Is he or not?

[Cleopatra]

I have heard on the radio, an hour, ago that 51% of the American general public believes that Saddam is connected to Al-Qaeda and 9/11.

But then, when I got home, I remembered this statement of President Bush and I was kinda shocked!


http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

51% of Americans don't believe to what the President says?

[Doctor X]

Damn . . . thought this was a thread on whether or not I am the most [Pompous--Ed.] erudite [Pedantic--Ed.] yet humble [Pretentious.--Ed.] poster. . . .

Anyways, the Great Unwashed can believe whatever they want. "Large percentages" still do not think Sadaam has WMD.

IF the Administration could hint at a link to 9/11 they would have responded militarily just after Afghanistan. While I am sure many have looked real hard, since Bush and Powell have not stood up and made the charge--as they did with the Taliban--I do not think the evidence exists for it.

Nevertheless, the fear does exist that Hussein may make some connections out of a "enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend" mentality.

--J.D.

[Cleopatra]

The great unwashed?!!! searches for the emoticon with the lifted eyebrow...

Is this how you call the American citizens that support their President to this War?

Interesting... Let me take this down...

[hammegk]

Originally posted by Cleopatra

Is this how you call the American citizens that support their President to this War?



I think he was referring to several of our "ex-allies". :rolleyes:

PS. How's your asp?

[rikzilla]

I believe this link (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/Iraqpolitics020926.html) was a slip of the tongue by the Bush admin early on. I believe there has been classified evidence since before 9/11 that Iraq and al Qaida have been working together on terror operations.

I posted this earlier on another thread:


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Originally posted by athon
Of all the arguments for war, only one retains some logic.

Terrorism - No matter how you spin it, this is a separate topic. There is no evidence of a link between a major terrorist organisation and the present Iraqi regime. If you want to use this excuse, why not target Saudi Arabia?

This is not a terrorist war.


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Well....let's us just see;

1993 The first bombing of the WTC. Mastermind was Ramzi Yusef. This man has been traced back to Iraq's Mukhabarrat intelligence agency by Laurie Mylroie an ex-Clinton admin Iraq expert.

Ramzi Yusef was then nearly captured in the Phillipines while he was working with Abu Sayyef terrorists on a plan to bomb 11 US airliners on the same day. (Abu Sayyef is affiliated with al Qaida)

He was captured in Peshawar (Pakistani Baluchistan). There is only one terrorist still at large in the world today that has been indicted in the first WTC bombing. He lives openly in Baghdad, supported by Saddam. (I forget his name, but it's in Mylroie's book)

Recently Khalid Sheik Muhammed was captured in the Pakistani Baluchistan region. He is Ramzi Yusef's uncle. He is also the #3 man in al Qaida's chain of command.

I invite you to connect ze dots at your leisure.

Before 9/11 the US suffered a major terrorist attack from al Qaida 5 times in 5 years. Since 9/11 and the active pursuit of al Qaida we have suffered this many major terrorist attacks by al Qaida. Zero. Al Qaida has only been able to pull one major attack (Bali) and those guys have been captured.

Matter of fact...al Qaida has been seriously dismantled since 9/11, and if they are saving themselves up for a major push against the US upon our attack of Iraq,...if the past is any guide... any success they achieve will be met by further pursuit and a further distruction of their network.

IMHO, 9/11 was too much of a success for them. Had they kept it down to overseas embassies and warships with losses of life in the hundreds, not thousands...they'd still be at it and there'd be no WOT. They were too clever by half. They started the WOT on 9/11,...it's a war they can't possibly win.

Once Baghdad falls we'll likely find out alot from the captured files of Muhabarrat. Which will lead to further exposure of worldwide terror networks. Therefore, my opinion is that even if the attack on Iraq sparks terrorism, it will be al Qaida's last gasp. Already they've been unable to mount any major attacks on the US...and everyday they lose more operatives to arrest. The WOT has indeed already resulted in less terrorism. The war on Iraq cannot fail to have the same result.

-zilla


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A Review of Mylroie's Book:
An Eye-Opening Book, July 23, 2002
Reviewer: Alan Miller (see more about me) from Charlotte, NC
I first read this book in the aftermath of September 11th. Those who argue against a US invasion of Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein should read "Study of Revenge" first. Written well over a year or so before 9-11, its author makes a compelling argument that Saddam Hussein was the mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, virtually every terrorist event orchestrated against the United States since that time, and that his influence and direction is the real power behind the Al-Qaeda terrorist network - not Bin Laden.

For anyone interested in Tom Clancy, spy novels, or books on espoinage, this is a great read. Laurie Mylroie illustrates the phases of the original WTC bombing plot, the arrival of two mysterious men (who she proves were agents of the Iraqi intelligence), and the elaborate construction of the bomb itself. She talks about the components of the bomb which included a hydrogen cyanide solution the bombers hoped would create a giant poison gas cloud to rise up through the towers and kill everyone. Had their plot worked, over a 100,000 people would have died, and 9-11 would have come eight years earlier in the first months of the Clinton administration. The transition of power would have left America is a more vunerable state than we find ourselves today.

In addition, Mylroie examines the Al-Qaeda network and its dwindling influence prior to the Iraqi defeat in the 1991 Gulf War. She posits that Saddam Hussein is providing training, money, and intelligence to Bin Laden in order to exact revenge on America. Bin Laden gets the glory he craves, and Saddam gets the revenge he craves without incurring the wrath of the world at large. She points out that Iraq and Al-Qaeda's interests conveniently intersect at key points, such as the demand US troops leave the Holy Land. Bin Laden wants infidels out of the land of Mecca. Saddam wants the Saudi oil fields unguarded so he can move in and take them.

After reading this, you will find yourself waiting impatiently for George Bush to send troops into Iraq, for our sake and for the sake of the oppressed Iraqi people...

[aerocontrols]

Also remember: Just because Bin Laden doesn't want to work with Hussein doesn't mean that Hussein doesn't want to work with Bin Laden (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,314700,00.html).

How desparate will Al Qaeda have to get before they accept one of Hussein's (repeated) offers?

If Bin Laden dies? (May have occured already)

If there is a splinter group that forms?

Remember this: When even the Taliban was considering kicking Bin Laden out, Saddam Hussein was welcoming him with open arms.

MattJ

[BillyTK]

Originally not posted by rikzilla
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A Review of Mylroie's Book:
An Eye-Opening Book, July 23, 2002

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In addition, Mylroie examines the Al-Qaeda network and its dwindling influence prior to the Iraqi defeat in the 1991 Gulf War. She posits that George Bush provided training, money, and intelligence to Bin Laden in order to exact revenge on Iraq. Bin Laden gets the glory he craves, and Saddam gets to incur the wrath of the world at large. She points out that US and Al-Qaeda's interests conveniently intersect at key points, such as the demand that Saddam leaves Iraq. Bin Laden wants blasphemers and infidels out of Iraq. Bush wants the Iraqi oil fields unguarded so he can move in and take them.


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[rikzilla]

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