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jargon buster
2nd April 2013, 04:25 AM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233060
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/16/50-shades-of-grey-pedophilia-hiding-in-plain-sight-letter-from-a-reader/
I think that says a lot more about the reader rather than the author.

Lenbrazil
2nd April 2013, 05:15 AM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233060
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/16/50-shades-of-grey-pedophilia-hiding-in-plain-sight-letter-from-a-reader/
I think that says a lot more about the reader rather than the author.

That was way too long for my interest level but in my skimming I failed to find any direct quotes from the book. At best the 'reader' made a case the girl was too innocent and immature for 21, but I imagine in kookbot fashion s/he focused only on parts that fit her (?) thesis.

Lenbrazil
2nd April 2013, 05:23 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/50_shades_of_grey_trilogy_normalizing_child_sex_ab use.html

http://www.change.org/petitions/walmart-stop-selling-child-porn-by-pulling-50-shades-of-grey-from-your-shelves

The Palmernator
2nd April 2013, 05:26 AM
According to the David Icke forum, the book was:

Probably written by the wife of a Mason, or who had masonic connections/cabala/pagan and on it goes it the same energy all connected.... in my opinion...yeah they are pedophiles. They track you and your children and your family andf it never seems to end the depths they will stoop to.

No point asking for evidence, or proof or anything like that...

threadworm
2nd April 2013, 06:20 AM
There is a case for it being morally dubious, given that the first book's general thrust (ahem) is an experienced older man manipulating a much younger woman into doing what he likes and not what she likes.

By book 3 it gets turned around and she changes him. I am informed by a colleague whose copy, or something, is well thumbed, that it is much more dull by the end. Welcome to married life dear.

Lenbrazil
2nd April 2013, 06:20 AM
Kooks can be hilariously unintentionally ironic. One with the handle "libertyeternalon the Icke forum wrote:

"The UK must Raise the Age of Consent to 18 Years of Age Press
For other Countries to do so and Crackdown upon Innocence Destruction
and Advocates of Innocence Destruction

Any Indecent Material Advocating " Legalisation " of Innocence Destruction
must be Banned From Entering the UK

So 'Liberty Eternal On' is against free speech and for raising the age of consent.

Elizabeth I
2nd April 2013, 06:48 AM
Fifty Shades of Grey is about the worst-written novel in recent history.

That's what it's about.

ehcks
2nd April 2013, 07:36 AM
It was an author self-insertion fanfic to the Twilight series which was itself an author self-insertion.

Neither author was writing about themselves as a child.

Myriad
2nd April 2013, 07:45 AM
Yeah, any book where an older and much more powerful male recruits (and ultimately impregnates) an innocent young virgin should be hidden in the back of the erotica section. :rolleyes:

Myron Proudfoot
2nd April 2013, 08:15 AM
This seems like a good place to add this. note, audio is most certainly not NSFW and LOUD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA

catsmate1
2nd April 2013, 09:26 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/50_shades_of_grey_trilogy_normalizing_child_sex_ab use.html
That article is utter crap. Unsupported claims and innuendo the like of which I haven't seen since the Shroud of Turin thread.

Fifty Shades of Grey is about the worst-written novel in recent history.

That's what it's about.
This is true. The book is crap, at least the little bit I've skimmed.

Yeah, any book where an older and much more powerful male recruits (and ultimately impregnates) an innocent young virgin should be hidden in the back of the erotica section. :rolleyes:
:D
Reprint Nine And a Half Weeks.

Akri
2nd April 2013, 09:47 AM
I've been following Jenny Trout's recaps (http://http://jennytrout.blogspot.com/p/jen-reads-50-shades-of-grey.html) and while there's no pedophilia, there are some rather creepy (and probably completely unintentional) implications. Things like Ana wanting to crawl into Christian's lap, her sucking her thumb while she sleeps, wearing pigtails (adult women do sometimes wear pigtails, but it's still generally seen as juvenile), etc. What makes it creepy is that a lot of time the passages referring to some juvenile trait of Ana's happen right alongside discussions of sex.

But like most of the creepy/messed up things in these books (the abuse, the view that BDSM is a sign of mental illness, the eating disorder issues) it's exists purely as an unfortunate implication.

Travis
2nd April 2013, 11:20 AM
Yeah, any book where an older and much more powerful male recruits (and ultimately impregnates) an innocent young virgin should be hidden in the back of the erotica section. :rolleyes:

That is one way to get rid of those pesky Bibles.

Brainster
5th April 2013, 11:15 AM
I wouldn't dismiss the theory entirely. It did bother me that the narrator (a college senior) was a virgin despite being (according to other characters) an attractive woman. Of course, that's actually one of the conventions of the romance genre; the woman is supposed to be inexperienced.

Another aspect of the initial story (I didn't feel tempted to read the sequels) that might lend credence to the theory is that her abuser was himself an underaged victim in an earlier relationship with a friend of his mother. Pedophile victims often become pedophiles themselves later (or so I have read). I don't know if "submissives" in earlier relationships become "dominants" in later ones.

Akri
5th April 2013, 02:22 PM
Another aspect of the initial story (I didn't feel tempted to read the sequels) that might lend credence to the theory is that her abuser was himself an underaged victim in an earlier relationship with a friend of his mother. Pedophile victims often become pedophiles themselves later (or so I have read).
That definitely adds to the perception that it's about pedophilia. But again, it's probably completely accidental. E.L. James isn't skilled enough to subtly hint at an alternative interpretation of her books.

I don't know if "submissives" in earlier relationships become "dominants" in later ones.
It can probably happen. More likely, though, is that the person is a switch (meaning they enjoy being both dominant and submissive).

fuelair
5th April 2013, 03:16 PM
Kooks can be hilariously unintentionally ironic. One with the handle "libertyeternalon the Icke forum wrote:

"The UK must Raise the Age of Consent to 18 Years of Age Press
For other Countries to do so and Crackdown upon Innocence Destruction
and Advocates of Innocence Destruction

Any Indecent Material Advocating " Legalisation " of Innocence Destruction
must be Banned From Entering the UK

So 'Liberty Eternal On' is against free speech and for raising the age of consent.

That would not be a first for this kind of people....

fuelair
5th April 2013, 03:17 PM
That article is utter crap. Unsupported claims and innuendo the like of which I haven't seen since the Shroud of Turin thread.


This is true. The book is crap, at least the little bit I've skimmed.


:D
Reprint Nine And a Half Weeks. Yep. But it is nice some people remember this has been a hot topic before.

Travis
5th April 2013, 04:49 PM
I wouldn't dismiss the theory entirely. It did bother me that the narrator (a college senior) was a virgin despite being (according to other characters) an attractive woman. Of course, that's actually one of the conventions of the romance genre; the woman is supposed to be inexperienced.

Another aspect of the initial story (I didn't feel tempted to read the sequels) that might lend credence to the theory is that her abuser was himself an underaged victim in an earlier relationship with a friend of his mother. Pedophile victims often become pedophiles themselves later (or so I have read). I don't know if "submissives" in earlier relationships become "dominants" in later ones.

Is there a requirement that an attractive person not be a virgin?

Akri
5th April 2013, 04:59 PM
Is there a requirement that an attractive person not be a virgin?
She's not just a virgin, she's has zero sexual experience (and very few experiences in general) before meeting Chedward. That includes autonomous experience. And if her constant use of phrases like "down there" is any indication, she doesn't even understand the basic anatomy involved.

Ts4EVER
5th April 2013, 05:06 PM
I should totally write a book and publish it. If these idiots can do it, I can too.

Elizabeth I
5th April 2013, 05:15 PM
I should totally write a book and publish it. If these idiots can do it, I can too.

If you can write mommy porn you should have a bestseller.

Akri
5th April 2013, 05:21 PM
If you can write mommy porn you should have a bestseller.
That's part of what confuses me about the success of 50 Shades--it barely qualifies as porn. Imagine a porn movie that's 80% bad plot, and for the remaining 20% all the naughty bits are pixelated and the camera's out of focus. Sure if there's nothing else available you might go for it, but otherwise?

Ts4EVER
5th April 2013, 05:27 PM
That's part of what confuses me about the success of 50 Shades--it barely qualifies as porn. Imagine a porn movie that's 80% bad plot, and for the remaining 20% all the naughty bits are pixelated and the camera's out of focus. Sure if there's nothing else available you might go for it, but otherwise?

It's porn for people who have sex in the dark through a hole in the sheet while Jesus watches from a crucifix on the wall.

Akri
5th April 2013, 05:29 PM
It's porn for people who have sex in the dark through a hole in the sheet while Jesus watches from a crucifix on the wall.

And who fantasize about dark, emotionally damaged men they can fix through the power of sex.

Ts4EVER
5th April 2013, 06:07 PM
And who fantasize about dark, emotionally damaged men they can fix through the power of sex.


That bodes well for the success of my Eva Braun biography.

yodaluver28
5th April 2013, 08:06 PM
She's not just a virgin, she's has zero sexual experience (and very few experiences in general) before meeting Chedward. That includes autonomous experience. And if her constant use of phrases like "down there" is any indication, she doesn't even understand the basic anatomy involved.

Precisely. Her being a virgin at 21 didn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fact that she'd never touched herself, allegedly never felt sexually attracted to anyone before meeting the Grey character, and constantly referred to her vagina as "down there" or "my sex" and his penis as "his length". Her thought processes were indeed those of a pre-teen girl, although I don't think that was the writer's intention. This whole thing started as crappy Twilight fan fiction, which is itself extremely adolescent.

Elizabeth I
5th April 2013, 09:05 PM
That's part of what confuses me about the success of 50 Shades--it barely qualifies as porn. Imagine a porn movie that's 80% bad plot, and for the remaining 20% all the naughty bits are pixelated and the camera's out of focus. Sure if there's nothing else available you might go for it, but otherwise?

Like I said, mommy porn. Sex that's not your "fault" (because you were seduced/forced [whichever fits the plot]) and has all the messy stuff filtered out.

fuelair
6th April 2013, 12:12 AM
That bodes well for the success of my Eva Braun biography.

Oh yeah!!!:D:D:D:D:D:jaw-dropp

Grassy Knowlington
6th April 2013, 02:39 AM
That bodes well for the success of my Eva Braun biography.

That would be the potential blockbuster "50 Shades of Brown"?

Horatius
6th April 2013, 04:05 AM
That would be the potential blockbuster "50 Shades of Brown"?



Do you even want to know how they'll misinterpret that title?

Ts4EVER
6th April 2013, 05:51 AM
That would be the potential blockbuster "50 Shades of Brown"?

I was going for "Bunking in the Bunker" but yours is better.

Tsukasa Buddha
6th April 2013, 06:31 AM
Precisely. Her being a virgin at 21 didn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fact that she'd never touched herself, allegedly never felt sexually attracted to anyone before meeting the Grey character, and constantly referred to her vagina as "down there" or "my sex" and his penis as "his length". Her thought processes were indeed those of a pre-teen girl, although I don't think that was the writer's intention. This whole thing started as crappy Twilight fan fiction, which is itself extremely adolescent.

I think this is all a problem with the standard messed up values in pseudo-Victorian bodice-rippers, and not about pedophilia or anything like that. It is unintentionally hilarious as well.

Christian's relationship with Mrs. Robinson, on the other hand... I have no idea what the author was going for there.

The pigtails bit mentioned in the OP did pop out at me when reading the book. She put her hair in (UK-style) pigtails to try to look innocent and ward off Christian after they've just had sex. It doesn't work.

Myriad
6th April 2013, 07:30 AM
Is there a detailed map somewhere to what was going on in the original Twilight-fan-fiction version?

Assuming Christian Grey was a sparkly vampire in the fanfic, then Mrs. Robinson could be the vampire that turned him. That particular sub-plot would make more sense that way.

I saw a completely different reason for the pigtail scenes. The series is about bringing kinky sex into a vanilla lifestyle (subverting ten thousand boilerplate "how I became a sex slave" narratives from BDSM erotica in the process). I'm pretty sure I've read that holding or tying up bound or braided hair is, in real life, the most common form of erotic bondage. More so than e.g. wrist binding with a necktie or bathrobe belt. So, if the author were looking for overlap with readers' actual experiences, an "I've done that so maybe I could try some of this other stuff" reaction, it makes sense to include it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

catsmate1
6th April 2013, 08:52 AM
Do you even want to know how they'll misinterpret that title?
:D That was my first reaction. I must get my mind out of the sewer.

Aaargh. That was not intentional.

I saw a completely different reason for the pigtail scenes. The series is about bringing kinky sex into a vanilla lifestyle (subverting ten thousand boilerplate "how I became a sex slave" narratives from BDSM erotica in the process). I'm pretty sure I've read that holding or tying up bound or braided hair is, in real life, the most common form of erotic bondage. More so than e.g. wrist binding with a necktie or bathrobe belt. So, if the author were looking for overlap with readers' actual experiences, an "I've done that so maybe I could try some of this other stuff" reaction, it makes sense to include it.
Hmm, the hair thing isn't part of my experience within the BDSM community. Holding someone's hair, as a grasping point, is fairly common.

Travis
6th April 2013, 01:21 PM
She's not just a virgin, she's has zero sexual experience (and very few experiences in general) before meeting Chedward. That includes autonomous experience. And if her constant use of phrases like "down there" is any indication, she doesn't even understand the basic anatomy involved.

Okay, I knew some college senior virgins (myself included obviously) but they all took care of themselves.

Not even masturbating is like weird. I mean not if she genuinely never had interest in sex but the plot of the books seems to indicate she does.

Precisely. Her being a virgin at 21 didn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fact that she'd never touched herself, allegedly never felt sexually attracted to anyone before meeting the Grey character, and constantly referred to her vagina as "down there" or "my sex" and his penis as "his length". Her thought processes were indeed those of a pre-teen girl, although I don't think that was the writer's intention. This whole thing started as crappy Twilight fan fiction, which is itself extremely adolescent.

:boxedin: All right, was this girl home schooled? I mean how do you get to that age and not know what to call things?

jargon buster
6th April 2013, 02:56 PM
The book is a work of fiction.


Carry on. :rolleyes:

Myriad
6th April 2013, 03:17 PM
Hmm, the hair thing isn't part of my experience within the BDSM community. Holding someone's hair, as a grasping point, is fairly common.


Yeah, it was the latter I was mostly thinking about. So common it's not even specifically associated with BDSM, but it is technically a form of restraint.

(Actually tying hair to something, or attaching or tying something to hair, is rather difficult, even if the hair is braided. So that's mostly seen at the opposite end of the spectrum as far as I know.)

All right, was this girl home schooled? I mean how do you get to that age and not know what to call things?


I think people are reading (literally) way too much into this. It's not The Blue Lagoon "I don't know what that's called" sexual ignorance being depicted. It's simply an authorial issue of word choice, and very common not only in the genre but in nearly all current fiction genres. She refers to the parts and what's being done with or to them, but usually chooses not to use the anatomical names. Be glad she doesn't use "vajayjay."

Respectfully,
Myriad

catsmate1
6th April 2013, 03:36 PM
Yeah, it was the latter I was mostly thinking about. So common it's not even specifically associated with BDSM, but it is technically a form of restraint.

(Actually tying hair to something, or attaching or tying something to hair, is rather difficult, even if the hair is braided. So that's mostly seen at the opposite end of the spectrum as far as I know.)

A gotcha now. Yep hair grabbing is pretty common, especially in conjunction with verbal dominance; my SO is quite fond of it.
Actual hair bondage is uncommon.

Mudcat
9th April 2013, 02:17 AM
Fifty Shades of Grey is about the worst-written novel in recent history.

That's what it's about.

Had to Google, sounds like the plot to this (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=22343)* manga.

*The plot summary is better than the actual manga, trust me.

Myron Proudfoot
9th April 2013, 06:06 AM
Speaking of shade of bondage...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/know_your_vines.png

catsmate1
10th April 2013, 04:22 AM
Speaking of shade of bondage...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/know_your_vines.png
:D

Arcade22
10th April 2013, 08:18 AM
[...] older man [...] younger woman [...]

Well considering the way the word pedophilia is commonly used that ought to be enough evidence for the book to be about pedophilia.

Akri
10th April 2013, 08:27 AM
Speaking of shade of bondage...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/know_your_vines.png
OK, I would forgive E.L. James for all of her literary sins if she had included a scene where that happens :D Those characters deserve it.

Dash80
11th April 2013, 02:40 AM
After suffering through the Twilight books to see what all the fuss was about, I didn't think a worse series of books was possible. 50 shades is even worse!

The relationship between Christian and Mrs. Robinson happened when he was underage but it still can't beat Twilight for pedo-creepiness.

Twilight has teenage werewolves falling in love with infants!

Horatius
11th April 2013, 04:31 AM
Twilight has teenage werewolves falling in love with infants!



Wait - seriously? Did that make it into the movies?!?

Mudcat
11th April 2013, 06:14 AM
Wait - seriously? Did that make it into the movies?!?

You know how badly Fantards get when anything is changed. :rolleyes:

Dash80
11th April 2013, 06:14 AM
Wait - seriously? Did that make it into the movies?!?

Yup, It did. Breaking Dawn has a scene with the werewolf making raep-faces at the baby and imagining what she'll be like when she grows up and he can get into her panties. Gross.

Dash80
11th April 2013, 06:18 AM
Seriously:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XPr8JfC87g0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXPr8JfC87g0