Modern day David

[Bentspoon]

I am sorry I have not been able to find an article but I heard it on the news last night.

Some teenager is spending 10 days in jail for vandalism.

It seems he lived in the neighborhood of the Virgin Mary sprinkler stain on the side of that building. He has been very frustrated by the traffic and the people for the last couple of years. I can imagine that this kind of thing can make life misrable for those in the neighborhood.

He decided to use his sling shot and the Virgin came down. No more miracle. It seems that Gods miracle was brought down by modern day David.

Interesting twist.

Anyone else hear of it.

Bentspoon

[Radrook]

Me! Me! I heard of it ! I heard of it just now when you told me!
Didn't unerstan any of it but I heard of it! Does that count? Am I a doctor now?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Hadn't heard of it until now, but here (http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/11/Tampabay/Teen_held_in_Virgin_M.shtml)'s your link.

[Doctor X]

I can only hope Radrook obtains some help during his "time off."

Seriously.

--J.D.

[The Cats Venm]

It would have been funnier if he had just washed the window.

Vandalism isn't good even if the target is a hollow meaningless religion idol.


But if one reads the article, it says that he didn't do it because of the religious side anyway. Just to get some attention.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Radrook
Me! Me! I heard of it ! I heard of it just now when you told me!
Didn't unerstan any of it but I heard of it! Does that count? Am I a doctor now?

No, buddy; the doctors are the ones in the white coats- you know, the sad looking men and women who look at you, then at papers on a clipboard, then at you again, shaking their heads and clucking thier tounges.

:p

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by The Cats Venm
Vandalism isn't good even if the target is a hollow meaningless religion idol.

There was a kid 30-some years ago that set fire to the church I used to attend. I was too young at the time to understand what his issues were, but his story always intrigued me. Never did find out why.

[Bentspoon]

yeah it is vandalism and he will pay for it.

Appropriate

However, this is a little much:

But Jose Pombo II, who was there to light a candle Monday, had punishment in mind.

"If he's 18, he's an adult. For this kid not to know, at the age of 18, what this represents is inexcusable," Pombo said. "I think he should serve a very long time. It's desecrating a holy place. That's like going to Lourdes in France and desecrating it

Ridiculous!!

It was a stain!!

Bentspoon

Can somebody tell me what the doctor thing was all about ?!?!?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Bentspoon
Can somebody tell me what the doctor thing was all about ?!?!?

Radrook became unhinged yesterday, swearing and casting wide aspersions. Now he's just engaging in babbling lunacy. When he's not trying to goad me (and others) into acting in kind towards him.

[Kitty Chan]

A lot of issues as they say

From the little Ive seen about foster kids yeah I will bet hes angry, but even if Im mad at the slow car in front of me I still cant run them off the road.

I think punishment should be creative in these matters. I think there should be some big time counselling with follow up and responsibility enforced. To toss him into jail will just enforce his ideas and probably get worse. Its probably hard for him to value something when he probably feels no one has valued him.

As for the folk that are going to miss their Mary on glass they are entitled to be upset at the loss. But they need to remember (from a biblical viewpoint) Jesus said Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away. In other words things can be destroyed like the window, it may be a interesting thing to see but its not whats truly important.

Whats truly important is that boys life and how ALL involved treat it.

[thaiboxerken]

What?!

This kid should pay the consequences for vandalism, and that's it, nothing more.

If he was smart, he would've just cleaned the window, then he wouldn't be in trouble and solved his problem.

For christians to push harder punishment simply because they believed there to be a miracle in the glass is just wrong.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
What?!

This kid should pay the consequences for vandalism, and that's it, nothing more.

If he was smart, he would've just cleaned the window, then he wouldn't be in trouble and solved his problem.

For christians to push harder punishment simply because they believed there to be a miracle in the glass is just wrong.
I don't read what Kitty wrote as pushing for harder punishment. It seems to be a call for rehabilitation to adjust the kid to become a decent member of society. If such is called for in this case, or if Kitty's recommendations would even bring about the desired end is certainly open to debate. I see no reason to read more religious vindication into her post than she put there, however.

[Piscivore]

What he said.

If this was truly a "miracle", can these Christians explain why their god can't just put the image back on the window?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Piscivore
What he said.

If this was truly a "miracle", can these Christians explain why their god can't just put the image back on the window?
Duh. The kid broke the window, man. Where's God supposed to put the image now? :D

[The Cats Venm]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas

Duh. The kid broke the window, man. Where's God supposed to put the image now? :D

Well, they didn't just leave a gaping hole in the wall.

Or was the previous glass special somehow? Blessed?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas

Duh. The kid broke the window, man. Where's God supposed to put the image now? :D

An omnipotent god should be able to reconstruct the window. That'd show us heathens!

Originally posted by The Cats Venm

Or was the previous glass special somehow? Blessed?

Who wants to give odds that the fragments will show up on eBay?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Piscivore
An omnipotent god should be able to reconstruct the window. That'd show us heathens!

Goal-post shifter!
edited because the edit button just looked like it wanted to be touched

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by The Cats Venm


Well, they didn't just leave a gaping hole in the wall.

Or was the previous glass special somehow? Blessed?
Once they get the new glass up, I'm sure God can get Mary to pose for a redo, but she's really busy burning her face into tortillas, so be patient.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas

I don't read what Kitty wrote as pushing for harder punishment. It seems to be a call for rehabilitation to adjust the kid to become a decent member of society. If such is called for in this case, or if Kitty's recommendations would even bring about the desired end is certainly open to debate. I see no reason to read more religious vindication into her post than she put there, however.

Thank you for understanding where I was going with it, the kids life is more important than the window.

Any religious push I may have would be directed to the people of the church to remember they are not worshiping a window its supposed to be God. That may not matter to most here but heres a wonderful example of what a "true" christian should be doing (it was brought up on another thread) They should do that which would honor God, show the boy he has value over a window.

(btw my jury in my mind is still out on these apparations, if it isnt already obvious)

[Blue Monk]

Let God deal with the sacrilege.

Let the courts deal with the vandalism.

Ten days seems fair. I’ll bet that glass cost a lot.

Luckily stupidity is not illegal because I’m pretty sure worshipping a water stain would get you three days in the electric chair.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan


Thank you for understanding where I was going with it, the kids life is more important than the window.

Any religious push I may have would be directed to the people of the church to remember they are not worshiping a window its supposed to be God. That may not matter to most here but heres a wonderful example of what a "true" christian should be doing (it was brought up on another thread) They should do that which would honor God, show the boy he has value over a window.

(btw my jury in my mind is still out on these apparations, if it isnt already obvious)

That attitude is a breath of fresh air after yesterday's... unpleasantness. If there were more Christians like you, Kitty, I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it. Thanks.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan

Any religious push I may have would be directed to the people of the church to remember they are not worshiping a window its supposed to be God. That may not matter to most here but heres a wonderful example of what a "true" christian should be doing (it was brought up on another thread) They should do that which would honor God, show the boy he has value over a window.Of course this is merely an example of idolatry anyway.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan


Thank you for understanding where I was going with it, the kids life is more important than the window.

Any religious push I may have would be directed to the people of the church to remember they are not worshiping a window its supposed to be God. That may not matter to most here but heres a wonderful example of what a "true" christian should be doing (it was brought up on another thread) They should do that which would honor God, show the boy he has value over a window.

(btw my jury in my mind is still out on these apparations, if it isnt already obvious)
I'll echo Piscivore's sentiment above. I try to believe the best I can about anyone (if you're reading this, Cap'n, yes, that means you, too :D) and not get mired down in choosing up sides.

And I think a true anyone worth knowing would try to show the boy his value over a window.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Piscivore


That attitude is a breath of fresh air after yesterday's... unpleasantness. If there were more Christians like you, Kitty, I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it. Thanks.

Thank you I am really trying to think things through lately , it isnt always easy.

Iacchaus

yes it is but Im trying to be gracious in the matter, I remember seeing one of these apparations featured on a tv show but not all could see it including me. Also, those statues that cry milk I think Randi showed how that was done. So all of it is filed in my HMMMM file awaiting more info.

[Gulliamo]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
Ten days seems fair. I’ll bet that glass cost a lot. Ten days! Holy Shiite! For a misdemeanor? I hope you are not a DA.

The only thing an 18 year old will learns in jail is new meth recipes.

[dmarker]

Originally posted by Piscivore


An omnipotent god should be able to reconstruct the window. That'd show us heathens!



Who wants to give odds that the fragments will show up on eBay?


An omnipotent god would have the missile just bounce right off the window.

And how many people are going to offer broken glass for sale? I feel a "wood of the cross" scam coming on. I saw a movie w/ Tony Danza where he sells slivers of the "True Cross" for five bucks a splinter. He obtained the splinters by carving his wooden chair with a pen knife. :D

And this movie was made while they were still using punch cards.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by dmarker

And how many people are going to offer broken glass for sale? I feel a "wood of the cross" scam coming on. I saw a movie w/ Tony Danza where he sells slivers of the "True Cross" for five bucks a splinter. He obtained the splinters by carving his wooden chair with a pen knife. :D

What was it PT Barnum said . . . ;)

[American]

It's sad, but God forgives him nonetheless. Jesus' love is infinite, even for the lowest "scum" just as much as you and me.

Pray for sinners. This is a young man who is obviously immature and needs Time-out and to be forgiven. I agree the judge was too harsh.

[dmarker]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan


What was it PT Barnum said . . . ;)

A sucker born every minute.

I had that experience when a former co-worker brought in this hazy xerox of a negative Jesus image. You stared at three dots for about a minute. When you turned from the paper you saw a Jesus as an image of light. She had paid around $50 for this crap and we were making around $6.50 an hour.

This is what was on the paper:

http://www.eyetricks.com/jesus.htm

[Kitty Chan]

dmarker

She paid $$ for that I was emailed that pic several times.

:(

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
dmarker

She paid $$ for that I was emailed that pic several times.

:(

No kidding. I hope she at least got a good lie with it, like it was "blessed" to heal her bunions or win her the lottery or something.

If that's a true story, that goes way past funny right into just sad.

[dmarker]

Originally posted by Piscivore


No kidding. I hope she at least got a good lie with it, like it was "blessed" to heal her bunions or win her the lottery or something.

If that's a true story, that goes way past funny right into just sad.

Yes, it's a true story. This was in the early 90's, pre-internet days.

I tried to explain that it was an optical illusion, but she didn't want to listen to me. :(

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by dmarker


Yes, it's a true story. This was in the early 90's, pre-internet days.

I tried to explain that it was an optical illusion, but she didn't want to listen to me. :(

That's too bad. When my current co-worker came to our office, she'd been there a week when she told me, in a scandalous whisper, the latest "fact" she'd heard- it was the rumour that KFC (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/kfc.htm) changed its name because the "headless genetic monstrosities" they were cooking couldn't be called "chicken" anymore.

Thankfully, she DID listen, and I've disabused her of many other such notions over the years.

She's still Catholic yet, though. ;)