, he'll sort out the Sheep. And he'll say to them, "Thank you, and Bless you. Welcome my friends to your rest. For when I was hungry, you fed me. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I was in prison, you came to see me. When I was ill, you came to offer help to me. When I was lonely, you gave companionship to me. Thank you, and welcome home."

The Sheep will ask: "When did we do this? We'd never forget a face like yours, Jesus. When did we do this for you?"

"When you did it for the least of these, you did it for me."

He'll then turn to the Goats who have been turned out to the left. And he'll say to them, "Cursed are you. Get away from me, for I never knew you. For when I was hungry, you ignored me. When I was thirsty, you gave me nothing to drink. When I was in prison, you cursed me. When I was ill, you ignored my wounds. When I was lonely, you gave avoided me. Go into the darkness and trouble me no more."

"When? When would we have ever done this to you?"

"When you did it to the least of these, you did it to me."

See, that's the real point here. I keep saying this, and Billiefan keeps up with this dilatory crap, trying to ignore the real issue! You are to live your life to the fullest, NOW! You don't know when your life will end. Paul said that the person who doesn't work, neither shall he eat. He was talking about people who sit around and wait for the Rapture.

He was talking about Billiefan.

Billiefan isn't interested in serving God. He wants to look like he does, so he can fake out God. This boy's a fraud. He's not like Kittynh, who's serving a sick friend. He's not Upchurch, who's challenging ignorance, and encouraging wisdom. He's not LukeT, who's challenging hatred and encouraging love. He's trying to play a game. He's in a cult, and denying God in doing so.

(And I'll say this, and catch hell for it, I'm sure, but it seems to me that James Randi, by demanding factual evidence, and demanding truth at all costs, is probably the best thing that ever happened to God on the Internet, ever.)

I'd rather spend an eternity with Yahweh, or for that matter, even ThaiBoxerKen, than Billiefan, any day. These are people who demand FACTS, not FEELINGS. Billiefan may not ever realize it, (a sure sign he's cultic), but it seems to me I've gained far more from people demanding facts from me, than I ever did from those who simply got their rocks off keeping me ignorant, and constantly parroting the Party Line. If ultimately, I wind up declaring myself an atheist, that's a risk I'm prepared to take. I'll be damned if I'll live like a fool ever again.

That's a tough choice to make. Not everyone can make it. But I can, and will. I'll take that chance. Because not taking it is not faith, it's slavery.

And I won't do that ever again.

[Loki]

RoadToad,

Thanks. Damn fine read. I owe you a beer.

[a_unique_person]

Road Toad, thanks for that. I well remember that feeling of trying harder to get closer, but the closer you got, the more holes you saw. I do also think that's why I don't try to give people like Billy too hard a time, as they are living a miserable life of fear.

[Yahweh]

Damn fine readin' material, Roadtoad :).

Edited for length of post.

[calladus]

Roadtoad, I'm saving this one. Next time I start to get a little peeved at my fellow humans, I can read this and see the grace and glory in humankind again.

[Filippo Lippi]

A beer fund for Roadtoad? Hell, I'm in. What's your local?

[Quinn]

Nice one, RoadToad. Three cheers.

Billiefan, is Billie Holiday the Billie that you're a fan of? If so, you'll probably want to change your username. You won't want a fondness for her on your record when the rapture happens, as I hear that coke whores who sing about sex make the baby Jesus cry.

Of course the real reason behind my suggestion is simply that it pains me to see the name of a remarkable artist sullied by the adoration of a halfwit.

Quinn

[Filippo Lippi]

Have no fears Quinn, for the Billie that he is a fan of is Evans, nee Piper. He never did answer my question about whether the commandment about coveting someone else's wife had been repealed.

[Quinn]

Interesting. I didn't know who that was, so I typed Billie Evans Piper into Google. The first page that came up was a collection of topless photos, so I still have to wonder about someone who publicly admires this harlot while simultaneously angling to be a first round draft pick for Jesus. But at least he's not giving us Billie Holiday fans a bad name.

Quinn

[Pahansiri]

My great friend Roadtoad there is but one thing I can say about your post.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:



I just posted to Ruby a quote that is also fitting here.

'A man is accepted into church for what he believes--and turned out for what he knows.' Mark Twain.

You are a wise kind man. I was raised and educated as a Christian, for me even as a small child it just did not feel right mainly so, and greatly so as a child that one need fear a God one that should be of unconditional love.

Many people within God based religions speak of the great love of God, perfect love, unconditional love yet place within their religion and Gods, or blindly condone actions that are in no way unconditional.

Condone behavior that would land a human father in family court and the prison. Such a being that killed and made to suffer his children would be hated by Christians rightly so ( well hate is never right) but in their God it is called Just love.


Fear blinds. Eyes that are closed can see only Darkness. A Mind that is closed will only know only Ignorance. A Heart that is closed can feel only fear and Hate. And self rightness is a anchor that will drowned them in the sea ignorance.

Billiefan may get to where you are and I would be so happy for him when he does, as he will be free from that suffering that his hate brings him. Hate burns like a fire, it is like a red hot sharp knife you hold tight in your hand not seeing if you just drop it you start to heal and feel better.

You are a good and wise man this board and the Christian belief is so lucky to have you.

[Jet Grind]

I normally don't give cudos to highly sentimental posts on message boards since I don't know the people personally, but this time I can make an exception. Great post Roadtoad!

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
I'd rather spend an eternity with Yahweh, or for that matter, even ThaiBoxerKen, than Billiefan, any day. These are people who demand FACTS, not FEELINGS. Billiefan may not ever realize it, (a sure sign he's cultic), but it seems to me I've gained far more from people demanding facts from me, than I ever did from those who simply got their rocks off keeping me ignorant, and constantly parroting the Party Line. If ultimately, I wind up declaring myself an atheist, that's a risk I'm prepared to take. I'll be damned if I'll live like a fool ever again.

That's a tough choice to make. Not everyone can make it. But I can, and will. I'll take that chance. Because not taking it is not faith, it's slavery.

And I won't do that ever again.

Wow, Roadtoad! That was an awesome post. I can relate to so much that you say. I feel the same way you do. I have learned so much from JREF. I don't want to be ignorant and just a blind sheep. I wonder if there's any hope for Billiefan. I wonder if he'll stop being so unChristlike. :confused:

[Charlie in Dayton]

I am only up to the 2 1/2th page of this thread, but at this point I can firmly say that this thread is the most fertile source of sig line material I have ever seen on this board...I may have to defrag just so's I can store it all! :eek:

[billiefan2000]

define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RAPTUREREADY.COM

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RUPTUREREADY.COM

Well Billie, maybe it's time to read your bible.

For one he healed people, have you done that recently?
For another he hung out with publicans and sinners, without condemning them. Have you done that recently?
For another he said 'suffer unto me the children for thiers is the kindom of heaven', so have you been tolerant of small children and tried to share thier world view.

Christ was a great figure, he didn't preach the rapture at all, nor did he claim that he was the messiah, but he did tell a good story and was very compassionate.

Lay off Ruby you wonk, or I will pray to my pagan dieties to bless you!

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by Dancing David


Well Billie, maybe it's time to read your bible.

For one he healed people, have you done that recently?
For another he hung out with publicans and sinners, without condemning them. Have you done that recently?
For another he said 'suffer unto me the children for thiers is the kindom of heaven', so have you been tolerant of small children and tried to share thier world view.

Christ was a great figure, he didn't preach the rapture at all, nor did he claim that he was the messiah, but he did tell a good story and was very compassionate.

Lay off Ruby you wonk, or I will pray to my pagan dieties to bless you!

Forget it, David. Billiefan knows jack diddley squat about Jesus, about Christianity, or for that matter about the Bible. All he knows about all three is what his Pastor tells him.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RUPTUREREADY.COM

Who is "all" Billiefan?

Why have you ignored all my questions?

Who are you....really?

If you study the Gospels and read about the sort of man Jesus was, you will see clearly that loving one's neighbor as one's self is central to what Jesus stood for.............He was gentle and kind..forgiving..........firm...........he mingled with non-believers....he won people over by his love. He was passionate. He was very wise. These are all attributes of a Christ-like character.

What else would you like to know?:rolleyes:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Dancing David


Well Billie, maybe it's time to read your bible.

For one he healed people, have you done that recently?
For another he hung out with publicans and sinners, without condemning them. Have you done that recently?
For another he said 'suffer unto me the children for thiers is the kindom of heaven', so have you been tolerant of small children and tried to share thier world view.

Christ was a great figure, he didn't preach the rapture at all, nor did he claim that he was the messiah, but he did tell a good story and was very compassionate.

Lay off Ruby you wonk, or I will pray to my pagan dieties to bless you!

You deserve a hug for that!!!:rub:

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RAPTUREREADY.COM
This is my definition of acting Christlike: Acting good toward your fellow man.

To elaborate a bit it means helping the homeless, loving your spouse and family, loving animals, being nice to nature, being compassionate, being selfless.

To be Christlike doesnt require you to (tell people you) perform miracles, it doenst require you to be (or believe you are) devine, it doesnt require you to get yourself tacked up on "t".

Got anymore brain busters, because Yahweh can take 'em all.

[Yahweh]

I dont believe in god (obviously) but I'm getting sick and tired of Billiefan disgracing my-er his name like that and completely misrepresenting the teachings bible.

If God is anything like billiefan says, I'd rather sit in Hell playing poker with the devil, Ruby, Roadtoad, and my cats (because animals arent allowed in Heaven) any day because the God you describe really really sucks.

I'd rather have a beer with any of the other fine folk at the this board than spend a single day in Heaven with you and 6 other uberChristians like you because that wouldnt be fun.

People like Roadtoad are one of the few Christians who's beliefs I respect because he's taken the time to weed out the very bad bulls**t side of religion that putrifies Christianity at the roots (have a beer on me, pal). Everything he writes is a jewel of literature and I think you should read them for what they are worth.

Ruby is deserves a hell of a lot more respect than she gets because she is beginning to question some of the teachings of Christianity. Rather than simply mindlessly parrot what others say, she's taking a much more intelligent approach to religion and asking the question "Really?". I'm not just saying that because I want to see a praise post from Ruby :D, I'm saying it because its true.

Lord Emsworth deserves a beer. Simply because he needs to stop thinking so much.

Kilted_Kanuck deserves a delicious Capri Sun because he's too young for alcohol.

Grow up some day billiefan. Be more like the superatheist Yahweh. Why? 'Cuz I'm a nice guy. I am mistaken for a Christian all the time. More than once I've heard "No, you cant be an atheist, youre too nice to be an atheist". I'm a super nice guy to everyone all the time (unless they piss me off). Another reason to be like me: I'm not ignorant and I dont parrot what other people tell me. You entire time posting on this board, have you ever thought for a second about your beliefs. I have, I've come to the conclusion that although Christianity certainly is much more optimistic and tells me things I want to hear, its just the fact that "fear" and "good times when you die" dont exactly do much to sway my opinion one way or another.

I'm told to "just accept Jesus" all the time by Christians. I will never "just accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior". Call me crazy but I need at least one reason why my atheist beliefs are wrong and yours are right.

Billiefan, you are not coming close to "converting the heathens" with your drive-by posting habits, instead people call you a troll. Not because we disagree with your beliefs, because you annoy the (figurative) hell out of us.

Now, will you grow up already and post with a shred of humility already?

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RAPTUREREADY.COM

:confused: :confused: :confused:

You ask us? We have asked you over and over, as it is you that seem to be sitting in judgment over the fine Christian people here and around the Earth. You of course judge everyone for every reason.

I have shown you passages from your bible clearly saying do not judge, perhaps as you are saying you are “Christ like” we should see what Jesus has to say about him judging others for if you are Christ like and he judges I guess you are justified to judge.’


Jesus who would be “Christ like said ” John 12:47 (English-NIV) "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.

and

John 8:15 (English-NIV) You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

Seems to be Christ like means not to judge does it now.

It would seem to me sweet loving beings like Ruby and Roadtoad are Christl ike and you are, well I will not judge you.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
define Christlike cause we would all love to hear what you think acting Christlike is.


HTTP://WWW.RAPTUREREADY.COM

Cursing fig trees, killing pigs and being mean to your mother. Since Jebus did these things, I assume they are 'christ-like' acts.

[billiefan2000]

being Christlike is helping people and showing compassion and mercy to others.

What you said is just being a jerk and nothing more.



http://www.raptureready.com

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
being Christlike is helping people and showing compassion and mercy to others.

What you said is just being a jerk and nothing more.



http://www.raptureready.com

Greetings billiefan I hope you have been well.

Your post to triadboy only furthers demonstrates my point and contradicts your very own words/position in the very same post.

You say being Christlike is helping people and showing compassion and mercy to others.

Here you say you need to be helping others showing compassion then you call triadboy a name, a personal attack.

Should not being “Christlike” mean following what the Bible tells you to and not to do?

Would not Jesus do as the Bible says? Seems that would be Christlike.
These are just 2 of the many things as to the Bible you did wrong in your statement.

1-Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.

Name calling can lead you to “hell fires”

2- If Anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his sharp tongue but deceives his own heart, this ones religion is useless~ JAMES 1:26

Name calling and personal attacks is speaking with a sharp tongue.

Of course your judging is a sin.

I agree that triadboy’s saying Jebus is unkind and not needed his point is still very valid and true as to your Bible. The fact is he left out things such as the condoning of keeping slaves and beating them, this does not seem like showing compassion and mercy to others.

[billiefan2000]

I wasnt meaning to attack triad,I was just saying that what triadboy said is Christlike isnt being Christlike but the results of someone being a jerk.


Pahansiri,I admit I am not perfect and neither is anyone walking this earth.


As Christians,we are suppose to try to be as Christlike as possible and help others,but there are times were Christians wont act as a Christlike as possible.

You,see I admit I am not as Christlike as I should be,but I try at least to be as Christlike and kind as I can.



I want you and triadboy and others reading this to take a look at:


http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110305

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109955


and it will show you that I try to be Christlike as much as I can and try to help people.


Not trying to be Judgmental,but I have a question:

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians and if Atheists were really that better than Christians,how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.


Answer me that question.

[headscratcher4]

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians

Tired of being burned at the stake everytime some sect gets political power and decides to build the kingdom of God on earth.

Actually, Billie, your question is fair and has merit. The real question that I think you must first answer is where is your proof that "Athiests" hate christians. I am personnaly quite indifferent to Christians. And, I think most true Atheists are of a similar bent. So, what is your proof for the assertion?

[Upchurch]

I think an even better question is Why are Christians so hateful towards other Christians? (http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/)

[Martin]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need helpWhat the hell are you talking about?

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I wasnt meaning to attack triad,I was just saying that what triadboy said is Christlike isnt being Christlike but the results of someone being a jerk.


Pahansiri,I admit I am not perfect and neither is anyone walking this earth.


As Christians,we are suppose to try to be as Christlike as possible and help others,but there are times were Christians wont act as a Christlike as possible.

You,see I admit I am not as Christlike as I should be,but I try at least to be as Christlike and kind as I can.



I want you and triadboy and others reading this to take a look at:


http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110305

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109955


and it will show you that I try to be Christlike as much as I can and try to help people.


Not trying to be Judgmental,but I have a question:

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians and if Atheists were really that better than Christians,how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.


Answer me that question.
I wasnt meaning to attack triad,I was just saying that what triadboy said is Christlike isnt being Christlike but the results of someone being a jerk.

My friend that is a lovely dance but the fact is as I pointed out you did personally attack with name calling triad.

Also which you have ignored triad pointed out facts from the Bible and the actions of Jesus, remember he said he came with a sward and to turn mother against child etc. As I pointed out he condoned the owning and beating of slaves, you did not comment on that.

Is the beating of others “Christlike” it is not what you said Christlike is, that being Christlike is helping people and showing compassion and mercy to others.


Pahansiri,I admit I am not perfect and neither is anyone walking this earth.

I am not perfect either my friend but I am not the one who stands in judgment of others, you are. You simply do as you please yet judge others for what you also do. You “sin” and take no steps to do what you are told to do and just say I admit I am not perfect try this STOP judging others and being rude and unkind.

I have posted these for you many times, I will do so again in hope they will sink in.

Matthew 7:3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Luke 6:41
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Luke 6:42
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

As to no one on earth is perfect may I ask you prove that? How can you know all people on earth and their thoughts and actions?

It seemed you have sinned again by bearing false witness.


As Christians,we are suppose to try to be as Christlike as possible and help others,but there are times were Christians wont act as a Christlike as possible.

yes, your actions clearly show that. You should stop sinning and maybe others can learn from your actions, right now your actions are that of a hypocrite.


You,see I admit I am not as Christlike as I should be,but I try at least to be as Christlike and kind as I can.

Really? Your actions would not show it, I have shown over and over all the things you do that the Bible says you should not. I do not believe you are doing your best as you see you want to do what you want not what your Bible tells you.
Your actions are that of a hypocrite.

I want you and triadboy and others reading this to take a look at:


http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110305

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109955

Your idea of compassion is posting on a board? And wanting people to be like you? But your actions are to lie, bear false witness, call names why should anyone want to be like that?

As I have pointed out in the past get off the computer, go out in the real world and help feed the hungry, home the homeless, clothe the poor, teach someone to read, spend time at a nursing home etc. This is REAL help and compassion not sitting on a computer all day name calling, telling lies and judging.. That is sloth and a sin.

and it will show you that I try to be Christlike as much as I can and try to help people.

You did nothing for these people you just did things you like to do..


Not trying to be Judgmental,but I have a question:

That is a lie of course you are. If you were not trying to be Judgmental you would not have asked such a question. I will point out the lies and bearing of false witness contained in it in a second.

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians

From your statement it has to be assumed you mean all Atheists, that means you must prove it with facts.

List all Atheists and list proof they hate Christians. If you can not do this you have lied and bear false witness.

You can start with me, list my actions that prove I hate Christians or anyone?

You can not know what all of anyone do or think or say. Do some Atheists hate Christians? Yes Do some Christians hate Atheist? Yes. Do some Christians hate some Christians, yes.


The truth is I hear more Christians saying things about Atheist then I do Atheist about Christians.


I have seen you attack anyone who is not Christian, I mean not “your brand” or “real” Christians. My friend your actions I must say are the most hateful of many I have seen.

But I do not believe you are really at all a hateful person just one blind to what he does.






and if Atheists were really that better than Christians,how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.

Really what proof do you have of this? Prove your statement, the fact is you have no idea you just spew your hatred and prejudice. You are while I do not believe a real hateful person in nature you are highly prejudice and that is hate.

Your thinking is not compassion it is the hate the harms so many.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I think an even better question is Why are Christians so hateful towards other Christians? (http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/)

Upchurch that is because Can Catholics are not "real" Christians.;)

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Upchurch that is because Can Catholics are not "real" Christians.;) Nor are Mormons (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp) or other Christians (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0008/0008_01.asp), apparently. I'm sure that would be news to them.

[Temporal Renegade]

Well, you know what Lady Whiteadder (Edmond Blackaddaer's Aunt) said:
Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics!:D

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
Get right with God you heathens. Time is running out.

http://www.raptureready.com/

Reported as a newsworthy item by the brilliant minds at WEWS:

http://www.newsnet5.com/newschannel5/1588673/detail.html



From Rapture Ready:

"Someday all born-again believers are going to suddenly find themselves caught-up into the heavenly realm to meet the Lord. The only remedy for this shocking event is to be on constant vigilance. "

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rapture has been promised for the last 2 millenia!! I hate unfulfilled promises. :-)

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Nor are Mormons (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp) or other Christians (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0008/0008_01.asp), apparently. I'm sure that would be news to them. :roll:

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by headscratcher4


Tired of being burned at the stake everytime some sect gets political power and decides to build the kingdom of God on earth.

Actually, Billie, your question is fair and has merit. The real question that I think you must first answer is where is your proof that "Athiests" hate christians. I am personnaly quite indifferent to Christians. And, I think most true Atheists are of a similar bent. So, what is your proof for the assertion?

I am usually pretty indifferent to Christians too, my are parents are both Christian. But the guy preaching on the street in his 'too holy for you' tone of voice, I just want to punch in the nose.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I am usually pretty indifferent to Christians too, my are parents are both Christian. But the guy preaching on the street in his 'too holy for you' tone of voice, I just want to punch in the nose.

I prefer a baseball bat.

Aim for the teeth.

[Some Friggin Guy]

I canNOT believe I cam contributing to this...

You know Billiefan, you are under a lot of preconceived notions about atheists.

I was once like you, then, for daring to speak out against a church leader who had gotten too "friendlyu" with a freiend of mine, I was ex-communicated.

Do you know what that means, Billie? It means, as far as tha church is concerned, I have no soul. I CANNOT be saved.

Since I cannot be saved, AND I'm an atheist, by your standard, I should be out dowsing homless people with gasoline and lighting them out of boredom.

I am a devout atheist who practices Buddhist philosophies. According my my fundie neighbours, that means I'm a heel bound heathen.

Remember that quote.

And remember what you said earlier:

Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.


I work nights. Every morning, after work, I drive by a homeless shelter. Every morning after work, I stop at that shelter and spend 20-30 minutes helping the staff prepare breakfast for the unfortunates there.

I donate blood on a regular basis so those who need it will have it.

A few days ago, I helped a complete stranger change their tire on a highway during a rainstorm.

My neighbors drop some change into the tithe at church.

They don't help the homeless because "they're just too lazy to work".

They wouldn't help a stranded motorist because "God would provide for the faithful".

Remember what I told you about myself, Billie?

I'm without a soul. I'm unsavable. I "worship that filthy heathen Boo-duh". and...

I am a hell-bound heathen.

[headscratcher4]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I am usually pretty indifferent to Christians too, my are parents are both Christian. But the guy preaching on the street in his 'too holy for you' tone of voice, I just want to punch in the nose.

And yet, I suspect you have not punched the street preacher in the nose, nor has Roadtoad used a bat. You probably roll your eyes (:rolleyes: ) and walk on. I suspect, also, that you (unless you are still in college or younger) have given up trying by the power of your logic or convictions to convince Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. that they are wrong and you are right.

And yet, Billie holds that Athiests hate Christians.

I repeat: I do not hate christians. I oppose politicized "christians" who would, I believe, limit my political and civil rights and force me to abide by the tenents/rituals of their beliefs, but that is political. For all I care, Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson may preach what they want to in their churches and their followers may live as they like in their own homes. I merely request the same consideration. And that, I contend, is equal rights, not hate.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Pahansiri,I admit I am not perfect and neither is anyone walking this earth.

As Christians,we are suppose to try to be as Christlike as possible and help others,but there are times were Christians wont act as a Christlike as possible.

You,see I admit I am not as Christlike as I should be,but I try at least to be as Christlike and kind as I can.

That's because it is a flawed concept. And I'm not talking about the existence of God, or something. No, the philosophical, moral, or whatever you call it, is flawed:

On one hand there is the (great) thing about loving your neighbor as yourself, but on the other hand you are only a sinner from the get-go. So, how much can you love your neighbor as yourself, when you think that you are, more or less, a worthless sinner?

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I want you and triadboy and others reading this to take a look at:


http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110305

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109955


and it will show you that I try to be Christlike as much as I can and try to help people.

Wonderful, you posted something on a message board. Now, that is surely going to help humanity.

Praying, praying, praying ...

Are we doing better already?

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Not trying to be Judgmental,but I have a question:

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians

Oh, I think I got it. Perhaps being hateful towards Christians means not praying for their souls. Oh, well...

If that is not what you are talking about then I am at a complete loss.

Originally posted by billiefan2000
and if Atheists were really that better than Christians,how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.


Answer me that question.

To who does it seem that way? To your local agit- I mean preacher?

[hgc]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
snip...

Not trying to be Judgmental,but I have a question:

Why are Atheists so hateful towards Christians and if Atheists were really that better than Christians,how come most Atheists dont seem to help others when they need help.That so many people here continue to treat you with respect, even after you make such hateful and ignorant statements as this, is evidence against the assertion.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Nor are Mormons (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp) or other Christians (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0008/0008_01.asp), apparently. I'm sure that would be news to them.


Mormons dont believe in what John 14:6 says and they believe Jesus is nothing more than a prophet,so to say Mormons have anything to do with Christianity is a Insult to Christians everywhere.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



Mormons dont believe in what John 14:6 says and they believe Jesus is nothing more than a prophet,so to say Mormons have anything to do with Christianity is a Insult to Christians everywhere.

BZZZZT!!!! Wrong! AS an ex-mormon I can tell you for a fact that Mormons do not consider Jesus to be "just a prophet" They consider him to be God's eldest son in a very literal sense.

I am an atheist and I don't care if you consider Mormons as Christians or not, but I DO care that people make their decisions about such things based on actual facts, not made up ones.

[Zep]

I wonder if Billiefan, and indeed the rapture-ravers, have actually READ the parable of the Good Samaritan. It was told by Jesus, don't you know, and it had a significant and powerful political meaning for the people he supposedly told it to, as well as a moralistic lesson.

Billiefan, what do YOU think the story of the Good Samaritan means?

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
I work nights. Every morning, after work, I drive by a homeless shelter. Every morning after work, I stop at that shelter and spend 20-30 minutes helping the staff prepare breakfast for the unfortunates there.

I donate blood on a regular basis so those who need it will have it.

A few days ago, I helped a complete stranger change their tire on a highway during a rainstorm.

My neighbors drop some change into the tithe at church.

They don't help the homeless because "they're just too lazy to work".

They wouldn't help a stranded motorist because "God would provide for the faithful".

Remember what I told you about myself, Billie?

I'm without a soul. I'm unsavable. I "worship that filthy heathen Boo-duh". and...

I am a hell-bound heathen.

Move over, SFG. I guess I'm hell-bound, too. I help out, too, and am helping out, but, hey, if I were REALLY a Christian, I'd be tithin', and prayin', and hangin' out at the Church every time the doors are open.

Unfortunately, that sort of behavior didn't make things better for anyone, including me. That's one of the reasons I quit.

Billiefan hates guys like me. I guess he'll hate guys like you, too. Nice to know, when I get to Hell, I'll be in good company. (At least we'll have something to talk about.)

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


Move over, SFG. I guess I'm hell-bound, too. I help out, too, and am helping out, but, hey, if I were REALLY a Christian, I'd be tithin', and prayin', and hangin' out at the Church every time the doors are open.

Unfortunately, that sort of behavior didn't make things better for anyone, including me. That's one of the reasons I quit.

Billiefan hates guys like me. I guess he'll hate guys like you, too. Nice to know, when I get to Hell, I'll be in good company. (At least we'll have something to talk about.)

I'll save you a seat at the infernal bar-b-que, RT.

[c4ts]

I've been waiting, but... still no rapture. Sigh...

[Some Friggin Guy]

Didn't you hear, C4ts? 4 people disappeared in Wymoing.

(Okay, not really. I have no article to site. It was a joke.)

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
Didn't you hear, C4ts? 4 people disappeared in Wymoing.

(Okay, not really. I have no article to site. It was a joke.)

Wait... hold on... I think I hear heavenly trumpets.

Darnit, it was just somebody's car alarm.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by c4ts


Wait... hold on... I think I hear heavenly trumpets.

Darnit, it was just somebody's car alarm.


Hmmm...Do cars get Raptured first?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy



Hmmm...Do cars get Raptured first?

Only the ones with the Jesus fish and/or certain bumper stickers.

[Temporal Renegade]

Not to be confused with the Strap-ture, which happens on city buses when they arrive at their stops, the doors open and the straps are suddenly empty.
Coincidence? I think not!!

[Ravenwood]

Originally posted by Roadtoad

Billiefan hates guys like me. I guess he'll hate guys like you, too. Nice to know, when I get to Hell, I'll be in good company. (At least we'll have something to talk about.)

Any room left on that bus? As an ex-Seminary student (Catholic, no less) who believed he could do a better job helping out without the collar (& accompaning baggage....) I guess I'm on the same road as you guys.