Male sweat makes women happy

[arcticpenguin]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=570&ncid=753&e=4&u=/nm/20030314/sc_nm/health_perspiration_dc

Biologists at the University of Pennsylvania said they found male perspiration had a surprisingly beneficial effect on women's moods. It helps reduce stress, induces relaxation and even affects the menstrual cycle.

[espritch]

And yet, I can't help but think that "Hey babe! Want to snif my arm pit?" still isn't going to become a popular pickup line.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by espritch
And yet, I can't help but think that "Hey babe! Want to snif my arm pit?" still isn't going to become a popular pickup line.

funnily enough, that's what my wife says. i don't use deodorant.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

And something else makes them feel even better!!

(I kept the article, but don't have the link anymore. It was in the paper about a year ago)

Hormones in Semen Shown to Make Women Feel Good
Wed Jun 26, 2:09 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Hormones in semen may help to ease female depression because women whose partners don't use condoms are less likely to feel down.

Scientists at the State University of New York suspect the mood-altering hormones are absorbed through the vagina and make women feel good but they stressed that their results are not an excuse for unprotected sex.
"I want to make it clear that we are not advocating that people abstain from using condoms," Gordon Gallup, who led the study, told New Scientist magazine on Wednesday.
"Clearly an unwanted pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease would more than offset any advantageous psychological effects of semen," he added.
The researchers assessed the moods of 300 female students using a standard questionnaire. A score of more than 17 was considered moderately depressed.
Women whose partners never used condoms scored about eight on the test while those who never had sex without condoms scored 11.3. Women who weren't having sex at all scored about 13.5.
Depression in the students who sometimes or never used condoms was more severe the longer they went without sex.
The scientists said they looked at other factors, such as the use of oral contraceptives, frequency of sex and personality type, but found that none could account for the findings.
The magazine said the results are not a complete surprise because scientists know that semen contains several mood-altering hormones including testosterone.
"Some of these have been detected in a woman's blood within hours of exposure to semen," the magazine said.
The scientists suspect semen will have the same effect on women regardless of how they are exposed to it.

:eek:

[zakur]

And remember last year there was that study that concluded that semen has anti-depressant properties (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12049024&dopt=Abstract).

Sounds like the key to a woman's happiness is a hot, sweaty, ejaculating man. ;)

[garys_2k]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
And something else makes them feel even better!!

(I kept the article, but don't have the link anymore. It was in the paper about a year ago)

Hormones in Semen Shown to Make Women Feel Good
...

Could it be administered orally?

[rwald]

It would also be key to the man's happiness. ;)

[a_unique_person]

was this study done ethically?



In a study to be published in the journal Biology of Reproduction, researchers collected samples from the underarms of men who refrained from using deodorant for four weeks. The extracts were then blended and applied to the upper lips of 18 women, aged 25 to 45.

There was no sign women were sexually aroused by male perspiration. In fact, the women never suspected they had men's sweat under their noses and believed they were helping to test alcohol, perfume or lemon floor wax.

[rwald]

It's not that disgusting. Besides, if you volunteer for a study involving psychology, you should know that the researchers may not be fully honest about their true goals. After all, if you want it to be a completely blind study, the less the subjects know, the better.

[Denise]

I actually enjoy the scent of most sweaty men. Others make me want to vomit. I wonder why some give off a pleasant scent (for my nose anyhow) and others make me ill? Is it the same for men?

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by Denise
I actually enjoy the scent of most sweaty men. Others make me want to vomit. I wonder why some give off a pleasant scent (for my nose anyhow) and others make me ill? Is it the same for men?

The nicer peoples sweat smells the better genetically matched you are.

[garys_2k]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian


The nicer peoples sweat smells the better genetically matched you are.
You wouldn't have a cite or reference for that, would you?

[Interesting Ian]

Just had a thought. Hope this doesn't count for farts as well, otherwise I'll never find a genetic match! LOL

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by garys_2k

You wouldn't have a cite or reference for that, would you?

No sorry. It was mentioned in this TV programme I watched a few months back in the UK. Anyone else see the programme?

[Soubrette]

I remember seeing that too Ian - and no - I can't remember which programme it was either:(

Just that as Ian said - if you smell good to each other then you're a better genetic match :)

Sou

[BillyJoe]

A long time ago I was attracted to a fellow student because of her smell.
One day I asked her what perfume she wore and she said she didn't wear perfume.

I realize now I was infatuated by her sweat. :cool:

[garys_2k]

Originally posted by Soubrette
I remember seeing that too Ian - and no - I can't remember which programme it was either:(

Just that as Ian said - if you smell good to each other then you're a better genetic match :)

Sou
I wonder how they defined "better match." Normally, we all have the same numbers of chromosomes...

[kourama]

Semi-related:

This might be purely in my mind, but I could swear that I could smell a difference in my partners' breath when they were aroused.

Anyone else?

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by kourama
Semi-related:

This might be purely in my mind, but I could swear that I could smell a difference in my partners' breath when they were aroused.

Anyone else?

OK, I'll take the easy joke,


I don't know, I didn't smell your partners breath.


But, on a serious note, I notice that I am more consious of my wife's breath when we are arroused, but I always figured that was due to closeness rather than body chemistry.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Soubrette
I remember seeing that too Ian - and no - I can't remember which programme it was either:(

Just that as Ian said - if you smell good to each other then you're a better genetic match :)

Sou

That women may be attracted to and enjoy the smell (as my significant other does) because they may be genetically "geared" to respond to a potential mates smell in intriguing.

I think why some men may smell badly is because there are different types of sweat. Physical exertion sweat(by adult males) is not too unpleasant. Unfortunately bacteria like the living conditions of certain parts of the body where sweat gets trapped. Apparantly it is bacteria that release foul smelling toxins.

There is "stress sweat", and that resembles uraic acid. It smells similiar to urine. Young, immature animals urinate when they get frightened (stressed) and it is thought that urinating may be a defensive mechanism in this case. The uraic acid in stress persperation of humans may have served a similiar purpose for human's at one time. Perhaps human urine or "stress sweat" was unpleasant to the noses of would be predators.

I would like to know if there may be a similiarity between the smell of a woman's mate and the smell of a significant/important male from her child hood. If so, then the genetic compatibility may have some merit as the mate's smell may communicate that he is genetically similiar.

Perhaps unrelated to this topic: Pheremone's play a large part in the choosing of mates for many organisms, but I am not up to speed on whether pheremones affect human beings in similiar ways. Are pheremones released when we sweat? when we are aroused? When we are stressed?

It is my understanding that human olfactory nerves, as they are located in our noggin, do not play as large a part in gathering information about our environment as for other mamalian species. If that is the case, human's may not be all that sensitive to pheremone's. Any money spent on spam claiming the opposite sex will flock to you if you wear their love/pherimone potion is money wasted.


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"All you need is love" - The Beatles

or a really good smelling guy or doll. PPG:cool:

[garys_2k]

Again I have to ask: How do you define "genetic compatability?"

If good smelling sweat implies that you'll get along with the person better, I'm not buying it. Twin studies show that only about half of personality traits are reflected in our DNA, and these are very complex, multi-dimensional issues. Introvert/extrovert, compulsive/impulsive, thrifty/big spender. Lots of big things that define what we may find compatible or otherwise in a mate.

Just HOW are these subtle details, and combinations, supposed ot be reflected in aroma? How many "dimensions" of smell are there, and still have it basically smell like sweat? How good are our noses at detecting these subtle differences?

I'm not buying it unless someone can show controlled studies and identify the chemical compounds we're talking about. Call me a "skeptic," but this sounds full of hooey!

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by garys_2k
Again I have to ask: How do you define "genetic compatability?"

If good smelling sweat implies that you'll get along with the person better, I'm not buying it. ..... Call me a "skeptic," but this sounds full of hooey!


A good question to ask, but I am not informed enough to define genetic compatibility. I would not know where to begin. I guess the trouble is that the term exists, but it does not necessarily follow that it has been defined.

Your questions about smell are good as well. You are right about the studies. These thought may help keep the discussion in perspective.

It seemed to me that people were responding to the article and sharing "what they have heard or remembered". A week approach with little to support, agreed. I don't think anyone claimed anything, and were just speculating.

As you pointed out about the chromosomes. Human's can mate with human's. Perhaps that is the limited of the term "genetic compatibility", and it can include nothing beyond that.

Perhaps we need to ask other questions too.

Genetic compatibility to what end? To produce healthy offspring, which is generally the ultimate reason why most vertebrates mate?

Blood type and and rh factors as far as I know can not be determined in any way using our 5 senses, we must use medical tools and blood work tests. It would be greatly advantageous to organisms to know if they are compatible on these levels if such items matter for the survival of offspring. I doubt human's can determine by smell these factors.

I doubt too that pheremones affect our behaviour, therefore the spam/pherimone comment.

I can't recall any one stating that poeple will "get along better". Do you mean behaviourily? I have friends that have great exciting sex but they fight all the time when they are not doing the deed. Physical attraction and great sex are not enough to keep two people together. I doubt smells would help keep the two together either.

It may be that we can have no further meaningful discussion until the ambiguous term is defined. Studies would be helpful too.

Thanks for helping to keep us in perspective garys

regards
PPG :cool:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by garys_2k

Could it be administered orally?

That is the recommended method. :D

[Denise]

Maybe we are talking about genetic similarity vs genetic compatibility?

[BME]

there appears to be some influence of genetic factors; mhc is also involved in ecognizing self and non self stuff inside the body (and to make a distinction between healthy and diseased cells (virus/cancer) ; im not really into immunology though.
additionally: pheromones are effective, also in humans, via some strange little organ up one's nose (forgot the name)
cheers Bart

btw, it has been reported that women who ingest semen during pregnancy are less susceptible to ecclapsia (im not a physician, so i dont know waht that is but sound bad news)



Genetica 1998-99;104(3):275-83 Related Articles, Links


Molecular forms of soluble HLA in body fluids: potential determinants of body odor cues.

Wobst B, Zavazava N, Luszyk D, Lange K, Ussat S, Eggert F, Ferstl R, Muller-Ruchholtz W.

Institute of Immunology, University of Kiel, Germany.

The major histocompatibility complex (MHC) has been linked to encoding for individual olfactory identity. Experiments in mice and rats proved that behavior and mating were, at least in part, determined by genes within the MHC. This study was aimed at investigating whether sHLA are excreted in human urine, saliva and sweat. In particular examination of the molecular forms in these fluids would give clues to whether break down forms of soluble MHC molecules might participate in shaping behavior. Major bands of 45, 40, and 23 kD were detectable. Increased levels of sHLA were measured using a quantitative ELISA in urine shortly before ovulation decreasing to normal levels thereafter. In animal models strain specific MHC-linked odor cues have been detected in urine. Thus, excretion of sHLA in urine might indicate a similar role for these molecules in humans.


J Reprod Immunol 2000 Mar;46(2):155-66 Related Articles, Links


Correlation between oral sex and a low incidence of preeclampsia: a role for soluble HLA in seminal fluid?

Koelman CA, Coumans AB, Nijman HW, Doxiadis II, Dekker GA, Claas FH.

Department of Immunohematology and Blood Bank, Leiden University Medical Centre, PO Box 9600, 2300 RC, Leiden, The Netherlands.

The involvement of immune mechanisms in the aetiology of preeclampsia is often suggested. Normal pregnancy is thought to be associated with a state of tolerance to the foreign antigens of the fetus, whereas in preeclamptic women this immunological tolerance might be hampered. The present study shows that oral sex and swallowing sperm is correlated with a diminished occurrence of preeclampsia which fits in the existing idea that a paternal factor is involved in the occurrence of preeclampsia. Because pregnancy has many similarities with transplantation, we hypothesize that induction of allogeneic tolerance to the paternal HLA molecules of the fetus may be crucial. Recent data suggest that exposure, and especially oral exposure to soluble HLA (sHLA) or HLA derived peptides can lead to transplantation tolerance. Similarly, sHLA antigens, that are present in the seminal plasma, might cause tolerance in the mother to paternal antigens. In order to test whether this indeed may be the case, we investigated whether sHLA antigens are present in seminal plasma. Using a specific ELISA we detected sHLA class I molecules in seminal plasma. The level varied between individuals and was related to the level in plasma. Further studies showed that these sHLA class I molecules included classical HLA class I alleles, such as sHLA-A2, -B7, -B51, -B35 and sHLA-A9. Preliminary data show lower levels of sHLA in seminal plasma in the preeclampsia group, although not significantly different from the control group. An extension of the present study is necessary to verify this hypothesis.
:D :)

[Megalodon]

Originally posted by BME
Correlation between oral sex and a low incidence of preeclampsia: a role for soluble HLA in seminal fluid?


It makes sense that oral sex should reduce the incidence of preeclampsia... speacially if you don't go beyond oral sex :)

[BillyJoe]

Originally posted by BME
.....ecclapsia (im not a physician, so i dont know waht that is but sound bad news)If you asked Ed the Doc he would say something like this (although I'm not sure how much medicine he actually knows :( )....

Pre-eclampsia: High blood pressure +/- fliud retention +/- protein in the urine during pregnancy.
Eclampsia: severe pre-eclampsia leading to convulsions with threat to the lives of both mother and baby.

Yes, it can be bad news.

[AtheistArchon]

- Genetics probably does have at least something to do with the way people smell when they sweat, along with several other factors that we can't ignore:

1. Diet. In Korea, I've noticed people smell different overall. They eat differently. A few people I worked with I could smell all the way across the room.

2. Bathing habits. None of us can deny that a guy who hasn't showered in ten days is going to stink.

3. Soap. Another poster said something about a girl who smelled good and he thought it was perfume, but it turns out it was her body. Well, perhaps, but then again girls tend to bathe with lots of frilly, soapy, smell-good stuff that interacts with their body chemistry and stays on them most of the day. It's probably this he was smelling.

- One thing I certainly noticed was when I started going to the gym. They have a sauna there, and I'd warm up in the sauna before or after working out. You take a quick, cool shower, and then jump in the hot sauna for about 7-10 mins. The idea is to get a good sweat going, and this cycles water through your pores, cleaning them out. It works! And as a side item, you feel pretty damn clean after a good full-body sweat in the sauna and a shower. It's hard to describe. Anyway, I'd cut the lawn that weekend, and broke a sweat doing that, but didn't smell bad at all. It was a "clean sweat".

[a fantoche de meia]

Originally posted by AtheistArchon

1. Diet. In Korea, I've noticed people smell different overall. They eat differently. A few people I worked with I could smell all the way across the room.
The Japanese sometimes refer to Koreans as "Garlic Eaters".

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


funnily enough, that's what my wife says. i don't use deodorant.

I have a colleague that she has used exactly this argument to persuade her husband not to use a deodorant.

As she says, this is a way to keep other women away from him...

[BillyJoe]

Originally posted by AtheistArchon
3. Soap. Another poster said something about a girl who smelled good and he thought it was perfume, but it turns out it was her body. Well, perhaps, but then again girls tend to bathe with lots of frilly, soapy, smell-good stuff that interacts with their body chemistry and stays on them most of the day. It's probably this he was smelling. That was me.

It was not soap.
It was her body and it smelled real good.
How do I know?....
It also tasted real good.

:cool:

[Always Free]

Did you marry her?:)

[BillyJoe]

It was a really sad story, AF.
Let me just remember the good bits.

[Always Free]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
It was a really sad story, AF.
Let me just remember the good bits.

Come on Billy, whisper it to me.:(

[BillyJoe]

I didn't marry that girl but, like yourself, my wife enjoys a really sad story also.
Well it might sound like fun from a distance but it really isn't much fun close up let me tell you.

You don't really want to hear it do you, AF? :(

[Alaric]

I am SOOOOO damned glad someone else heard the same thing about semen injested orally during pregnancy. Not the ive been using this line to pick up prego women-but it sounds so retarded that ive been ashamed to say it.
Some friends of mine just had a baby(ill assume it was the female friend) and that was what her doctor told her to do. Oral Sex. I had forgotten what the reason was so that never helped my case.

The fact that male sweat and the like effects women so seems pretty reasonable. Nature would do a lot to get us addicted to our mates. Ive never really reacted to smell to be honest but have found your general fitness/health level does change the nature of your sweat which is probably why women react. My girlfriend loves the smell of me(to my intense discomfort) while I have never really cared either way as far as her scent. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say it probably effects women more then men. I know I look for visual ques for readiness..willingness...health and strength but I cannot see myself affected in any great way.


Although...why the hell does perfume exist? Perhaps to cover up unhealthy smells we males CAN pick up?



-------EDIT. Ok. Just got "talked too" by my lady. Apparently my comments did not put me in good stead. I mean that her scent is recognizable but I dont think its effecting my body on the same biological level.

What im hoping is that the above will let me back into the big bed.


My two cents.

So THAT'S why my wife sleeps with some of my shirts when I'm gone. :D

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

I feel the need to give everyone the female perspective on this stuff (well my perspective anyway)
Idea #1
This "study" suggests that in order for a woman to be happy, she may very well require a man to be near by, and, well sweating. News flash here, women are happy without men!
Idea #2
Our nice friends the journalists have a tendency to report what will sell. It's shocking I know, but the news we hear is not always accurate.
Idea #3 (which isn't really an idea, more of a suggestion)
I do see the humor in this though, so please do not feel the need to get deffensive.

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
I do see the humor in this though, so please do not feel the need to get deffensive.

Put your nose right here.:D

[DanishDynamite]

prettygirlsmakegrave:News flash here, women are happy without men!Women who are fine without men are like men who are fine without women: evolutionary deadends.

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
I feel the need to give everyone the female perspective on this stuff (well my perspective anyway)
Idea #1
This "study" suggests that in order for a woman to be happy, she may very well require a man to be near by, and, well sweating. News flash here, women are happy without men!


I didn't get that from the study, I just thought it was saying the some scent in male sweat improves women's moods. Nobody suggested any requirement for happiness.

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

I didn't get that from the study, I just thought it was saying the some scent in male sweat improves women's moods. Nobody suggested any requirement for happiness.

Happiness seems to be something sought after! Sure there are the few people who are content in being unhappy but what about those whose want happiness and now start to believe that a man will lead to their happiness. Am I wrong in thinking that this study was really male driven, maybe even driven by their nether-regions?

[neutrino_cannon]

no doubt, men have no free will, all their actions being dictated by the irresistable urge of their... sweat glands.

[Always Free]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
I didn't marry that girl but, like yourself, my wife enjoys a really sad story also.
Well it might sound like fun from a distance but it really isn't much fun close up let me tell you.

You don't really want to hear it do you, AF? :(

Yeah, of course I do.

She is still in your thoughts sometimes. Left an impression on you.

[BillyJoe]

Originally posted by Alaric
...why the hell does perfume exist? That's what the hell I'd like to know....

I love the smell of a freshly washed female body.
Why women want to cover it with perfume I don't understand.
Why men like it is completely beyond me.

[Always Free]

[i]Originally posted by BillyJoe
I love the smell of a freshly washed female body.[/B][/QUOTE]
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How long do you think that will last?:eek:

[BillyJoe]

She had obviously seen me a few times before without me noticing but, on this occasion, I sensed her she watching me as I entered the room. I looked over at her and when our eyes met she smiled. A beautiful, friendly and relaxed smile that I just barely acknowledged before passing on. I guess, at that time and in that place, I wasn't expecting to meet the woman of my future dreams.

I didn't see her again for a while but at times I would remember that smile. I realized that there was a purpose to her smile and I felt flattered that such a pretty, sexy looking girl was trying to establish contact with me. I was a bit more prepared the next time we met. It happened in the same room. Probably because I'd been going back there pretty often hoping to find her there again.

If I had any doubt about it the first time, I didn't now. She was trying to communicate with me through her smile - happy and bright and perhaps a liitle urgent this time. She was telling me it had been much too long since we last met and she was not going to let this second opportunity pass. Her lips moved to say something but, at that very moment, an old friend from my school days called from across the room.

My eyes flicked across to him and then quickly back to her just in time to see her longing smile slowly fading into a look of sad disappointment. I looked back at my old friend who came over to engage me in conversation. Later he was to become a psychiatrist but, on that day, I could have taught him a thing or two about human nature. I spoke to him only once after that but he was by then well and truly ensconced in his ivory tower.

It was even longer again until the next time we met. By now I was concentrating on studying for my exams and she had become an unreachable, painfully delicious memory. At night, lying in my bed, I would think of her. I would imagine myself holding her pretty little head in my hands, hissing her softly on the lips and hugging her body gently close to mine. Okay, I had some darker thoughts as well but, hell, I was a young male with hormones coursing through my veins.....


[S**t this is a long story, SF, and I am no storyteller. Do you really want me to go on?]

[Always Free]

[S**t this is a long story, SF, and I am no storyteller. Do you really want me to go on?]


__________________

On the contrary, I think you are quite the story teller;)

Don't you dare stop now!!

You were saying----"Okay, I had some darker thoughts as well but, hell, I was a young male with hormones coursing through my veins....."

[BillyJoe]

Goodnight, AF.
It must be past your bedtime.
See you in the morning......

[LillyThePink]

I'm happy when my honey is sweating because it usually means he's working hard. This makes me very happy, especially if it's DIY - or in the bedroom.

;)

[Always Free]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
Goodnight, AF.
It must be past your bedtime.
See you in the morning......

Well, I never-----hurumpff!!

GN BJ:(

[Q-Source]

BillyJoe,

I was reading with great interest your story.

Please continue :)

[BillyJoe]

[I'm not really sure that I should proceed with my little story but here is part two at least....]

We were actually doing the same course and the reason we'd never met until our last year was that there were more than three hundred students enrolled in the course and small groups were frequently rotated to other institutions to gain practical experience. As luck would have it, towards the end of the middle trimester of our final year, we were both rotated for the first time to the same institution. Also, smaller subgroups rotated as live-in students and it just so happened that both of us were scheduled to live-in at the same time - the last two weeks of the trimester....

The details of life on campus are now a distant memory but our nightly meetings remain as fresh to me now as they were all those years ago. You need to realize that, despite being in our early twenties, neither of us had had any serious relationship before - we were both, as it were, totally and completely inexperienced. Moreover, we were both painfully shy in the presence of the opposite sex. Things, therefore, progressed very slowly for us. We had for a time a deliciously painful string of experiences - hesitant pauses followed by moments of boldness; excitement followed by periods of embarrassment; periods of feeling relaxed and comfortable followed by periods of heart-racing high-anxiety....

We spent all our evenings together. Sometimes she would be speaking to me but I would be only half listening. I would watch her mouth move as she spoke, watch her lips open and close, watch her white teeth appearing now and then between her lips and catch an occasional glimpse of her tongue. I would look into her sparkling eyes and swim in their cool blue depths. I would watch her changes of expression as she spoke to me in that slow relaxed way of hers. I watched as a wisp of black hair brushed against her cheek, watched as she brushed it back with her hand. In short, I fell hopelessly in love with her.

We were into the second of our two weeks together when I finally.... touched her! Yes, incredibly, we had never made any actual physical contact up to that point. She was speaking to me in her slow relaxed way as she always did and, on an impulse, I bought my hand up and lightly touched her cheek. She blushed and her speech slowed, faltered and stopped. Tears welled up in her eyes and I leaned over and kissed her lightly on the lips. We held each other close, silently, feeling our bodies close together. I lost myself in the sweet perfume that arose from her body and that I'd sometimes caught a hint of as she sat down beside me.......

[Always Free]

Oh come on BJ what Mills and Boon book are you copying this 'story' of yours out of?:rolleyes:

[BillyJoe]

You don't like Mills and Boon???

S**t, and I thought you were going to be easy. :(

[Always Free]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
You don't like Mills and Boon???

S**t, and I thought you were going to be easy. :(

Easy in some things, not so easy in others;)

Now try and be truthful to me from now on, okay?:cool:

[BillyJoe]

AF (since I still do not know your real name),

I've received a "1st warning" from Hal regarding the use of a "cuss word" (I wonder how many warnings before I'm out)

It was for using the harmless, little four-letter-word equivalent of faeces.
I guess he'll be serving up Holy Communion soon.

Anyway, you see my problem don't you, AF.
I'm forced to use a Mills and Boon interpretation of my real life in order to be allowed to communicate it though this forum.
Hal would have rendered the real version unreadable.

regards.
BillyJoe

[Always Free]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
AF (since I still do not know your real name),

I guess he'll be serving up Holy Communion soon.

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BJ, are you sure you couldn't use a little Holy C?

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Anyway, you see my problem don't you, AF.
I'm forced to use a Mills and Boon interpretation of my real life in order to be allowed to communicate it though this forum.
Hal would have rendered the real version unreadable.

regards.
BillyJoe

I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew. If you were going to give me the uncensored/XXX version of your failed love affair, I don't know if I could have taken that---knowing you;)

Hal is just looking out for meek and mild ladies like me who don't like cuss words. And I appreciate him for that.;)
I, myself don't swear except when I'm driving in my car and am surrounded by dick heads driving all around me!! I don't know how some people get their licences???

Can't you just make a long story short??

[BillyJoe]

Originally posted by Always Free
BJ, are you sure you couldn't use a little Holy C? Depends on what the 'C' stands for. :D

Originally posted by Always Free
I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew. If you were going to give me the uncensored/XXX version of your failed love affair.... There was no XXX involved in my failed love affair. (except in my imagination - and I blame that on my hormones :cool: ).

Originally posted by Always Free
....I don't know if I could have taken that--
Hmmmm......seems like you're trying to say that you're a nice girl :)

Originally posted by Always Free
---knowing you;) Well. maybe you don't know me.
You know what they say about people with inferiority complexes. :o

Originally posted by Always Free
Hal is just looking out for [?protecting] meek and mild ladies like me who don't like cuss words. And I appreciate him for that. ;) No, he's just got it in for me. :(

Originally posted by Always Free
I, myself don't swear except when I'm driving in my car and am surrounded by dick heads driving all around me!! I don't know how some people get their licences??? Phew, you worried me there for a moment - "don't like cuss words", good one, Alfie.
And you think Hal is looking out for you (okay, I know you were joking) - just watch him censor your "dick heads". :D

Originally posted by Always Free
Can't you just make a long story short?? You don't like foreplay??? :(

regards,
BillyJoe
[really hoping he has not misread you and caused offence]