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Jedi Knight
14th March 2003, 08:57 AM
A classified report (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/14/MN22108.DTL) was issued by the US State Department regarding Iraq. Even though I have not read the report, it is clear that those who are leaking segments of it to the leftist media are doing so to attack President Bush's intent on spreading democracy in the Middle East.

The report was "classified", I believe, so that it could "air" a level of credibility that it does not possess. If it is such a striking and damning report, make it open-source and let some intellectuals take a look at it.

The logic used in the report, based upon the comments by "officials" who leaked parts of it, is directly attacking turning Iraq into a democracy. Peering into some of those quotes, it becomes clear how they are filled with status-quo old-thinking leftism. For example, the report says:

1) Freeing Iraqi citizens will not allow democracy to take root because of the socio-economic damage to Iraq.

2) That Islamic extremists would use the democratic process to subvert an emerging democracy in Iraq.

3) That the "domino theory" for spreading democracy in the middle east is doomed to failure.

Those are three of perhaps a journal full of attacks made in the report, and "classifying" it doesn't add the report any credibility. You could "classify" the agenda of global communists and that certainly wouldn't add credibility to their viewpoints either.

Here, in a nutshell, is how this biased report can be used against the authors. If the Middle East is so "resistant" to change, as the authors quote, and if it is "pointless" to change dictatorial regimes and replace them with democracies, then why did the United States bother to do away with the Nazi regime? Why did we bother to do away with Japanese Empire? Why did we bother to attack Serbia and grab Milosovich? Why did we bother to confront the terror collective of the former Soviet Union?

Above all else, using the logic of the authors of the report, why bother giving the Palestinian Authority any credibility? Israel might as well scrap all negotiations with the Palestinians since the "classified" report discharged by the State Department seeks to convince with pseudo-enlightenment that no political involvement in the region leads to positive change. If that is true, that gives Israel the green-light to deal with the Palestinian issue out of a formal political construct.

In the State Department's leftist haste to attack President Bush's intent on the middle east, an idea the left understood increasingly that it could not ignore because of Bush's overwhelming credibility in just bringing the idea up, the left steps forward with old thought and geopolitical apathy.

The report quotes economic problems that democracy would find difficult to overcome--dictatorships deliberately create economic disparities in their internal populations. That is what dictatorships do. The populations under dictatorships are slaves. There is no economic parity for slaves.

Make the report public. A concealed leftist attack with a "classified" stamp on it only pulls intellectuals forward and makes them ponder what is going on inside the US State Department. I say that because there are no Islamic democracies in the Middle East, and for the US State Department to advise the President of the United States to allow the status quo there is pretty laughable. The State Department should have named their report: "The Protection of Terror States".

JK

DrBenway
14th March 2003, 09:11 AM
Democracy may not be fully possible in Iraq. A benevolent dictatorship which allows a free press and supports human rights would still be much better than the status quo.

to add: Egypt is one model. They have, essentially, a monarchy (Mubarak is grooming his son for the "presidential" role). A monarchy system can allow for the development of an independent parliment over time.

pps: "Democracy" is a shibboleth that means "anti-Islam" to many Muslim ears. I don't think the West ought to emphasize an interest in spreading democracy. I would put the emphasis upon basic human rights.

Smalso
14th March 2003, 10:53 AM
But I am afraid that introducing democracy to any country would also subject them to the brain-washing and mind control of the matriarchal totalitarinism and Commie, left-wing, liberal biased media that the American form of Democracy seems to breed.

Jedi Knight
14th March 2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Smalso
But I am afraid that introducing democracy to any country would also subject them to the brain-washing and mind control of the matriarchal totalitarinism and Commie, left-wing, liberal biased media that the American form of Democracy seems to breed.

Every society has its drawbacks.

JK

Smalso
14th March 2003, 01:35 PM
But why would we want to install our brand of feminazi, left-wing, commie, matriarchal totalitarianism on the Iraqis? Do we hate them that much?

Jedi Knight
14th March 2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Smalso
But why would we want to install our brand of feminazi, left-wing, commie, matriarchal totalitarianism on the Iraqis? Do we hate them that much?

We keep those ideological perversions in line. I am sure that Iraq will manage the same.

JK

Smalso
14th March 2003, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Knight


We keep those ideological perversions in line. I am sure that Iraq will manage the same.

JK

Obviously not. It has taken over our entire society. If you don't believe me just check out the writings of Jedi Knight in the JREF Forum!

corplinx
14th March 2003, 04:54 PM
Jedi, the document might be correct. We have a good example to look at of Pakistan. We pressured Mussaref to hold elections and the people elected mostly radicals. Now we are telling him to hold his power exclusively.

In Iraq we could have the same situation if we try to turn them into a republic too soon.

Jedi Knight
14th March 2003, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Smalso


Obviously not. It has taken over our entire society. If you don't believe me just check out the writings of Jedi Knight in the JREF Forum!

I am a Jedi. My writings are important.

JK

Jedi Knight
14th March 2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
Jedi, the document might be correct. We have a good example to look at of Pakistan. We pressured Mussaref to hold elections and the people elected mostly radicals. Now we are telling him to hold his power exclusively.

In Iraq we could have the same situation if we try to turn them into a republic too soon.

When reports are classified it is generally to protect sources and methods.

However, one method seeping from this has been deliberate leaks of the report to support leftist spin on the US response to the outrageous attacks and those things that are undermining our national security.

I could take the talking points from that report and apply them to any fascist regime that the United States has liquidated in the last century. There are countless examples.

There was no reason to classify this report. It should have been thrown out there into the swimming pool of ideas so intellectuals could look at it. There is nothing to hide. If it was a position to influence policy, it should be out in the open. If it is credible it would stand on its own.

It was "classified" because it is suspect. It was "classified" because it seeks to marginalize US power proactively and sap the will of our national leaders. It was written for those "at the top", whatever that means to a non-communist nation-state system like the United States.

Since when is the United States concerned about fascist regimes that are "economically disparaged", that have "burgeoning youth populations", and those that are "non-conducive to democracy". Those are communist, anti-freedom positions. That is something I would have expected to hear from Kruzchev's people, not the US State Department. A fascist system naturally isn't "conducive" to democracy. That is why you go in and change it. You don't say: "These are the effects--we had better not get involved." What kind of nonsense Chamberlainism is that?

It is a matter of will. Freedom requires endless intervention. Believe it.

JK

Questioninggeller
14th March 2003, 08:53 PM
it is clear that those who are leaking segments of it to the leftist media are doing so to attack President Bush's intent on spreading democracy in the Middle East.

You're joking democracy, they are going to get a dictator in there who preaches democracy and appears to democratic to the west, but is really just a U.S. yes-man.

I really wish it was for democracy, but the no matter the right or the left, they are all politicians trying to [fill in th blank].