The Colorado movie theater shooting was a gov. initiated false-flag event/Alex Jones

[dvictr]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies like Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

[DrDave]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

This conspiracy relates to revenue generation and profit. The shooter may have been mind controlled by HAARP like technology to carry out the massacre and Eric Holdren can move the attention away from 2 Fast 2 Furious.

There's less truth in this than in the Batman film they were going to see

[dvictr]

this shooting is really a disaster for the Hollywood Industrial Complex. They are set to lose millions of dollars over this. I bet they had an emergency meeting last night to access the situation and initiate a damage control process to limit the ticket sale loses.

President Obama will go on record as saying.. "America needs to move forward, go out and watch Batman twice, buy that XL popcorn/soda"

[Rolfe]

this shooting is really a disaster for the Hollywood Industrial Complex. They are set to lose millions of dollars over this. I bet they had an emergency meeting last night to access the situation and initiate a damage control process to limit the ticket sale loses.


Really? I already arranged to go to the film the day after tomorrow with a friend, and then have dinner afterwards. We are not going to change our plans. Why should we?

Rolfe.

[dvictr]

Really? I already arranged to go to the film the day after tomorrow with a friend, and then have dinner afterwards. We are not going to change our plans. Why should we?

Rolfe.

it will have some affect on the opening weekend.. maybe 10-20% lower, some people will sit it out over respect for the dead or because they are truly concerned for their safety.

[DrDave]

Really? I already arranged to go to the film the day after tomorrow with a friend, and then have dinner afterwards. We are not going to change our plans. Why should we?

Rolfe.

I wouldn't bother, it's awful - especially the bit when they outrun cold!

[lionking]

it will have some affect on the opening weekend.. maybe 10-20% lower, some people will sit it out over respect for the dead or because they are truly concerned for there safety.

Jeez, you're really focussing on the key issue, aren't you? :rolleyes:

[dvictr]

Homeland Security is going to jump on this and Obama will find a way to hire thousands of unemployed to be Cinema Security Screeners .xray machines and bag checks at every cinema.. maybe even require ID to watch a movie. this is could be a windfall for the security industry.

[The Dark Lord]

Homeland Security is going to jump on this and Obama will find a way to hire thousands of unemployed to be Cinema Security Screeners .xray machines and bag checks at every cinema.. maybe even require ID to watch a movie. this is could be a windfall for the security industry.

Not sure if serious.

[Dave Rogers]

I see that someone also called dvictr has posted over in another sub-forum that this was a damaging attack on the military-industrial complex. Perhaps you two should be debating these clearly opposed sides of the question with each other.

Dave

[bynmdsue]

Not funny.

[twinstead]

I don't mind it usually, but sometimes the internet sucks

[dvictr]

every major sporting event has security screeners.. why not cinemas?

[aggle-rithm]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

This conspiracy relates to revenue generation and profit. The shooter may have been mind controlled by HAARP like technology to carry out the massacre and Eric Holdren can move the attention away from 2 Fast 2 Furious.

..and we'd have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling KIDS!

[dvictr]

the cable news stations finally have an "event" to pick up the ratings

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

[NoahFence]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

This conspiracy relates to revenue generation and profit. The shooter may have been mind controlled by HAARP like technology to carry out the massacre and Eric Holdren can move the attention away from 2 Fast 2 Furious.

Shut.
Up.

[dvictr]

the cable news station executives are breathing a sigh of relief

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

Maybe CNN is just like an emergency room.”

That is what a longtime CNN employee theorized last year, during one of the channel’s predictable defeats in the Nielsen ratings.

When elections and explosions happen, people tune in to CNN, the same way they hurry to a hospital when they think they are having a heart attack. But people tend not to linger in either place — a reality that was reaffirmed for CNN this week when Nielsen ratings showed that April was the channel’s lowest-rated month in 10 years.

[NoahFence]

the cable news stations finally have an "event" to pick up the ratings

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

go away.

[lionking]

There are no depths low enough for certain people on this forum........

[maggot9779]

Yea...people like you are pretty messed up. You want to skew something like this to fit your (equally messed up) world view while people are still trying to find out if one of their family members has been killed or not.

You are a vulture.

[R.A.F.]

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country.

wow...you really are "challenged" ain't ya...

[jimfish]

Sadly, not a contained opinion. Some choice samples of the valiant "info warriors" over at Alex Jones:

"if people weren’t weak they would be prepared to jump at him while he reloads and break his neck or they’d carry guns with AP rounds. then take photo and have the face analyzed."

"Anyone who know’s about the FREE MASON’s attack on the American people know they use the #11 in everything they do. I want you to look at the date the Columbine High School Shooting happened, and look at today’s date. “April 20, 1999″ Now look at today’s date. 7/20/2012 . When you take the months both event’s happened and add them up, you come up with the #11. Look at the day both event’s happened. 20th, and look at the state both event’s happened in. Time to condition the people to take away guns"

"The instant I saw this on reddit I already knew it was yet another gov. sponsored terror event for the gun ban agenda."

"DENVER AIRPORT MURAL GAS MASKED MAN WITH GUN , TODAY IN DENVER GAS MASKED MAN WITH GUN?"

"What is really F’d up is that everybody ran away to get themselves to safety but no one tried to stop this guy. There are a bunch of selfish *******s in this world and that’s what’s making this place go to ****."

What charming people. Not even a moment's pause and these armchair Columbos have already sussed the case and blamed the victims.

[Lisa Simpson]

There's something very sick about the mindset of the CTists who get excited by tragedy.

[SpitfireIX]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/170604dc34a16f20cb.jpg

[dudalb]

go away.

God, with his inneundo that the news media is behing the killings the wacko is now stealing his whack theories from the 007 movie "Tommorow Never Dies".

I predicted in another thread before the shootings that TDKR would fuel conspriacy kooks because of the basic plot of the movie (which has political overtones),but not in this tragic way.

[000063]

it will have some affect on the opening weekend.. maybe 10-20% lower, some people will sit it out over respect for the dead or because they are truly concerned for their safety.

Sweet, I'll have an easier time getting tickets!

[dudalb]

SOme of wackjob TDKR fanboys, not satisfied with the notoriety they have gained in the past few days by their death threats against critics who did not like the film.are not posting that Disney/Marvel are behind the killings in hopes of keeping TDKR from beating The Avengers at the box office. And, sadly, I am not kidding.......

[dvictr]

this event really moved the intrade market.. the Warner Brothers execs are ******** there pants over lost revenue.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=760956

[zeggman]

this event really moved the intrade market.. the Warner Brothers execs are ******** there pants over lost revenue.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=760956
The graph shows that it was never the opinion of the intrade market that this movie would break all-time opening weekend box office records.

I honestly don't think this is going to affect anything except the conversation in the lines of people waiting to get in.

[dvictr]

The graph shows that it was never the opinion of the intrade market that this movie would break all-time opening weeking box office records.

I honestly don't think this is going to affect anything except the conversation in the lines of people waiting to get in.

there are other markets for "gross over 150m, 200m..."
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756955

some people will stay home for safety and others out of respect

[000063]

Sadly, not a contained opinion. Some choice samples of the valiant "info warriors" over at Alex Jones:

"if people weren’t weak they would be prepared to jump at him while he reloads and break his neck or they’d carry guns with AP rounds. then take photo and have the face analyzed."*twitch*

Only high-risk operators would carry around AP, and even people who own guns don't usually take them to a movie theatre. Unless you have trained, the natural and perfectly understandable responses are 1)run in terror, or b)cower in terror. "Jumping" at someone who's armed is contraindicated by just about every security professional in existence, unless one's life is under immediate threat, and it is not actually that easy to break someone's neck, especially if they're a crazed maniac fighting back.

"What is really F’d up is that everybody ran away to get themselves to safety but no one tried to stop this guy. There are a bunch of selfish *******s in this world and that’s what’s making this place go to ****."Again, that is exactly what you are supposed to do. Do not engage armed men unless you have no other choice, or it is actually your job. Get yourselves and others to safety, as best as you can.

I'm not sure if I can even blame Hollywood for this.

[zeggman]

some people will stay home for safety and others out of respect
I can almost understand staying away out of respect, but staying away because of concern for one's safety seems completely irrational.

[Tomtomkent]

every major sporting event has security screeners.. why not cinemas?

Cinema hooliganism is an incredibly rare occurrence and normally with in the capabilities of security staff to deal with. You are making a very distasteful rhetoric out of a unique occurence.

You are also wrong to claim "every major sporting event" is screened.

[NoahFence]

this event really moved the intrade market.. the Warner Brothers execs are ******** there pants over lost revenue.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=760956

???


Please post again when you decide to make sense.

[Drudgewire]

this event really moved the intrade market.. the Warner Brothers execs are ******** there pants over lost revenue.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=760956


It's not even noon here, and I stopped to buy tickets for the 5:45 showing a few minutes ago. I've never had to park further away from the theater. It sure hasn't stopped everyone from going to see it.

[LightinDarkness]

There's something very sick about the mindset of the CTists who get excited by tragedy.

It really is sick...people like the OP live for moments like this so they can cry "CONSPIRACY!" in an attempt to look like they are the smartest person in the room and capable of deep insight that the rest of us sheeple lack.

The OP - and the rest of the crackpot CT community - do this EVERY SINGLE TIME there is a national news event. I can't think of one single event in the past 5 years which the CTers have NOT ascribed to some sort of conspiracy. They will even claim natural disasters are made by HAARP just so they can get a conspiracy angle in.

OP - your a disturbed individual. Seek help.

[DC]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies like Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

you are a great example of what paranoia and mental illnes can do to people.
i hope you are getting profesinal help.

[threadworm]

It was only a matter of time before someone tried to superglue their own agenda to this.

The cinema killer is just a slight footstep further down the line than your average conspiracy theorists, you know, the ones predicting the end times, calling for the sheeple to wake up, demanding people sit up and take notice.

Congrats.

[Straw Man]

As expected, the internuts are wrapping themselves in an extra layer of foil and hunkering down in the basement. I've had a look at some of the nutjob forums, and they're all whipping them up to a frenzy with CIA/NWO/prophesy claims and multiple shooters.

Sometimes the internet is a sad place.

[jaydeehess]

*twitch*

Only high-risk operators would carry around AP, and even people who own guns don't usually take them to a movie theatre. Unless you have trained, the natural and perfectly understandable responses are 1)run in terror, or b)cower in terror. "Jumping" at someone who's armed is contraindicated by just about every security professional in existence, unless one's life is under immediate threat, and it is not actually that easy to break someone's neck, especially if they're a crazed maniac fighting back.

Again, that is exactly what you are supposed to do. Do not engage armed men unless you have no other choice, or it is actually your job. Get yourselves and others to safety, as best as you can.

I'm not sure if I can even blame Hollywood for this.

Well Stallone or Shwartznegger or Willis would never have run, they'd have called his attention to themselves (ie "hey s***head, over here"), jumped him from 15 feet away, disarmed him and fought hand to hand for 10 minutes before killing him.
Those viewers with a juvenile outlook and perhaps lacking somewhat in IQ points may well believe that such a thing is possible and furthermore that anyone can accomplish such a feat.
Then again its not Hollywood's fault if people believe fiction.

When I read things like that, or for instance Rob Balsamo's account of how he would have saved flight 93 by disarming the hijackers, for a few moments I wish that these people are confronted with this situation. They will either do exactly what everyone else does and run/hide, or they will actually try to rush an armed man and simply be one of the causualties. Someone who unsuccessfully take on an armed man is probably going to die. If shot once and incapacitated they'd be facing an armed man who's focus is now on this would-be hero. Not a good scenario.

OTOH lots of people, guys mostly, do have hero fantasies, and sometimes a person actually has a chance, they are out of the sight of the attacker and armed with a club of some sort, and within striking range, and trained in hand to hand combat......... but that's rarer than blue moons.

What gets me is the idiots who call for everyone to be armed.

OK crowded theatre, a gun man rushes in and throw tear gas and starts shooting. First of all anyone with a whiff of the gass is not going to be able to see all that well through the tears and while choking/coughing. Even if there is no gas and let's say 10% of a crowd of 300 are packing their own weapons. That's 30 guns, 31 including the attacker. The attacker is shooting indiscrimanantly, are the heros?
However the real gun toters would have everyone at the theatre carrying. How many shots go off before everyone realizes that the original attacker is dead? How many would be heros get shot by other heros in a case of mistaken identity? I figure the death toll would not be much different than with no heros

[Crazytimes]

How long until Alex Jones publicly claims he was a psyop and this is a false flag attack so that Obama can take away our guns ?

[jaydeehess]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies like Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

Really? I can barely comprehend the lack of humanity and basis in reality it takes to have this as one's first thoughts concerning the death of a dozen people, some children, by an armed madman.

I take it the Joos were not behind this one since Joos control the movies and will take a financial hit over this that may last months. With the state of HDTV a lot of people are going to wait until movies come out on HDPPV, by which time some will not even bother.

[dvictr]

How long until Alex Jones publicly claims he was a psyop and this is a false flag attack so that Obama can take away our guns ?

hire Homeland Security Screeners to boost employment for the re-election

[dudalb]

How long until Alex Jones publicly claims he was a psyop and this is a false flag attack so that Obama can take away our guns ?

He is probably rewriting his rant on how "TDKR" was a psyop film to brainwash the sheeple right now. Too bad it will now focus on the shootings, I was hoping that Jones could top the pure insanity of his anlysis of "The Watchmen" a few years ago.

[dudalb]

Not quite conspiracy oriented,but a good example of the Psuedo Intellectual BS that is now filling the airwaves:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120720/us-colorado-shooting-batman-questions/

If I had turned that in as a paper when I took my Sociology 1A course, my Prof would have flunked me in a New York Minute.

[dudalb]

The graph shows that it was never the opinion of the intrade market that this movie would break all-time opening weekend box office records.

I honestly don't think this is going to affect anything except the conversation in the lines of people waiting to get in.

It's goint to have a minor impact on the OW box office;Not much but enough to keep TDKR from breaking the Avengers record.
Not that that really matters in the face of the tragedy.

[NoahFence]

Not quite conspiracy oriented,but a good example of the Psuedo Intellectual BS that is now filling the airwaves:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120720/us-colorado-shooting-batman-questions/

If I had turned that in as a paper when I took my Sociology 1A course, my Prof would have flunked me in a New York Minute.

– The Batman video game called "Arkham City" takes place in an abandoned movie theatre (The Monarch, outside of which Bruce Wayne's parents were killed).

Eh?

The movie theater wasn't abandoned, and it was only a small part of the game. Eh...facts.

Who needs 'em?

[dudalb]

Eh?

The movie theater wasn't abandoned, and it was only a small part of the game. Eh...facts.

Who needs 'em?

Hey it's the Huffpo,what do you expect,accuracy and facts?
When it comes to spreading manure, the Huffpo is becoming the Liberal answer to "Fox News".

[jimfish]

Hey it's the Huffpo,what do you expect,accuracy and facts?
When it comes to spreading manure, the Huffpo is becoming the Liberal answer to "Fox News".

Worse. It's an Associated Press wire.

[jimfish]

And just to add to the inevitable conspiracy theories, there was allegedly (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19216461) an early report from 9News that the suspect was an Iranian immigrant named Mohammed Alam.

The original YouTube video that contained the claim has been taken down, and a statement by a 9News' Digital Content Manager calls it out as a hoax. (http://www.varight.com/news/unconfirmed-reports-colorado-movie-shooter-idd-as-iranian-born-mohammad-alam/) There doesn't appear to be any mirrors of it up, so hopefully this'll die without much notice...

Edit: It seems the hoaxed YouTube video was of the real 9News feed, but the uploader either spliced in a screen grab of 9News' website, which had the name "Mohammed Alam" in an article or headline, or, more sinister, took the audio or video from another 9News story, since as it turns out, Alam's a real guy. He was featured in another 9News report (http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/194298/222/2-friends-1-cab-driver-and-2800-miles-), about two friends who went on a 2,800 mile cab ride on a whim. Alam was the driver. I'm guessing the hoaxer spliced in the clip from 1:20 to 1:24 of the original report, where a guy asks Alam his name. Without the context, the clip on first glance seems like the guy is a cop questioning a suspect.

Edit #2: I take it back. There may not be mirrors on YouTube, but someone over on LiveLeak's got one up. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=093_1342793563&comments=1) It's a much cruder hoax than I imagined; it's literally an edited screenshot. It's kinda sad that somebody would make such a thing and include the name of an innocent guy to push their agenda... =/

[jaydeehess]

It's goint to have a minor impact on the OW box office;Not much but enough to keep TDKR from breaking the Avengers record.
Not that that really matters in the face of the tragedy.

I think it will have an effect on all theatre goings and will do so for a month or more. This will have a drastic effect on theatre bottom lines this year given that this is their busiest time.

If I were a conspiracy minded sort I would see this as a plot by the anti-Zionist forces to curtail the influence of the Zionist controlled Hollywood movie industry. Its not a leftist plot by Obama to reduce unemployment by hiring HS theatre security. ( a ridiculous notion in the first place) its a plot to have Congress pass laws requiring theatre owners to hire private secirity sceeners and drive them (theatre owners) out of business due to drastically increased costs, thus INCREASING unemployment and bankrupty filings by November when hundreds, perhaps thousands of theatres go bankrupt! Thus giving Romney an advantage!
{POE}

[Border Reiver]

So, this is a conspiracy by Netflix to improve their business?

God, I felt dirty just typing that.....

[mikeyx]

this shooting is really a disaster for the Hollywood Industrial Complex. They are set to lose millions of dollars over this. I bet they had an emergency meeting last night to access the situation and initiate a damage control process to limit the ticket sale loses.

President Obama will go on record as saying.. "America needs to move forward, go out and watch Batman twice, buy that XL popcorn/soda"

fraid not sport. If it helps though I hear a coo coo clock somewhere.

[Straw Man]

So, this is a conspiracy by Netflix to improve their business?

God, I felt dirty just typing that.....

So you should.

And you shilling Sven Hassel books is no better. I've ended up getting the whole collection. Again.

Curse you!

[Robrob]

It never fails to amaze me, the number of normally rational people who fall for an obvious "poe."

[Alareth]

Have no fear! The Health Ranger is on the case!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

[Puppycow]

How long until Alex Jones publicly claims he was a psyop and this is a false flag attack so that Obama can take away our guns ?

Not long:

Alex Jones Says Aurora Shooting Was Staged By Obama (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40636_Alex_Jones_Says_Aurora_Shooting_Was_Staged_B y_Obama)

[Dog Town]

There's something very sick about the mindset of the CTists who get excited by tragedy.

Isn't that why we're here?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1092349cc11932fa7c.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=15807)

[triforcharity]

Homeland Security is going to jump on this and Obama will find a way to hire thousands of unemployed to be Cinema Security Screeners .xray machines and bag checks at every cinema.. maybe even require ID to watch a movie. this is could be a windfall for the security industry.

You do realize that Obama doesn't tell private places like ballparks, movie theaters and the like about their security measures...right?

Right????

[Sceptic-PK]

Stupid thread is stupid.

[WildCat]

You only need to watch a few seconds, it just gets more and more stupid as it goes on if you can stomach it:

NDRdD1yDiR0

:eek:

[JayUtah]

I think my contempt for Alex Jones is finally complete.

[jimfish]

Charlie Brooker said it perfectly in his 2011 Wipe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4coGerRh4ZI#t=24m45s); "imagine going to work everyday knowing you're actively making the world worse..."

It takes a special kind of awful to do what Jones does. His impression at 4:03, like all his impressions, is sickening. He always mocks the victims. What a scuzzbag.

[LibraryLady]

Okay, don't come into CT forum a lot, but I have a serious question:

Are we sure this is not a Poe?

[deeper]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies like Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

Gimmee strength. dvictr, this is pure fantasy. You are in a prison of your own making and the guards look like this.

g8fjeG5oCGQ

[ferd burfle]

Okay, don't come into CT forum a lot, but I have a serious question:

Are we sure this is not a Poe?

I think the provocative, over the top nature of the post speaks for itself but in fact OP is a self-confessed troll. Sorry, no link, but FWIW I recall his admission appeared in an Apollo Hoax thread about a year ago.

In my ranking of postings, those of serious but deluded CTists rank far above those of attention-seekers.

The Ignore button is your friend.

ETA: I suppose fairness does demand a link: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7336095#post7336095

Respectfully,

ferd

[deeper]

I think the provocative, over the top nature of the post speaks for itself but in fact OP is a self-confessed troll. Sorry, no link, but FWIW I recall his admission appeared in an Apollo Hoax thread about a year ago.

Well, I don't know about that admission but here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6238370&postcount=15) is another which went to AAH.

it's just a good joke to run with hehe, well the good news is that im done trolling this forum..


The bad news being he wasn't "done".

[LibraryLady]

Thank you, ferd and deeper. I feel better now. :)

[Sabrina]

I think my contempt for Alex Jones is finally complete.

It wasn't before?

[BStrong]

For the nutjobs, the material just writes itself.

It's no different than when Jones puts a "source" on his show that turns out to be bogus - the blame isn't on him for not vetting his "sources" the blame is on the government trying to set-up Jones.

[JayUtah]

It wasn't before?

No, not really. When you go after 40-year-old Apollo missions, you can fly under the radar knowing that few people care a great deal about it. That's mostly what I know him for. But when you capitalize on a deadly tragedy mere hours after it occurs, for nothing more self-aggrandizing purposes, it's not only dishonest and selfish; it's in blatantially, sociopathically poor taste. The man clearly has no conscience whatsoever.

[sts60]

No, not really. When you go after 40-year-old Apollo missions, you can fly under the radar knowing that few people care a great deal about it. That's mostly what I know him for. But when you capitalize on a deadly tragedy mere hours after it occurs, for nothing more self-aggrandizing purposes, it's not only dishonest and selfish; it's in blatantially, sociopathically poor taste. The man clearly has no conscience whatsoever.
I thought you were talking about the OP. Then I read the context, and realized you meant that crackpot radio guy. Then I realized your comments applied equally well to the OP, whom I dumped to the Ignore list a long time ago. What's-his-name on the radio is effectively on ignore as well; I never heard of him before joining this forum, and nobody I know has ever mentioned him.

A pair of ranting trolls; one apparently gets money for it. Useless, contemptible, and irrelevant either way.

[LightinDarkness]

Conspiracy theorists around the web are REALLY getting off to this one. The size and intensity of the circle jerk (I really don't know how else to describe it) over this from the nutjobs is amazing. As always happens with every news worthy events the nutters comb through their "predictions" which they make every day about everything and find some vague connection to proclaim that they "saw it coming" or "prophesied" the events.

Here is my favorite recent example of the CTers mentally masturbating over their POSTdiction skills:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread862731/pg1

I mean really, the guy claims on 7/10 he predicted at "blood sacrifice" connected with the movie. But when you look back....the post is all about using numerology to somehow claim the batman movie is connected to the (fake) Lucifer Trust. Its not even close to being a hit - but the ATS nutters are eating it up.

The level of stupidity on the internet every time something like this happens never fails to amaze.

[wollclark]

...the batman movie is connected to the (fake) Lucifer Trust....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust

[dvictr]

Hollywood lays low, cancels box office announcements, in wake of the Aurora, Colo. movie-theater tragedy

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hollywood-lays-wake-aurora-movie-theater-tragedy-article-1.1119232#ixzz21HylxGuU

A LOT of execs are really bummed about this because they have bonuses tied to opening weekend numbers.. this tragedy really hits home for the Hollywood Community

[MG1962]

A LOT of execs are really bummed about this because they have bonuses tied to opening weekend numbers.. this tragedy really hits home for the Hollywood Community

Why is it your links never seem to back up your claims. Why don't you scuttle back to the thread you already have going on this dribble. No one really cares what you think about this incident or the movie industry at large.

[dc1971]

Shut.
Up.

...watch the beat

[dc1971]

You only need to watch a few seconds, it just gets more and more stupid as it goes on if you can stomach it:

NDRdD1yDiR0

:eek:

If only a guy in a gas mask would have entered the back door at the GCN studios...

[LightinDarkness]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust

The Lucifer Trust as they imagine it in their feverish imaginations is 100% fake. That there happens to be an actual trust that shares the name doesn't mean it has 1/1000000000th of the power/evil intent they ascribe to it. This is like claiming the NWO is real because there is a NWO wrestling group.

[000063]

http://sempiterness.tumblr.com/post/27725834327/please-take-a-second-to-read-this-for-me-and

I also found a guy on tumblr who asserted that the conspiracy theorists are actually a NRA backed false flag operation to stifle the gun control debate before it starts.
http://conceivable.tumblr.com/post/27732185274/pro-gun-lobby-mobilizes-sympathizers-to-co-opt

Pro-gun lobby mobilizes sympathizers to co-opt control-advocate reactions to CO massacre

There is a vile, racist, NRA-backed screed being propagated in an organized manner across social networks particularly from seemingly left-leaning sites & pages, portraying Aurora as a “staged” event. Like a White guy wouldn’t go coo-coo, or use weapons badly.

It’s not fringe wackos coincidentally doing this, each on their own, all at once.

It is a planned, preemptive tactical strike against any forthcoming efforts to limit gun violence, legislatively or otherwise, or even to discuss such things without appearing loony, oneself.

"We have to go deeper."

This guy is dripping with the exact sort of egotism CTs usually have. "But why will you say that I am mad?"

[BStrong]

The prison planet wingnuts are on high alert for blue helmeted usurpers of the Constitution coming to take their guns.

I see that some of it must have splashed on someone's shpes, and they tracked it in here.

[wollclark]

Most are basing this on the timing of the shooting and this: http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/

Personally, it worries me a bit as well. I'm mostly liberal, but when it comes to guns I believe whole heartily in the second amendment. Though, I do agree we need more rigorous background checks. But then again, a black market gets passed that.

I don't think the government is above staging such a thing. Where did the college drop out get all of the money for his gear? The whole thing does seem a bit fishy.

[wollclark]

Sorry for the double post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUCsNzzwCeY

[Garrison]

Most are basing this on the timing of the shooting and this: http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/

Personally, it worries me a bit as well. I'm mostly liberal, but when it comes to guns I believe whole heartily in the second amendment. Though, I do agree we need more rigorous background checks. But then again, a black market gets passed that.

I don't think the government is above staging such a thing. Where did the college drop out get all of the money for his gear? The whole thing does seem a bit fishy.

Stole the gear, stole the money to pay for the stuff, used his rent money, used money gifted/loaned by friends/family to pay bills to buy weapons. Basically any of the multitude of mundane possibilities that most people would think of before leaping to government conspiracy.

[bynmdsue]

I think they'd also use a stereotype as the shooter, a real God-fearin' pickup drivin' good-ol-boy.

[Robrob]

Where did the college drop out get all of the money for his gear?

When you are planning a mass murder, you don't really care much about getting behind on your rent or car loan.

Not to mention he bought much of the ammo over the internet from eBay and the weapons from local stores in May. I suspect he used credit cards.

Interestingly, the early reports of "body armor" seem to have been mistaken.

[000063]

I think they'd also use a stereotype as the shooter, a real God-fearin' pickup drivin' good-ol-boy.

Nah. That would just prejudice people against guns. I've seen people losing all logic about this, and it just wouldn't have the same impact in, say, Atlanta, or Little Rock.

[dudalb]

I lasted about two minutes into the Jones rant until I bailed.
The thing that digusts me about Jones is that if Mitt Romney is elected, he will still spew the same crap, he will just say "Romney and THe Republicans" instead of "Obama and the Democrats".
THe man is truly beneath comtempt.

[NoahFence]

Was there a contest for screwballs that the OP was trying to win? Fastest CT after a major event?

[dudalb]

Was there a contest for screwballs that the OP was trying to win? Fastest CT after a major event?

We have that contest a lot here.........................

The police found Batman parphenalia in the killer's apartment so that is proof that DC comics is in on it..........

[Crazytimes]

Stole the gear, stole the money to pay for the stuff, used his rent money, used money gifted/loaned by friends/family to pay bills to buy weapons. Basically any of the multitude of mundane possibilities that most people would think of before leaping to government conspiracy.

He was also going to school on a grant that only 6 people in the country receive so he likely didn't have many expenses.

"Holmes, along with five other students, had his research funded by a National Institutes of Health grant aimed at training “outstanding neuroscientists and academicians who will make significant contributions to neurobiology,” the school said.

Holmes was paid a stipend of $26,000 a year under the grant, said Jacque Montgomery, a university spokeswoman, in an interview yesterday."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-22/illusions-fascinated-colorado-massacre-suspect-as-student

[Justin39640]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXkyfVsSBsU#t=2h6m
NSFW (Language)

:D

[Axiom_Blade]

I lasted about two minutes into the Jones rant until I bailed.
The thing that digusts me about Jones is that if Mitt Romney is elected, he will still spew the same crap, he will just say "Romney and THe Republicans" instead of "Obama and the Democrats".
THe man is truly beneath comtempt.

Since Romney and Obama both hold positions that he is opposed to, he's being consistant. Likewise, I also oppose Obama and Romney (although, probably for different reasons than Jones).

However, Jones' views are so extreme and dogmatic, anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest is some NWO patsy. This makes me think that no matter who got into the White House, he'd still find something wrong with them...even if it was Ron Paul. If Ron Paul had become president, we might have seen the Alex Jones video calling him out as an Illuminati Manchurian Candidate or something.

[wollclark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zjcm1znYbs

The FBI attempted to "warn" about this but it was never sent out. This is very fishy.

[JayUtah]

This makes me think that no matter who got into the White House, he'd still find something wrong with them.

Naturally. One cannot afford to be partisan if one expects his manure-spewing-for-profit career to last more than four years.

[SpitfireIX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zjcm1znYbs

The FBI attempted to "warn" about this but it was never sent out. This is very fishy.


In addition to the usual conspiracist BS, this person has uploaded several anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial videos. Please explain why we should take anything he says seriously, or why we should take you seriously, when you uncritically use such a source.

[wollclark]

In addition to the usual conspiracist BS, this person has uploaded several anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial videos. Please explain why we should take anything he says seriously, or why we should take you seriously, when you uncritically use such a source.

I'm just throwing it on the table, something to look into. I didn't check his other videos or page.

I do happen to think this shooting is strange. I know that's an unpopular opinion, but that's just what I think.

When watching him in court, he seemed to have a very strange appearance about him. As if he was waking up from a daze. I don't know if the court made him take something to calm him down or what. It just seems strange

[SpitfireIX]

I'm just throwing it on the table, something to look into.


Why should anyone bother to look into it, coming from such a source? Said source doesn't automatically make the claim wrong in and of itself, but it does make it exceedingly likely that there's nothing to it and not looking into. If you feel differently then why don't you look into it and let us know if/when you find some real evidence?

I do happen to think this shooting is strange. I know that's an unpopular opinion, but that's just what I think.


Someone with no discernible motive apparently walked into a movie theater and shot 70 people. How could that not seem strange? The problem is, you and your ilk are far too eager to equate "strange" with "conspiracy".

When watching him in court, he seemed to have a very strange appearance about him. As if he was waking up from a daze. I don't know if the court made him take something to calm him down or what. It just seems strange


Do you think a normal person would do what he's alleged to have done? How do you feel he should behave, and what makes your opinion worth more than anyone else's?

[The Platypus]

Everything that happens is claimed to be a false flag by conspirakooks. And unsurprisingly, they are never correct.

[dvictr]

In addition to the usual conspiracist BS, this person has uploaded several Holocaust denial videos.

:yikes:
is there a specific orifice you are pulling this out of? anyways, im reporting you to the moderat ors for blatant slander.. I have never posted any "Holocaust denial videos".. or threads.

anti-semetic? are you referring to the Moon Command Center? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=182611

[WildCat]

:yikes:
is there a specific orifice you are pulling this out of? anyways, im reporting you to the moderat ors for blatant slander.. I have never posted any "Holocaust denial videos".. or threads.

anti-semetic? are you referring to the Moon Command Center? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=182611
He's talking about this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/BAZYRKYR/videos

[dvictr]

He's talkling about this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/BAZYRKYR/videos

i thought he might be mentioning the Goldman Sachs orchestration of the Chilean Mine Collapse in 2010 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=190012

[wollclark]

Why should anyone bother to look into it, coming from such a source? Said source doesn't automatically make the claim wrong in and of itself, but it does make it exceedingly likely that there's nothing to it and not looking into. If you feel differently then why don't you look into it and let us know if/when you find some real evidence?

Well, I brought it here because I know I'm not good at debunking things. I'm trying to recover from my everything's-a-conspiracy way of thinking. I suppose I'm too easily convinced of conspiracy.

Someone with no discernible motive apparently walked into a movie theater and shot 70 people. How could that not seem strange? The problem is, you and your ilk are far too eager to equate "strange" with "conspiracy".

There's the issue of being a college drop-out and somehow having the money to buy all of that ammo and tactical clothing. Also, I'm simply asking questions about the story. Being skeptical doesn't just mean accept the government's word and ignore incongruities.

Do you think a normal person would do what he's alleged to have done? How do you feel he should behave, and what makes your opinion worth more than anyone else's?

No I don't, but that doesn't negate the idea that this could be a set-up. The FBI has been caught at the wheel of terrorist plots. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all) I never said my opinion was above anyone else's, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

[dvictr]

IF there is a conspiracy, the motive that comes to mind is a movement to have security screeners at all cinemas (they already are present at sporting events).. maybe legislation that will require any commercial event with over 50-100 people to have bag checks/ metal detectors. its a windfall for the manufactures of these devices and a political win for employment initiatives.

the other motive which i dont think has any merit because the lobbying industry is HUGE is the (small-arms confiscation, repeal 2nd amendment) will never happen because the lobby does a good job every election cycle.

i would be very impressed if this James Holmes really wants to set off fireworks and starts playing off the conspiracy going on record through his lawyer or outburst in court about how he was under mind control (MKultra) but that same mind control might prevent the truth from coming out.

this link is to a great article that really stirs the pot bringing up some great points. Colorado might be the center a "bermuda type triangle-type" convection zone where psy ops is possible. http://www.examiner.com/article/the-aurora-colorado-shooting-echoes-of-mk-ultra

[Crazytimes]

Well, I brought it here because I know I'm not good at debunking things. I'm trying to recover from my everything's-a-conspiracy way of thinking. I suppose I'm too easily convinced of conspiracy.



There's the issue of being a college drop-out and somehow having the money to buy all of that ammo and tactical clothing. Also, I'm simply asking questions about the story. Being skeptical doesn't just mean accept the government's word and ignore incongruities.

Also, he wasn't wearing tactical gear, he just had on a helmet. Initial reports that he was wearing a bullet proof vest were false. I can go to an army surplus store and by a cheap helmet.



No I don't, but that doesn't negate the idea that this could be a set-up. The FBI has been caught at the wheel of terrorist plots. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all) I never said my opinion was above anyone else's, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

Look at my post above. He was one of 6 in the country to receive a grant and was receiving a stipend of 26k a year. He had the money. Also, if you plan on going out with a bang you don't really care about running up debt on a credit card or spending all of your money.

[Robrob]

Well, I brought it here because I know I'm not good at debunking things. I'm trying to recover from my everything's-a-conspiracy way of thinking. I suppose I'm too easily convinced of conspiracy.
Glad to hear it. The tendency you describe is really just an "overreaction" on the part of your (everyone's) natural survival traits and propensity to see dangerous patterns. Mistaking a shadow for a tiger didn't matter to our early ancestors. Being overcautious was a survival trait. This trait taken to an extreme causes some people to see danger and patterns where there are none in today's world. Mistaking your waiter for a poisonous murderer does matter, etc...

There's the issue of being a college drop-out and somehow having the money to buy all of that ammo and tactical clothing. Also, I'm simply asking questions about the story. Being skeptical doesn't just mean accept the government's word and ignore incongruities.
Reasonable but also easily explained by credit card debt. On that topic, I heard he had 3,000 rounds of pistol ammo, 6,000 rounds of rifle and 300 shotgun rounds. :eek:

It does seem the early reports of body armor may have been mistaken. He wore a tactical vest (essentially a black fisherman's vest) which got misreported as a ballistic vest. I haven't heard about the rest of his equipment but it may also turn out to have been more decorative than tactical.

No I don't, but that doesn't negate the idea that this could be a set-up. The FBI has been caught at the wheel of terrorist plots. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all) I never said my opinion was above anyone else's, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I understand your concern but the linked article puts a very negative spin on very mundane events.

"But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested."

That is an extremely biased depiction of everyday ordinary police work. If a person is searching for a "missile" isn't it obvious the best way to conduct the investigation is to 1) introduce an undercover agent who will 2) "sell" him the (non-functioning) weapon he seeks? Another analogy might be a proposed bank robbery. Wouldn't it be better to make sure the criminals were arrested right after they broke into an empty bank vault rather than a full one? That doesn't make them innocent, it's just more safe.

[Travis]

Can't argue with this logic from Icke: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217473)

I don't think Holmes was the actual shooter......"They" wouldn't trust a non professional

to fulfill an important event like this one....The shooter's face was covered with a gas mask......so there is no way of really knowing for sure....but whoever was the shooter certainly had help from inside the theater.....

How exactly was this "important" to "them?"

[Axiom_Blade]

Can't argue with this logic from Icke: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217473)


Oh Icke! That place is a gold mine:


he seems in my opinion like he is loaded on some kind of tranquilizers and anti psychotics

i think his legal team will make an insanity plea and keep him sedated on drugs during the trial

strange that he has dyed his hair red rather than green the same colour as the joker that the media was stating he was trying to emulate

red is a highly symbolic colour

red flags ,red dress,red pill,red shield,red cross,red heifer,red hair ? wasn't that a trait of the ahskenazi people

anyone know the meaning of the colour red in kabbalistic symbology ?


i suppose it could be as simple as the meaning of war like mars the red planet the signs that the war with Iran is about to start


Just free association up to the prophecy. It's a thing of beauty.

[Graham2001]

Please, to have even the slightest chance of bringing about gun control you'd need to have a 'one-man massacre' bigger than Port Arthur with at least some of the dead being the victims of 'law abiding gun owners' shooting in a panic and even then I'd rate the chances of anything happening being way less than even.

And I'm writing from experience, I can remember when "Jackboot Johnny" Howard put on his bullet proof vest and faced an angry crowd of 'sporting shooters' some of whom were in the habit of referring to a certain part of their anatomy as their 'smallarm'.

That no-one took a shot at him, that day still amazes me, that the 'gun lobby' proved to be a paper tiger even more so.

[Travis]

Well I guess this solves the case then (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060950246&postcount=290):

Holmes' home town San Deigo, has military base built in swastika design, as shown in 'psy-op' theatre pic, as does Denver Int. Airport.

[Travis]

Ha ha it just gets better. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060950298&postcount=295)

hey y'all guys know that Batman bears a striking resemblence to jackal-headed Egyptian afterlife (dark night anyone?) God Anubis...?

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2131452.jpg


The shooting was in Denver Colorado

and look what they erected outside the infamous Denver Airport

http://mysteryoftheinquity.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/denver3.jpg

coincidence....?That's not even a coincidence. It is a waste of neurons to even contemplate such a stupid and contrived connection.

[Border Reiver]

A dude believing that scans will alter your DNA isn't going to be satisfied with mere facts.

[Nessie]

There is a huge security presence at every airport (obviously) and every major sporting event requires bag screening with some metal detectors. The movie theater was the last vestige of a time in America where people were free of big brother while gathered in large public concentrations.

The 24 year old shooter James Holmes was a CIA patsy for a move to new legislation and public opinion to require broad security measures at cinemas around the country. This is a wind-fall for companies like Giuliani Partners that provide private security and comes at a time when the Obama administration needs a mass hiring event for thousands of new TSA screeners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/media/cnn-ratings-decline-stirs-worries.html?pagewanted=all

Did applications to work in postal sorting offices or to go to college decrease after mass shootings there? Did truancy rise after shootings at schools? Has security risen at such places.

[Travis]

Well a lot of schools did start hiring rent-a-cops to appease worried parents. I doubt it put even an inkling of a dent in unemployment figures and most of those companies were on the verge of bankruptcy until 9/11 happened after which they found all sorts of new, important work guarding strategic gravel piles and such.


That's not a joke I had a friend in one such company that was hired to guard a giant gravel dam from terrorists who presumably were feared to have an army of excavating equipment that could, if left alone for a few months, maybe scoop out tiny bit of it.

[Travis]

Alright fair warning that by page 28 of that Icke thread they descend into Vicsims. Implying that maybe Jessica Redfield never really existed (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060951198&postcount=545).

Wow. *smh*

At first it was amusing as they seem to talk about the UN gun ban and mind control like they are real things. Now it is just infuriating.

[Crazytimes]

Alright fair warning that by page 28 of that Icke thread they descend into Vicsims. Implying that maybe Jessica Redfield never really existed (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060951198&postcount=545).

Wow. *smh*

At first it was amusing as they seem to talk about the UN gun ban and mind control like they are real things. Now it is just infuriating.

Is it wrong of me to hate people because of things like this. I mean, I just can't believe people are this stupid.

[Nessie]

Is it wrong of me to hate people because of things like this. I mean, I just can't believe people are this stupid.

No, or else I am wrong as well :D And that cannot happen.

[Crazytimes]

More garbage

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/

[dudalb]

Since Romney and Obama both hold positions that he is opposed to, he's being consistant. Likewise, I also oppose Obama and Romney (although, probably for different reasons than Jones).

However, Jones' views are so extreme and dogmatic, anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest is some NWO patsy. This makes me think that no matter who got into the White House, he'd still find something wrong with them...even if it was Ron Paul. If Ron Paul had become president, we might have seen the Alex Jones video calling him out as an Illuminati Manchurian Candidate or something.

That was the point I was trying to make. Jones see himself as some heroic rebel against THE MAN,and no matter who is in the White House Jones will spew his nonsense against him.

Just waiting for somebody to tie Senator Patrick Leahy ,head of the Senate Judiciary Commitee in on the conspiracy because he did a cameo in TDKR, just like he did in TDK.

[CORed]

Most are basing this on the timing of the shooting and this: http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/

Personally, it worries me a bit as well. I'm mostly liberal, but when it comes to guns I believe whole heartily in the second amendment. Though, I do agree we need more rigorous background checks. But then again, a black market gets passed that.

I don't think the government is above staging such a thing. Where did the college drop out get all of the money for his gear? The whole thing does seem a bit fishy.

As far as "where did he get all the money", my guess would be that he charged it all on credit cards. It's pretty easy when you have no intention of ever paying it back

[Alareth]

I'm just throwing it on the table, something to look into. I didn't check his other videos or page.

"This fits in well with the narrative I want to believe so I'm going to ignore credibility issues with the source. I'm going to continue JAQing off now"

[Alareth]

i thought he might be mentioning the Goldman Sachs orchestration of the Chilean Mine Collapse in 2010 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=190012

:hb:

[bynmdsue]

Here, those crack(ed) investigators at infowars have blown this case wide open!
http://planet.infowars.com/activism/aletrt-alert-ive-discovered-the-most-important-clue-for-aurora-investigators
This picture clearly shows the gas mask near the back door of THEATER not near his car. Funny how the police say when they approached him sitting in his car with the gas mask some reports said still attached to his face. “Also found with Holmes was a throat protector, groin protector, gas mask, black tactical gloves and other personal armor protection equipment”. If he was caught with it, why was it on the ground in back of the theater? .Here is a helicopter view of the scene showing the back door in relation to the car. The cops approaching Holmes would have seen a gas mask on the ground and the assault rifle on the ground by the door before they approached him or coming from another direction seen neither.

“There are conflicting reports as to what James Holmes was doing when he was arrested. Some say he was sitting in his car waiting, while other reports say that he was sitting on the ground outside of his car. Some are speculating that he may have been going back to his car for the second Glock .40, in an effort to kill more of the wounded people left in the theater.”

“About 30 officers arrived at the movie complex within 45 to 90 minutes from receiving the first emergency calls. James Holmes was spotted sitting in his car in the parking lot behind the theaters. He was arrested without incident.”

This is the SMOKING GUN. WE GOTEM. The police officers who made the arrest are LIARS. There is no other explanation for this inconsistency ecspecially when it is proof with the pictures and logical analysis he was NOT wearing a gas mask or in possession of one when confronted by police. These 2 officers should be arrested immediateley for suspicion of murder, tampering with evidence, filing a false police report, felony obstruction. .


CONFLICTING REPORTS! AHHHHH!!!1!

Anyways, I really like that first reply re: the exit doors. I leave thru them all the time and nothing horrible happens, it puts you in the parking lot and you don't have to file out slowly down the hall and thru the lobby with everyone else.

[dudalb]

More garbage

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/

And if you think the main article in the link was bat crap (no joke intended) crazy...and it was...wait until you read the comment section..:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

[Garrison]

He was also going to school on a grant that only 6 people in the country receive so he likely didn't have many expenses.

"Holmes, along with five other students, had his research funded by a National Institutes of Health grant aimed at training “outstanding neuroscientists and academicians who will make significant contributions to neurobiology,” the school said.

Holmes was paid a stipend of $26,000 a year under the grant, said Jacque Montgomery, a university spokeswoman, in an interview yesterday."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-22/illusions-fascinated-colorado-massacre-suspect-as-student

So not as Wollclark claimed a 'college dropout'; actually a guy with plenty of resources to put this together.

[funk de fino]

Did someone claim this was a financial disaster for Hollywood?

Orly?

$160,000,000 for a 2D film opening?

[NightStar76]

What I'm more concerned about is the media lie that the Joker had red hair. I can't recall a single instance of the Joker having anything other than green hair. Close your eyes right now, and imagine the Joker, and if you picture him with red hair, I'll pay you a billion internet dollars. No lying, now.

Anyway, the moment I knew this wasn't worth taking seriously as a theory (insofar as Alex Jones is ever worth listening to) was when Vox Day embraced it. Vox Day is the butt on the compass needle of rationality. When Vox Day agrees with a position, intelligent people nod, smile, and go the other way.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It really is sick...people like the OP live for moments like this so they can cry "CONSPIRACY!" in an attempt to look like they are the smartest person in the room and capable of deep insight that the rest of us sheeple lack.


They get excited by the idea that they've just witnessed Them™ playing their cards.

However, Jones' views are so extreme and dogmatic, anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest is some NWO patsy. This makes me think that no matter who got into the White House, he'd still find something wrong with them...even if it was Ron Paul. If Ron Paul had become president, we might have seen the Alex Jones video calling him out as an Illuminati Manchurian Candidate or something.


Alex Jones would have nothing if he wasn't ranting about his "dissatisfaction" with the world...

I do happen to think this shooting is strange.


Would you honestly feel better if you thought this mass shooting was normal? What is a "normal" mass shooting, anyway?

Alright, so... in another thread, you've essentially admitted to an awareness of possible mental illness on your part. I very strongly suggest that you exercise some self-control and refrain from posting things like the above until you seek out professional mental help. You're not going to get the help you need by making yourself a target for ridicule on this forum.

The problem is, you and your ilk are far too eager to equate "strange" with "conspiracy".


This.

I've encountered numerous bugs in videogames that I would consider "strange", but I certainly wouldn't consider the bug a deliberate addition by some dark-souled developer.

[Robrob]

So not as Wollclark claimed a 'college dropout'; actually a guy with plenty of resources to put this together.

Well to be fair, it's not like it took the wealth of Bin Laden to purchase a rifle, shotgun, two pistols, 6,300 rounds and a costume.

What I'm more concerned about is the media lie that the Joker had red hair. I can't recall a single instance of the Joker having anything other than green hair. Close your eyes right now, and imagine the Joker, and if you picture him with red hair, I'll pay you a billion internet dollars. No lying, now.

Anyway, the moment I knew this wasn't worth taking seriously as a theory (insofar as Alex Jones is ever worth listening to) was when Vox Day embraced it. Vox Day is the butt on the compass needle of rationality. When Vox Day agrees with a position, intelligent people nod, smile, and go the other way.
It's sadly predictable the uninformed, only vaguely knowing the villain had colored hair, would start repeating that claim.

[Gangularis]

What I'm more concerned about is the media lie that the Joker had red hair. I can't recall a single instance of the Joker having anything other than green hair. Close your eyes right now, and imagine the Joker, and if you picture him with red hair, I'll pay you a billion internet dollars. No lying, now.


The Joker had a red haired wig when he went to visit Harvey Dent at the hospital in the Dark Knight.. So where is my billion internet dollars?

[Travis]

Here, those crack(ed) investigators at infowars have blown this case wide open!
http://planet.infowars.com/activism/aletrt-alert-ive-discovered-the-most-important-clue-for-aurora-investigators


CONFLICTING REPORTS! AHHHHH!!!1!

Anyways, I really like that first reply re: the exit doors. I leave thru them all the time and nothing horrible happens, it puts you in the parking lot and you don't have to file out slowly down the hall and thru the lobby with everyone else.

Wow, they go straight to calling the cops murderers because they remembered things differently. That's some special reasoning there.

[MG1962]

Did someone claim this was a financial disaster for Hollywood?

Orly?

$160,000,000 for a 2D film opening?

But they were shooting for 220 million. Mind you I have a side bet with a friend that this film will have the biggest second weekend in history

[Robrob]

Wow, they go straight to calling the cops murderers because they remembered things differently. That's some special reasoning there.

It's so over the top it has to be a poe. :confused:

This is the SMOKING GUN. WE GOTEM. The police officers who made the arrest are LIARS. There is no other explanation for this inconsistency ecspecially when it is proof with the pictures and logical analysis he was NOT wearing a gas mask or in possession of one when confronted by police. These 2 officers should be arrested immediateley for suspicion of murder, tampering with evidence, filing a false police report, felony obstruction. .

[NightStar76]

The Joker had a red haired wig when he went to visit Harvey Dent at the hospital in the Dark Knight.. So where is my billion internet dollars?

Wow, okay. So, is personal check okay?

[dudalb]

Did someone claim this was a financial disaster for Hollywood?

Orly?

$160,000,000 for a 2D film opening?


The last tracking numbers for TDKR before it opened were for a 170'000'000 to 180'000'000 opening so it took a hit from the shootings,but not a big one.
It is going to probably end up making the same or a little less then The Dark Knight; a lot of people were dissapointed in it and the WOM reflects that.But Warners and DC will still make a ton of money off it.
Yeah, most studios would be happy to have a long series of disasters like TDKR.
Now John Carter and Battleship.....those were disasters for the studio involved. Disney was lucky to have The Avengers to make stockholders forget about John Carter.....

[dudalb]

But they were shooting for 220 million. Mind you I have a side bet with a friend that this film will have the biggest second weekend in history

I think ,with the lack of the income from a hefty 3D surcharge, beating the Avengers for an Opening Weekend record was never a realistic possibility. I suspect that DC/Nolan fanboys were the ones expecting that,and Warners never saw it as a realistic possiblity.

[Hans]

Sorry I haven't been here for a few days so I could have posted the following on Dvictr

DVICTR is a troll and he has plainly stated it several times. I'm sure every one can see this F grade trolling and if that doesn't alert you here is Dvictr announcing he is a troll:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=15


it's just a good joke to run with hehe, well the good news is that im done trolling this forum..


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=107


trolling by staying on topic, not spaming, not getting warnings, and not getting banned is a healthy challenge. im trying to become a better writer and apparently trolling is good practice at getting peoples attention.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...95&postcount=7

fyi.. i only troll in the conspiracy forum

Don't feed him

[Robrob]

im trying to become a better writer and apparently trolling is good practice at getting peoples attention.
Anyone tell him an even better way to becoming a better writer would be to write honestly and truthfully?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Anyone tell him an even better way to becoming a better writer would be to write honestly and truthfully?


And I'm not sure how attracting attention improves one's writing skills...

[Travis]

I had honestly forgotten about the OP.

I'm just having fun keeping up with the lunacy on Icke about this.

[aggle-rithm]

And I'm not sure how attracting attention improves one's writing skills...

If you've got attention, you don't NEED good writing skills.

Ask Dan Brown or any of the other successful writers in his league.

[aggle-rithm]

Ha ha it just gets better. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060950298&postcount=295)

That's not even a coincidence. It is a waste of neurons to even contemplate such a stupid and contrived connection.

Wasn't Anubis in a movie with Kevin Bacon...?

[jimfish]

Sure enough, it creeps slowly off the internet and into an actual news studio. A Fox News affiliate is "just asking questions" in the amusingly named "Reality Check" (http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre), pushing a "second gunman" angle. Seems to just be a re-hash of the Health Ranger's talking points. (http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html)

I don't understand why people seem to be so hung up on why Holmes would tell cops about his apartment being rigged with explosives, as if it's some big mystery; he's a notoriety-seeking braggart who couldn't resist boasting to cops how clever he'd been, and all about the elaborate death trap that'd he spent days, weeks or months assembling. What's the mystery?

The reporter promises to "bring you more" on these unanswered questions "coming up in the next few weeks." Great. Looking forward to the corpse of a long since beaten horse being dragged out and passed off as journalism.

[twinstead]

I'm curious. Unless one believes that it is impossible for a crazy person to go on a shooting rampage for no reason with no false flag involved, what criteria exactly do people like Alex Jones use to decide if something is a false flag or not?

Sounds to me he just calls everything a false flag in hopes that he gets one right eventually.

[Crazytimes]

I'm curious. Unless one believes that it is impossible for a crazy person to go on a shooting rampage for no reason with no false flag involved, what criteria exactly do people like Alex Jones use to decide if something is a false flag or not?

Sounds to me he just calls everything a false flag in hopes that he gets one right eventually.

He uses a very strict set of parameters to determine if it is a false flag event.

They are -

Any attack at all against anyone or anything.

That's it really.

[JayUtah]

Sounds to me he just calls everything a false flag in hopes that he gets one right eventually.

Bud: Hippie, you think everything's a conspiracy.
Hippie: Everything is.

--The Abyss.

That's pretty much the idea. Convey the overall impression that the world is run behind the scenes by a sinister, well-organized gang. That way when you find something you think is evidence of impropriety, tell everyone how clever you were to have found it despite their best efforts to conceal it. For everything else, just claim that unnamed insider sources have told you it's true, and if you revealed your source they'd kill you.

Paranoia for ProfitTM.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Sure enough, it creeps slowly off the internet and into an actual news studio. A Fox News affiliate is "just asking questions" in the amusingly named "Reality Check" (http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre), pushing a "second gunman" angle.


Maybe it's just me, but "was there a second gunman" seems to be a very popular question any time there's a mass shooting. I've seen it pop up in mainstream news, even if it's for a very short time. It's almost as if it's a requirement.

Although, really, I think it may stem from a lot of peoples' inability to accept that one person could cause so much harm.

[Travis]

Some people have an aversion to any lone gunman. They just think that any horrible event must be caused by a larger group of people.

Of course what is also crazy is that they also attribute all natural disasters to the same group. Implying that Earth, for some reason, hasn't had a real natural disaster in some time. Making me wonder what's preventing volcanoes from blowing their top and fault lines from shifting on their own.

[JayUtah]

Maybe it's just me, but "was there a second gunman" seems to be a very popular question any time there's a mass shooting. I've seen it pop up in mainstream news, even if it's for a very short time. It's almost as if it's a requirement.

I live just a few blocks from Trolley Square (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting) [wiki link to 2007 shooting incident] and in fact arrived there unawares to do some shopping about 20 minutes after the shooting occurred. The entire block was cordoned off, and when my companion and I tried to take refuge in nearby businesses we found they had locked the front doors in response to a rumor that there was a second gunman. The police were conducting a vigorous manhunt for this "second shooter" until it was determined that what witnesses identified as that was actually the off-duty police officer who was in the mall at the time and cornered the lone gunman.

Initial eyewitness testimony of a happenstance event is always fragmentary, contradictory, and often just plain wrong. Conspiracy theorists, of course, have absolutely no understanding of how eyewitness testimony really works. I guess that's why they habitually get the wrong answer.

[jimfish]

Initial eyewitness testimony of a happenstance event is always fragmentary, contradictory, and often just plain wrong. Conspiracy theorists, of course, have absolutely no understanding of how eyewitness testimony really works. I guess that's why they habitually get the wrong answer.

If only they'd brush up on their parables... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant#The_story)

"O how they cling and wrangle...
...For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing."

[Hans]

Yes Jay that goes along with the military truism

'The first report is always wrong'

[LSSBB]

Yes Jay that goes along with the military truism

'The first report is always wrong'

There is a good NPR article on that w.r.t. Afghanistan:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/07/25/157368490/reporters-notebook-in-afghanistan-facts-are-difficult-to-pin-down

[Robrob]

Some people have an aversion to any lone gunman. They just think that any horrible event must be caused by a larger group of people.

Large group seems less random and scary than lone gunmen?

[bynmdsue]

James Holmes, accused of killing a dozen people at a midnight screening of “The Dark Knight Rises,” wants to know how the film ended.

“Did you see the movie?” a creepy-sounding Holmes asked a stunned jail worker during a bizarre exchange Tuesday. “How does it end?”

Holmes, his eyes glazed and his voice flat, repeated the question when the worker ignored him, according to another jail employee who witnessed the incident in the infirmary.

Holmes, a 24-year-old ex-honor student, “was trying to look like he was sincerely curious,” the witness recounted to the Daily News.

“Like he had no idea why there was anything wrong with what he was saying. It was sick ... I think he’s trying real hard to act crazy.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-massacre-suspect-movie-ended-article-1.1121478#ixzz21n0dsWwP

Accused mass murderer James Holmes told jailhouse workers that he remains stumped about what landed him in a Colorado lockup, a jail staffer told the Daily News.

“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289#ixzz21n10iK9S

Now, I don't know whether to believe what gets published in the NYDN but MKULTRA!!!MKULTRA!!1!/CTist

James Holmes is such a goddamn *******.

[MattusMaximus]

Homeland Security is going to jump on this and Obama will find a way to hire thousands of unemployed to be Cinema Security Screeners .xray machines and bag checks at every cinema.. maybe even require ID to watch a movie. this is could be a windfall for the security industry.

Not sure if serious.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_77474fe2786384536.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=26412)

[Noztradamus]

If you shoot up a movie theatre, you didn't make that, someone made it happen.

[dvictr]

will there be a full crime-scene reconstruction? will they attempt to map out the position of every victim and the steps the gunman took?

[JayUtah]

Yes Jay that goes along with the military truism

'The first report is always wrong'

In forensic engineering investigations of happenstance events, I find that witness testimony varies widely, and is sometimes consciously altered for various reasons.

[Hans]

In forensic engineering investigations of happenstance events, I find that witness testimony varies widely, and is sometimes consciously altered for various reasons.

Yes a few years ago I ran into an old Army buddy of mine. We started telling stories and we noted that our memory of a number of instances were very different. One incident we had both been involved in had been well documented so as a matter of interest we went thru the FOIA to obtain the report of that incident...we were both wrong! ...or was the report wrong? lol

[JayUtah]

There are numerous unconscious factors that affect the recall of a happenstance event. One of the most noteworthy is the propensity to create a coherent picture or narrative out of the details we witness. Unfortunately this leads to suppressing the recall of details that don't fit the narrative, and to manufacturing details that do. The narrative is king.

There are semi-conscious factors too, such as silently conforming in later testimony to what we hear or believe from others, despite having previously testified. Memory is highly suggestible.

And there are conscious factors. I habitually run into the Eager Witness ("I'm a good witness because I remember so much.") Lawyers hate those. They don't really remember, but they're willing to speculate in order to please the investigator or make it seem like they're cooperating.

There's the Attention Seeker ("I didn't really see anything, but I want to be important.") I dislike these guys too.

There's the Shill ("If I don't say what my supervisor wants me to, I'll get fired.") This guy will outright lie, but strictly out of self-preservation. Give him the proper safety net and he'll be good.

There's the Fearful Witness ("They're looking for a scapegoat so I'm covering up anything I might have been doing wrong.") And the sad thing is, the problem hardly ever turns out to be anything one of these guys did.

And so forth. The ways in which early testimony can be unreliable could probably fill a book. Oh wait, it has filled several. :rolleyes:

[CORed]

The Joker had a red haired wig when he went to visit Harvey Dent at the hospital in the Dark Knight.. So where is my billion internet dollars?

Unfortunately one internet dollar is worth 10 E -15 real dollars, so there isn't a coin small enough to pay you

[dudalb]

Not quite Conspiracy related,but Armand White's rant blames Christopher Nolan for the shootings....
http://cityarts.info/2012/07/25/cultures-clash/

WHite has a real deserved reputation for being a kind of Troll who posts inflammatory opinions on film for the sole purpose of outraging people but he really reaches new heights of idiocy with this column.

[derchin]

Browsing though the internet on the Tragedy in Colorado (Since I was in the dark for most of it), I stumbled on a some videos, links and comments suggesting that the shooting was a cover-up, apparently to make way for tighter gun laws or more control for the government. Take a look below:


http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/481968_10150997804001298_1487600652_n.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcE0V5jVJY&feature=player_embedded




How did he know how to wire all the traps and bombs in his apartment?

Why was there a gas mask found at the other end of the theater than where they caught him?

How did he know where to park his car if the theater had 3 showings of the dark knight at midnight?

Why did they stop allowing cameras into the courtroom?

Have you ever been to a huge rock concert? The security is extremely tight, with thuggish guards and security positioned in all strategic points of the concert hall. There hasn't been a prominent theater shooting in the USA since Lincoln's assassination, more than a century ago. With a large, unassuming crowd being jam-packed into a small area, it was one of few situations where you can kill a few dozen people, easily. Plus, millions lined up to see that movie on the night it came out, making it a perfect timeframe for killing innocent civilians.

Call me crazy, but these recent events are starting to make me suspect something is afoot. I just read a thread that was showing how Google recently mentioned that Holmes had two roommates living with him. When OP checked for previous information stating that the psycho lived alone, previous articles he had bookmarked were erased from history.


And here was my take:

How? To achieve what exactly? Tighter restrictions at movie theaters? That would've happened conspiracy or not. And what does tighter rules at movies something to be gained by the government? If it was a conspiracy, he would've attacked Washington or some government building. Hell, even go after the president and his cabinet.

Why does every tragic event have to be tied with some sort of an elaborate conspiracy? Why can't it just be based on luck, timing and preparation?


9/11
The moon landings
JFK
Vaccines
Jet Trails
Harrp
Illuminati


Seriously, we don't need anymore wacky alternatives.



Thoughts? Opinions?

[carlitos]

Thoughts? Opinions?

Another merge coming? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=240322)

[LSSBB]

Why does every tragic event have to be tied with some sort of an elaborate conspiracy? Why can't it just be based on luck, timing and preparation?[/I]


9/11
The moon landings
JFK
Vaccines
Jet Trails
Harrp
Illuminati


Seriously, we don't need anymore wacky alternatives.



Thoughts? Opinions?

What was tragic about the moon landings, aside from a failure to maintain the momentum of the program?

[BStrong]

There will be various right or left CT interpetations of any event.

I know folks that believe that the fast and furious ATF operation is a conspiracy to eliminate private firearms ownership, and I spent a good bit of time yesterday talking a friend off the ledge about the Aurora shootings - he believes that Obama is going to use Aurora as a pretext to ban all semi-auto firearms - and this isn't some uneducated redneck, this is a big time Silicon Valley VC. He has the financial werewithal to live anywhere he chooses, and is now planning to leave The U.S. if what he fears comes about.

[Travis]

There will be various right or left CT interpetations of any event.

I know folks that believe that the fast and furious ATF operation is a conspiracy to eliminate private firearms ownership, and I spent a good bit of time yesterday talking a friend off the ledge about the Aurora shootings - he believes that Obama is going to use Aurora as a pretext to ban all semi-auto firearms - and this isn't some uneducated redneck, this is a big time Silicon Valley VC. He has the financial werewithal to live anywhere he chooses, and is now planning to leave The U.S. if what he fears comes about.

He would rather go live in some third world hellhole than give up his guns? Because first world countries that allow loads of guns are notorious for not letting new people in.

[BStrong]

He would rather go live in some third world hellhole than give up his guns? Because first world countries that allow loads of guns are notorious for not letting new people in.

First world countries generally welcome new people with boatloads of assets.

He's looking at Switzerland.

VC isn't a business that's locality dependent.

[Myron Proudfoot]

Why does that remind me of the righties that said they'd move to Canada when the SC upheld the Health Care Law???? "I hate 'socialized medicine' so I'm moving to Canada!"

[BStrong]

Why does that remind me of the righties that said they'd move to Canada when the SC upheld the Health Care Law???? "I hate 'socialized medicine' so I'm moving to Canada!"

Lot's of Hollywood philosophers said they'd leave the U.S. if Bush was elected.

[Straw Man]

Gawsh, the fun never starts stops with the CTs.

It seems that the CIA are behind every crime of the 20th Century at least. Hell, they even stole my lunch one day.

If I were the CIA, I would have thrown in the towel long ago.

They're either encouraging Americans to arm themselves (alleged terrorists everywhere) or taking the right to bear arms away (supposed random shootings).

Apparently, nobody anywhere would do anything bad unless they were in the power of the CIA/NWO.

[marplots]

More guns. Fewer movies.

Support your local, grassroots "straight to DVD" organization!

[kevsta]

of course it wasnt the government, but I do think there may have been more than one person involved, I saw a report on TV right after it interviewing 3 separate witnesses with the same story, all describing his actions at the emergency exit, and then gas canisters and bullets flying from more than one place.

reasonable round up of info on this here (http://lightfortruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/aurora-shooting-multiple-suspects-conflicting-reports/)

[jimfish]

of course it wasnt the government, but I do think there may have been more than one person involved, I saw a report on TV right after it interviewing 3 separate witnesses with the same story, all describing his actions at the emergency exit, and then gas canisters and bullets flying from more than one place.

reasonable round up of info on this here (http://lightfortruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/aurora-shooting-multiple-suspects-conflicting-reports/)

It seems a couple of those early beliefs into a second shooter probably stem from confusion over the shots that penetrated through the wall of theatre 9 and into theatre 8 next door. The guy describing "different multiple calibers" would be right; Holmes swapped weapons during his assault. Cameron wasn't in theatre 9, but theatre 8, so didn't see the attack, and could only hear it.

[kevsta]

It seems a couple of those early beliefs into a second shooter probably stem from confusion over the shots that penetrated through the wall of theatre 9 and into theatre 8 next door. The guy describing "different multiple calibers" would be right; Holmes swapped weapons during his assault. Cameron wasn't in theatre 9, but theatre 8, so didn't see the attack, and could only hear it.

ok, cheers.

[LSSBB]

Gawsh, the fun never starts stops with the CTs.

It seems that the CIA are behind every crime of the 20th Century at least. Hell, they even stole my lunch one day.

If I were the CIA, I would have thrown in the towel long ago.

They're either encouraging Americans to arm themselves (alleged terrorists everywhere) or taking the right to bear arms away (supposed random shootings).

Apparently, nobody anywhere would do anything bad unless they were in the power of the CIA/NWO.

Straw Man, I read your post with Ray Bolger's voice and it is just awesome.

[Axxman300]

Yes a few years ago I ran into an old Army buddy of mine. We started telling stories and we noted that our memory of a number of instances were very different. One incident we had both been involved in had been well documented so as a matter of interest we went thru the FOIA to obtain the report of that incident...we were both wrong! ...or was the report wrong? lol

I've been working on a book. One chapter deals with the follow-on unit's initial arrival at Rio Hato in Panama on 12/20/89. The nobody I've talked to from that unit, nor from the two Ranger battalions can tell me when the first two C-130s arrived. I know it was still dark. Seven different men, not one can give me a time.

Why? Because they were busy not getting shot.

That's why after action reports take forever.

[Axxman300]

Let's run down the list:

Citing original unverified reports - Check.
CIA must be behind it - Check.

When suspect's profile doesn't fall into standard box:


Assume he is a patsy
Assume he is a CIA patsy
Assume he is a patsy to push a scary agenda
Assume there is no way suspect could have done the crime without training


Alex Jones - Check
Link to other BS conspiracies which have nothing to do with Colorado, or each other. Link to Reichstag fire - Check.

Conspiracy Loon Playbook all the way.

[freud]

Conspiracy Loon Playbook all the way.

That's just what they want you to think! :xrolleyes

[Crazytimes]

I can't remember where this was but somewhere in the US. An officer pulled a car over and as he walked up to the car, someone opened fire on him from the car. He returned fire killing the suspect. When he was interviewed they asked him how many shots he fired. His answer was 3 or 4. He actually fired 14 which means he went through an entire magazine and reloaded. It just goes to show you how in a chaotic life or death situation you are in a panic, have adrenaline pumping through your body and can be completely off on what you recall happened.

[Captain_Swoop]

If he was a 'patsy' why let him live? why not have him die in a hail of police bullets or have him shoot himself?

[twinstead]

If he was a 'patsy' why let him live? why not have him die in a hail of police bullets or have him shoot himself?

The NWO works in mysterious ways ;)

[I Ratant]

Jack Ruby.

[mikeyx]

this shooting is really a disaster for the Hollywood Industrial Complex. They are set to lose millions of dollars over this. I bet they had an emergency meeting last night to access the situation and initiate a damage control process to limit the ticket sale loses.

President Obama will go on record as saying.. "America needs to move forward, go out and watch Batman twice, buy that XL popcorn/soda"

actually its a tradegy for those who got shot and their families. You are kind rubbing salt in the wound with your insanity.

[mikeyx]

Homeland Security is going to jump on this and Obama will find a way to hire thousands of unemployed to be Cinema Security Screeners .xray machines and bag checks at every cinema.. maybe even require ID to watch a movie. this is could be a windfall for the security industry.

nope, you're sounding silly.

[mikeyx]

Can't argue with this logic from Icke: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217473)



How exactly was this "important" to "them?"

divixcritter is a reptilian, that explains everything, expecially the smell.

[wollclark]

Jack Ruby.

Okay?

[twinstead]

I could say those folks must be idiots or crazy, but that of course would be a false dichotomy; they can indeed be idiots AND crazy.

[jimfish]

New rule: It isn't a bona fide conspiracy until you can make use of an Illuminati! card.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4224/illuminatishootingcolor.jpg

That they can present this with a straight face is amusing.

It's a pity that the conspiracy theorists don't recognise the fact that the building in the background is the fictional D'Aubainne International Airport from "Over the Edge", another card game series.

[freud]

New rule: It isn't a bona fide conspiracy until you can make use of an Illuminati! card.

Maybe it's because I haven't breathed in enough chemtrails or swallowed enough fluoride, but I can't even begin to wrap my head around the conspiracy angle here.

Is the narrative supposed to be that in the early to mid 90s, some Illuminati agent phoned Steve Jackson Cards, all like, "IN 20 OR SO YEARS THERE WILL BE A SHOOTING AT THIS PARTICULAR MOVIE THEATER. DRAW IT VAGUELY, OR ELSE"?

I'm not even trying to make fun, I'm just truly baffled at the entire concept.

[Biscuit]

actually its a tradegy for those who got shot and their families. You are kind rubbing salt in the wound with your insanity.


Not to mention that the "Hollywood industrial complex" made a killing on this movie. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-box-office-dark-knight-risesmt1thewrap50796-20120804,0,803146.story)


No pun intended.

[Her Grey Eminence]

I recall seeing the head of a local gun club saying he received an email from the alleged killer asking for membership and that he called his number but was put off by the growling guttural voice on the answer phone. I assume this is a reference to the Joker's persona?

Many young people these days don't have home phones these days - but since it is unlikely to have had the opportunity to change the message, did anyone in the media ring his number[s] and experience this disturbing answer phone message?

Is this claim by the local gun club head true - or just a mentally ill gun nut seeking his 15 minutes of fame?

[mikeyx]

There's something very sick about the mindset of the CTists who get excited by tragedy.

that.

[mikeyx]

will there be a full crime-scene reconstruction? will they attempt to map out the position of every victim and the steps the gunman took?

this kind of idiocy is just offensive.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Maybe it's because I haven't breathed in enough chemtrails or swallowed enough fluoride, but I can't even begin to wrap my head around the conspiracy angle here.

Is the narrative supposed to be that in the early to mid 90s, some Illuminati agent phoned Steve Jackson Cards, all like, "IN 20 OR SO YEARS THERE WILL BE A SHOOTING AT THIS PARTICULAR MOVIE THEATER. DRAW IT VAGUELY, OR ELSE"?

I'm not even trying to make fun, I'm just truly baffled at the entire concept.


Maybe the Illuminati/NWO are getting all their ideas from these card games. :p

[wollclark]

Why was the gas mask found so far from the theater exit and the car?

[TheRedWorm]

Why was the gas mask found so far from the theater exit and the car?


I'm going to go with: "who cares?"

[Robrob]

Why was the gas mask found so far from the theater exit and the car?
It's CT 101; with the benefit of hindsight reexamine every minor trivial thing imaginable, paying special attention to coincidences, confusion or (God forbid) mistakes.

[Dcdrac]

Why was the gas mask found so far from the theater exit and the car?

The Smurfs put it there........

[wollclark]

So, ignore incongruities. Got it.

[Crazytimes]

So, ignore incongruities. Got it.

Why don't you tell us why it was found there ?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why was the gas mask found so far from the theater exit and the car?


How far is "so far"? Is it within reasonable throwing distance?

[wollclark]

This is a map of evidence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/aurora-colorado-theater-shooting/

[bynmdsue]

Maybe he threw it. Maybe it got kicked along the ground by people fleeing. Maybe...it was tossed out the window of the real killer's getaway car as he sped away leaving the doped patsy behind!

Consider the first two before jumping to the third.

[BStrong]

So, ignore incongruities. Got it.

An incongruity of substance (shell casings recovered from a firearm not recovered at the scene, recovered projectiles likewise) is one thing, the gas mask location is easily explainable, as other posters have noted.

[Robrob]

So, ignore incongruities. Got it.

No, use common sense and Occam's Razor to figure out the reason for incongruities rather than leaping immediately to "conspiracy!"

The gas mask was found at the corner of the theater (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/aurora-colorado-theater-shooting/), about 25 car widths from the emergency exit. Notice the mask was found along with "additional evidence and blood stains?" For all you know the shooter chased a victim down to the corner before returning to his car. Or, it could not even have been his mask at all but belonged to another costumed movie goer who dropped it while fleeing the scene.

We don't know (yet) but there are any number of explanations, all more rational than "conspiracy!" yet that is the first answer some people choose.

[Rebel Yellow]

Everybody, stop polluting the argument with facts and perfectly explainable answers.

[Her Grey Eminence]

Everybody, stop polluting the argument with facts and perfectly explainable answers.

They are indeed explanations and lets hope we find which one was true. But all the guy did here was ask some questions.

I have never been to the cinema at the states - is it normal to take along gasmasks? Even to Batman premiers? I am not saying it isn't, just asking - because if it isn't we could tentatively eliminate that explanation - yes?

BTW - I fully expect Holmes to plead guilty with an insanity plea bargain, if its on offer.

[triforcharity]

It's not unusual for movie goers to dress in costume for an opening of a movie.

It's occurred on a GRAND scale for pretty much EVERY Harry Potter movie. Hell, people even dress up like characters from Harry Potter when attending Universal Studios in Orlando, which has an entire area dedicated to HP.

So no, it's not unusual, especially for highly anticipated movie premieres like Batman, Superman, Incredible Hulk, The Avengers, etc. etc. etc.

[Her Grey Eminence]

It's not unusual for movie goers to dress in costume for an opening of a movie.

It's occurred on a GRAND scale for pretty much EVERY Harry Potter movie. Hell, people even dress up like characters from Harry Potter when attending Universal Studios in Orlando, which has an entire area dedicated to HP.

So no, it's not unusual, especially for highly anticipated movie premieres like Batman, Superman, Incredible Hulk, The Avengers, etc. etc. etc.

So it seems to me a DNA test on the breathing apparatus of the mask in question would tell us if it was Mr Holmes's or some third party.

And if it wasn't we could ponder the question of whether a lot of people were wearing fancy dress at Aurora or not and if this particular gas mask was a probable item to have been worn. After all, if it was a valuable gas mask someone might have come forward by now and said "Oi, I dropped that gas mask and I need to give it back to work or I'll be in trouble."

So a DNA profile would be a good idea (alas if you want to, even DNA evidence can be tampered with quite easily - luckily as I said, I already expect Mr Holmes to take a plea bargain, so its just pure curiosity on my part.)