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zakur
14th March 2003, 01:25 PM
Universe as Doughnut: New Data, New Debate (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/11/science/space/11COSM.html)
(NYT online - may require registration)Long ago in the dawn of the computer age, college students often whiled away the nights playing a computer game called Spacewar. It consisted of two rocket ships attempting to blast each other out of the sky with torpedoes while trying to avoid falling into a star at the center of the screen.

Although cartoonish in appearance, the game was amazingly faithful to the laws of physics, complete with a gravitational field that affected both the torpedoes and the rockets. Only one feature seemed outlandish: a ship that drifted off the edge of the screen would reappear on the opposite side.
Real space couldn't work that way.

Or could it?

Imagine that the Spacewar screen is wrapped around to form a cylinder or a section of a doughnut so that the two edges meet.

That is the picture of space, some cosmologists say, that has been suggested by a new detailed map of the early universe. Their analysis of this map has now provided a series of hints — though only hints — that the universe may have a more complicated shape than astronomers presumed.

Rather than being infinite in all directions, as the most fashionable theory suggests, the universe could be radically smaller in one direction than the others. As a result it may be even be shaped like a doughnut.

"There's a hint in the data that if you traveled far and fast in the direction of the constellation Virgo, you'd return to Earth from the opposite direction," said Dr. Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

14th March 2003, 01:30 PM
Does that mean Homer Simpson is God? :eek:

fishbob
14th March 2003, 01:51 PM
There's a hint in the data that if you traveled far and fast in the direction of the constellation Virgo, you'd return to Earth from the opposite direction," said Dr. Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the University of Pennsylvania. Does this explain the increasing rate of expansion of the universe and get rid of the need for dark matter? Is our regular old gravity just pulling on our regular old mass from the opposite side, around the curve of the donut?

bignickel
14th March 2003, 02:16 PM
Stephen Hawking: "I am intrigued by your theory of a donut shaped universe, Homer; I might have to steal it."

Brown
14th March 2003, 02:40 PM
And that, my liege, is how we know the universe to be doughnut-shaped.

This new learning amazes me.

14th March 2003, 02:43 PM
(Apologies to Douglas Adams)

Does that mean we must now live in fear of The Coming of the Great White Coffee Cup??!?

espritch
14th March 2003, 03:18 PM
The universe, son, is shaped like a bum.
It's round and it's wide with a crease on one side.

And here's the thing, what you call the Big Bang,
that infamous blast, was just a passing of gas.

rwald
14th March 2003, 05:28 PM
But wait: If topologists can't tell the difference between a donut and a coffee cup, how do we know that the universe isn't actually a coffee cup? That would explain what the "dark matter" is.

BillyJoe
15th March 2003, 08:32 AM
Imagine that the Space..... is wrapped around to form a cylinder or a section of a doughnut Why has everyone ignored the "cylinder".....

Could space be a string both microscopically and macroscopically?

shemp
15th March 2003, 08:46 AM
Where's the jelly filling?

arcticpenguin
15th March 2003, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by shemp
Where's the jelly filling?
You are the jelly filling.

Theodore Kurita
15th March 2003, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin

You are the jelly filling.

Oh, lets see here, do you want some more jelly with that?

rwald
15th March 2003, 02:33 PM
BillyJoe, do you mean, could space be infinite in one direction but finite in the other direction? I don't know. It sounds sort of weird (totally finite or totally infinite make sense, but half and half?). Of course, this wouldn't be the first time that something non-intuitive came out of physics. Maybe someone else can give a more definite answer?

BillyJoe
15th March 2003, 04:38 PM
I wasn't really thinking about that, I just thought it would interesting if there were strings at both ends of the spectrum.