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BillHoyt
30th June 2004, 04:31 AM
This thread is meant to be a diary of an ongoing investigation. One skeptic, who is told some very scary things by a friend. The friend had attended a series of seminars on security and terrorism. I'll call them "Brave New World." These were professional seminars, but clearly with an agenda to push the attendees to self-protective action. Did this agenda distort the facts? Was truth twisted to make a case?

This will be the story of one skeptic's journey to separate fact from fiction.

Day 1: A friend returns from a professional seminar. I'll call it "Brave New World." Topics all revolved around the issues of how to keep towns, cities, companies and all their people safe from security threats. One particular workshop, however, frightened the pimikens out of her. It was lead by an epidemiologist from Texas. I'll call him "Tex"

"Tex" talked about bioterrorism and the future threats about diseases and coming epidemics. According to my friend, Tex said:

o West Nile virus was going to become a significant North American threat

o SARS is incubating in both Canada and the U.S. Northwest, and will soon cause epidemics with high mortality rates.

o Fortunately, flu vaccination will prevent SARS deaths, though not SARS infection.

o Bubonic plague can be carried by squirrels, many of whom are infected now. It can be passed by squirrel bites. The threat of bubonic plague will soon increase in both U.S. cities and small towns.


These are some of the claims I remember from our conversation. I had no idea what to make of them, but I offered her a cross-check with some of my contacts. She offered to send me copies of the Tex handouts.


Day 2: I get the copies of the Tex handouts. I now have his name, position and credentials. There is every reason to trust Tex so far, because his background seems suited to the material he was discussing.

Now I need to go through the printed claims, one by one, and sort them out from both my untrustworthy recollections of what she told me and her untrustworthy recollections of what Tex said. I'm at a disadvantage here, because I don't have a recording of what Tex said, just his handouts. So I have to go by what Tex wrote. Fair enough, though, because now I'm working with first-hand Tex material. The next step is to speak with one of my contacts at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). He's an epidemiologist.

BillHoyt
1st July 2004, 06:57 PM
Day 3: I finally get a chance to pore over the files sent me. There are over a dozen. I get to the one for the Tex presentation and find out he isn't a university professor, as was described. On my first pass, I skim the material which, fortunately, isn't in PowerPoint form. It is actually in paper form. It pretty much matches my recollection of my conversation with my friend so far.

BillHoyt
2nd July 2004, 06:13 AM
Day 4: I've had to wince twice today already. My friend came over to tell me she thought Tex might be on to something when he talked about SARS lurking in the population. (I still haven't confirmed what he actually wrote about that part.) She said she's noticed several people in her office who are now using inhalers. She said something seemed to be spreading quickly in her office.

I nodded and winced inside. I hate it when I have to be silent on these things, but I am usually silent when confronted by bad reasoning. When I feel comfortable, I sometimes will speak up. Gently, at first. I hate it, though, when I decide to return to silence, rather than getting into it. I am complicit then. When I nod, I feel like I am tacitly agreeing.

I have to take the time now to bone up on what Tex actually wrote about SARS, and then get over to CDC and WHO to check up on it.

T'ai Chi
2nd July 2004, 08:49 AM
Interesting.

Quasi
3rd July 2004, 03:04 AM
Just remember, SARS can be identified, and in the "big" outbreak not many people died compared to say, the 1918 influenza outbreak. Second, West Nile is spreading, however again we know where it lurks and take appropriate action such as spraying for mosquitoes, and also again, most victims do not die, and those who do are generally the elderly who cannot fight off the infection as well, not that this is a good thing, but it is not some catastrophic disaster by any means. Finally, bubonic plague kills what, one or two people a year? The biggest threats to public health right now is miseducation, i.e. wasting time and money on quack devices, therapies and diets. This also transfers over to the political arena where the current regme is allowing a total HIV holocaust to go virtually unchecked in Africa via a silly abstinence only program. Totally insane.

T'ai Chi
3rd July 2004, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Quasi

The biggest threats to public health right now is miseducation, i.e. wasting time and money on quack devices, therapies and diets.


Do you have any statistics to back that up? I'd believe the largest threat to health is heart disease or something.

Keneke
6th July 2004, 07:47 AM
Nice topic, but why is this in the moderated thread board?