Begging the Question

[Iacchus]

Boy, to suggest there's an even greater force than evolution at play, that's just too much to handle isn't it? Of course most people may not be aware of it, but there is a Sun in Heaven (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39). And, the only reason why sun worship is not acceptable, is because it involves worshipping God in a material sense, rather than in the spiritual sense, in which case it becomes a form idolatry.

[Zep]

Is desperate and tortured word-play the only argument you are positing here? Or is there a point...

[RabbiSatan]

More drivel.

:s2:

For someone who claims to not to care that people don't believe what you believe, you sure are hung up that people don't take you seriously.

[BillHoyt]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Boy, to suggest there's an even greater force than evolution at play, that's just too much to handle isn't it? Of course most people may not be aware of it, but there is a Sun in Heaven (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39). And, the only reason why sun worship is not acceptable, is because it involves worshipping God in a material sense, rather than in the spiritual sense, in which case it becomes a form idolatry.
:dl:

[wittgenst3in]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And, the only reason why sun worship is not acceptable, is because it involves worshipping God in a material sense, rather than in the spiritual sense, in which case it becomes a form idolatry.

Praying to a material god ---- Idolatry
Praying to an invisible god --- Fine.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Boy, to suggest there's an even greater force than evolution at play, that's just too much to handle isn't it?

Be careful, Iacchus, you may burn yourself on that fire.

Of course most people may not be aware of it, but there is a Sun in Heaven (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39). And, the only reason why sun worship is not acceptable, is because it involves worshipping God in a material sense, rather than in the spiritual sense, in which case it becomes a form idolatry.

There are many stars (each a sun) in the heavens. What if each of them were a god. A great chorus of gods, all singing, but you cannot hear the words.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RabbiSatan

More drivel.

:s2:

For someone who claims to not to care that people don't believe what you believe, you sure are hung up that people don't take you seriously. Well, shiver me timbers! Har har har! :D Hey I don't know anything, what are you talking to me for?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf

There are many stars (each a sun) in the heavens. What if each of them were a god. A great chorus of gods, all singing, but you cannot hear the words. Do you know what gravity is, and how it affects the center of our origin? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Zep

Is desperate and tortured word-play the only argument you are positing here? Or is there a point... Some of us enjoy being tortured more than others no doubt ...

[brian0918]

http://www.fishing-catalog.com/SOSProd/trolling.jpg

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Do you know what gravity is, and how it affects the center of our origin? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

[Iacchus]

And what exactly does this have to do with anything? Why don't you stick to playing your video games.

[Dymanic]

Originally posted by Iacchus

Boy, to suggest there's an even greater force than evolution at play, that's just too much to handle isn't it? Your presumption that scientific inquiry is biased toward comfortable conclusions is grossly inaccurate. From the linked article in the OP of this (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=43056) thread:

"Personal self satisfaction is the death of the scientist. Collective self satisfaction is the death of the research. It is restlessness, anxiety, dissatisfaction, agony of mind that nourish science."

[evildave]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Boy, to suggest there's an even greater force than evolution at play, that's just too much to handle isn't it?

YOU ARE RIGHT

(Cue radio noises, woo-woo-music)

The Illuminati are at work, backed by the Alien Mind Control Setellites, and they're causing mutations in life forms even as we speak! All for the purposes of their (possibly) sinister experiments.

(Cut sound effects with record-scratching noise....)

We can stack any imaginary thing we like on top of what's observable to guess "why", and it's equally valid as slapping a "god" hypothesis on top of it.

It's like sayin' "A four-cycle gasoline internal cumbustion engine has five stages: Intake, compression, combustion, exhaust... and a supernatural being waves its magical fairy wand!"

[brian0918]

http://www.christithomas.com/images/troll.jpg

[brian0918]

http://www.columbian.com/outerlimits/troll.jpg

[Dancing David]

I don't know how Swedenborg could know about the sun in heaven, because he is just assuming there is a correspondence. Do they have highways and checkout lanes in heaven?

As for the aerth being the center of the universe, there is the visible horizon issue, we can not see all that there is in the universe(shock and amazement) so we don't actualy know if the we are at the center or not.

In an expanding universe, all points appear to be at the center of the expansion.

[wittgenst3in]

Originally posted by Dancing David
I don't know how Swedenborg could know about the sun in heaven, because he is just assuming there is a correspondence. Do they have highways and checkout lanes in heaven?

No need for highways. They have steamrollers:

From: http://www.angryflower.com/bobdie.gif
http://www.angryflower.com/bobdie.gif

Originally posted by Dancing David

As for the aerth being the center of the universe, there is the visible horizon issue, we can not see all that there is in the universe(shock and amazement) so we don't actualy know if the we are at the center or not.

In an expanding universe, all points appear to be at the center of the expansion.
Yeah, I don't see how there is any evidence that we inhabit a 'privileged position' in the cosmos.

[Iacchus]

http://www.dionysus.org/images/540bc.jpg (http://www.dionysus.org)

The Advent of Dionysus (http://www.dionysus.org) - A book with specific insight into the mysteries of this ancient myth, both its psychological ramifications and, modern day recurrence.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by wittgenst3in

Yeah, I don't see how there is any evidence that we inhabit a 'privileged position' in the cosmos. Completely taken out of context of course. Nonetheless you're here aren't you?

Don't you feel that's privilege enough? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

[wittgenst3in]

http://www.kcrproducts.com/pages/hardware/images/Wrench.JPG

Wrench (http://www.kcrproducts.com/pages/hardware/images/Wrench.JPG) -- a device working on the lever principle which allows amplification of force to be applied to a desired component, for the purpose of inserting or removing it.

And the point to your above link is Iacchus?

[wittgenst3in]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Completely taken out of context of course. Nonetheless you're here aren't you?

Don't you feel that's privilege enough? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

If the Universe is endless, then we must be in its center.

Yes Iaccus. Remember that you are unique and special. Just like everyone else.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by evildave

YOU ARE RIGHT

(Cue radio noises, woo-woo-music)

The Illuminati are at work, backed by the Alien Mind Control Setellites, and they're causing mutations in life forms even as we speak! All for the purposes of their (possibly) sinister experiments.

(Cut sound effects with record-scratching noise....)

We can stack any imaginary thing we like on top of what's observable to guess "why", and it's equally valid as slapping a "god" hypothesis on top of it.

It's like sayin' "A four-cycle gasoline internal cumbustion engine has five stages: Intake, compression, combustion, exhaust... and a supernatural being waves its magical fairy wand!" What you're referring to here is sensationalism. Unfotunately this is the only alternative to your concrete jungle that you and yours could possibly ever understand. This is why it's starting to get awfully loud around here lately.

TO DROWN OUT THE QUIETNESS!!!

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by wittgenst3in

Yes Iaccus. Remember that you are unique and special. Just like everyone else. And if you suspended a drop of water out in space it would be perfectly round. Why is that? Could it be because everything is concentric and in its center? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

http://www.dionysus.org/images/540bc.jpg (http://www.dionysus.org)

The Advent of Dionysus (http://www.dionysus.org) - A book with specific insight into the mysteries of this ancient myth, both its psychological ramifications and, modern day recurrence.

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Iacchus
What you're referring to here is sensationalism. Unfotunately this is the only alternative to your concrete jungle that you and yours could possibly ever understand. This is why it's starting to get awfully loud around here lately.

TO DROWN OUT THE QUIETNESS!!!

Ix nay aud Clay?

[Iacchus]

Spam spam spam spam spam spam ... What you be spammin' me boy?

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Spam spam spam spam spam spam ... What you spammin' me boy?

Just adopting the same technique that you use when debating.

You see, you simply do not understand what I am saying - mabye because God does not want you to understand? Or that you are possibly just a figment of my imagination and are here for purposes of my entertainment?

Btw...

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RabbiSatan

You see, you simply do not understand what I am saying - mabye because God does not want you to understand? Or that you are possibly just a figment of my imagination and are here for purposes of my entertainment?

Btw... Yes, that's basically how it works. Understanding is not something that should be forced on anybody. Or, out of anybody for that matter. Would you have us go back to the days of the Spanish Iquisition?

It's okay to program robots this way, but not people. ;) Otherwise we all lose our sense of uniqueness. This is the problem with Science by the way, it doesn't value the fact that each and everything is unique. In fact that's the only thing that makes life what it is, that it's unique. So, why do you insist on trampling on the uniqueness of others? Perhaps because somebody robbed you of yours? Well, join the human race.

[thaiboxerken]

Yes, that's basically how it works. Understanding is not something that should be forced on anybody. Or, out of anybody for that matter. Would you have us go back to the days of the Spanish Iquisition?

No one is trying to force you to understand how the univere operates, we're simply disputing your insane ideas. You spout an awful lot of stories, lies and nonsense, so many feel it's only right to point it out. Spanish Inquisition is something that christians are responsible for.

It's okay to program robots this way, but not people. ;) Otherwise we all lose our sense of uniqueness. This is the problem with Science by the way, it doesn't value the fact that each and everything is unique.

This is complete and utter BS. Science merely observes what is real, if you aren't unique, then that is the fault of reality, not science. On, and you really are not unique. You are just another idiot believer, like Ian or Lucianarchy; just a stain in the underwear of humanity.

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, that's basically how it works. Understanding is not something that should be forced on anybody. Or, out of anybody for that matter. Would you have us go back to the days of the Spanish Iquisition?

It's okay to program robots this way, but not people. ;) Otherwise we all lose our sense of uniqueness. This is the problem with Science by the way, it doesn't value the fact that each and everything is unique. In fact that's the only thing that makes life what it is, that it's unique. So, why do you insist on trampling on the uniqueness of others? Perhaps because somebody robbed you of yours? Well, join the human race.

Dear figment of my imagination...

[Iacchus]

Your problem is obvious, you can't conceive of anything beyond your physical senses. Which leaves you stuck in your physical sense of reality. Don't you realize that the mind transcends the physical aspect of the brain and, that this is in fact why you have a spirit, or a soul?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken

No one is trying to force you to understand how the univere operates, we're simply disputing your insane ideas. You spout an awful lot of stories, lies and nonsense, so many feel it's only right to point it out.You have no idea.


Spanish Inquisition is something that christians are responsible for.No, the Spanish Inquisition is something that people are responsible for. The word "Christian" is merely the label we put on some of the people that do this.


This is complete and utter BS. Science merely observes what is real, if you aren't unique, then that is the fault of reality, not science. On, and you really are not unique. You are just another idiot believer, like Ian or Lucianarchy; just a stain in the underwear of humanity. Science is merely concerned with the cold and calculating facts, not the spirit of uniqueness which burns inside all of us.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Do you know what gravity is, and how it affects the center of our origin? (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61)

Gravity is a subject of some weight, my friend!

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf

Gravity is a subject of some weight, my friend! Absolutely! :D

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Absolutely! :D

No, relatively (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity).

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Piscivore

No, relatively (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity). However, are you referring to "no" in the relative sense here? Either way, it would be absolute wouldn't it? ;)

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Iacchus
However, are you referring to "no" in the relative sense here? Either way, it would be absolute wouldn't it? ;)

I meant, "No, gravity is relative, not absolute."

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And if you suspended a drop of water out in space it would be perfectly round.

No, it would not be perfectly round. It would be fairly round since the forces of gravity that acted on it(*) would be small compared to the internal forces of molecular cohesion, but it wouldn't be a perfect sphere.

(*) And acted on it assymetrically, I might add.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Leif Roar

No, it would not be perfectly round. It would be fairly round since the forces of gravity that acted on it(*) would be small compared to the internal forces of molecular cohesion, but it wouldn't be a perfect sphere.

(*) And acted on it assymetrically, I might add. Nonetheless, it still suggests everything revolves around its own axis.

[Iacchus]

Excerpt from Joseph Campbell's, The Power of Myth ...


The vision of Black Elk ...

He says, "I saw myself on the central mountain of the world, the highest place, and I had a vision because I was seeing in the sacred manner of the world." And the sacred central mountain was Harney Peak in South Dakota. And then he says, "But the central mountain is everywhere."

That is a real mythological realization. It distinguishes between the local cult image, Harney Peak, and its connotation as the center of the world. The center of the world is the axis mundi, the central point, the pole around which all revolves. The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Movement is time, but stillness is eternity. Realizing how this moment of your life is actually a moment of eternity, and experiencing the eternal aspect of what you're doing in the temporal experience -- this is the mythological experience.

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Nonetheless, it still suggests everything revolves around its own axis.

Eh, no, it doesn't.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Leif Roar

Eh, no, it doesn't. Would it not be fair to say that the table which rests over there exists within the center of what it is? That would be the very least we could say, otherwise it wouldn't exist would it? It has to have its standpoint from what it is, right?

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Would it not be fair to say that the table which rests over there exists within the center of what it is?

No, not without making the word "center" meaningless.

It seems to me that you don't even know what you mean with "center", so how can anyone say that your statements make sense, much less that they're right? They're just meaningless.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Leif Roar

No, not without making the word "center" meaningless.

It seems to me that you don't even know what you mean with "center", so how can anyone say that your statements make sense, much less that they're right? They're just meaningless. Meaningless? What else isn't? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43063)

[Radrook]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Excerpt from Joseph Campbell's, The Power of Myth ...




That's a great book.
I took the course and highly recommend it.
Cambel's insights into the sources of myths are a very important contributions to our present knowledge of culture and its influence on the individual.

The relevance of myth to our present modern world is also thorougly explained.