More Hpathy nonsense: how few remedies do you need?

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

It's been said before, but here it is again, more evidence of just how narrow is the range of remedies used by homeopaths;

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1847

The same remedies (Nux Vom, Pulsatilla, Sulphur, Carcinosin) come up time and again.

This completely undermines their objections to some objective studies of hoeompathy as being insufficiently individualised. They don't individualise it themselves!

[Rolfe]

He is diagnosed with " Kerotosis Pilaris Rubra Facei " I think this KerAtosis (not kerOtosis) should be treated as Rosacea. It`s a rather common form this one.The colour of the affected parts is the most important symptom to prescribe on !Note the "allopathic" diagnosis again.

I was going to mention this in the hyperthyroidism thread. They really shouldn't be having any truck with this sort of classification of the disease. It should be a list of symptoms or a Carcinosen case or something like that.

But they just can't seem to operate even among themselves without using dem big words! Wim also chips in with snippets of basic and usually irrelevant biochemistry or physiology from time to time. Like the stuff in the hyperthyroidism thread where he explained what T₄ and T₃ were, then went on to get hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism hopelessly muddled.

I think it's a credibility thing, and an insecurity thing. If they played by their own woo rules, they'd be easily exposed as woos because they would so obviously be talking pseudomagic that only other woos would fall for it. They claim to despise real medicine, but they seem to have to pick up some of the language and the simpler facts so that they can present a convincingly medical face to the outside world. Which of course includes talking about things like "Kerotosis Pilaris Rubra Facei".

Of course, we all know that something like hyperthyroidism can look quite different clinically from one case to another. There's even a distinct subgroup of "apathetic hyperthyroidism" where the cat is actually subdued and listless, because it feels so bloody rotten it doesn't bother bouncing off the ceiling. This should make all the difference in the world to the homoeopath. It shouldn't really matter in fact what the diagnosis is, the main consideration ought to be the overt signs. But even though they do sometimes ask for the odd bit of background information, the case is always thought of primarily in terms of the medical diagnosis, and in there with the genus epidemicus most of the time. The identity of which is very often inextricably linked to the "allopathic" diagnosis, like the iodium for the hyperthyroid, or the ACTH for the Cushing's disease.

I can see why at least some of the professionally-qualified homoeopaths do this, because they've been trained to approach cases this way. But when the lay woo-woos do it, you really have to wonder.

Rolfe.

[Rolfe]

Why Nux ? I have absolutely no idea about it. I can administer it if you say so and we can hav the updates here.This from the actual "physician" who is actually treating the hapless patient.

What was that about homoeopaths always knowing exactly what they're doing and never experimenting on their patients and so on?

(O that was NHCoraHSarah, and we know about how much of the truth she ever tells.)

Rolfe.

[Pantastic]

It's clear evidence of how badly these people want to be doctors. I imagine them like children playing with dolls. Instead, they play with magic potions, calling each other 'doctor' and talking about their 'patients'. Sadly, where as a child with a doll can do no harm, these people can and do cause great harm.

Many of the lay public have great difficulty distinguishing between real doctors, and these quacks. Take Alphonse, who seems to believe that it is simply a case of a different approach, or philosophy, to healing. He is very sadly mistaken. If his cat dies, it will very likely be his fault. Not only will he have caused it's death, but he will have made its last days and weeks a time of suffering. This stems from arrogance. Rather than trust the views of vast numbers of experts in veterinary medicine with many decades experience and data to draw apon, he would rather trust his own unique, untested, unsubstantianted view on medicine. As a result, he has been tricked into joining a cult.

Unfortunately, homeopathy being a cult, outside influences are censored and only the word of The Master Hahnemann is allowed to be spoken. Speaking out of turn (ie. facts), is seen as 'causing trouble' and is quickly put down. Trying to rescue people from this cult is extremely difficult, because they don't respond to evidence. Whether it is a lack of good education or lack of mental ability, they reject the clear conclusions of properly conducted science - that homeopathy does not work. Modern medicine would happily make use of it if it worked, but it doesn't.

Take maggot therapy, this would easily fall into the category of 'alternative medicine' many years ago, but you know what? Good science showed that it worked for certain types of wound, so now it is used in the mainstream quite happily. There was no great doctor rebellion over 'medieval' maggot therapy. If it works, we use it, if it doesn't, we don't.

Homeopathy does not work. As a result it has been cast aside by real medicine and picked up by the hangers on, the alternative therapists who want to be doctors but don't have the ability, patience or dedication to do so. For them, these unregulated systems of medicine, rejected by science, are ideal. They can use them without any sort of training other than a mail order 'show' qualification and membership of some club which sounds impressive - United College of Woo Practitioners or something. In the UK we have the General Medical Council. To be a member you have to be a properly qualified doctor who is regularly reappraised and, most importantly, it is against the law to practice as a doctor unless you are a member - even if you have a medical degree, without GMC membership it is a crime to practice as a doctor. Woo medicine has no such restrictions. In addition, these rejected systems of medicine appeal to that strange breed of individual who rejects science and 'does not believe in it'. I once heard someone say that they 'did not believe in orthodox medicine'. Hard to think someone could be so self deluded, but they exist and are ideal prey to be conned out of their money by altmed practitioners.

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by Pantastic
It's clear evidence of how badly these people want to be doctors. I imagine them like children playing with dolls. Instead, they play with magic potions, calling each other 'doctor' and talking about their 'patients'. Sadly, where as a child with a doll can do no harm, these people can and do cause great harm.
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(Snipped to save space and it's not far above me)

You folks keep hitting that nail on the head like you have been, we're going to have a washer.

[TheFeds]

Well, look at Wim Pardaan's last post (http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1847&get=last#20981):
For 50 grams : 40 grams cremor lanette FNA and 10 grams Acidum Azealicum. Apply a thin layer once a day and rub in softly. Tell patient not to wash face with soap, but water only. This is very important ! This ointment is harmless and has no side effects and is to be used for longer periods. It seldom fails !That's not a homeopathic remedy. It's some sort of skin-whitening or acne-treatment cream. Wholly allopathic. Notice that the concentrations indicated are 4:1 by weight--this is not some sort of homeopathic dilution.


The "cremor lanette FNA" is some sort of stearyl alcohol-derived product, often used as a base for creams (sometimes made from coconut, apparently). From here (http://www.debra-international.org/kittz/material/onitspec.htm), it appears to be an inert base material:Lanette Cream FNA (Cremor lanette 1 FNA)

Lanette Ointment FNA (Unguentum lanette FNA)

Composition: The cream is hydrophillic, the ointment cannot be washed off with water. Can be used in the indifferent treatment of skin conditions. Ingredients include Lanette wax.

Property: Soothes and protects the affected skin.

Administration: Apply once to twice a day in a thin layer to the skin.

[...]

Vaseline Cetomacrogol Cream FNA (Cremor vaselini cetomacrogolis FNA)

Vaseline Lanette Cream FNA (Cremor vaselini lanette FNA)

Composition: These are hydrophillic creams that are used in the indifferent treatment of skin conditions. They are the more 'greasy' variants (also called grease creams) of the hydrophillic creams. They leave a hardly visible layer and can be washed off with water.

Property: Soothes and protects the skin. These indifferent creams and ointments are also used as a `vehicle cream or ointment' in which corticosteroids or antimicrobial preparations have been incorporated.

Administration: Apply in a thin layer to skin once or twice a day. The use of dressing material is not required.
And the "Acidum Azealicum" is (from here (http://dermnetnz.org/treatments/azelaic-acid.html)):Azelaic acid is used as a topical treatment for mild to moderate acne, and may be combined with oral antibiotics or hormonal therapy. It is useful for both comedonal acne and inflammatory acne.

Azelaic acid is:

Antibacterial - it reduces the growth of bacteria in the follicle (Proprionibacterium acnes and Staphylococcus epidermidis)
Keratolytic & comedolytic - it returns to normal the disordered growth of the skin cells lining the follicle
A scavenger of free radicals - i.e. it reduces inflammation.
Azelaic acid also helps reduce pigmentation, so it's particularly useful for darker skinned patients whose acne spots leave persistent brown marks or who have melasma.(I realize that "Azelaic" and "Azealic" are slightly different spellings--however a search with Google seems to indicate that both terms are equivalent. These are not different things.)

So when homeopathic remedies fail, Wim Pardaan prescribes something that a real dermatologist might consider, and disguises it as a homeopathic remedy.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by TheFeds
So when homeopathic remedies fail, Wim Pardaan prescribes something that a real dermatologist might consider, and disguises it as a homeopathic remedy. But he would rather persuade Alphonse to resign himself to Sarah's imminent demise (at the age of 15, compared to the boasted 18 and 20 that his daughter's cats have reached thanks to homoeopathy!), than concur that trying undisguised allopathy might possibly be worth a shot.

Rolfe.

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by Rolfe
But he would rather persuade Alphonse to resign himself to Sarah's imminent demise (at the age of 15, compared to the boasted 18 and 20 that his daughter's cats have reached thanks to homoeopathy!), than concur that trying undisguised allopathy might possibly be worth a shot.

Rolfe.

Because when you're doing medical treatment for a human, if you pull this quack stuff and the human dies, there are very serious legal repercussions.

To my knowledge, this is, in my view, a clear case of animal cruelty and immoral indifference, there are no legal repercussions for Wim to face.

Hmm maybe ImmoralHpathy as a hosting spot for these threads?

[Rolfe]

Wim the totally non-classical homoeopath again.

Ringworm in cats (http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1846&PN=1).

Here is the OP, from "kats2dolls".Help, anyone. I think my cats have ringworm. I recently adopted a cat and apparently she was a carrier. Now 4 - 5 weeks after I adopted her my cats are showing signs of ringworm.

What can I use to get rid of it and not hurt my cats?

How can I control it and will it continue to resurface from time to time?

I am very upset about this! I appreciate any suggestions. BBBad luck, BB, there's enough trouble in the world without adopting it. Now there are perfectly sensible approaches to this which will work. If you don't get really serious with this one though, you'll have it forever - and I mean you, it's a zoonosis. Alphonse's well-meaning suggestions about washing the bedding in bleach aren't going to do a lot, the fungus lives in the growing hair shaft.

Now, hark to our Wim:See Painful ear for answers for Ringworm (I gave them already some time ago !)OK, there is another thread around called "Painful ear", I didn't go to see. But that's not the point. Did BB post a single symptom? Did she say one single thing about the condition of any of her cats? Even whether they liked green wallpaper? :D

No, just that an indeterminate number of cats are "showing signs of ringworm". And Wim has an answer.

Can anyone on that entire forum even spell individualisation?

I'm resisting going to that thread and saying so, because he's already mad enough at me to kill me. And I'd rather see Alphonse get Sarah treated than score cheap points on Wim. But it's bloody tempting.

Rolfe.

[Lisa Simpson]

Painful Ear in kitty post--


http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1835&PN=1

Wim recommends Bacillinum 30c for the kitties' red and scratched ear. The vet said it was dermatitis. No individualization as far as I can see.